'Greys' ? ..

[Stookie]

The top people with the most attention and information on these topics always seem to be grasping at straws for evidence supporting there views. Check out this current Whitley Strieber article. Even though the story is completely made up and done as a joke, he still cites it as evidence:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=8316

This story is written as a joke, but we suspect that the sighting was real

It sounds like he just really really really wants to believe it even when it's a straight up joke. How can you take someone like that seriously? And then when he has real-deal info (?) it's gonna be the-boy-who-cried-wolf.

[missym]

When people use the term 'greys', are these beings that live in another dimension? Or just aliens in general?
Whatever it is I saw seems to want something from here. It's been seen many times over the past 2 weeks, same aircraft flying around my city, which doesn't seem to make much sense because I live in a huge city (not L.A. huge, but big) and it's flying so low, just above the houses.. Wouldn't you think they would know better?
Ryan, the photo you put up looks nearly identical to what I saw, however it was relatively small (maybe the size of 3 vans width-wise). It worries me why these things are flying so low and so slow.. are they looking for people? creepy.. And I'm sure calling upon the angels wouldn't help if these aliens were abducting me in the physical dimension lol
Haven't had time to check out the videos either, but I will as soon as I get the chance
I've heard stories about alien abduction, where people were brought to different dimensions for years at a time, but when they returned it had only been 3 minutes? And, conveniently, nobody had been with them at the time..
I personally don't believe most stories like these, however I'm sure not all of them are made up so.. 

[G01kur_Kisel]

whenever greys are mentioned they mean an alien species. You can read more about it here or on google, should be steaming with reports of the greys
http://aliens.monstrous.com/greys.htm
and yes it is presumed that they live in another dimension, presumably the 4th.

[zareste]

Apparently, the good Captain thinks I'm coherent enough.

Insightful, isn't it?

It's kinda odd. While CFT clearly doesn't believe the geocentric-life model, an awful lot of her forum does.

Or maybe it's just a very noisy minority. I still have some faith in this site

[Tiny]

When people use the term 'greys', are these beings that live in another dimension? Or just aliens in general?

You have to understand that they are as biological as anybody else. However they are very much using Astral Projection to operate on the astral level.
And I already explained that many of them have already died so they are bound to operate from the astral level.

worries me why these things are flying so low and so slow.. are they looking for people?

The triangles are not planes. They are presumably hover craft and they possess flight capabilities that are physically impossible for airplanes.
When they are looking for people, they are looking for people with special genetics that they mark and separate like wheat from chaff to be part of special corporate programmes.
Many psychics involuntarily work for them. Memory is usually erased after the sessions.

I've heard stories about alien abduction, where people were brought to different dimensions for years at a time, but when they returned it had only been 3 minutes? And, conveniently, nobody had been with them at the time..

This is because most abductions are astral abductions where the astral body is extruded from the victim and taken to an astral locale.
Time in the astral world is not sync with the physical.

I personally don't believe most stories like these

But then I'm sure you would believe hundreds of thousands of testimonies before court to serial murder cases that all happened in the same way?

Hundreds of years ago the people ridiculed all those claiming the Earth is actually round and that they have travelled across the globe without falling off an edge  .
Likewise the people of today are treating hollow earth researchers like that.
Ignorance has always been dramatically slowing down the process.


My god people, free your minds!



kind regards,

Paul

[Capt. Picard]

Serial murderers are usually convicted on physical evidence as well... Hollow earth? Don't buy it, it's been disproven too many times. Things like the NWO can be personally proven using verifiable evidence. Reptilians? Greys? Hollow earth? Its all based on conjecture, I just don't see the evidence.

[Xanth]

Insightful, isn't it?

It's kinda odd. While CFT clearly doesn't believe the geocentric-life model, an awful lot of her forum does.

Or maybe it's just a very noisy minority. I still have some faith in this site

It's always been the vocal minority that rule the world. 

~Ryan

[Xanth]

Serial murderers are usually convicted on physical evidence as well... Hollow earth? Don't buy it, it's been disproven too many times. Things like the NWO can be personally proven using verifiable evidence. Reptilians? Greys? Hollow earth? Its all based on conjecture, I just don't see the evidence.

Playing devils advocate for a second here...
If the NWO can be proven using verifiable evidence... why hasn't it yet?
Why are we still sitting here listening to people ramble on and on regarding this NWO if it's so easily proven?

~Ryan

[personalreality]

You have to connect dots and really pay attention xanth.

they spend a lot of time and money to make it hard to see, but its there.

western media keeps this stuff on lockdown.

[Xanth]

You have to connect dots and really pay attention xanth.

they spend a lot of time and money to make it hard to see, but its there.

But this is supposedly *easily* proven.
If I have to start connecting dots and pay REALLY close attention... that's not really easy then.

western media keeps this stuff on lockdown.

I know you realize this, but I'll point it out for others' sake.
That's a cop-out answer. 

~Ryan

[personalreality]

That's a cop-out answer. 

doesn't mean its not true

[Xanth]

doesn't mean its not true

Doesn't mean it is either.

[missym]

lol
I am surprised kurt hasn't said anything here, where is he these days ?

[Capt. Picard]

lol Xanth, the evidence is enormous, and the media is obviously controlled, all you have to do is turn on the news and point out the age old propaganda techniques, but you've decided this stuff isnt true without doing any research lol. It is verifiable, it is far from based on conjecture, but much of the NWO has already gone from conspiracy to common public fact over the past few years. You don't think NAFTA is planning a North American Union, you think the economic collapse was an accident? Did the bailout happen? Requires no theories to see that its true. Just research it yourself Xanth, you don't even have to search "conspiracy theories" to prove its true these days. Heck, just research the monetary system itself, all the evidence you need is right in front of you, in my opinion the "powers that be" are rather sloppy if anything, they just count on us thinking these theories are outrageous, crazy, or unlikely and taking that at face value. Just look at the Patriot Act and other tyrranical laws that have been passed since 9/11. Maybe you think these laws are really to protect us, but I know our ancestors fought and died for these freedoms, and it is the ultimate insult for the government to do this, we are in more danger when we have no rights then we are from a random terrorist attack that the government probly committed itself. Maybe you think that is outrageous as well, but look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident Xanth, the government attacked itself as an excuse to enter the Vietnam War, this is now PROVEN. But Im not gonna try to convince you, if you wanna know the truth you will research yourself. Kurt seems to be spending alot of time at alienhub.com forums.

[Xanth]

lol Xanth, the evidence is enormous, and the media is obviously controlled, all you have to do is turn on the news and point out the age old propaganda techniques, but you've decided this stuff isnt true without doing any research lol. It is verifiable, it is far from based on conjecture, but much of the NWO has already gone from conspiracy to common public fact over the past few years. You don't think NAFTA is planning a North American Union, you think the economic collapse was an accident? Did the bailout happen? Requires no theories to see that its true. Just research it yourself Xanth, you don't even have to search "conspiracy theories" to prove its true these days. Kurt seems to be spending alot of time at alienhub.com forums.

I haven't decided anything yet.  I'm neither for nor against the idea.
All I've said is that if the evidence is "out there" and "easy" to come by... why hasn't it been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. 

However, *EVERYTHING* you just said was nothing more than speculation.  At least until proven otherwise. ^_~

~Ryan

[Capt. Picard]

Sorry but you are wrong, you can't decide that when you haven't viewed the evidence that is literally right in front of your face to prove or disprove for yourself. Anyways, like I said, you don't have to beleive me, Im just suggesting you do research before you group "conspiracy theories" in with reptilians and greys. lol dont you hate when people post while youre editting your comment? Anyways, it is proven enough that is far more ridiculous to say the "government has our best interests at heart" or "the government cares about our rights" lmao.

[Xanth]

Sorry but you are wrong, you can't decide that when you haven't viewed the evidence that is literally right in front of your face to prove or disprove for yourself. Anyways, like I said, you don't have to beleive me, Im just suggesting you do research before you group "conspiracy theories" in with reptilians and greys. lol dont you hate when people post while youre editting your comment? Anyways, it is proven enough that is far more ridiculous to say the "government has our best interests at heart" or "the government cares about our rights" lmao.

It would probably surprise you to know this, but I have done a tad bit of research in it in the past... and I found nothing but speculation on the subject.  It it wasn't speculation, we wouldn't be having this discussion because all of this would be out in the open and proven.

Anyways, I can't be wrong, because you haven't proven anything.

Do you not understand the concept of "speculation"?  

~Ryan

[missym]

Everything is a conspiracy these days..
9/11, 2012, the chip, the greys, Obama, the reptilians, area 51, the illuminati.. maybe these conspiracies are conspiracies 

Why worry about this stuff when even if it is true you can do nothing about it? All worrying does is .. well, worry you. Life is much simpler without assuming everything is a conspiracy.

[Capt. Picard]

I would call it speculation if it were indeed that. I know you haven't done much research Xanth, you wouldnt have been so surprised at my links to CIA corruption if you had. You also wouldn't think its speculation had you done a significant amount of research. If you are willing to prove how the gulf of tonkin info Ive given is wrong, Im open to hear it, that incident alone proves the level of corupption our government is capable of. As I said, it is you who has to disprove this, much of it is common public knowledge, just rarely acknowledged for obvious political reasons.

[Capt. Picard]

LOL ther ya go again, grouping real conspracies with crazy ones, its obvious the media's intentions have worked here. I dont believe in greys, 2012, reptilians, but I do believe in the other ones, there is too much evidence. I mean honestly, you think Bush and Obama, and these politicians give a crap about us? They are corrupt as always and there is plenty of evidence. It is you guys who are speculating, as you are just making statements on subjects which you posess no knowledge on. But Im willing to agree to disagree before this turns into an arugment, I have cited legititmate sources to you before Xanth, and you still refuse to look at them or acknowledge them, its like arguing creationism with a creationist, no amount of evidence will convince them that God didnt create the world, just as no amount of evidence will convicne you that our government is sinister. Sometimes its not trying to see everything as conspiracy, but actually a skeptic who researched too much, and now cannot deny the reality of this.

[missym]

Alrighty, so reviewing what I just said,
even if they DON'T give a crap about us and are just into conspiracies and whatnot, why does this even matter? you can't change it, so why bother with it? even if you were to do something as ridiculous as form a group of people to go against the government or something, all that is going to come from this is getting people killed, because of an assumption you made and gathered evidence for that may not even be there.

[Capt. Picard]

I can't do anything about human mortality either, it dosent mean we should go through our lives pretending we're immortal (physically speaking xanth lol  ) Whether we can do anything about it or not, it does not mean it is not truth, in my opinion it nothing but weakness when people are so absorbed in their own world view, that they literally dont care if our own government is comitting atrocities against us and around the world. It dosent matter how you "feel" about it, it dosent change what is happening. Beleive me, I would love to pretend it dosent exist, but then I might as well pretend I can levitate through outer space or something I dont know. If you would remember, it is the people's resonsibility to control government, sitting back and doing nothing is not living up to this responsibility either way you look at it, perhaps the reason we cant do anything about it, is that the majority of people hold similar attitudes towards it and basically, dont care wether its real or not. Either way you look at current events, the Iraq War for example, was unconstituional for the USA, and it was a violation of sovereighty for the Iraqi's, the USA never found weapons of mass destruction, and over a million civilians are dead. Are you really supporting this? I support the US CONSTITUTION and bill of rights. Ive also sent you links to the FEMA directives Xanth, no governing body should have this kind of power, EVER, in a country that calls itself free. As citizens we do have a respinsibility to critisize government, I for one try to live up to that as much as I can, but you guys are right in one respect, it is difficult and an uphill battle, escpecially when you cant convicne citizens to do their own research. What is so ridiculous about forming a group to resist government intervention in our lives? Boy, thats never worked (1776 anyone?). Revolutions happen and the only thing stopping them is the fear that uneducated people possess. Screw living in fear of terrorists, I live in fear of losing our privledged rights that most of the world has already lost. Its not a conspiracy at all when you look at how oppresive governments around the world already are, combined with the rise of globalization, you would be pretty naive to think the wanna keep paying us good wages for labour in the west, when they can simply go to a different country and pay 1$ an hour or less to their workers. Its obviously going to happen and thats what this economic collapse is partially about.

[personalreality]

(1776) was a scam.  We never won anything, it was just the UK setting up a new colony to transfer power.

But still, I agree with the good captain.  It is personal responsibility to recognize when one is a slave and do what needs to be done to stop that.  However, being aware of all the horrible things one's govt does can become a problem.  It's really easy to get wholly absorbed in that reality and be consumed by it.

[Bacterio]

All that you say about NWO seems to be the traditional mass manipulation. You can see in ancient Rome, middle age kingdoms or recent european history...they are not so well organized, they are drunk of power but are ignorant of the meaning of life. If you like history you will find lots conspiracies...even more sophisticated. I have no doub there are many conspiracies running now (as always) and we have only one way to scape...self evolution.

[personalreality]

Humanity is tainted.  Expect tainted results.

I'm all for "self-evolution" though.