"New" planet approaching?

[no_leaf_clover]

they'll do whatever they see is in our best interest. like i've said before, overpopulation is a big issue, and we haven't been behaving ourselves, either, what with all of these wars and tragedies, like the 'holy wars', and the holocaust, etc. so i believe not everybody is going to survive their coming.

i don't believe there will be anything we can do. trying to attack them would be completely pointless. they will *not* attack us with spaceships and laser beams, etc., but will either take us out with an artificial asteroid or poisoning of the water (those are the two choices that make most sense to me).. i don't even think we can launch an attack on them. we have enough trouble trying to launch and land a rover on mars. this is a planet beyond mars in an asteroid belt. there will most probably be communication between earth and nibiru before they come. zebrima has already posted an experience that may have been with an annunaki earlier in this post (the original topic, in fact..). so they may giving a spiritually advanced few million people a head's up, at least.

don't worry about it. look forward to it. they're coming to help us. humanity has gotten itself into a mess, and they're aiding us. if they decide that we should slim our population down some, death isn't so bad, either. each person that does will just ascend into the astral, and will later ascend beyond that. so billions of people may be suddenly enlightened, while whoever's left are given responsibility for earth for the next 3600 years or so. things arent going to be so bad.

is that all?? o.o

[Varner-LaPrade]

i was just wondering are the anunnaki peaceful.once they take control will they set up goverments for us.Will it be a theocracy,democracy,dictatorship.God forbid a communist regime.or will they let us decide and screw up like we always do.

[no_leaf_clover]

dude.. you should seriously read the books x.x.. you wouldn't have to ask so much if you did, man.

in the first book, sitchin explains that before the annunaki left earth because of their own feuding and problems, they set up kingdoms on earth and taught man how to farm and run civilizations, etc.

the annunaki have the same 'human' qualities as we do. they make mistakes, they cheat on their spouses, there are feuds between their families.. this is why they were eventually called back to nibiru: the planet was on its way back out into the far reaches of our system, and the heirarchy that they had set up for themselves was falling apart. so are they peaceful? it depends on what you mean. they may be more peaceful than we are, but im sure they have the occasional conflicts..

read the books dude! lol.. if you read the first book it would've answered most of your questions []

[LapSiLap]

if niburu is suppose to kill ppl we would have died 3600 yrs ago? []

[no_leaf_clover]

nibiru doesnt kill people (it's a planet), but last time it came around, people *did* die []

nibiru is a planet. i was the annunaki might kill off a bunch of people, as this is what prophecies point to, and we *are* getting a little overpopulated and out of control, especially in the last hundred years.

last time it came around, the earth was wrapping up an ice age, and the poles still had a good amount of extra ice on them. when nibiru's gravity started effecting us, these ice caps had large portions pulled off into the sea, causing great tsunamis and storms (the biblical flood). ziusudra (biblical noah) was the only one to survive.

all of this has already been posted in this topic.. read guys, before asking questions. if you don't want to search through all 4 pages, do a search through the posts with the search engine provided for the astral pulse.

[no_leaf_clover]

well, ziusudra and his wife and workers..

[Fat_Turkey]

I'm looking forward to this meeting but I am really really scared that people I know and love will be killed (I know they will ascend to the astral but I would be so damned lonely without them, I could go insane!). Now I have the sudden inspiration to start practicing OBE again and try to get out there and meet these guys!!

I've always wished for the truth about religion, God, etc., and now it seems it's right around the corner o_o.

Later
-FT

[Kiflarer]

hey fat turkey you said you didnt beleive in this... well i do too now this topic was and still is verry interesting and it gives me new reasons to train very hard and intensive but iam scared to die too and to see my friends die and all the people i love i just cant stand any other guys i lose anymore i cant stand that i just lost a friend in an accident he was my best and only ki teacher ver i will fight for him i will kick the butt of those greys and other aliens trying to harm us

[Fat_Turkey]

Kiflarer, I said I didn't believe in any "demonic war." Who says they will die by fighting? Who says there will be any fighting in the first place? It will most likely be a geological event caused by the annunaki that we can't control. Or something like that. And grays? Yeah well it would be fun beating the pulp out of the bastards but seriously, they are masters of telekinesis (apparantly), I mean, there's gotta be a reason why their heads are so huge.

I admit however, I did believe there was a war coming for some time. But really when I looked at what I was feeling I only felt a strange presence, like something alien (not space-alien, just, outside the norm []) was coming. Anyhoo I felt it would be significant, like most other people on the forums did (see kakkarot's post in Prophecy and Divination).

And when it comes down to it, I highly doubt that many humans would be able to fight the annunaki. Train as much as you want, I doubt you'll get ready in time.

I feel for your loss though. Losing a friend is extremely painful. About him being your only ki teacher though, I personally think that you should stray away from popular ki practices and look into the reality of things.

Later
-FT

[Kiflarer]

yes they realy are masters at telekinesis but what if they have more powers i mean it also looks like they can control people minds and if they hav such huge heads and are that smart why dont they come up with the idea of getting their big jelly butt out of the world

[MAYATNIK]

Topic - "New" planet approaching ?   My Channeled perspective.

Hi Everyone,
This is my first post on this site, having been recommended to it by a friend who is a member here - and I was attracted to this thread because of what I do..... You see, I am a channeler for the Pleiadians (like Barbara Marciniak, in her book "Bringers of the Dawn" - as distinct from Nancy Lieder, who channels for the Zeta Beings).  Yes, the Pleiadians are also 'aliens', coming to us from the Pleiades constellation as their name implies)  The messages I have been receiving by Telepathy this last 8 years on a regular daily basis - I have constant conscious (not trance) contact with my guide, KAREK - and she has been channeling through me information concerned with preparing people for what is yet to be in the dramatic changes the earth will soon undergo, as well as fitting together the 'jig-saw' pieces that other channelers as well as archaeologists, translaters of ancient texts and the like, plus many others in different fields, have been presenting to the world ever increasingly over the last 3 decades.  

Surprisingly, there is a massive correlation of facts - considering each person making the revelations received, or facts unearthed, has in virtually all cases been working alone and independently.  Even more surprising, is the fact that channelers especially (and many others too, from various fields) suddenly found themselves in the midst of new discoveries they could never have dreamed of - and in all the cases I have read of (which are many) they only LATER found out that others were discovering new frontiers of a similar awesome and devastatingly paradigm shifting nature.  I too was told an enormous amount that I had never dreamed of even before, and I certainly had never heard of the word 'channeler' let alone what one of those did !  It was only after months of being given information by Telepathy on a daily basis (in sessions often lasting up to 12 hours at a time, in 'conversation' with my guide, me asking many questions along the way) that my guide asked me to go to a bookshop and pick a book (it seemed to me at random) from a bookshelf.  What happened then was all the proof I ever needed (as if I needed any by that time, anyway!) - because, you see, I am Registered Blind and can only see clearly at 2 to 3 inches away from anything; from a distance I have no idea what subjects even there are on bookshelves and usually would have to ask the assistant to get me a book if I knew the title.  But, in this instance, I was told by my guide to simply walk up to the shelf as she directed, pass my hand along until she said, "stop" - and then extract the book at my fingertips.  The book I pulled out was on the very topic my guide had been discussing the previous night - and not only that but page after page throughout the book were things that I had already been told by my guide, and yet I'd never even been aware of the intricate details of Pyramid construction..... and up to the time of that information being relayed to me by Telepathy never explored that subject, nor had it crossed my mind to have interest in it.   That 'process' - my guide talking about something and then my being told by her to go to a large bookshop the next day and select a book in that seemingly 'random' manner repeated the proof over and over again; what I was receiving in my head had been written about by other channelers and also was being explored by non-channelers who's findings very closely correlated with what I had been told by my Pleiadian guide.   I obviously didn't NEED the books (it is extremly difficult for me to read anyway, and then only for very short periods - so I can't 'study' and learn the way that others can), but, as my guide explained..... my 'job' was going to be helping people to fit the pieces of the jig-saw puzzle together, and the books I could recommend to people therefore, since they contained the same (basic) information that was being channeled to me from Higher Realms, of Truth.  My life changed completely in 1995 from when I became Telepathic - and it can never be the same again, because now I 'know' the Truth of what it's all about.

The majority channelers and other field workers, academics and 'researchers' were likewise, as I was to discover, initially awestruck themselves by this sudden change of direction in their lives and what they were starting to experience.  Not only those who found they'd been 'chosen' as channelers by guides, but eminent professors, well respected academics and other 'career' people - mody risked their reputations (and credibility!) by telling people what they were discovering of things that rocked the establishment 'norm', or what they were having revealed to them even of other realms in such clarity and (as they subsequently found out LATER) close correlation with what others were bringing to light also.

So, as a Channeler, I can state here that what no_leaf_clover is saying about the need for people to read Sitchin's work is good advice - because Zecharia Sitchin covers most of the ground that is the background to all of what happened in the Creation of Man by the 'Gods' (the Annunaki), and a fair amount of  information about the planet Nibiru which WILL return as it has done many times to our Solar System, but sooner than Sitchin is prepared to assert.  Sitchin has his reasons for being coy on this, but as a Channeler I tell you that it will be soon - I have been given no 'date' for this, but my guide tells me that there is "just sufficient time" for what *I* need to do in preparation for its coming (personal preparations which I have well underway, as well as informing others in channelings concerning what needs to be thought about and discussed at this important time in earth's history).   So, I applaud the enthusiasm no_leaf_clover is putting into the very informative posts he gives on this website, and my guide also is pleased with what is being written and discussed.

Regarding the Zetatalk website, and the channelings from the 'Greys' (or Zeta Reticuli, to give them their proper name).  They do appear to have shot themselves in the foot, according to many skeptics who were waiting for such a slip as the 'failed' prediction date of May 15 for the Pole Shift.  Even many 'ditherers' have started to doubt the truth of that forthcoming event.   As I have said earlier, my guide has given me no 'date' for the Pole Shift - although, when that date was announced by Zetatalk, she did tell me it would NOT occur at that predicted time but that I was not to tell anyone this until now- and I was informed at that time by my guide KAREK simply this: "it will occur within the very near future however", and that - in her exact words - "All is going according to Plan".   In that case, you might well be sensibly thinking, is it not madness to have made that 'prediction'?   Because, anyone with any sense would realise that once the date has passed and nothing happened then the whole credibility of Zetatalk is questioned.  The Zeta, and even Nancy would know that!  So, why do it, why seemingly risk non-credibility?  It has to be considered, that Zetatalk isn't just about the Pole Shift - it is about the background to it all, and a wealth of information about Density, other Dimensions, predicted increase in earthquake and volcanic action (all of which have come to pass, and all still increasing dramatically).   The governments would seem to be playing this down, and little is reported in the Media, plus scientists twitch and squirm nervously as they deny any increase - but the ordinary people are beginning to find the information before it (mysteriously) disappears from websites, and many are reporting actual eyewitness accounts of horrific or extremely unusual 'events' that for some unknown reason are not making the News,  I would suggest that readers who have not read other parts of that site check it all out - there is much much more than just Pole Shift information, and all information is valuable to the 'open mind'.  There are several 'open minded' sites, such as Gibbon's Channeled Research site  http://jump.to/gibbon (which has literally thousands of articles by independent researchers on all manner of  related topics), plus www.poleshiftprepare.com (a UK website, formed several years ago).  Even what seems obvious 'mis-information' to the person coming to these things for the first time,  has its source in Truth.  True, there are some sites out there that promote so-called 'channelers' who have personal monetary gain or 'esteem' as their motivation, and it could be questioned as to just how 'accurate' their channelings really are, for some that I have seen have insights that have obviously been 'gleaned' sporadically and in a somewhat 'foggy' perception that does not speak of clear channeling, and certainly not in those cases where there is 'exclusivity' and and air of 'secrecy' and above-others attitude... there is also the question of how much is just to attract the guilible by including words like 'chakra', 'Pleiadian', 'Beings of Light'.  It is the overall content that counts, not the 'nice' window-dressing beguiling presentation.  But, Zetatalk is NOT one such site; it has been in existence - and consistent - since 1995.  So, the question for debate regarding the Zeta should be... WHY ?  Why, why..... considering these Beings are the very same Beings as the I.GI.GI who witnessed the Flood at the time of Noah (to use one of his many names - since there have been several accounts from not only Sumerian and later Babylonian sources, but other cultures too; each has its version).  The Zeta saw it all as the Flood happened (and, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, Inanna - who was aboard one of the spacecraft - cried out, it is reported, "Oh! My poor humans !" when she saw the effects of the flood); they saw from their spacecraft and are obviously therefore vastly more intelligent and evolved than Earthlings..... why should they do such a crass stupid thing as make one glaringly 'false' prediction, and risk the credibility of all the vast amount of information they have so far given to the earth via Nancy Lieder, their 'emissary' ?

I will tell you this, that although I am in no way connected with Zetatalk, do not channel for the Zeta (only the Pleiadians), I know how Nancy feels at each step - because in what I channel much is new, and challenges the 'norm'.  Yet I speak out, because that is my 'job', given to me by my guide.  If I do not speak the words given to me to say, then I am not a channel pure and simple.  So, I tell what is asked of me to say.  But, I wonder with each word what people will think.  And I get flack from the skeptics, as Nancy and any other channeler does.  We all do as we are asked, in giving information revealed to us, whether it is palatable or not.   There are things, however, that I am told - and it will apply to Nancy Lieder also - which I am not permitted to pass on at a particular time.  For a simple example, when I was told by my guide that May 15 would NOT be the actual date of the Pole Shift, but that people should be let believe it to be so, for there was a purpose behind that 'predicted date' given to Nancy to pass on - and, as it happened, the Zetatalk website subsequently explained the reason behind giving that date out (members can read all about it by visiting www.zetatalk.com and following the links after clicking on 'What's New' etc).  There is also another, more subtle, reason I am permitted to reveal at this time - and it is this:  Nothing is more inclined to get people talking and discussing than a 'scandal' or supposed 'fraud' - and the 'debunkers' are coming out in their droves now, from behind the woodwork.  As KAREK told me, "All is going according to Plan"; there is a Higher Purpose behind all this, being played out by a combined 'Agenda' that is not obvious to the population at large on Earth - Thus, the saga continues, and many more interesting things are about to unfold.  So, we shall see what the scientists have to say then, seeing as they are making themselves high-profile now on this issue of the Pole Shift.

Dealing with the point rased about 2012 and the Mayan 'End Time'.  This refers to the end of the Grand Cycle, after millions of years the stars will at that time have made a complete revolution round the Great Central Sun - this is the culmination of many 'cycles' (known as the various 'ages of Man') that the Mayans knew about - because it was revealed to them by the Pleiadians who are the keepers of the Akashic records and the 'birthers' of evolutionary leaps into higher dimensions.  What 2012 is about is the sweeping-hand of the Photon Band fully engulfing earth in its cosmic energy at that time, which will have great impact on the genetic structure of our bodies as never before in the history of Man.  We are children of the stars, and we are now 'coming of age'.  The process of the earth's ascension from 3rd Density will be ready for the 'birthers' (the Pleiadians) to play their part at that time.  Until then, the Pleiadians are here to oversee the 5 groups of Beings from different parts of our galaxy in what they do, and all of which actions (plus what is revealed by channelers) have to conform exactly to the rules of the 'Agenda' approved by the Galactic Council, for the good of Mankind - and, in fact, this 'policy' has been in force since the dawn of Man, to the effect of 'Non Interference' directly in Man's evolutionary stumblings, but only guiding and promting in the general direction.  Generally speaking, it is for Man to make his choices - so there is mis-information along with the Truth..... were it not so, then there could be no choice to make.  Without Darkness (ignorance) there can be no searching for enlightenment, without the notion of 'evil' there can be no concept of what is 'good'.  So it is, that the seeds are planted, and the Harvest will be reaped when the time is right - and that time is soon coming.  For this reason, we should encourage all to be 'open minded', to be inclusive rather than exclusive, to reject nothing per se but to examine and question everything with a positive attitude.  But, most of all, to follow our Intuition, at whatever level.  Only In that way can we arrive at the Truth, for the gems of Knowledge are often hidden in the mud of Man's confusion and his reluctance to be 'open' to all possibilities.  Man has continued instead, over the centuries, to be more and more 'conditioned' by society's 'norms' as laid down by those who have attained prominence, and 'norms' are espoused  especially by the Scientists and their 'closed world' views (now many of these so-called 'experts' are  even saying that the Pole Shift can not happen, or that if it did it would be so catastrophic that it would extinguish all life and vegetation on the planet - this despite the indisputable evidence that science has discovered in rock-strata showing quite clearly that at regular times in earth's geo-history there is the imprint of polarised molecules due to magnetic influence - pointing, in each of these strata found, towards the direction of the then differing North 'Pole' at each period, along with evidence of fossils and vegatation surviving it.....contradictory to what the 'mainstream' wishes the people to know, and so we have many cover-stories, such as 'global warming theories' to explain away what is being increasingly found and which demands answers).

So, yes - there will be a Pole Shift soon; that my guide assures me.  And there will be a considerable number of survivors, except in places where there will be massive Tidal Waves and the most violent earthquakes - that is why the Zeta are informing of 'Places of Safety' and what steps to take for the best, before and after - that is their 'job' at this time, to give the information that is needed, since government have no intention of even commenting.   What will not survive will be the present 'economic' system - all that will be swept away, due to a complete collapse of this civilization's 'linear' based' infrastructure.  And the world will return to a 'cyclic' way of life, peaceful small communities.  So, do not worry, for with each end there is a new beginning;  a New Dawn is breaking, it's first glimmer showing even now.  Now is the time to draw back the curtains of conditioning, the world has been asleep so long and in the darkness of ignorance in their 'closed world' view of seeing themselves as the only species created whilst, in reality, they have not yet reached the door of the kindergaten play-room that we call Earth.   Time to Awaken - we are truly children of the stars, and our 'parents' are out there waiting for us now to emerge and examine with an open mind and heart as that dawn sheds light on a new perspective in Man's evolution !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[RandomName]

Your right no-leaf, it was complete BS, I was talking about the wrong author and book [xx(]. Basically i was talking out of my butt on that one, sorry about that. But I am going to stand my ground on the new planet that is coming towards our solar system. THAT i am sure of. As for the universal theory, Ill admit this, it is a THEORY, meanign possibly wrong [|)] Anyway, swallowed my pride on that one[:I] Oh well, im leaving this topic before I say something stupid/misinformed to get me yelled at again []

[Combat Skill]

Why doesn't someone project into space and see this planet for themsleves?

[no_leaf_clover]

you got balls psi. figuratively, of course, if you're female [].

yay for mayatnik [] and what he says about sitchin not pin-pointing the exact date is true. i might have to go back and do a little more research on that date.

and combat skills... thats exactly what im planning on doing when i start obe'ing. so just sit tight for now unless somebody else has already been there and has some info.

[Combat Skill]

any new info onthis subject, anyone?

[no_leaf_clover]

i haven't heard anything new but i've heard some new concepts towards it.. due to recent events regarding debris, fluctuated storm systems, and unknown object spottings, and what mayatnik has posted, 2012 seems a big too distant for nibiru's arrival. nibiru may be here as soon as 2005, but no one can be certain.

in the 'demonic war continued' topic in the energy development board, vikram's been posted things that point at nibiru being the anti-christ. now, i'm atheist.. but i guess that doesn't matter to the anti-christ []

[neo]

if this planet is coming prepere i know alot of people say its peaceful but just remember people lie. it could be pure good or pure evil, it could even be aloud of bs so just prepere (just incase)[xx(]

[jacktheninja]

We are all fools, if you didn't create the universe, then you don't know what is and what isn't....therefore the only logical thing to do is prepare ourselves for all possibilities and wait it out.....does anyone know how to get rid of these damn popup ads??

[Mirador]

Wow! I just checked the readings on this post, almost thirteen hundred. Didn't realize so many of us are expecting the End of the World.

Mirador

[Mirador]

talking about the end of the world, I love it when my mentor pointing to all the children around with a big smile cracks: 'do you still think the world is coming to an end?

Mirador

[no_leaf_clover]

you may have noticed the views but did you read through all the posts? i dont really think any of them said anything about the world 'ending', per se.. must post []

[Faceless]

"this planet, why hasn't anyone seen it or reported it are the goverments of the world covering it up.With are telescopes we should be able to see it."

The tenth "object" was first discovered in the 70's. I call it "object" because at that time there was 2 views on what it could have been. Because of its huge size some astronomers believed it to be a small sun (a brown dwarf to exact), however others believed it to be a large planet because a brown dwarf would give off light... which this object doesnt.

The Russian government have discovered (I dont know when) a metalic structure thousands of years old and is directly linked with this 10th planet (I dont know exactly how). This structure is in an area covered with lethal amounts of radiation which is probably why it is only a recent discovery.

Just thought i'd add something...

[Parmenion]

ON THE SUBJECT OF NIBIRU
- and a very recent request for information by No Leaf Clover

No_Leaf_Clover (writing in the <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> thread) had expressed "extreme interest" regarding what Karek might be willing to reveal through myself using the Pendulum on the subject of Nibiru, Mayatnik has informed me.

Because Mayatnik is not now available to respond directly, I have been selected by his guide Karek (who is now working directly with me) to answer all enquiries using the Pendulum, through which Karek replies since I do not as yet have telepathic ability like Mayatnik does.  Mayatnik can simply channel the information, whereas I have to use, , the Pendulum to ask numerous questions in order to get the 'picture' in answer to an enquiry posed by a member.  This obviously takes much time, since the whole purpose of using the Pendulum is not to just 'accept' an answer as definitive but to continue questioning untill a good overview is obtained that I can then present to the reader both as a 'lesson' in how to question and also give the useful information that is the result of that session. – that is my assigned task by Karek for my present work here on this website.

In view of the fact that the question concerning Nibiru is a big one, covering many aspects for the reader to assimilate in order to get a good perspective on this, Mayatnik suggested that he could save me much time by himself researching links to websites where  I could then use the Pendulum to form questions based on the texts there.  I left this then to him in the meantime, saying that I would look at the data on those sites when he had made a list of them.

Mayatnik then proceeded to do this, but it was not untill over 2 hours of work later in compiling this list that he happened to notice the post by No_Leaf_Clover in <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK> had by this time been deleted.   Karek is not pleased that, after the amount of time involved already in this work, the question posed with extreme interest has been withdrawn, especially since many hours of further work had been planned to be willingly undertaken.

As a result, Karek has decided for information to be posted here, in the <"New" Planet Approaching> thread, for the benefit of members in general.

However, she does not consider it appropriate (since this is not a Pendulum related thread) to give an extensive Question/Answer session (any members interested in learning to use the Pendulum are referred to the appropriate threads in the Consciousness section:
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!>
(for Pendulum instruction)
and <QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK>
(for questions to put to the Pendulum)

Instead, a wide cross-section of links provided by Mayatnik are listed below for the readers to investigate themselves.  These links cover both websites that are skeptical or negative,  and websites that are Informative with a great deal of positive background that will give an unbiased picture.  This is a Free Will World, the Pleiadians inform us, and so all is allowed and should not be restricted from viewing. It is for the reader to make up their own mind, and this can only be done by reading as much as is available with a positive attitude.  So, thanks to Mayatnik, here is an excellent resource list of websites and articles on the Internet:

(below this is a short Q/A session – so before you jump to the links you may find the Q/A session beneficial for your exploration)

USEFUL WEBSITE LINKS TO INVESTIGATE

GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE
http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/  ...also: http://jump.to/gibbon
This is an excellent well-established site in the Netherlands (where Free Thinking is not repressed) and has hundreds of articles not only from Channeling sources, but also scientific and archaeological and other disciplines that give a wide unbiased picture for the reader who wants to know the Truth.
The website main page gives a 'menu' of links to articles, such as:
   Digitaria, Sorghum, Nibiru and Earth   (see also *extract* below)
   http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/digitaria.htm
which in turn contains links to further relevant articles on Nibiru (in this case), such as:
      Dogon and Sirius
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/dogon.htm
      Enki and Enlil – and the possible beginning of Mankind
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/enki_enlil.htm
      Solar System
      http://home.tiscali.nl/~gibbon/solarsystem.htm#vibrani
The "GIBBON's CHANNELING RESEARCH SITE" is the definitive site used by serious researchers who can then follow up the many references clearly given to reliable sources such as books and University Articles elsewhere.

The 'official' website of the Zeta Reticuli contains all the background to their involvement with the Earth at this time approaching the Pole Shift – not only Nibiru, but all aspects surrounding this event (where the governments stand in all of this, plus full details about 'density'  [4th to 6th Dimensions], and how teleportation and other higher technologies are used plus much more, so worth a good reading through the whole site to form a comprehensive picture.

ZETATALK Website  (and it's associated site "Troubled Times")
http://www.zetatalk.com/
The Zetatalk main page lists links down the left-hand panel to main sections.  Along the top are links to update sections, and the main page itself is in the form of a summary with embedded links.  Each link leads to a further page, a short article relevant to that topic (again with embedded link-words that in turn give onto another page of explanatory text).  Thus, the very large amount of information on the Zeta website is very easily accessible at a click of the mouse (the browser's back-arrow can at each stage return the reader to the previous higher-level page in this well thought out menu system).

POLE SHIFT PREPARE website:
www.poleshiftprepare.com
This well established website gives balanced information and editorial updates, plus scientific information and survival tips along with links to suppliers of items that will be vital in a forthcoming catyclism of whatever magnitude.

Yet more websites - here three of many such 'general' sites in this area:

CRYSTAL LINKS website:
http://crystallinks.com/nibiru.htm

PLANET X –  (from "Choices for Living" website)
http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/planetx.htm

EARTHFILES Website
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=483&category=Science

While it may seem a shortcut to just jump to the sites listed below that are in  opposition to the ones above to look at what the opposition call the nitty-gritty, it is worth mentioning that such sites only talk about a very small area of the whole subject whereas the above sites give a very broad picture and therefore put it into perspective since much that is discussed is far above the level of what is known by science, so the reader is advised to read as much as possible.

DENIAL OF NIBIRU AND THE POLE SHIFT websites:

Several websites have sprung up to throw scorn and skepticism on the whole thing and to denounce it.  These such are mainly 'science' oriented (based on their current knowledge, and pushed by the 'establishment' – although Free Thinking scientists have broken away from the restrictive science-dogma).  One of the leading adherents to the 'science based facts' in the "this can't be possible" camp, is Tim Goodness who gives links to sites that advocate such thinking – and these are listed below for the reader to peruse (the Pendulum will be found especially useful in checking 'facts' on these sites).......

TIM GOODNESS LINKS:    Planet X web sites:
Dr. Philip Plait's web site, Bad Astronomy:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/index.html
Planet X and the Pole Shift:
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/index.html
XFacts, Planet X page:
http://xfacts.com/planetx2003hype.html

REGARDING THE PENDULUM.....

PLEASE NOTE:  If any readers feel, in their perception, that the Pendulum is an unreliable tool for Divination of Truth, then apart from the hundreds of years that it has been consistently used with proven accuracy by Dowsers, the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!> thread was set up for [I[INSTRUCTION[/i] in its accurate usage, and quite a number of members are now gaining skill in its use by following the guidelines given in the thread.  But, if any member nevertheless feels strongly against its use (and a full carefull reading of Mayatnik's posts and other positive contributions in that thread is essential to understand what the Pendulum is really all about), then they are, of course, free to express this. However, I would respectfully suggest that the best way to do this is not by disrupting the positive flow of the thread and the progress of those who are keen to follow the Pendulum course  set out in that thread and for which purpose it exists.  Rather, it would be far more usefull to all if such dissenting members were to start their own thread to debate this, since the Pendulum thread by Mayatnik is NOT a debating thread but an Instruction thread and its efficacy to members is prevented by such negatively inspired intrusion, so for the benefit of all a separate thread by and for all such objectors is the best way forward for Free Will to be preserved.  Mayatnik would not dream, for example, of intruding into such as a Psychic Defense topic to denounce or otherwise seek to demean it – as there is a purpose in everything, and a place for everyone to pursue their path of enlightenment without oppression.  The only reason why this post is here in another section is purely to give POSITIVE reinforcement to the topic that this particular thread here discusses (hence the links to useful websites, and minimum Pendulum divination given).  It is up to the reader therefore, on a take it or leave it basis, whether they wish to follow the links or indeed take any notice of the short Pendulum Q/A session given below and which offers further enlightenment.

QUESTION – ANSWER SESSION follows:
(I am permitted to use the Pendulum to talk to Karek directly)

Have you, Karek, asked for this post to be set out in this way?
YES

Was it your intention to give answers on the subject of Nibiru?
YES

I understand that you have since decided that readers should investigate this for themselves in the main.  Is this so?
YES

Is this since the question by a particular member was deleted – effectively withdrawn – and other factors at this time?
YES

So, as a result you are not prepared to go into detail regarding what I might have asked concerning Nibiru?
NO

But, may I ask a few very general questions?
YES

And you will decide which of them I can make known?
YES

[I then asked a number of questions, and the ones I am permitted to use here are given below]

Does Nibiru exist?
YES

Do the ancient texts speak about its coming in those times?
YES

So those texts were accurate in their descriptions of this event. Is this correct?
YES

And is it on it's way again?
YES

Will similar events follow as described on the Zeta website?
YES

Will there be a Pole Shift?
YES

And there will be large-scale, Richter-15 earthquakes, , plus volcanic activity, in certain areas as detailed on the Zeta website?
YES

..... and Tidal Waves?
YES

Is this what happened at the time of Noah and the Flood?
YES

So, people can read about this to prepare, if they choose. Is this correct?
YES

Is this why the above links have been given at this time?
YES

Will there be mass panic at the time of the Pole Shift?
NO

Will people get adequate warning as the time approaches?
YES

So, they will know for sure?
YES

I understand that there will be 'signs' – as was given in the ancient texts, and has been further explained on the Zeta site – to indicate the time-frame of events. Is this correct?
YES

So, people can read and prepare?
YES

Are you willing to permit me to share any further information you have provided me with on the subject of Nibiru?  NO

But you had intended for me to share much more of this information prior to the post by No_Leaf_Clover being deleted? YES

It appears to be quite obvious that certain individuals are not happy to see the pendulum being used by members in a positive way to discover the truth for themselves? Is this the case?
YES

Neither MAYATNIK or myself have tried to discredit Psychic Defense or Astral Projection. Nor do we intend to.
NO

Thank you for your responses, Karek.  Is this reply ready to post now?
YES

With best regards,

Dave

[no_leaf_clover]

it seems that i have irritated either you or karek or both by deleting my post, yet you didn't seem to be curious as to why.

i noticed that you had edited your message and included how long it took you to get your answers, and this was after i had posted, so i took it that you were saying you'd rather not, etc. i guess i should've just gave you time to reply specifically to my post. so i was doing it out of respect for you after misinterpretting your post. i apologize for any misunderstandings i might have caused.

at least your post is now located under a thread that matches its contents. []

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thanks for posting the session. i was curious about more specific things, but i guess i blew that! the confirmations do help narrow down the theories, though, which there are many of with many variations. thanks again.

[Zebrima]

Hi again,

I thought it was about time to give a new reply to this post, since I haven't written anything for a long time although I've followed this post carefully the whole time.

First of all, I would like to point out that I don't think there are any complete answers to the more specific questions we have about Nibiru yet (for example when, where, how), one of the reasons is simply because we are not ready to hear them yet. There is still time, and it's not time for us to get that information yet, everything will come to us eventually when the time is closer. We have all been preparing ourselves for the return, although most of us without knowing, and the main thing we should all focus on right now is to continue to educate ourselves, investigate and prepare "body, mind and soul", but focus on the mental and spritual part.

We should remember, that most people don't even know a thing about Nibiru yet, or decide not to believe it or not to be interested in it. This is all in order, this is according to plan, there is still plenty of time left for them and their chosen path. For some of us who know about Nibiru and take time to prepare, investigate and take interest in the planet, our task will be to help, prepare and inform other people when the time is closer. This could be limited to our closest friends and family, but it could also be larger groups of people. Right now, we should just focus on learning and sorting out the information we receive. That's why some people think everything about this planet is rubbish, but still take a great deal of interest in it, spending much time reading, learning and investigate. This is the way for them not to panic, stay calm and focused, prepare themselves and try to get their own opinion about it.

The main things we should all keep in mind is indeed not to panic, stay calm and focused, prepare ourselves and try to get our own opinions about this. We need not to believe anyone expect ourselves and we need to be true to our own feelings and senses about Nibiru. There is a pure and higher meaning of the return and we can't stop it, and we really don't want to either - although the return may in many ways be frightening and seem "bad", the worst thing we can do is to panic and spread fear. This is another reason we don't get any clear answers about when, how, why, where etc. the planet will return.

I will share with you some of my thoughts and the information I've received, but please take your time evaluating it and then make of it whatever you want – I don't even know myself yet if this is what I believe, I just know that these are the feelings, information and thoughts I've got so far in my preparing process. It may very well change and the reason I want to share it with you is because I believe we have to inform and help each other as much as we can. But we still need to be critical to whatever information we get.

"Nibiru is on the return, but it will still take approx. 2 more years until this will be completely "confirmed". The return of the planet is a complex and long-term process, which won't be over in let's say a month or even a year. It will affect us in many ways (and it already has). The first phase of the return is the longest one and it's the phase going on right now. It's the phase of preparation. People, the earth and the universe have been preparing for at least 100 years for the return.

The second phase is coming up and this is the phase of confirmation. In this phase, it will be confirmed that Nibiru exists and that it's on it's way. There will be no way to deny it, we will even be able to see Nibiru clearly in the skies. This can be a very dangerous and frightening phase. Panic may occur and people might change their behaviours, personalities and their manners in a negative way. The earth will be affected too, but not as much as in the third phase. The second  phase will last for about 3 years.

The third phase is the completion phase. This phase is violent and affects the earth in many ways. It's during this phase that the predicted earth catastrophes, like floods, storms and quakes, the earth stop rotating and the pole shift will occur. It will be devastating, but it's no elimination. It's the beginning of a new world, a new phase (phase 4?) we have all been preparing ourselves for and looking forward to. This phase will alltogehter also take about 3 years, everything will not happen at once. At the end of this phase, the new earth will be created, and there will be peace and harmony."

We need to remember that we can affect these phases ourselves, primary the first and second phase. The outcoming and result of the second phase is in many ways connected to how we coped with and what happened in the first phase. I get the feeling that phase 2 is some kind of test of the humanity. It shows our true selves and if we cope well in this phase, this is a positive thing. Maybe this will also make the third phase less scaring and violent.

I haven't got much more information for you at this time. Details about what will happen during the second, but mainly the third (and fourth?) phase, are not given to me yet. But I get a feeling that we will somehow establish contact with Nibiru and other living forms (aliens?) at the end of this phase.

The vikings' myth about the destruction of earth, called "Ragnarok" has many similarities to the return of Nibiru. If you didn't know this already, then you might find it interesting to look up. I believe there is some information about it on the Internet.

Love and light,
Zebrima