'Greys' ? ..

[Stookie]

Alex Jones radio station is owned by ABC, is he somehow part of it all and most likely a disinfo agent. But to say he distorts all the facts is wrong, most of his news articles on his website come from "legitimate" news websites.

True, but his interpretation is often heavily exaggerated to fit his view.

You dont need to read anything to know its at least partially true, just turn on the mainstream news and watch the propaganda fly, everything in our society is about corporate interests and many of those corporations do in fact have more power than the government itself.

I agree that corporations have a lot of say in congress through lobbying to create laws that push out smaller businesses. I don't deny that. But it points more towards greed. Corporate mainstream is out of control and it's crashing the economy.

but the fact of the matter is they have passed laws like the Patriot Act and it takes no theories to see that this is an abomination to a free country and an abuse of power.

Doesn't point to a conspiracy. It points to the arrogant Bush administration.

I agree (to a point) that those things go on. But I don't see any of it pointing to a larger, secret conspiracy. That's all conjecture fed as facts.

Anyways, why do you think we don't like the world? I just think's the world better when you can live in it free, and if anyone honestly wants to say our government is freedom loving, that will require evidence. Its not enough for the weight of evidence to be on me, when the status quo is much harder to defend when it comes down to cold, hard facts. I have no problem with the world, just the oppressive human organizations currently running it.

What exactly are they holding you back from doing?

I wholeheartedly agree capt.

We are slaves in this country, slaves to consumerism.  Our lives are forced to the brim with material concerns for the sole purpose of preventing proper spiritual development.  I wonder why?

No one is forced to buy anything. It's our fault for liking crap. We have choices.

but in a capitalist system they forces you to sit at your job 8 hours a day doing something you don't care about.

Again, you're being fooled into thinking this. No one has to do that or is forced to. It's what we may be brought to think, but when you realize your free these concepts won't hold you back. The world is big and open and this type of thinking makes it small and jail-like. You don't have to buy. You don't have to work. You don't have to have 2.5 kids. It's a shame people think these things are necessary to live happily. It's not a conspiracy. It's bad parenting in a greedy, selfish society.

All in all, yes there are bad people out there doing bad things, but I'm not convinced (yet) that they're going to shackle us and put us on trains to camps. We have choices, and as soon as you think you don't have any when you do, you are already a slave to your own thinking.

In my heart, I'm punk-rock and will always be independent of others rules to society. F- em.

[personalreality]

I know that we're not "forced" to (yet) live this way, but the structure of society is formulated to encourage this lifestyle.  We can sit here and talk about the freedom we have once we realize it, but most people don't realize it and aren't given an opportunity to.

[Capt. Picard]

Yes, I am agreeing with you on Alex Jones, Im just pointing out that most of the news articles he posts on his websites, do not involve his input and are tooken directly from real news sites. You agree that corporations are destroying the economy, well the corporations dont = conspiracy, because they are trying to hide the damage they have and are continuing to do. If the Patriot Act is just the Bush administration, why hasnt it been repealed? It is illegal under the constitution and helps confirm the NWO theory, it is a blatant violation of civil liberties and they can send a US citizen to guantanamo without a trial under its provisions.The presidents have no power of their own, its the same corporate interests controlling both Bush, and Obama's actions. They are stopping us from doing plenty of things actually, I live on my own, but I can't find work, unemployment is the highest in my county of my province. No money and they keep grouping us into cities. The direction they are moving in is to limit our travel and our wealth, and its working. You can think it is conjecture but there is more than enough evidence of all this being true, and it takes much more evidence that isnt there to prove it wrong.

[Capt. Picard]

Also, you say we aren't forced to live in this lifestyle, but how much open wilderness is there that isn't owned by some person/corporation/government. You could leave society and go live on your own, but sooner or later someone will find you and could charge you with trespassing and not paying your taxes for all the years you've been gone. Not as simple as you think to just up and leave society Stookie. As for PReal, what you said about the birth certificate and your name is spot on, as soon as you get a birth certificate or a SIN number, you are quite literally the property of corporate America.

[Stookie]

I know that we're not "forced" to (yet) live this way, but the structure of society is formulated to encourage this lifestyle.  We can sit here and talk about the freedom we have once we realize it, but most people don't realize it and aren't given an opportunity to.

It is a shame. But we're still responsible for ourselves. And if people don't realize that they are as much a part of it and keep blaming it on secret cabals, things will get REALLY bad. And I do believe that secret societies and things like that exist, but not to the point where they are master and we are slave. We are free and need to realize it instead of just assuming they have control over your life.

My point is to get people to think for themselves and not think what the internet tells them to think. You can have a very fun, enjoyable, free, big life, full of exploration. Or you can sit behind a desk and buy crap, or type and read on the internet all day.

[Stookie]

Also, you say we aren't forced to live in this lifestyle, but how much open wilderness is there that isn't owned by some person/corporation/government. You could leave society and go live on your own, but sooner or later someone will find you and could charge you with trespassing and not paying your taxes for all the years you've been gone. Not as simple as you think to just up and leave society Stookie.

I'm not saying leave society. You can live within it, and by being creative and listening to your higher-self, you can still live how you want to. Yes, if you own property you have to pay taxes on it, but that is par for the course world-wide, not a conspiracy. Start making your own rules to life. Adopt your own philosophy. It's so simple that no one will do it. Probably because Frazier is on at the time.

[Capt. Picard]

Perhaps all we're trying to do is inform people that that sort of lifestyle you describe won't still be here for our children and grandchildren etc if we dont stop this government control now. If we were truly free the government wouldnt violate the constitution and our rights every day with all the new laws and crap they pass. If I were free I wouldnt be always getting harassed by the cops and searched randomly just for walking down the street, I dont buy the whole "if you have nothing to hide why should you care" because if you dont do anything they get used to minor violations of your rights, and make that a regular thing until the majority of the population sees nothing wrong with not having those rights at all anymore.

[personalreality]

I love Frasier

[Capt. Picard]

I'm not saying leave society. You can live within it, and by being creative and listening to your higher-self, you can still live how you want to. Yes, if you own property you have to pay taxes on it, but that is par for the course world-wide, not a conspiracy. Start making your own rules to life. Adopt your own philosophy. It's so simple that no one will do it. Probably because Frazier is on at the time.

Look up the income tax, that is a conspiracy, there has yet to be a law passed saying you must pay income tax, in fact, I believe the constitution forbids an income tax. Yet dont pay and watch the IRS and the SWAT team storm your house with automatic machine guns.

[Stookie]

If I were free I wouldnt be always getting harassed by the cops and searched randomly just for walking down the street

That's illegal in the US. You should get their badge number and report them. It's important to know your rights and let them know you know them. When I was younger I was harassed by cops from time to time. Half the time they were suspicious for good reason though - I hung out with some punk-butt kids.

Yet dont pay and watch the IRS and the SWAT team storm your house with automatic machine guns.

No, you can evade taxes for a long time before they do anything. Sometimes up to 15 years, and then it's still court and fines and stuff. You can lose your house and become homeless, but they won't take heavy action like that. It's not police-state like.

I love Frasier

lol

It's all good guys. I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong. I love good debate and wanted to get this thread back on track. And I didn't, because it's about GREYS!  

[Capt. Picard]

Thats just it, you think its illegal but they dont care, and many, many times cops have refused to give their badge numbers, once after we watched a cop beat up a 16 year old girl because she wouldnt allow them to search her apartment without a warrant. Unless you have your own camera recording directly to a live internet feed, or you record the conversation secretly, they can and will get away with whatever they want. This stuff happens stookie, and under the partriot act and other laws since, cops are encouraged to participate in this unlawful behaviour. A video showing police anti-terrorism training on the internet, even has the instructor argue that the founding fathers of the USA were terrorists. And it is well documented the police state tactics used to some tax evaders and protestors. You are probly right, they dont usually storm the house but it happened plenty of times nonetheless, and even so, you say they take you to court and fine you, for taxes that you dont legally have to pay! I just dont see the excuses being of any value, people say we are turning into a police state, then I go out and see it for myself, I can see the news propaganda for myself. So much of this I and other people can see for themselves.

[Xanth]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_world_cultures_traditions_and_religions/north_korea_why-t30978.0.html;msg253786#msg253786

To me a police state is when you have to notify authorities everywhere you go, constantly go through road and pedestrian check points and get searched, have random searches of your home, etc. It's weird that people are always trying to tell me that's the country I live in, because I've NEVER experienced any of that stuff.

I went on a cross-country road trip with a friend and the whole time we were talking about Alex Jones (I have a lot of it documented) and we were trying to find examples of the NWO and police state he was talking about. (That wasn't the main point of the trip - freedom was). In 30+ states we didn't find anything that resembled it, and weren't hassled or pulled over for being out of state, or for anything. I've been to other countries as well, and it's a beautiful world to experience. You can spend your time complaining about the world and who is in control, or you can be in control and go do everything you want to do. No one is stopping you. Except maybe your mom or wife or something.

So, to anyone thinking they are a slave, go out into the world and travel and see things with your own eyes, then make your decision. From what I can gather, what you see on the internet and youtube is as much propaganda as the national news. If you haven't done much traveling (outside of family vacation), DO IT NOW, WHILE YOU ARE YOUNG.

Sorry, I just had to post that...
Guess who posted it?  Don't click on the link until you guess!!  

[Capt. Picard]

Im gonna guess it was Stookie, Im not sure the relevance of that though, apparently people dont think the police state needs to be stopped until its fully operational and too late at that point. From my experiences with authorities, there is no doubt in my mind that we are moving in that direction, I also see random police checkpoints set up on the road at least once a month in my town, I drove through one of these unconstituional checkpoints and got the hell questioned out of me.

[zareste]

Thats just it, you think its illegal but they dont care, and many, many times cops have refused to give their badge numbers, once after we watched a cop beat up a 16 year old girl because she wouldnt allow them to search her apartment without a warrant. Unless you have your own camera recording directly to a live internet feed, or you record the conversation secretly, they can and will get away with whatever they want. This stuff happens stookie, and under the partriot act and other laws since, cops are encouraged to participate in this unlawful behaviour. A video showing police anti-terrorism training on the internet, even has the instructor argue that the founding fathers of the USA were terrorists. And it is well documented the police state tactics used to some tax evaders and protestors. You are probly right, they dont usually storm the house but it happened plenty of times nonetheless, and even so, you say they take you to court and fine you, for taxes that you dont legally have to pay! I just dont see the excuses being of any value, people say we are turning into a police state, then I go out and see it for myself, I can see the news propaganda for myself. So much of this I and other people can see for themselves.

Quick explanation of Xanth and Stookie's behavior:
- An unknowing person says "really?"
- A guilty person says "no we didn't"

Which are they? This is something I learned when I spent years trying to 'educate' people. They are not innocent - they know what's going on, they know who's dying and who's doing the killing. They are criminals

[Xanth]

Someone mentioned "Police State" and that post of Stookie's came to mind.  I thought it might have provided some extra insight... I was wrong. :/

Anyways!

It's all good guys. I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong. I love good debate and wanted to get this thread back on track. And I didn't, because it's about GREYS!  

What was the original topic anyways?
What about Greys?

[vipassana]

It seems as though none of the world exists outside of my experience here and now. I've never been up close and personal with the NWO or greys. I wish I could meet a grey. Has anyone here ever consciously made an attempt to contact them via AP and had success?

Another thought about the NWO (for lack of a better term); No matter what you believe, keep an open mind to the possibility. We all did for AP and now it is a reality. Just because we don't see, doesn't mean there isn't something to be seen.

The NWO discussion would probably fit better in the 2012 category. Just for future reference because I'm sure this is not the last we will discuss this subject.

[personalreality]

yea, this thread should be moved since the turn it's taken.

vipassana, you ought to email kurt.

you can do it through his website, http://mindbasedtechnology.com

From Kurt's particular scale and position in reality, interaction with alien entities known as greys is a common occurrence.  This experience may not hold true from anyone else's scale and position (ie perspective).

Perhaps some people are delusional.  I wont say who I think the delusional ones are......good morning Dave. 

[Xanth]

yea, this thread should be moved since the turn it's taken.

vipassana, you ought to email kurt.

you can do it through his website, http://mindbasedtechnology.com

he has a lot of experience with greys.

You should edit that a bit...      ... he THINKS he does.

[soli]

I only have experience with the reds and blues.

[personalreality]

Thats Funny.

[personalreality]

I'm color-blind so they're all grey to me.

[soli]

I'm color-blind so they're all grey to me.

good point, maybe we should start asking abductees if they're color blind or not in interviews so we know if we actually have the right alien race

[missym]

I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way, but it's upsetting to hear people talking about how we are not free when in fact we are the luckiest people in the world to live where we do.
There are starving families all over the world, places where children care for themselves and starve to death, where people get raped and abused and murdered on a daily basis and there is NOBODY to do anything about it, nobody who even CARES.
Please don't say that this happens here.

Obviously it does happen(murders, rape, etc.), but there are people who investigate and try to find murderers and sentence them, whereas in some places of the world nobody tries to help or even wants to help. Children are dying painful deaths due to disease, literally as we are typing.
Most of the world is living in poverty, which in turn leads to acts of violence, rape, murder, diseases, starvation, just horrible horrible things.
I'm not denying the existance of a government which may or may not be planning conspiracies, but to say we are not FREE and saying how horrible our government is, is IMO overlooking the fact that we are indeed the luckiest people in the world.. How about instead of planning a revoloution against the government and finding reasons to hate it so much, plan a group that supplies children with food? Or families with livestock? Or people with immunizations? There are bigger problems to worry about..

Please don't jump at me for saying all of that.. it's just how I feel and I don't mean to offend anybody if I did.

[missym]

On a side note,

@ PR

[Capt. Picard]

Immunizations... there's plenty of NWO stuff concerning those too lol. Anyways, the point is with globalization, it costs too much for many corporations to continue to pay for our freedoms in terms of decent wages. They want to deindustrialize much of the western world though debt and economic depressions. The whole point of trying to spread awareness of the NWO is to let people know, these freedoms we think we have are being planned on being taken away. Sorry for going off topic again but I can't think about anything more to discuss about the greys. I remember hearing about certain doctor(s) removing "implants" which somehow stopped the body from having an immune reaction to the foreign object. They are supposedly removed from people who have experienced alien abductions. Anyone know about the legitimacy of this?