The Astral Pulse

I'm not one to ask questions like this, but recently I've been having some weird experiences (dreams?) about aliens..
Last night, I was trying to get out of body when I fell asleep..(I think)
I dreamt that aliens contacted me, telling me I had to leave my level of existance and go live on theirs.. They looked like people but I knew they were making themselves look like that so I would trust them, but I still didn't, they had a horrible negative energy..
I resisted, and they told me I didn't have a choice and I couldn't live physically anymore, I begged and pleaded but I knew I didn't have a choice. I asked to say goodbye to my son, and I tried to say goodbye to him but he was sleeping.
They brought me out into a different 'level'. and I could see a spiraling dimension-thing, there's no other way to describe it.
I remembered how to will myself back into my body and did so, fearing that if I stayed out any longer, I really would have no way of getting back.

There's more to it but piece by piece I seem to be forgetting .. Please tell me this was just a dream.. I personally believe aliens live in this plane, just on a different planet, so I dont know where this is coming from.

Have you ever talked to Kurt?

:lol:

Seriously though, the general vibe is that most Greys aren't your friends.

Just do the RB test, tell them to go away and come back when you're ready to talk to them.  If they go then they're probably ok.  If they try to argue and say that they have wisdom that you need or somethingto that effect tell them not to come back.

Dear missym,

I've come to read a few reports showing that apparently they are very afraid of the name of Jesus. Next time, try crying out for Jesus (you don't have to believe it) or voice the Lord's Prayer. This according to some reports seems to frighten them out of their skin. There are some abductees who instantly have had their abduction abborted and returned to their bodies.

The 'Greys' groups are in a desperate struggle to survive themselves (which is no excuse for the atrocities they are comiting), stealing taking over human bodies in society. They apparently believe this is their greatest chance of survival.
There's a very odd phenomenon associated with the greys in human bodies: the appear to be able to turn their eyes completly black.
It would appear obvious that the astral/etheric Greys and Reptilians are much less dangerous than the ones who still have a physical body and all the advanced technology at their undeserving hands.
I believe there is an ancreasing number of astral aliens since daily a lot of aliens die in UFO battles that humans can not see because they operate in the infrared, outside of the frequency of visible light. However they can and have been observed shooting each other down using third-generation binoculars at night.
They can also be observed by skilled clairvoyants. I have occasionally, accidentally seen the aliens and their crafts on some occasions.


kind regards,

Paul

I've had around 30 dreams about aliens and ufos so far, usually just ufos in my dreams though, it is probably my most popular type of dream. Most of the time they are trying to invade my house or simply passing through, and a lot of times the UFOs in the sky have been simply amazing to see. I distinctly remember a dream at my grandmothers house during the night when I was outside and a fleet of UFOs was silently inching across the brilliant night sky. They were so majestic all I could do was gaze in awe as they passed by.

Quote from: Tiny on May 01, 2010, 19:56:47
I believe there is an an icreasing number of astral aliens since daily a lot of aliens die in UFO battles that humans can not see because they operate in the infrared, outside of the frequency of visible light.

How convenient... a battle... we can not see... among competitors... we don't know exist.

Does anyone else feel like people keep adding to the story in a vain effort to keep others interested?  :-D

~Ryan :)

well, infrared is easily recordable the problem is video is such an easily manipulated medium that to find any sort of truth to UFOs you'd have to find it yourself. Try something like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg), I like the idea of what these people are doing. Just out there simply exploring the night sky.

Quote from: soli on May 01, 2010, 21:58:51
well, infrared is easily recordable the problem is video is such an easily manipulated medium that to find any sort of truth to UFOs you'd have to find it yourself. Try something like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abbZ16_lHOg), I like the idea of what these people are doing. Just out there simply exploring the night sky.

Dear soli,

there are actually much, much nicer goggles' captures of the crafts out there such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vqf0eM39Us


It's always best to ignore the trolls, there are a few of them here on astralpulse whose names i don't need to mention - who are consciously or subconsciously stiring threads up and cause upheaval and conflict between one another. If noone feeds them there's nothing for them to feed on.



kind regards,

Paul

Quote from: Tiny on May 01, 2010, 22:12:28
Dear soli,

there are actually much, much nicer goggles' captures of the crafts out there such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vqf0eM39Us


It's always best to ignore the trolls, there are a few of them here on astralpulse whose names i won't mention - trying to stir things up and cause upheaval and conflict between one another.



kind regards,

Paul

while that is a nicer video it's the only one I can find of night vision capture on that user's profile. I found garry's to be interesting because if you look on his channel he has videos released every week/month that he captured himself with IR. It is not really the quality I like but his dedication in exploring the night sky to find the truth he is seeking~ http://www.youtube.com/user/0garry555#p/ (http://www.youtube.com/user/0garry555#p/)

Quote from: soli on May 01, 2010, 22:26:07
while that is a nicer video it's the only one I can find of night vision capture on that user's profile. I found garry's to be interesting because if you look on his channel he has videos released every week/month that he captured himself with IR. It is not really the quality I like but his dedication in exploring the night sky to find the truth he is seeking~ http://www.youtube.com/user/0garry555#p/ (http://www.youtube.com/user/0garry555#p/)

Read the title of the video I gave you again, please.

It says in it: dede95064 that is the user who the video belongs to.

His channel is located here: http://www.youtube.com/user/dede95064#p/u/5/6RJ-XlRlrKA

I by the way don't care what you or anyone believe about the validity of these videos and I hope that I didn't push this thread towards becoming one of those braindead  "proof to me aliens and UFOs exist" kind of threads. I will not waste my precious time and energy on those kind of threads.

I recommend returning to the original topic in respect of the author and the topic.


kind regards,

Paul

Quote from: Tiny on May 01, 2010, 22:34:40
Read the title of the video I gave you again, please.

It says in it: dede95064 that is the user who the video belongs to.

His channel is located here: http://www.youtube.com/user/dede95064#p/u/5/6RJ-XlRlrKA

I by the way don't care what you or anyone believes about the validity of these videos and I hope that I didn't push this thread towards becoming one of those braindead  "proof to me aliens and UFOs exist" kind of threads. I will not waste my precious time and energy on those kind of threads.

Yeah, I saw that channel, he has 9 videos, garry has 150+ self recorded. Like I said before, no one will ever prove to you if they exist or not, you have to prove it to yourself, if you have already, then great  :-D. What kind of threads will you waste it on then? In regards to the OP, I think it was just a dream, a hallucination.

Hey Xanth.

Quote from: Tiny on May 01, 2010, 22:12:28
Dear soli,

there are actually much, much nicer goggles' captures of the crafts out there such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vqf0eM39Us

That's a pretty good video.
As is the other one posted before yours.

QuoteIt's always best to ignore the trolls, there are a few of them here on astralpulse whose names i don't need to mention - who are consciously or subconsciously stiring threads up and cause upheaval and conflict between one another. If noone feeds them there's nothing for them to feed on.

Tiny, if you feel you're being trolled for whatever reason... please feel free to hit that "report to moderator" link at the bottom of every post.  :)
That's what it's there for.

Quote from: personalreality on May 01, 2010, 23:43:08
Hey Xanth.

*waves*

Quote from: soli on May 01, 2010, 22:45:49
Yeah, I saw that channel, he has 9 videos, garry has 150+ self recorded. Like I said before, no one will ever prove to you if they exist or not, you have to prove it to yourself, if you have already, then great  :-D. What kind of threads will you waste it on then? In regards to the OP, I think it was just a dream, a hallucination.

That's actually a very good statement.
It's exactly what we tell people looking for proof of Astral Projection!

~Ryan :)

First of all, thank you for the replies  :-)

Second of all, OMG
A UFO flew about two trees high above my vehicle today. It was triangle shaped, with two red lights on each side, and a blinking white light.It hovered above me and off into another direction, making a loud white noise-ish sound.
What are the chances!?

Quote from: missym on May 02, 2010, 01:12:08
First of all, thank you for the replies  :-)

Second of all, OMG
A UFO flew about two trees high above my vehicle today. It was triangle shaped, with two red lights on each side, and a blinking white light.It hovered above me and off into another direction, making a loud white noise-ish sound.
What are the chances!?

Dear missym,

I've heard from good sources that the small triangles craft are designed for abductions.
There are also huge ones but I think they are much different, i think.
I personally feel that the small ones are scout and surveillance craft.

The small ones are almost always seen with the reddish, orangish lights in the corners and usually described football field size (although i believe there are much smaller ones) are frequently spotted in the United States and are also famous from the Belgium incident in the 90s. They are often associated with the military industrial extraterrestrial complex (MIEC), a black corporation that couples the american high miiltary with certain extraterrestrial groups, in joint efforts.
I don't want to say black "government" organizations since constitutionally they are not. Technically all these organizations like the MIEC, CIA, NSA etc. are individual corporations that are fueled by US tax payer money.
Ironically, the US federal income tax isn't constitutional either  :-D.
Some of these organizations however have developed and engineered technologies that far surpass the public standards.

I uploaded this picture I have on my harddrive that I once picked up off the internet, with no idea if it is genuine however it serves as a quite accurate illustration of the general look of this craft. You can see why some people say it is the 3rd generation stealth craft.

(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9466/ny729314june09.jpg)

And this is the real deal fotograph of the belgium incident:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7LKddcpz1nw/SgQKHrDSCaI/AAAAAAAAB10/xsfAEg8wXJ4/s400/BelgianTriangle.jpg)

kind regards,

Paul

Like Tiny says, you can invoke the angels against them, but I would only do this in an absolute emergency, and even then I'd be careful. It's like getting a favor from the mafia. The reason these life forms run from angels is because the angels are frickin crazy - they seriously spend day and night wondering who they should kill next, and if you get a favor from them they might start to consider you their property.

Quote from: zareste on May 02, 2010, 04:30:01
Like Tiny says, you can invoke the angels against them, but I would only do this in an absolute emergency, and even then I'd be careful. It's like getting a favor from the mafia. The reason these life forms run from angels is because the angels are frickin crazy - they seriously spend day and night wondering who they should kill next, and if you get a favor from them they might start to consider you their property.

where do you get your information from? just curious?

from the twilight zone

oooooOOOoOoOoo

Quote from: personalreality on May 02, 2010, 11:25:22
from the twilight zone

oooooOOOoOoOoo

Well, that's probably closer to the truth.
We already have people quoting sources ala David Wilcock... "heard from good sources".
He just never *EVER* mentions who the good sources are... how convenient.

I do not have the intention of ridiculing anyone or making fun of, perhaps I should have left a personal message to zaraste thou I am interested in what he has to say because of angel statement.

I just have a hard time figuring out how the good guys can be so "I run the universe and all the dimension so I can go and kill everyone without even blinking or thinking about it, I know best and you don't understand"  when I get the feeling and the message that the higher self. All that is good and understanding knows that killing interrupts your "schooling" if you can call it that. Your teachings of love and ascension. So I just have a hard time figuring that out.

But then again I might just have it all wrong?

PS. let us not make this into what is wrong or right when clearly the majority should now know that there is no wrong or right.

I gotta say, the nature of reality is such a mystery to us that it's hard to determine if these beings people meet called greys are real at all.  maybe it's a figment of the imagination.  maybe they're shape shifters pretending.  who knows.

Quote from: personalreality on May 02, 2010, 13:00:03
I gotta say, the nature of reality is such a mystery to us that it's hard to determine if these beings people meet called greys are real at all.  maybe it's a figment of the imagination.  maybe they're shape shifters pretending.  who knows.

Since we're posting theories...
Mine is that there is a segment of the population that has so engrossed their lives into this ideal that they've created all this.
The story keeps getting added to year after year... becomes more elaborate time after time...

I don't discount the stories and the information... only that it's becoming "too grand" of a story to believe.
I do believe that there is something out there, alien or whatnot...

why aren't you chatting Xanth?

Xanth isn't very coherent at the moment

QuoteI just have a hard time figuring out how the good guys can be so "I run the universe and all the dimension so I can go and kill everyone without even blinking or thinking about it, I know best and you don't understand"  when I get the feeling and the message that the higher self. All that is good and understanding knows that killing interrupts your "schooling" if you can call it that. Your teachings of love and ascension.

I'm bored, so I'll address this.

I'll start with the first sentence: There's no disagreement here. The good guys don't look for excuses to kill everyone.

Whether or not killing interrupts schooling depends on what you're being taught. There are lots of schools where they use violence against kids (physical and psychological) to teach them to do rotten things. Likewise, someone who can control your incarnation cycles can do the same - they can put you in terrible situations where you suffer and die repeatedly, and it will teach you to do terrible things. For the teachers, it's mission accomplished.

How did this turn into a thread for geocentric nuttery?

I agree with Xanth, pretty much all information on the greys is nothing but conjecture, I wouldn't be too surprised if they turned out to not exist at all outside of our own imaginations. Geoncentric nuttery? Sounds nutty to think you know anything about anything outside this planet that youve never physically left.

Quote from: zareste on May 02, 2010, 15:29:08
Xanth isn't very coherent at the moment

Apparently, the good Captain thinks I'm coherent enough.
Perhaps you just need more coffee?  ;)

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 02, 2010, 17:14:25
I agree with Xanth, pretty much all information on the greys is nothing but conjecture, I wouldn't be too surprised if they turned out to not exist at all outside of our own imaginations. Geoncentric nuttery? Sounds nutty to think you know anything about anything outside this planet that youve never physically left.

Sounds about right to me.
But then, ours is but one opinion in a sea of many, isn't it?

~Ryan :)

The top people with the most attention and information on these topics always seem to be grasping at straws for evidence supporting there views. Check out this current Whitley Strieber article. Even though the story is completely made up and done as a joke, he still cites it as evidence:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=8316

QuoteThis story is written as a joke, but we suspect that the sighting was real

It sounds like he just really really really wants to believe it even when it's a straight up joke. How can you take someone like that seriously? And then when he has real-deal info (?) it's gonna be the-boy-who-cried-wolf.

When people use the term 'greys', are these beings that live in another dimension? Or just aliens in general?
Whatever it is I saw seems to want something from here. It's been seen many times over the past 2 weeks, same aircraft flying around my city, which doesn't seem to make much sense because I live in a huge city (not L.A. huge, but big) and it's flying so low, just above the houses.. Wouldn't you think they would know better?
Ryan, the photo you put up looks nearly identical to what I saw, however it was relatively small (maybe the size of 3 vans width-wise). It worries me why these things are flying so low and so slow.. are they looking for people? creepy.. And I'm sure calling upon the angels wouldn't help if these aliens were abducting me in the physical dimension lol
Haven't had time to check out the videos either, but I will as soon as I get the chance :)
I've heard stories about alien abduction, where people were brought to different dimensions for years at a time, but when they returned it had only been 3 minutes? And, conveniently, nobody had been with them at the time..
I personally don't believe most stories like these, however I'm sure not all of them are made up so..  :wink:

whenever greys are mentioned they mean an alien species. You can read more about it here or on google, should be steaming with reports of the greys
http://aliens.monstrous.com/greys.htm
and yes it is presumed that they live in another dimension, presumably the 4th.

Quote from: Xanth on May 02, 2010, 17:45:08Apparently, the good Captain thinks I'm coherent enough.

Insightful, isn't it?

It's kinda odd. While CFT clearly doesn't believe the geocentric-life model, an awful lot of her forum does.

Or maybe it's just a very noisy minority. I still have some faith in this site

Quote from: missym on May 03, 2010, 16:30:16
When people use the term 'greys', are these beings that live in another dimension? Or just aliens in general?

You have to understand that they are as biological as anybody else. However they are very much using Astral Projection to operate on the astral level.
And I already explained that many of them have already died so they are bound to operate from the astral level.

Quote
worries me why these things are flying so low and so slow.. are they looking for people?

The triangles are not planes. They are presumably hover craft and they possess flight capabilities that are physically impossible for airplanes.
When they are looking for people, they are looking for people with special genetics that they mark and separate like wheat from chaff to be part of special corporate programmes.
Many psychics involuntarily work for them. Memory is usually erased after the sessions.

Quote
I've heard stories about alien abduction, where people were brought to different dimensions for years at a time, but when they returned it had only been 3 minutes? And, conveniently, nobody had been with them at the time..

This is because most abductions are astral abductions where the astral body is extruded from the victim and taken to an astral locale.
Time in the astral world is not sync with the physical.

Quote
I personally don't believe most stories like these

But then I'm sure you would believe hundreds of thousands of testimonies before court to serial murder cases that all happened in the same way?

Hundreds of years ago the people ridiculed all those claiming the Earth is actually round and that they have travelled across the globe without falling off an edge  :roll:.
Likewise the people of today are treating hollow earth researchers like that.
Ignorance has always been dramatically slowing down the process.


My god people, free your minds!



kind regards,

Paul

Serial murderers are usually convicted on physical evidence as well... Hollow earth? Don't buy it, it's been disproven too many times. Things like the NWO can be personally proven using verifiable evidence. Reptilians? Greys? Hollow earth? Its all based on conjecture, I just don't see the evidence.

Quote from: zareste on May 04, 2010, 01:47:33
Insightful, isn't it?

It's kinda odd. While CFT clearly doesn't believe the geocentric-life model, an awful lot of her forum does.

Or maybe it's just a very noisy minority. I still have some faith in this site

It's always been the vocal minority that rule the world.  ;)

~Ryan

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 04, 2010, 04:44:10
Serial murderers are usually convicted on physical evidence as well... Hollow earth? Don't buy it, it's been disproven too many times. Things like the NWO can be personally proven using verifiable evidence. Reptilians? Greys? Hollow earth? Its all based on conjecture, I just don't see the evidence.

Playing devils advocate for a second here...
If the NWO can be proven using verifiable evidence... why hasn't it yet?
Why are we still sitting here listening to people ramble on and on regarding this NWO if it's so easily proven?

~Ryan

You have to connect dots and really pay attention xanth.

they spend a lot of time and money to make it hard to see, but its there.

western media keeps this stuff on lockdown.

Quote from: personalreality on May 04, 2010, 12:11:19
You have to connect dots and really pay attention xanth.

they spend a lot of time and money to make it hard to see, but its there.

But this is supposedly *easily* proven.
If I have to start connecting dots and pay REALLY close attention... that's not really easy then.

Quotewestern media keeps this stuff on lockdown.

I know you realize this, but I'll point it out for others' sake.
That's a cop-out answer.  ;)

~Ryan

Quote from: Xanth on May 04, 2010, 13:00:28

That's a cop-out answer.  ;)

doesn't mean its not true

Quote from: personalreality on May 04, 2010, 13:31:28
doesn't mean its not true

Doesn't mean it is either. ;)

lol
I am surprised kurt hasn't said anything here, where is he these days ?

lol Xanth, the evidence is enormous, and the media is obviously controlled, all you have to do is turn on the news and point out the age old propaganda techniques, but you've decided this stuff isnt true without doing any research lol. It is verifiable, it is far from based on conjecture, but much of the NWO has already gone from conspiracy to common public fact over the past few years. You don't think NAFTA is planning a North American Union, you think the economic collapse was an accident? Did the bailout happen? Requires no theories to see that its true. Just research it yourself Xanth, you don't even have to search "conspiracy theories" to prove its true these days. Heck, just research the monetary system itself, all the evidence you need is right in front of you, in my opinion the "powers that be" are rather sloppy if anything, they just count on us thinking these theories are outrageous, crazy, or unlikely and taking that at face value. Just look at the Patriot Act and other tyrranical laws that have been passed since 9/11. Maybe you think these laws are really to protect us, but I know our ancestors fought and died for these freedoms, and it is the ultimate insult for the government to do this, we are in more danger when we have no rights then we are from a random terrorist attack that the government probly committed itself. Maybe you think that is outrageous as well, but look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident Xanth, the government attacked itself as an excuse to enter the Vietnam War, this is now PROVEN. But Im not gonna try to convince you, if you wanna know the truth you will research yourself. Kurt seems to be spending alot of time at alienhub.com forums.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 04, 2010, 16:32:36
lol Xanth, the evidence is enormous, and the media is obviously controlled, all you have to do is turn on the news and point out the age old propaganda techniques, but you've decided this stuff isnt true without doing any research lol. It is verifiable, it is far from based on conjecture, but much of the NWO has already gone from conspiracy to common public fact over the past few years. You don't think NAFTA is planning a North American Union, you think the economic collapse was an accident? Did the bailout happen? Requires no theories to see that its true. Just research it yourself Xanth, you don't even have to search "conspiracy theories" to prove its true these days. Kurt seems to be spending alot of time at alienhub.com forums.

I haven't decided anything yet.  I'm neither for nor against the idea.
All I've said is that if the evidence is "out there" and "easy" to come by... why hasn't it been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.  ;)

However, *EVERYTHING* you just said was nothing more than speculation.  At least until proven otherwise. ^_~

~Ryan

Sorry but you are wrong, you can't decide that when you haven't viewed the evidence that is literally right in front of your face to prove or disprove for yourself. Anyways, like I said, you don't have to beleive me, Im just suggesting you do research before you group "conspiracy theories" in with reptilians and greys. lol dont you hate when people post while youre editting your comment? Anyways, it is proven enough that is far more ridiculous to say the "government has our best interests at heart" or "the government cares about our rights" lmao.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 04, 2010, 16:40:45
Sorry but you are wrong, you can't decide that when you haven't viewed the evidence that is literally right in front of your face to prove or disprove for yourself. Anyways, like I said, you don't have to beleive me, Im just suggesting you do research before you group "conspiracy theories" in with reptilians and greys. lol dont you hate when people post while youre editting your comment? Anyways, it is proven enough that is far more ridiculous to say the "government has our best interests at heart" or "the government cares about our rights" lmao.

It would probably surprise you to know this, but I have done a tad bit of research in it in the past... and I found nothing but speculation on the subject.  It it wasn't speculation, we wouldn't be having this discussion because all of this would be out in the open and proven.

Anyways, I can't be wrong, because you haven't proven anything.

Do you not understand the concept of "speculation"?  :)

~Ryan

Everything is a conspiracy these days..
9/11, 2012, the chip, the greys, Obama, the reptilians, area 51, the illuminati.. maybe these conspiracies are conspiracies  :-o

Why worry about this stuff when even if it is true you can do nothing about it? All worrying does is .. well, worry you. Life is much simpler without assuming everything is a conspiracy.

I would call it speculation if it were indeed that. I know you haven't done much research Xanth, you wouldnt have been so surprised at my links to CIA corruption if you had. You also wouldn't think its speculation had you done a significant amount of research. If you are willing to prove how the gulf of tonkin info Ive given is wrong, Im open to hear it, that incident alone proves the level of corupption our government is capable of. As I said, it is you who has to disprove this, much of it is common public knowledge, just rarely acknowledged for obvious political reasons.

LOL ther ya go again, grouping real conspracies with crazy ones, its obvious the media's intentions have worked here. I dont believe in greys, 2012, reptilians, but I do believe in the other ones, there is too much evidence. I mean honestly, you think Bush and Obama, and these politicians give a crap about us? They are corrupt as always and there is plenty of evidence. It is you guys who are speculating, as you are just making statements on subjects which you posess no knowledge on. But Im willing to agree to disagree before this turns into an arugment, I have cited legititmate sources to you before Xanth, and you still refuse to look at them or acknowledge them, its like arguing creationism with a creationist, no amount of evidence will convince them that God didnt create the world, just as no amount of evidence will convicne you that our government is sinister. Sometimes its not trying to see everything as conspiracy, but actually a skeptic who researched too much, and now cannot deny the reality of this.

Alrighty, so reviewing what I just said,
even if they DON'T give a crap about us and are just into conspiracies and whatnot, why does this even matter? you can't change it, so why bother with it? even if you were to do something as ridiculous as form a group of people to go against the government or something, all that is going to come from this is getting people killed, because of an assumption you made and gathered evidence for that may not even be there.

I can't do anything about human mortality either, it dosent mean we should go through our lives pretending we're immortal (physically speaking xanth lol  :roll:) Whether we can do anything about it or not, it does not mean it is not truth, in my opinion it nothing but weakness when people are so absorbed in their own world view, that they literally dont care if our own government is comitting atrocities against us and around the world. It dosent matter how you "feel" about it, it dosent change what is happening. Beleive me, I would love to pretend it dosent exist, but then I might as well pretend I can levitate through outer space or something I dont know. If you would remember, it is the people's resonsibility to control government, sitting back and doing nothing is not living up to this responsibility either way you look at it, perhaps the reason we cant do anything about it, is that the majority of people hold similar attitudes towards it and basically, dont care wether its real or not. Either way you look at current events, the Iraq War for example, was unconstituional for the USA, and it was a violation of sovereighty for the Iraqi's, the USA never found weapons of mass destruction, and over a million civilians are dead. Are you really supporting this? I support the US CONSTITUTION and bill of rights. Ive also sent you links to the FEMA directives Xanth, no governing body should have this kind of power, EVER, in a country that calls itself free. As citizens we do have a respinsibility to critisize government, I for one try to live up to that as much as I can, but you guys are right in one respect, it is difficult and an uphill battle, escpecially when you cant convicne citizens to do their own research. What is so ridiculous about forming a group to resist government intervention in our lives? Boy, thats never worked (1776 anyone?). Revolutions happen and the only thing stopping them is the fear that uneducated people possess. Screw living in fear of terrorists, I live in fear of losing our privledged rights that most of the world has already lost. Its not a conspiracy at all when you look at how oppresive governments around the world already are, combined with the rise of globalization, you would be pretty naive to think the wanna keep paying us good wages for labour in the west, when they can simply go to a different country and pay 1$ an hour or less to their workers. Its obviously going to happen and thats what this economic collapse is partially about.

(1776) was a scam.  We never won anything, it was just the UK setting up a new colony to transfer power.

But still, I agree with the good captain.  It is personal responsibility to recognize when one is a slave and do what needs to be done to stop that.  However, being aware of all the horrible things one's govt does can become a problem.  It's really easy to get wholly absorbed in that reality and be consumed by it.

All that you say about NWO seems to be the traditional mass manipulation. You can see in ancient Rome, middle age kingdoms or recent european history...they are not so well organized, they are drunk of power but are ignorant of the meaning of life. If you like history you will find lots conspiracies...even more sophisticated. I have no doub there are many conspiracies running now (as always) and we have only one way to scape...self evolution.

Humanity is tainted.  Expect tainted results.

I'm all for "self-evolution" though.

Wow, Xanth. I'm surprised of your skepticism of the NWO. You have really good insight into AP which is nothing but fairy tales to most people, but the NWO is speculation? This thread is really good. People are hitting on different topics, but not tying them together. MY OPINION - astral projection, greys, reptilians, the NWO, crop circles, all of this stuff that no one can explain - it's all linked to what lies beyond the physical world. I've never seen a UFO or an alien and never even had a dream about them, but I believe that they exist and that they are from higher dimensions. There is good and bad, light and dark, positive and negative in the universe, not just here in the physical Earth. The same BS we have to deal with in the physical occurs in the lower astral. Look at when you AP/lucid dream. At least for me, the situations take on physical-like properties similar to the physical. There is violence, anger, happiness, all of the emotions we have here exist in the lower astral. When you throw reincarnation into the mix, this explains some things. No one really knows how someone reincarnates. The general idea is that you (your higher self for lack of a better term) come back to the physical to learn something. But what are we here to learn? Some people think karma plays a role. I believe that it does, but who's to say if you're a killer in a past life, you won't be a killer in the next. We seem to believe if you screw up in this life, you will pay the price in the next. What has the upper hand, karma or free will? What if people knew this and knew that they could reincarnate indefinitely into the physical? Their goal is not to come and learn and move on to bigger and better things, but to stay here and control the physical. If I we're born and immediately from birth taught about my past life and that this life is a continuation from the previous one, I would continue to build upon my deeds. The current banking and monetary systems of the world can be traced back to Meyer Rothschild (I think that was his name, a Rothschild nonetheless). He was a goldsmith. I'm not going to go into details about how that family rose to power. There are some really good You Tube videos about it. They have controlled banking in Europe for hundreds of years. I read somewhere (I can't remember the source) that this family has their own sperm bank. Think about it. They are selectively keeping the DNA of Ol' Meyer going and they don't even have to do it the old fashioned way anymore. And he is continually reborn into this world to resume is place. This practice is performed by people in power all over the world. The Bush family, Obama, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, the queen of England, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, they are all related by blood. They all share that same bloodline. This is well documented. Alex Jones did a documentary about Bohemian Grove. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. The people in power draw their energy from the "dark side" or as we might call it, negative energy. There is evidence of this all over the internet. You are not going to hear this in the media. The media is nothing but a tool of the NWO to keep people mindlessly occupied and not aware of what is going on. The modern NOW has its roots with the Rothschilds, but the general idea has been going on for thousands of years. It's nothing new to humanity, except now they are about to realize their goal of one world government rules by them. It can be stopped though, simply by people waking up to the true reality. If more people would just learn to AP, the world would be a better place. 

Quote(1776) was a scam.  We never won anything, it was just the UK setting up a new colony to transfer power.

Not that I'm interested, but I heard that Washington and co. were a branch of the freemasons that conflicted with the European freemasons, and they purposely split apart. It happens sometimes because freemasonry is more of a system than a unified group. But ultimately it seems the European group regained control of the US. This happens because freemasonry is inherently a system of control based in secrecy, so the dominant freemasons are always the worst.

But I've heard a lot of stories. The formation of the US seems to have been planned by a few different groups, quite a while before Columbus took off.

Anyway we're going off on a tangent again. The guys running the world are just doing the same stuff we're doing here. Little things like telepathy, mind tricks, projection. And they're not different from us except in their role in society. They were sub-consciously chosen by the public to do all the crazy things people desire to see done.

(side note: Watch as Picard's karma goes down when he argues with Xanth)

Let threads such as this serve as an example of what happens when trolls get any attention - absolute disaster.


kind regards,

Paul

You are correct personalreality, 1776 was for the most part a scam, Britain still retained much power throught the US and the world. As for Xanth, you are denying the existence of laws which are real and passed and even publicised. You deny that families such as the Rothschild and Rockefellers dont all weild powerful positions in society and that they have never been caught committing crimes. Historically and in the modern times, the super-rich, super powerful rulers of our society have been nothing but a mafia, and the crimes against humanity they commit are still continuing today in our modern wars and events. The NWO is far from one theory really, its about their influence in several different branches of life, and is made up of several "theories", many of which have become common fact. Some people think aliens control the NWO, maybe they do, but I don't personally believe that. But to say the "NWO" isn't happening at all is what is conjecture.

Quote from: vipassana on May 04, 2010, 23:17:37
Wow, Xanth. I'm surprised of your skepticism of the NWO. You have really good insight into AP which is nothing but fairy tales to most people, but the NWO is speculation?

I have proved Astral Projection to myself.
So far, I haven't read one bit of NWO information that wasn't speculation or conjecture.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 05, 2010, 03:50:47
But to say the "NWO" isn't happening at all is what is conjecture.

I'm not saying a "one world government" is conjecture.  And I'm not saying it's not happening nor is it ever going to happen.  I'm saying what YOU call the NWO or Illuminati, hasn't been proven to exist.  

Please, don't put words in my mouth.

Quote from: Tiny on May 05, 2010, 03:39:31
Let threads such as this serve as an example of what happens when trolls get any attention - absolute disaster.

Tiny, who's the troll here... the person making contributions to a thread, or the person posting yelling TROLL?
You might want to consider that distinction before harassing me again.

~Ryan  :)

This troll crap is getting old.

Either PM a moderator and plead your case or just stop talking about it.

If you don't like what someone has to say and don't think you can constructively dispute it, ignore it.

Im not gonna argue anymore, the Illuminati families have been around for centuries and are still very much around holding positions of power within society. Them and there families existence is not open to debate. The only thing you might call conjecture is that they are evil. I believe their actions demonstrate that they are and are planning to rule and control the world even more. If you are saying Rothschilds and Rockefellers etc etc etc are good and have humanity's best interests at heart fine, that deffinilty goes against what the evidence would suggest. If you are trying to say they literally don't exist, then I dont know what to say other than that your ignoring reality so it fits your own world view. It is well documented that the Rothschild took control of Britain financially during the Napoleonic Wars and never lost that power, just as its well documented that the Rockefellers have consistently funded eugenics, abortion and population control agendas. They have started most of the major banks, oil corporations, and even the Council of Foreign Relations. They have more power and sway then the government itself, and they have demonstrated this time and time again. As I said Xanth, you have not researched excrement all about this, clearly. Instead of sending my angry PMs, why dont you actually debunk the gulf of tonkin or anything I have said. You will see that you will have a hard time when you actually research instead of arguing with me superficially. So you admit the OWG is real now, but the NWO isn't. I personally dont think killing people in wars and false flag terrorist attacks, and violating civil rights and liberties is a good thing, so the OWG is acting exactly like the NWO, whats the difference? The Federal Reserve admitted they caused the last economic depression, who do you think caused it this time? It was no accident. Most of this info isn't even fringe, you simply just connect the dots, so sorry if you come off ignorant to me.

sorry, didn't mean to stir up all this
:-(

don't stress it missy.

things have been heating up a bit around here lately in general.  if it wasn't in this thread, it would be in another one.

and capt. i agree....though i am in the interdimensional alien beings controlling it all club.

As I said in my PM... which was actually quite civil (please don't project your anger and frustrations onto me).

When you're ready to discuss things without the emotional outbursts, we'll continue this.

:)

Quote from: Xanth on May 05, 2010, 09:12:06So far, I haven't read one bit of NWO information that wasn't speculation or conjecture. I'm not saying a "one world government" is conjecture.  And I'm not saying it's not happening nor is it ever going to happen.  I'm saying what YOU call the NWO or Illuminati, hasn't been proven to exist.

Six months ago, I would have agreed with you 100%. I uncovered this on my own over two years of connecting the dots. It's just recently that I made the connection. Learning about astral projection is what led me here. And in fact this forum contains a lot of "dots". The information is out there.   

Quotesorry, didn't mean to stir up all this

Don't sweat it. This is something that needs to be talked about, even if it is a bit heated. This stuff is not easy to accept. I would never expect anyone to believe this. Like Xanth said, you have to prove it to yourself.

Quote from: missym on May 05, 2010, 15:31:41
sorry, didn't mean to stir up all this
:-(

I'm very glad you've touched on the topic (of ETs and UFOs) and shared with us your experences and I would hope you'll continue to do so.

The problem starts when people engage in arguments with the infantile minded part of the population of the internet who can't discuss topics such as this in a civilized manner, who haven't disciplined themselves enough to resist their urges to constantly add their nuisances whenever they feel aroused.
However, bullies, big mouths, trolls "agent provocateurs" can not survive in an environment where they are not heard.



kind regards,

Paul

Xanth, it is you who decided to play devil's advocate and continue to flamebait. Your PM's were nothing but insulting and demanding me to end this discussion and agree with you that is conjecture. I don't care if you don't believe it and Im made that clear enough times on here over the past few months, but Im sorry that your upset and resorting to childish behaviour because my opinion differs. Your last post was nothing but a cop out because you refuse to even look into this stuff yet still sit on here time after time critisizng others becuase they are informed on the current geopolitical situation. There something new agers call people like you, what is? Psychic vampire? Quit feeding off our energy and contribute for once, all you do is try to start arguments.

Xanth has contributed a great deal to this forum, look at his number of posts.  You dont get that many posts by hanging around a forum "trolling".  If you dont like what he says ignore him and respond to something else. 

His views, thoughts, opinions, beliefs or whatever aside, xanth deserves a degree of mutual respect for the time and effort he has put into doing his part to assist the people that come here for help.  He has contributed more here than almost anyone else, especially more than the people giving him crap lately.  I dont agree with half the stuff he says but I respect the energy that he has PUT INTO this forum (as opposed to 'sucking it out'), energy that he didnt have to share but did.

8-)

He contributes alot of arrogant remarks and misleading statements, thats all I see, apparently hanging around here trolling has gotten him plenty enough posts and "contribution"

Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 02:05:04
Xanth has contributed a great deal to this forum, look at his number of posts.  You dont get that many posts by hanging around a forum "trolling"

That's what Kurt said, and boy did he regret that
One wrong word to Xanth and his karma went down every 100 hours for almost a month

Kurt got out of line.

I like kurt, I still talk to him through email.

But he stepped over a line and isn't here anymore because of it.

Capt. we're cool so I don't wanna start anything with you, but you've been here for what, a month?  You have seen a very small amount of Xanth's contribution to this forum.

zareste.....

let's respect our common humanity.

we're supposedly the "enlightened" humans.

we should set the example.

we're the one's who are showing others how to go within to find truth.

let's cooperate and share some humility.

I agree with Xanth. There isn't much reliable information regarding a NWO. There's plently of information, but nothing very credible. People like Alex Jones heavily distort the facts to fit their model. When it started getting more attention in the early 80's, people were saying it would come fully into play by the late 80's. Then early 90's. Then 2000.

If there really is a NWO, they don't seem to have much power except in the information that people eat up because they don't like the world they live in. It's an easy answer to a complicated scenario.

PS - the internet is an awful place to try to get a bigger view of things. You'll find a lot of heavy, opinionated distortions.

Matt Damon

Matt Damon

Alex Jones radio station is owned by ABC, is he somehow part of it all and most likely a disinfo agent. But to say he distorts all the facts is wrong, most of his news articles on his website come from "legitimate" news websites. But I admit in his documentaries, he is a bit of a fear monger. Im not gonna bother arguing and sorry for getting so heated Xanth, but the evidence is overwhelming. I personally dont like the term "New world order", the NWO is far from one theory and more or less a grouping of theories regarding different government interests. Many of those theories are indeed fact. You dont need to read anything to know its at least partially true, just turn on the mainstream news and watch the propaganda fly, everything in our society is about corporate interests and many of those corporations do in fact have more power than the government itself. As I said, maybe some parts of the theories are outlandish, but the fact of the matter is they have passed laws like the Patriot Act and it takes no theories to see that this is an abomination to a free country and an abuse of power. The CIA wiretapping has been going on since before they even passed some of these laws. The Cheamtrails are even real and depending where you live you can see them everyday turning a sunny day into a cloudy one. The government denys the existence of chemtrails but admits that they are spraying barium and other heavy metals into the atmosphere to combat "global warming", another government lie that we know of thanks to climate gate. They make so many contradictions that in my opinion, the weight of evidence is on our government and corporate leader's backs, not ours, and they just can't justify the crimes theyve been committing.

Anyways, why do you think we don't like the world? I just think's the world better when you can live in it free, and if anyone honestly wants to say our government is freedom loving, that will require evidence. Its not enough for the weight of evidence to be on me, when the status quo is much harder to defend when it comes down to cold, hard facts. I have no problem with the world, just the oppressive human organizations currently running it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM

I wholeheartedly agree capt.

We are literally products owned by America Inc.  (not a metaphor, America is a publicly traded company)

When you see your name written in all CAPS on a legal document it is referring to the product you, not the you you.

We are slaves in this country, slaves to consumerism.  Our lives are forced to the brim with material concerns for the sole purpose of preventing proper spiritual development.  I wonder why?

You can't argue with that Xanth.  I don't know how they do things in Canada Town, but in a capitalist system they forces you to sit at your job 8 hours a day doing something you don't care about.

Ahh, if we only had replicators (the star trek kind, not the stargate kind)

Stookie, in my definition, NWO is just an convenient title, we're not waiting for it to happen, i has already happened.  It has been in effect for centuries,  millenia even.  What people have been tinkling themselves over is just the next evolution, they're waiting for 1984 to happen.  Naturally the world govt. (which already exists in my opinion) can't do it exactly like orwell said, it would be TOO obvious.

Take for example language.  In 1984 the ruling party limited the use of words so as to dumb down the populations ability to articulate their thoughts and feelings.......political correctness anyone?

QuoteAlex Jones radio station is owned by ABC, is he somehow part of it all and most likely a disinfo agent. But to say he distorts all the facts is wrong, most of his news articles on his website come from "legitimate" news websites.

True, but his interpretation is often heavily exaggerated to fit his view.

Quote
You dont need to read anything to know its at least partially true, just turn on the mainstream news and watch the propaganda fly, everything in our society is about corporate interests and many of those corporations do in fact have more power than the government itself.

I agree that corporations have a lot of say in congress through lobbying to create laws that push out smaller businesses. I don't deny that. But it points more towards greed. Corporate mainstream is out of control and it's crashing the economy.

Quotebut the fact of the matter is they have passed laws like the Patriot Act and it takes no theories to see that this is an abomination to a free country and an abuse of power.

Doesn't point to a conspiracy. It points to the arrogant Bush administration.

I agree (to a point) that those things go on. But I don't see any of it pointing to a larger, secret conspiracy. That's all conjecture fed as facts.

Quote
Anyways, why do you think we don't like the world? I just think's the world better when you can live in it free, and if anyone honestly wants to say our government is freedom loving, that will require evidence. Its not enough for the weight of evidence to be on me, when the status quo is much harder to defend when it comes down to cold, hard facts. I have no problem with the world, just the oppressive human organizations currently running it.

What exactly are they holding you back from doing?

Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 15:23:46
I wholeheartedly agree capt.

We are slaves in this country, slaves to consumerism.  Our lives are forced to the brim with material concerns for the sole purpose of preventing proper spiritual development.  I wonder why?

No one is forced to buy anything. It's our fault for liking crap. We have choices.

Quotebut in a capitalist system they forces you to sit at your job 8 hours a day doing something you don't care about.

Again, you're being fooled into thinking this. No one has to do that or is forced to. It's what we may be brought to think, but when you realize your free these concepts won't hold you back. The world is big and open and this type of thinking makes it small and jail-like. You don't have to buy. You don't have to work. You don't have to have 2.5 kids. It's a shame people think these things are necessary to live happily. It's not a conspiracy. It's bad parenting in a greedy, selfish society.

All in all, yes there are bad people out there doing bad things, but I'm not convinced (yet) that they're going to shackle us and put us on trains to camps. We have choices, and as soon as you think you don't have any when you do, you are already a slave to your own thinking.

In my heart, I'm punk-rock and will always be independent of others rules to society. F- em.

I know that we're not "forced" to (yet) live this way, but the structure of society is formulated to encourage this lifestyle.  We can sit here and talk about the freedom we have once we realize it, but most people don't realize it and aren't given an opportunity to.

Yes, I am agreeing with you on Alex Jones, Im just pointing out that most of the news articles he posts on his websites, do not involve his input and are tooken directly from real news sites. You agree that corporations are destroying the economy, well the corporations dont = conspiracy, because they are trying to hide the damage they have and are continuing to do. If the Patriot Act is just the Bush administration, why hasnt it been repealed? It is illegal under the constitution and helps confirm the NWO theory, it is a blatant violation of civil liberties and they can send a US citizen to guantanamo without a trial under its provisions.The presidents have no power of their own, its the same corporate interests controlling both Bush, and Obama's actions. They are stopping us from doing plenty of things actually, I live on my own, but I can't find work, unemployment is the highest in my county of my province. No money and they keep grouping us into cities. The direction they are moving in is to limit our travel and our wealth, and its working. You can think it is conjecture but there is more than enough evidence of all this being true, and it takes much more evidence that isnt there to prove it wrong.

Also, you say we aren't forced to live in this lifestyle, but how much open wilderness is there that isn't owned by some person/corporation/government. You could leave society and go live on your own, but sooner or later someone will find you and could charge you with trespassing and not paying your taxes for all the years you've been gone. Not as simple as you think to just up and leave society Stookie. As for PReal, what you said about the birth certificate and your name is spot on, as soon as you get a birth certificate or a SIN number, you are quite literally the property of corporate America.

Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 15:48:30
I know that we're not "forced" to (yet) live this way, but the structure of society is formulated to encourage this lifestyle.  We can sit here and talk about the freedom we have once we realize it, but most people don't realize it and aren't given an opportunity to.

It is a shame. But we're still responsible for ourselves. And if people don't realize that they are as much a part of it and keep blaming it on secret cabals, things will get REALLY bad. And I do believe that secret societies and things like that exist, but not to the point where they are master and we are slave. We are free and need to realize it instead of just assuming they have control over your life.

My point is to get people to think for themselves and not think what the internet tells them to think. You can have a very fun, enjoyable, free, big life, full of exploration. Or you can sit behind a desk and buy crap, or type and read on the internet all day.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 06, 2010, 16:02:46
Also, you say we aren't forced to live in this lifestyle, but how much open wilderness is there that isn't owned by some person/corporation/government. You could leave society and go live on your own, but sooner or later someone will find you and could charge you with trespassing and not paying your taxes for all the years you've been gone. Not as simple as you think to just up and leave society Stookie.

I'm not saying leave society. You can live within it, and by being creative and listening to your higher-self, you can still live how you want to. Yes, if you own property you have to pay taxes on it, but that is par for the course world-wide, not a conspiracy. Start making your own rules to life. Adopt your own philosophy. It's so simple that no one will do it. Probably because Frazier is on at the time.

Perhaps all we're trying to do is inform people that that sort of lifestyle you describe won't still be here for our children and grandchildren etc if we dont stop this government control now. If we were truly free the government wouldnt violate the constitution and our rights every day with all the new laws and crap they pass. If I were free I wouldnt be always getting harassed by the cops and searched randomly just for walking down the street, I dont buy the whole "if you have nothing to hide why should you care" because if you dont do anything they get used to minor violations of your rights, and make that a regular thing until the majority of the population sees nothing wrong with not having those rights at all anymore.

I love Frasier

Quote from: Stookie on May 06, 2010, 16:07:34
I'm not saying leave society. You can live within it, and by being creative and listening to your higher-self, you can still live how you want to. Yes, if you own property you have to pay taxes on it, but that is par for the course world-wide, not a conspiracy. Start making your own rules to life. Adopt your own philosophy. It's so simple that no one will do it. Probably because Frazier is on at the time.

Look up the income tax, that is a conspiracy, there has yet to be a law passed saying you must pay income tax, in fact, I believe the constitution forbids an income tax. Yet dont pay and watch the IRS and the SWAT team storm your house with automatic machine guns.

QuoteIf I were free I wouldnt be always getting harassed by the cops and searched randomly just for walking down the street

That's illegal in the US. You should get their badge number and report them. It's important to know your rights and let them know you know them. When I was younger I was harassed by cops from time to time. Half the time they were suspicious for good reason though - I hung out with some punk-butt kids.

QuoteYet dont pay and watch the IRS and the SWAT team storm your house with automatic machine guns.

No, you can evade taxes for a long time before they do anything. Sometimes up to 15 years, and then it's still court and fines and stuff. You can lose your house and become homeless, but they won't take heavy action like that. It's not police-state like.

QuoteI love Frasier

lol

It's all good guys. I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong. I love good debate and wanted to get this thread back on track. And I didn't, because it's about GREYS!  :evil:

Thats just it, you think its illegal but they dont care, and many, many times cops have refused to give their badge numbers, once after we watched a cop beat up a 16 year old girl because she wouldnt allow them to search her apartment without a warrant. Unless you have your own camera recording directly to a live internet feed, or you record the conversation secretly, they can and will get away with whatever they want. This stuff happens stookie, and under the partriot act and other laws since, cops are encouraged to participate in this unlawful behaviour. A video showing police anti-terrorism training on the internet, even has the instructor argue that the founding fathers of the USA were terrorists. And it is well documented the police state tactics used to some tax evaders and protestors. You are probly right, they dont usually storm the house but it happened plenty of times nonetheless, and even so, you say they take you to court and fine you, for taxes that you dont legally have to pay! I just dont see the excuses being of any value, people say we are turning into a police state, then I go out and see it for myself, I can see the news propaganda for myself. So much of this I and other people can see for themselves.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_world_cultures_traditions_and_religions/north_korea_why-t30978.0.html;msg253786#msg253786

QuoteTo me a police state is when you have to notify authorities everywhere you go, constantly go through road and pedestrian check points and get searched, have random searches of your home, etc. It's weird that people are always trying to tell me that's the country I live in, because I've NEVER experienced any of that stuff.

I went on a cross-country road trip with a friend and the whole time we were talking about Alex Jones (I have a lot of it documented) and we were trying to find examples of the NWO and police state he was talking about. (That wasn't the main point of the trip - freedom was). In 30+ states we didn't find anything that resembled it, and weren't hassled or pulled over for being out of state, or for anything. I've been to other countries as well, and it's a beautiful world to experience. You can spend your time complaining about the world and who is in control, or you can be in control and go do everything you want to do. No one is stopping you. Except maybe your mom or wife or something.

So, to anyone thinking they are a slave, go out into the world and travel and see things with your own eyes, then make your decision. From what I can gather, what you see on the internet and youtube is as much propaganda as the national news. If you haven't done much traveling (outside of family vacation), DO IT NOW, WHILE YOU ARE YOUNG.

Sorry, I just had to post that... ;)
Guess who posted it?  Don't click on the link until you guess!!  :)

Im gonna guess it was Stookie, Im not sure the relevance of that though, apparently people dont think the police state needs to be stopped until its fully operational and too late at that point. From my experiences with authorities, there is no doubt in my mind that we are moving in that direction, I also see random police checkpoints set up on the road at least once a month in my town, I drove through one of these unconstituional checkpoints and got the hell questioned out of me.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 06, 2010, 16:30:17Thats just it, you think its illegal but they dont care, and many, many times cops have refused to give their badge numbers, once after we watched a cop beat up a 16 year old girl because she wouldnt allow them to search her apartment without a warrant. Unless you have your own camera recording directly to a live internet feed, or you record the conversation secretly, they can and will get away with whatever they want. This stuff happens stookie, and under the partriot act and other laws since, cops are encouraged to participate in this unlawful behaviour. A video showing police anti-terrorism training on the internet, even has the instructor argue that the founding fathers of the USA were terrorists. And it is well documented the police state tactics used to some tax evaders and protestors. You are probly right, they dont usually storm the house but it happened plenty of times nonetheless, and even so, you say they take you to court and fine you, for taxes that you dont legally have to pay! I just dont see the excuses being of any value, people say we are turning into a police state, then I go out and see it for myself, I can see the news propaganda for myself. So much of this I and other people can see for themselves.

Quick explanation of Xanth and Stookie's behavior:
- An unknowing person says "really?"
- A guilty person says "no we didn't"

Which are they? This is something I learned when I spent years trying to 'educate' people. They are not innocent - they know what's going on, they know who's dying and who's doing the killing. They are criminals

Someone mentioned "Police State" and that post of Stookie's came to mind.  I thought it might have provided some extra insight... I was wrong. :/

Anyways!

Quote from: Stookie on May 06, 2010, 16:15:12
It's all good guys. I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong. I love good debate and wanted to get this thread back on track. And I didn't, because it's about GREYS!  :evil:

What was the original topic anyways?
What about Greys?

It seems as though none of the world exists outside of my experience here and now. I've never been up close and personal with the NWO or greys. I wish I could meet a grey. Has anyone here ever consciously made an attempt to contact them via AP and had success?

Another thought about the NWO (for lack of a better term); No matter what you believe, keep an open mind to the possibility. We all did for AP and now it is a reality. Just because we don't see, doesn't mean there isn't something to be seen.

The NWO discussion would probably fit better in the 2012 category. Just for future reference because I'm sure this is not the last we will discuss this subject.

yea, this thread should be moved since the turn it's taken.

vipassana, you ought to email kurt.

you can do it through his website, http://mindbasedtechnology.com

From Kurt's particular scale and position in reality, interaction with alien entities known as greys is a common occurrence.  This experience may not hold true from anyone else's scale and position (ie perspective).

Perhaps some people are delusional.  I wont say who I think the delusional ones are......good morning Dave.  :lol:

Quote from: personalreality on May 06, 2010, 22:23:49
yea, this thread should be moved since the turn it's taken.

vipassana, you ought to email kurt.

you can do it through his website, http://mindbasedtechnology.com

he has a lot of experience with greys.

You should edit that a bit...      ... he THINKS he does.

I only have experience with the reds and blues.

Thats Funny.

I'm color-blind so they're all grey to me.

Quote from: personalreality on May 07, 2010, 00:28:52
I'm color-blind so they're all grey to me.

good point, maybe we should start asking abductees if they're color blind or not in interviews so we know if we actually have the right alien race

I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way, but it's upsetting to hear people talking about how we are not free when in fact we are the luckiest people in the world to live where we do. :-(
There are starving families all over the world, places where children care for themselves and starve to death, where people get raped and abused and murdered on a daily basis and there is NOBODY to do anything about it, nobody who even CARES.
Please don't say that this happens here. :-(

Obviously it does happen(murders, rape, etc.), but there are people who investigate and try to find murderers and sentence them, whereas in some places of the world nobody tries to help or even wants to help. Children are dying painful deaths due to disease, literally as we are typing.
Most of the world is living in poverty, which in turn leads to acts of violence, rape, murder, diseases, starvation, just horrible horrible things.
I'm not denying the existance of a government which may or may not be planning conspiracies, but to say we are not FREE and saying how horrible our government is, is IMO overlooking the fact that we are indeed the luckiest people in the world.. How about instead of planning a revoloution against the government and finding reasons to hate it so much, plan a group that supplies children with food? Or families with livestock? Or people with immunizations? There are bigger problems to worry about..

Please don't jump at me for saying all of that.. it's just how I feel and I don't mean to offend anybody if I did.

On a side note,

:lol: @ PR

Immunizations... there's plenty of NWO stuff concerning those too lol. Anyways, the point is with globalization, it costs too much for many corporations to continue to pay for our freedoms in terms of decent wages. They want to deindustrialize much of the western world though debt and economic depressions. The whole point of trying to spread awareness of the NWO is to let people know, these freedoms we think we have are being planned on being taken away. Sorry for going off topic again but I can't think about anything more to discuss about the greys. I remember hearing about certain doctor(s) removing "implants" which somehow stopped the body from having an immune reaction to the foreign object. They are supposedly removed from people who have experienced alien abductions. Anyone know about the legitimacy of this?

When I was a kid, I watched the episode of X-Files where Scully has a chip removed from her after being abducted and she tries to scan it on a grocery store scanner.  I watched it at a friend's house and his dad told me he had been abducted and had an implant in his finger and showed me this bump on his finger.  I later found out that it was a piece of metal that he had gotten stuck under his skin as a kid.

But it scared the crap out of me for a few days.

Quote from: missym on May 07, 2010, 01:00:10
I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way, but it's upsetting to hear people talking about how we are not free when in fact we are the luckiest people in the world to live where we do. :-(
There are starving families all over the world, places where children care for themselves and starve to death, where people get raped and abused and murdered on a daily basis and there is NOBODY to do anything about it, nobody who even CARES.
Please don't say that this happens here. :-(

Obviously it does happen(murders, rape, etc.), but there are people who investigate and try to find murderers and sentence them, whereas in some places of the world nobody tries to help or even wants to help. Children are dying painful deaths due to disease, literally as we are typing.
Most of the world is living in poverty, which in turn leads to acts of violence, rape, murder, diseases, starvation, just horrible horrible things.
I'm not denying the existance of a government which may or may not be planning conspiracies, but to say we are not FREE and saying how horrible our government is, is IMO overlooking the fact that we are indeed the luckiest people in the world.. How about instead of planning a revoloution against the government and finding reasons to hate it so much, plan a group that supplies children with food? Or families with livestock? Or people with immunizations? There are bigger problems to worry about..

Please don't jump at me for saying all of that.. it's just how I feel and I don't mean to offend anybody if I did.

I'm with ya missym!  Paranoia is a scary thing and you feeling like you are going to be attacked for your opinion is even more scary to me.  :-o

I say that because I know it's a very touchy topic, and I know that many people have very strong opinions on the subject :-)

I just wish people could see that their own personal feelings will do nothing to stop what is coming, freedom implys a responsibility to keeping government in check, and no matter your reasoning, you cant deny that almost all of us cop-out on our responsibilities to society. Our governments are that horrible, they have committed atrocities around the world, just because they hide it from us dosent mean they arent or havent committed horrible crimes on us. And some ghettos in the USA are compared to third world conditions, economic collapse has (1929) and will happen to us again. I just don`t understand why some think ignoring this stuff will make it go away, the hard cold facts is it wont until we reinstall a fair government, one that follows the constitution and a Republic model. Its not paranoia despite what you choose to think. How do you think other parts of the world got to such horrible conditions? Through economic threats. We won't fund you and give you loans from the world bank, unless you allow our corporate friends to access your country's resources. Then the country ends up with inflated worthless currency and no resources to make money back. When we know this has already happened to much of the world, why the hell would we sit back and allow it to happen here too? Anyways, Im sure there was a specific doctor claiming to remove these implants, nobody knows anything about this?

It's up to you  if you want to spend your time worry about it and getting yourself all worked up, but to me, it isn't worth it. 

There are examples of greed all over the world, I certainly don't think that everyone that works for or with the Govt are greedy, evil people.  I don't care for the current administration right now, but I know if I give over my energy by obsessing over it, it will do nothing but create the very thing I expect and I don't want that.  :lol:  I'm not ignorant, just selective of what I give my energy to now.

*sigh* forget it, it is that mindset that keeps the NWO strong and going, but its clear that its pointless discussing this with people who dont give a crap who is dying or suffering as long as its not themselves.

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 07, 2010, 17:29:00
*sigh* forget it, it is that mindset that keeps the NWO strong and going, but its clear that its pointless discussing this with people who dont give a crap who is dying or suffering as long as its not themselves.

Awww come on, no need to sigh and it's a bit rude for you to even think that I don't care.  What is it you are doing to help these dying or suffering people?  Why is it the Govt's fault alone?  I just don't get the almost fanatical hatred of the Govt. you seem to have. 

Of course you dont get it, it requires indepedant research to get it, im not being rude im sighing because everyone keeps complaining about this thread being so off-topic, and yet these people who are skeptical/dont care about the NWO wont stop posting more comments on it. Either way it seems im the bad guy here. You sound like a government worker or someone from the news the way you think I have a fanatical hatred for the government, it is they who have a fanatical hatred towards us and our freedoms and the constitution. They are the extremist, since when is believing in freedom and the constitution fanatical? Maybe under new terrorist laws passed since 9/11, but those laws were clearly fanatically against us. Im not an anarchist or anti-government, I am against this government becuase they disrespect the constitution and our civil liberties, which if you forgot, is the supreme law of the USA. *SSSIIIIGGGGHHHH* back to topic yet?

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 07, 2010, 18:26:37
Of course you dont get it, it requires indepedant research to get it, im not being rude im sighing because everyone keeps complaining about this thread being so off-topic, and yet these people who are skeptical/dont care about the NWO wont stop posting more comments on it. Either way it seems im the bad guy here. You sound like a government worker or someone from the news the way you think I have a fanatical hatred for the government, it is they who have a fanatical hatred towards us and our freedoms and the constitution. Im not an anarchist or anti-government, I am against this government becuase they disrespect the constitution and our civil liberties, which if you forgot, is the supreme law of the USA. *SSSIIIIGGGGHHHH* back to topic yet?

lol Why so condescending?

You being the bad guy never even enter my mind, and no, I'm not a govt. worker...LOL whatever that means.  I am just another person living day to day just like you, that happens to think blaming the govt for everything is wasteful, that's all.  Yes we did get off subject.  Soooooo.. I've had one experience, long ago that I would say was an alien encounter.  Thankfully I've never been abducted, though, sleep paralysis feels a hellofalot like what people describe.

Quote from: Naykid on May 07, 2010, 17:35:12Awww come on, no need to sigh and it's a bit rude for you to even think that I don't care.  What is it you are doing to help these dying or suffering people?  Why is it the Govt's fault alone?  I just don't get the almost fanatical hatred of the Govt. you seem to have.

There's a quick and easy solution. People like you won't like it though

Quote from: zareste on May 07, 2010, 19:22:17
There's a quick and easy solution. People like you won't like it though

People like me?? I'm am totally curious now.. Do tell!! 

How about a little internal locus of control?

One's "locus" (Latin for "place" or "location") can either be internal (meaning the person believes that they control their life) or external (meaning they believe that their environment, some higher power, or other people control their decisions and their life).

Im sorry if you think its wasteful to blame the government, im sorry if im beng condesending, but from my perspective it is you that is being condensending, because there is so much proven facts about this, even looking at current events without the mainstream bias is enough to realize it is true. I didn't say you are a government worker, I said you sound like one, and it is clear by your responses that the propaganda techniques of the mainstream media have rubbed off on you. Anyways, Im taking the heat for continuing this NWO duscusion apparently (not the people being fanatically skeptical about documented facts), so I'll say what I said before, if you wish to live in ignorance and be lazy and skeptical instead of doing your own research, be my guest, but I dont want to argue anymore.

Double post, sorry >_<

Quote from: Capt. Picard on May 08, 2010, 03:01:22
Im sorry if you think its wasteful to blame the government, im sorry if im beng condesending, but from my perspective it is you that is being condensending, because there is so much proven facts about this, even looking at current events without the mainstream bias is enough to realize it is true. I didn't say you are a government worker, I said you sound like one, and it is clear by your responses that the propaganda techniques of the mainstream media have rubbed off on you. Anyways, Im taking the heat for continuing this NWO duscusion apparently (not the people being fanatically skeptical about documented facts), so I'll say what I said before, if you wish to live in ignorance and be lazy and skeptical instead of doing your own research, be my guest, but I dont want to argue anymore.

Who's arguing, I'm asking questions, but I agree this will get no where.  We will simply have to agree to disagree.

Quote from: Tiny on May 01, 2010, 19:56:47
Dear missym,

I've come to read a few reports showing that apparently they are very afraid of the name of Jesus. Next time, try crying out for Jesus (you don't have to believe it) or voice the Lord's Prayer. This according to some reports seems to frighten them out of their skin. There are some abductees who instantly have had their abduction abborted and returned to their bodies.

The 'Greys' groups are in a desperate struggle to survive themselves (which is no excuse for the atrocities they are comiting), stealing taking over human bodies in society. They apparently believe this is their greatest chance of survival.
There's a very odd phenomenon associated with the greys in human bodies: the appear to be able to turn their eyes completly black.
It would appear obvious that the astral/etheric Greys and Reptilians are much less dangerous than the ones who still have a physical body and all the advanced technology at their undeserving hands.
I believe there is an ancreasing number of astral aliens since daily a lot of aliens die in UFO battles that humans can not see because they operate in the infrared, outside of the frequency of visible light. However they can and have been observed shooting each other down using third-generation binoculars at night.
They can also be observed by skilled clairvoyants. I have occasionally, accidentally seen the aliens and their crafts on some occasions.


kind regards,

Paul

This is true. Greys are afraid of Jesus and God. Some even believe them to be the Nephilim, the spawns of demons.

Quote from: The Doctor on May 09, 2010, 05:59:48
This is true. Greys are afraid of Jesus and God. Some even believe them to be the Nephilim, the spawns of demons.

It's not *true*.
It's assumed around their beliefs.

Please recognize the difference.  :)

~Ryan

guys I heard if you scream the name of Buddha they get really scared and cower in fear, you don't have to believe in Buddhism at all, or even believe in Buddha, just scream that word and they'll go scampering away

I sort of don't believe any words would scare greys away during an abduction...

Quote from: Xanth on May 09, 2010, 12:52:13
It's not *true*.
It's assumed around their beliefs.

Please recognize the difference.  :)

~Ryan

That was what I meant, it's a true belief.

And Nephilim doesn't necessarily imply "spawn of demons".  They are they spawn of humans and Annunaki, "those who from heaven to earth came", which could be aliens or gods, your choice.

In some writings they were considered to be reckless perhaps, but not the spawn of demons.

I guess my information is sketchy at best. But yes, you are quite right.

Here's some info.
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Nephilim.html

Every person is a corporation and every corporation is a person, that's the law.  That's why the Gov. have power over you.