Somethin VERY different !!!!!!!

[Tayesin]

Hi All,

Mustard,
I haven't changed my mind about the Mayatnik thread stuff, especially since the answers I got from the 'Zeta's' were not as detailed as I had hoped and they did not show anything that I did not already know, and in some cases was completely opposed to what I do know.  So the cautious doubts I had when I PM'd you are still relevent.

This was in no way intended to be like that thread, I just thought this was such a wild experience that it was worth sharing to get as many different views from people as possible.  So I think the motivations are very different.

Kazbadan,
I do not think it appropriate to share the particulars of those attacks I mentioned.  Suffice to say that some members have been experiencing psychic attack and some of them are attributed to the US government's mind control programs.  This dark haired man is one of the controllers who operates with some of these people, and he is not the slightest bit happy with my interference in their work.  So there is much more work to do in order to free these people from the connections and re-empower them to proceed strongly with their own lives.

Love Always.[]

[Dark Knight]

Thank you Tay, you just answered my question.

I am one of the people who is being afflicted by this "dark haired" man, who I have also seen dressed in a Santa Claus Outfit?!

I'm gonna post something soon, I just wanted to wait to hear some kind of "go ahead" from Tay that it would be all right to do (I'm not the only one here being afflicted, I didn't want to bring the house down unannounced).

Before I say anything else, I would like to ask one thing. Before all this nonsense happened to me, I hated conspiracy theories, nothing personal against people who study them. I was more interested in helping people heal, and I always thought conspiracy theories took the spotlight away from the suffering.

Whatever you choose to believe, is it asking much for some respect. I AM A HUMAN BEING, NOT A DAMN CONSPIRACY THEORY!

Right now, I have a personal problem of my own to attend to...a senior scientist at work wanted me to falsify results to get a project out by the due date even though it obviously didn't work. I refused but realised I had to find another job quickly. THank God, yesterday I did, longer drive but better money.


I'll write about what's happened to me after Tay has said OK.

[Dark Knight]

WHOAAAAA! Tay. Just realized I misread part of your post.

When you say, "don't share the details" do you mean "how it's actually done" or "generalities of what's happening to people"

Let me know before I screw up and help this guy inadvertently.

Tay, I learned how they destroy boundaries and people's identities, what I know could help other people heal. Is there a danger in what I am doing? How long should I wait?

[Nagual]

quote:some members have been experiencing psychic attack and some of them are attributed to the US government's mind control programs.

A stupid question: why would the US government be interested in attacking simple (no offense) people like you...?  If they really wanted to "harm" you, there are many easier/efficient way to do it than to use psy stuff...

[Dark Knight]

Although I'm cautious about referring to my situation as a "government scenario" (Sorry Tay, I still have to keep my mind open to other things...even though I can't deny certain things that have happened, I can't totally dismiss the government thing either) I may not be all that simple...and neither may a whole lot of other people (When Tayesin Ap'd to me and rammed heads with this Dark haired jerk, Tay told me via email that I was only one of many that these people had worked on).

Tay hasn't gotten a chance to really look into my case for specifics on how I was "chosen" but I have a few ideas on why.

I'm a grey abductee (sorry, I refuse to use the word Zeta). Before I discovered I was a grey abductee, I thought my purpose in life was to do two things. One: Become a good chemist and help where I could (it didn't have to be life altering fantastic or a cure for cancer, just a cog in the wheel). Second: Write a book on Race relations and teach people how to be more empathic and understanding with each other...how to break down the barriers that keep us all separate. Then the greys entered my life. I denied that they were actually picking me up for 5 years (had no scars, missing time, but very strange nightly encounters). Finally something happened where I couldn't deny it anymore. When i searched to find out why they just started picking me up all of a sudden, I was told (not sure on accuracy here, Tay, one more thing I need you to look into when you have time) that they were interested in my concepts of empathy and wanted me to teach them the "how" and "why."

Now before we get into the "specialness" horse*!@#, I would like to say something. I was not, nor do I ever believe that I was the sole teacher of the greys with regards to empathy and emotion (something I always used to yell at them...Emotions are not a criminal act). All abductees played a role in teaching them that lesson, and a hard often frightening one at that. But I do believe I had something to offer. It didn't come from a title, it came from my heart. Problem is people get all bent out of shape because 1) there are too many Cult figures seeking audiences for their own gain and 2) too many people are afraid because they can't dilineate between what's a title mentality and what is a heart driven mentality. So it's all lumped in one pile under "cult figure" and killed off just to be safe. I understand this fear, but I am getting tired of feeling like I have to constantly apologize for having a loving heart that cares. I get this attitude of "What makes you think you're special?" I keep wondering, "Why aren't we all capable of doing this?"

And with all do respect,...I have been raped, molested, brain washed, terrorized, my identity annihilated,...I'm not feeling very special. I feel like I'm less than an animal, not even ranking as a brand of cattle.

Were the twins Josef Mengele took out of line for use in his experiments "special"?

Whether you believe it's the government or not, I am being attacked, and my attacker is human. Don't you want to at least hear what I have been through first? (Tay when and how can I do this).

[Dark Knight]

Nagual,

In further answer to your question, Sorry, but if you're thinking of the things I think you are (killing me, putting me in jail, etc) I don't believe that would be the easier way at all. Too many questions would be raised.

The psy stuff is easier. No need to break in, no listening devices, nothing physical to say, "Look at what's happening to me." You're under their thumb 24/7. No one in the public believes in the psy stuff, but what if they found a listening device in my apt, what if I was killed mysteriously in a populated apt complex, or put in jail with a fake reason (books on finding people falsely accused of crimes seem to be the hit nowadays).

Driving someone insane so they can't function, having a piece of the attacker's energy carried inside of you at all times,...easier, cleaner, no questions asked because no one would believe it.

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by Nagual
A stupid question: why would the US government be interested in attacking simple (no offense) people like you...?  If they really wanted to "harm" you, there are many easier/efficient way to do it than to use psy stuff...

Hi Nagual,
it isn't about causing harm to anyone, in fact they do not care about doing that as it is a side-effect of their program.   They use people from all walks and sectors of communities, as you may remember, most of the people who have been used to attack and or do other atrocious things have all been un-knowns.  The perfect example was the man used to ensure that Australia was disarmed a few years ago, or even the Oklahoma bomber.  Each was a relatively unknown and supposedly unimportant member of the society.  As an aside to this, the mechanism used to trigger these people has been ULF transmissions.  it is recorded that many people felt the sensations of ULF transmissions in the weeks leading up to both events.  

There are more things going on around us in the everyday world than most people are aware of and Government based mind control programs have been in existence since the end of WW2, so they have had plenty of time to improve and refine their subversive methods.

Dark,
I did not want to give the details of anyone's experiences as it is a little like the doctor/patient confidentiality as far as I am concerned.  So I would not divulge any details on this forum, if you would like to share it then that is up to you as it is your choice.

And I would rather we keep the work we are doing together out of the forums, as it really is private work.  At least when you are on the other side of this you will be in a position to help people with similar problems, and then you will fulfill one of your intended tasks.

SO that's my 5 cents worth this time, C ya's

Love Always.[]

[Dark Knight]

OK,

I won't go into full blown detail then, it's just hard is all...

Part of what they do is destroy your boundaries/identity, I know how debilitating that is. I just wish on an empathy perspective I could describe some of the things I've been experienceing just so people can see it and know they're not crazy, horrible persons as these individuals try so hard to make you believe. There is a pattern to what they do, and how the identity is destroyed.

If the cancer symptoms are kept secret, how do you know if you have it or not?

Should I never talk about this or wait until I'm free and then do it. How can I help people if they don't know what's happening to them?

[Dark Knight]

Tay,

If you're telling me you believe McVeigh was brainwashed by a shadow US government to blow up the Murrah building, I think I'm going to need more proof before I believe that. [:I]

[jc84corvette]

What? No he was not!

[beavis]

I dont think any of us have enough info to say McVeigh was or was not brainwashed by the government.

[jc84corvette]

But why would they do it? Its murder.

[Nagual]

Sorry, but that made me smile... []
We all know the government is full of peacefull and honest persons that would never harm anyone in anyway... []

Back to my question: So, if as you said, they choose un-known people... why do you think they chose you?  Are you weak-minded and more easily brainwashable?  Are you someone with some kind of powers that could be used?  Famous scientist?  Do you have special access or know some people that they could have a use for?  What did they ask you to do so far?

BTW, with the nice little "patriot act" that our friend GW Bush voted, they could use the terrorist excuse and throw you in some secret jail without any trial and keep it secret and still be legal...  I don't see anything easier than that...

Also, why did the government try to use "normal" assasination technics on some oponents (which mostly failed) if they could use all the psi stuff?

[Dark Knight]

Nope, I disagree.

A lot of people are opposing the patriot act in America, and the news has had spreads on marches and lawyers going up against the government for picking people up with little or insufficient evidence against them. It's not a silent job.

Me? Powers? Good SCientist? Are you kidding? Well, actually I'm a great scientist but hardly Nobel material [^]. My third eye and other chakras were all clamped down long before I ever even ahd an interest in using them (I was open minded to psy abilities and UFO stuff, but it happened to other people, not me).

The only thing I'll volunteer is the typical UFO ClapTrap I was accustomed to hearing before all this happened to me. No one questions an assasination of a political figure, undesirable, etc (might object to it, but unfortunately not hard to imagine).

If people are suddenly put in jail or assasinated because they're alledgedly involved in the UFO stuff, well, isn't it almost validating something a little too unbelievable. Yeah, we had to throw her in jail, assasinate her, whatever, because these little grey people show up in ships, pick her and others like her up, and we have no control over it. Doing the psy stuff probably fights the greys, whoever, on their terms also, making things a helluva lot more difficult.

I was "forced" into doing things, I won't say what though because I made a promise.

I do have scars now, though, after 10 years of just night encounters. Needle marks are a little tougher to explain other than just AP delusions.

[dino333]

I haven't visited this topic in a while and now I see it's grown quite a bit, all the new stuff being extremely interesting. However, it only raises a question; what is this stuff about Mayatnik? Isn't (or wasn't) he a member of this forum? Anyways, best of luck with the attacks Dark (meaning I hope they stop soon).

[MJ-12]

zx

[Anonymous]

Exactly MJ-12, the federal building has a lot of holes in the supposed truth.  Actually, a couple years ago an engineer came out with a document stating all the flaws with the bombing.  1)  It was a federal building and amazing no federal workers were in the building that day.  That's kind of wierd don't you think.  A federal building with hundreds of federal agents all taking the day off.  2)  That crap about crap blowing up the building alongside one support pillar.  There is no way that one half ton truck full of crap could have takin out one pillar and that lead to the destruction of the building.  They actually did a test and re-created the event and it didn't work.  There would have had to have been other much stronger explosives on many other pillars.

He had more evidence but, I can't remember right off hand because I have lost the document somewhere in my file cabinet.

[Dark Knight]

Tay,

I won't discuss anything w/out your permission. But there is something about the Mayatnik threads that I'm suspicious of because of the data download I experienced last Feb/Mar.

Let me throw water on a potential fire, no, I am not going to level an accusation against someone and say "they're a g-goonie." I have absolutely no evidence or suspicion that Mayatnik is working for the government.

I am suspicious of the information that came through, and a perfectly innocent person can unintentionally transmit not so true info.

[Nagual]

Hey Dark Knight, you forgot to mention a little detail about yourself that I got from another of your posts...

quote:I'm a grey ET abductee
Yes, I'll reiterate, I'm an ET soul in human form.

Didn't you think this little detail was important in your governmental attackers story...?

[Tayesin]

Hi,

I agree with MJ and Follower, there is much more to these events than what we, the unimportant Plebs, are told.  It amazes me that in this day and age so many people still believe that their Governments would not do anything to harm them.  You Americans have seen with your own eyes the contempt that your government holds for you, witness the mass sprayings of the population with DDT back in the '50's I think it was, the very real possibility that your own Government had a lot to do with the 'White-Powder'events after 9/11 and so many other events that you could research for yourselves.  Furthermore, within the last two years wasn't legislation passed that allows the government to use the population, without their consent or knowing, as subjects in any form of military experiment, be it biological or other ?

Here in Australia we had an event occur that caused us to be disarmed almost completely.  The person used as the scapegoat was supposedly insane, although it has come to light that he was a part of the mind control program from the Tavestock Institute in London.  And the weapons he was supposed to have used had been surrendered to Police in Sydney two years before he somehow came to own them and alledgedly use in Tasmania.  These weapons were retreived by the Police and immediately destroyed, so we are told.

I have read expert testimony from my country's top military marksmen who claim that there had to have been at least four shooters to have made the killings in the time frame allowed !  Also, in the underground there has been a video floating around that shows two men in black suits casually standing at the door to where the majority of people where shot, at the exact time of the shootings.  One was videoing the event and in the footage you can also see another black-suited man inside the Cafe also recording the event on video.  By the way, the coroner's report on the more than 20 people killed in those few minutes shows that each was killed by head and heart shots, this goes against the governments press release that the scapegoat was a poor shot and had little working knowledge of firearms.

Add to this that our Government immediately decided, without reffering to the population, that it would disarm us all.  Then they put a thirty year moratorium ban on any research or official questioning!  Sounds a whole lot like what your U.S government does, doesn't it?

I received a report last year on the Bali bombing(s) that consisted of a scenario built around the forensic evidence that came from the site.  It made a strong suggestion that a Micro-nuclear device was placed under the street and remotely detonated, which accounts for the massive hole in the street outside the Sari club, the fact that many people are still missing (presumed vapourised), the incredible burns suffered by those repatriated to Australia and commented on by out top burns specialists as being, "Like nothing we have ever seen", and it also accounts for why paint on vehicles 200 yards away was burned off in a flash while the occupants still sat in the car alive !  No reference to this hole or other evidence was made in Australian news reports, although it was common knowledge in Indonesia.  In fact, Indonesia's Parliament had many public meetings about how a micro-nuclear device had been used!  Would you believe that the the media here and in Indonesia is owned by the same person, an Australian.  Which begs the question as to why these things were not reported here and insinuates that we are being kept in the dark like Mushrooms again.  I had known before this event that our Government would need to get the public support to join your miitary in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that some Australians would have to die in order to make the population angry enough to go along with it, well, that is what happened!

All this shows me that NO-ONE can trust their Government or any of it's agencies to protect anyone, defend anyone but themselves and their interests, as the puppets that they all so obviously are.  So wake up and smell the dead roses paople, their is a whole lot more going on in the power struggles for our world than what any of us truly understand.  Time for a mass revolution don't you think?

that's my bit again.

Love Always.[]

[jc84corvette]

Some very good facts, Tay!


Yes you can not trust your government but they do the bad things to help the rest of their people in the long run. Thats how I see it.

[Squeek]

Government is a tricky issue to deal with... especially against the people that would stick up for it no matter what.

We've got a lot of problems in the system of government over here.  With the change of power over to republican suddenly it seems that the government is only interested in money.  And if that's the case, then of course all the people have to only care about money as well.  Doesn't that sound familiar anyway?  Forced to work a 9-5 (or 7-6 in my mom's case) job for little pay just to scrape by when we have the rich who live off of the interest of billions of dollars.

Pass a law to allow snowmobiles in Yellowstone? SURE!  Let a bill through that allows the poaching of endangered species? Where do I sign!  Let's drill for oil in ALASKA!  We're sure to be rich off of that!  Money Money MONEY!!!

What's up with healthcare?  I'm only 17 but I know a thing or two about it... how can a stupid little pill with bothersome side-effects cost so much money?!  And why is it 90% cheaper in Canada?

Like I said, there are a lot of things in our government that we have problems with here.  The patriot act is just the newest nuisance.  Do you know why these laws pass?  To instill fear into the public.  Now people are afraid of doing bad things, breaking the law, and hacking servers on the internet.  Supposedly this protects us from the supposed terrorists.  And it will help us win the war we started with a country that didn't want it, and did nothing wrong.

...One Nation, indivisible, with liberty...

~Squeek

PS - So getting back on topic...

[jc84corvette]

This government can never live up to that anymore. The constitution is basicly dead.

[Dark Knight]

Sorry, thought it was common knowledge that I was an ET incarnate and an abductee.

OOOOooo! I'm an ET soul in human form, I'm sooooo special....ugh, the credit card debt isn't going away, and I still have to go to work [xx(]

Ok, in all seriousness, no I don't believe in my government at all. I still recall watching Good Morning America citing a CIA report about the government contemplating shooting down a Cuban airliner and blaming it on the Cubans as an excuse for invasion. That's not the problem I have.

The problem I have is that I've been undergoing a thorough brainwashing for the past 5 years and paranoia about who you can and cannot trust was a favorite ploy. It almost got me killed and could've hurt a lot of other people. It's not that I don't believe the government would sink that low...I simply refuse to play the game without more than general, circumstantial evidence. It's a very good brainwashing tool, and I have had enough, thank you very much. Until I see the forms in the context of the situation that McVeigh was brainwashed by the US government to blow up the Murrah building, I'm afraid I'm going to have to suspend belief (You don't think there were abductees in Oklahoma City, some being affected by ULF waves by the government at the time it was happening?). My sanity is far more important to me, and I've lost too much of it as is.

I'm going to write about what happened to me. I've just made that decision now after reading all this.

I'm a person whose life has been ruined and was almost killed because of all this, not some anonymous, fictional tabloid headline.

My family has been hurt, and I've watched them channel members of my family while I sit back powerless to do anything. They've threatened to kill my family, to kill members in the UFO community if I didn't do what they said (now that's a laugh, they had me contact certain members of the UFO community like some brainless puppet then told me if I didn't do what they said, they would kill said members because I contacted them!?).  

I'm not saying trust the government. But taking a course like this could eventaully have us all at each other's throats, something else I'm sure they want.

Besides, if you really want to go out after the government, wouldn't it make more sense to help people who are suffering like me (study me and my experiences and others like me, Tay mentioned a list) to get first hand knowledge instead of going after stories with flimsy, generalized, circumstantial evidence which may or may not be true depending on what kind of mood the g-goonies are in?

[Anonymous]

Now what a second, Dark Knight, I wasn't trying to say to not trust the government.  I was just trying to say that things are not what they seem.  I don't hate the government or like the government.  I have just gotten tired of playing the game.  I am tired of trying to get credit, my own house, and my own car, just so they have something to take away from me.  That is the real reason why they like people who are married, with good credit, children, a mortgage, and a car.  Those people have something to lose so it gives other people in control leverage over them.

For this reason I have decided to stop playing the game.  I am not going to have a regular job, a mortgage, a car (to speak of), or anything like that.  It is a simple concept.  Once you have a job you need to get to your job.  You get a car so that you can do this.  You probably want a house so you can start a family and this also gives you a tax cut.  Well if you have all of these things then you put yourself in danger of losing it.  If you lose it then you can't work, then your lifestyle goes to hell, then your kids are crying.  If you have nothing then you have nothing to lose.  Once you have nothing then life becomes a whole lot more simplistic.

Either you can control people or you can be controlled.  Either you can have the money and make the laws or you can be the labor and obey the laws and slowly get raped.  I never liked that truth so I will quit the game.  It is that simple.  After that the worst thing anyone can do to you is kill you and that doesn't accomplish anything.

I don't agree with the government or disagree with the government.  I just refuse to play the game.  I will probably just disappear somewhere.  It is really hard to find someone when they don't have a house address isn't?