Somethin VERY different !!!!!!!

[James S]

Hi Dark Knight,

> When do we cross the line, and the lesson is being made more valuable than our own value and welfare?

This might sound a bit of a sappy answer, but I feel if you get to this point then you've lost the objective.

> I've personally had enough, I do not see my mission ever being accomplished in this life or any other.

Do you really know exactly what your mission is?
I must go back and read through some of your earlier posts to get a clearer picture of what you've been through. Sounds pretty horrendous from what I've picked up on so far. But it also sounds like you've come out the other side of it ok. Maybe that was your mission - to survive. It may be now that you simply need to relax, not push yourself, not commit yourself to any grand plan, just be.

Some years ago I went through depression. The lesson I learned from it was to not push for a resolution, to not think my way through it but instead relax and just exist. Now when I look at the fact that I seem to be involved in something here, something I can contribute to, if I start going out with a mindset that this is my mission, this is what I must achieve, it all starts going horribly wrong. If I sit back and relax, take things as the come and just "be" then I'm allowing the message to come through to me, because I'm not blocking it by going off on tangents.

This fits what you say - the lesson is put here for you. Don't bust yourself looking for it, it will find you.

I don't know if any of this helps, or is of any comfort to you. It's just what popped into my mind when I read your post.

Tayesin,
Sorry for going off the topic a little here. Thank you also for your kind words. I usually have to review and edit my words a number of times until they say what I want them to, so I really appreciate your comments - they're very encouraging. []

I guess the concept of being "kicked off the team" might not be the right way to put it. I think if we allow our ego's to get hold of us we are more likely to quit the team and try to go it solo - a big mistake! I think with the players involved here, they're not likely to give up on us in a hurry. After my first brush with her when I was 14, The Spirit of Nature waited 21 years for me to take notice of her again. They've a lot more patience than we have. Lucky for us!

Kind regards,
James.

[Tayesin]

Dark,
thanks for asking your questions.  If the lessons are put here for us, then we must also be here to receive them.  Surely, much of what we experience is chosen by us in our travel plans before incarnation.  I don't mean pre-determinism or Fate either, I mean that we looked at all the possible choices and their effects before we agreed on this life.

I don't think that there is ever a time when the lessons are more important than our welfare, although, it is very possible that if you did choose this experience before incarnating then perhaps this life is about those specific lessons.  So I cannot say in honesty that any of it is absolute, as things change with our growing awareness.

Your last question is brilliant Dark.  If we are huge and powerful beings, as I truly know we are, then all that we choose to experience is done so with Love, because we choose these things when we are in our highest awareness and therefore do so without the blindness of human concepts.  So I tend to see all that we experience as being the choices of great Souls who see the value in the lessons from various choices of suffering.  And I would think that it is only about being right, if it is about our human Ego.


Passionate,  
I have great trust in the Guides who work with me, as they have been of immense help over the years, so I do not see that they/me would do anything that would be against the best interests of the Soul I am.  And, for a long time, I tested them as often as possible in order to find out if I could put trust in them.

It would be similar to being a child who trusts that his/her parents will help them where possible and would not allow any harm to come to them.  I know that is a pathetic analogy to use because the world is full of parents who do the opposite, but I do think you understand what I am trying to say.

My trust is based on many, many journeys over the years, so inside myself I KNOW without a doubt that this experience was very real and that I can trust in it because the Guides were there to facilitate this meeting.  

This doesn't automatically suggest that anyone else should believe it.  I believe that there is no substitute for having the experience of things, as that way we each get to really know from having the experiences.  There is no other way to KNOW.

I hope this has answered some questions.   I do hope that no one is blindly accepting this as totally real, especially without going out there and seeing for themselves.  

The original idea to post this experience here was only to get as many different views from as many people as possible. And it has succeeded in that.   Never was it intended to be a "hay look what I did" thing, coz that would be Ego and Ego-unleashed is our worst enemy in the fight to becoming Clear and Aware.  

And, I see we are all the same, we are all Great Spirits/Souls and no one is 'above' any other, we are simply on different roads to our life goals.

"Belief is a poor substitute for having the experience". - me.[]

Love Always.[]

[Dark Knight]

OK Tay, what time is it?

You know what I'm tlaking about, I'll leave a better post later.

[Mustardseed]

Dear Tay
I would be interested in asking your guides a question. As you know I am a Christian and the Bible intrructs us to ask any Spirit if they believe that Jesus was the Son of God and came in the flesh. How would you feel about asking them that. If you do, make good note of the answer. This question sometimes bring up the wierdest long fenangeled answers. Many say: "well let me explain it to you and then on an on" (like this forum at times) others show their true face. If you want to go a step further ask them in the name of Jesus to show their true identity. I would be very interested in the result.
Regards Mustardseed

[Dark Knight]

James,

How do I know....loaded question. I had memories before coming here, had memories of being in my mother's womb, had memories as early as crawling around on the floor and watching my father sit in his chair while watching an episode of "The Outer Limits" of all things (sorry, I always hated that show).

I had a significant number of valuable experiences that gave me skills...skills that I could share with people, might have even helped people. And it wasn't to gain followers, it was an act of love. I was so tired of seeing people suffer and I knew I had something to offer, still feel like I do. But the world doesn't seem ready for it, and with demonic cretins constantly on my case, my luck gone, and an ever growing mountain of debt thanks to the last pair of daffy dimwits I received "help" from, I feel backed into a corner and unable to do much of anything, not even live.

With a vast majority of people seeing a lesson as "Something to be right about" instead of "Something to grow with", I feel like I'm fighting a battle on two fronts...the demonic cretins, and the people I was supposed to turn to for help.

"Exist" feels like something I've always done, except for a brief few years of my life. I don't think I can just "exist" anymore. One of the things that got me through when I was younger was the thought that I was working towards "living" not "existing."

I've learned a great deal, I've learned how personal boundaries (and identity) disentegrates when you're not valued and not only left to die, but forcibly pushed out of the way. I can tell you the pattern it takes on, why it disentegrates the way it does, and how to re-integrate. But re-integration requires freedom to move and cooperation and respect from others, something which is ironically missing in many cases...most people deny that freedom to move exists or is required,...they assume the power is theirs instead realizing the greater dynamic they are a part of.

Their ego does all the work and they take all the credit for it.

So the re-integration never takes place, the wound festers, and eventually there is death.

I'm just tired, and wish either something would change, or let me die, just so I can move on and do something.

[James S]

Hi Dark Night,

I apologise for my questions. I though they, and a brief account of my feelings, might have been appropriate, but I see that you have gone way beyond the point where my experiences might be able to help.

I have a better understanding of your situation now, thank you. It seems that even in doing the right thing, you have ticked off the wrong beings, who seek their thoughtless revenge against your acts of kindness. I also see now that you do have, and possibly always have had an understanding of what it is you are to do here.

The only offer I can make to you is what I am doing now - sending you thoughts of love and light to help you recharge, and sending requests to the spirit I know love and trust to give you shelter while you heal.

All the best,
James.

[James S]

Hi Mustardseed,

I know your question is directed at Tayasin, but if you've no objections I would like to share my own personal accounts regarding your question. I just don't want to appear to be hijacking Tayesin's topic here.

The one positive thing I took away with me from years of following the christian way was my sense of the reality of Jesus. I believe this his is a name of power, as twice I have called on it to save my life when I was right on the point of death, and twice I felt the release from my peril and survived. That's proof enough for me!

Just after I first met the Spirit of the Earth, I asked her about Jesus, as I do still believe this to be a valid test. He answer was quite clear - "We know him a LORD Jesus, he is very much real, and he can be called 'Son of God'". Even from a spirit as vast and powerful as that of the Earth, there was a definite note of respect in her voice here.
The spirits do have a strong sense of propriety.

She also made mention that unfortunatley many people have a distorted idea of who and what Jesus is. Such ideas are generally only let go of when we shed our material or "earthly" perceptions.

Kind regards,
James.

[Arcane]

The way you write "and he can be called 'Son of God'" sounds almost as though the spirit is trying to get the wording right. Aren't we all God's children in the eyes of the church? And as for being a lord, aren't there all sorts of people in various positions of power in the world?
Could it not simply be that Jesus was just an ordinary human king?  The spirits wording doesn't appear to show otherwise.

[James S]

Nicely spotted Arcane.
She was very particular about the wording. Not to be ambiguous, but I think to try to indicate that we can't presume our "mortal" perceptions about such things are entirely accurate. Nonetheless, there was a great feeling of respect indicated.

James.

[dino333]

This weekend There's going to be a UFO symposium in my city (Halifax), and now I think I might go. Tay, could you get these aliens to contact me? Please? It would help my "SOB" and plus, I've always wanted to meet an alien.

[Tayesin]

Hi Mustard,

I've got some things happening at the moment, like my granpa who I was very close to dying, etc.  I have not asked the Guides your question as yet but I will get to it.  Hopefully, this little insight will suffice until then.

All the great teachers who came to this world, including Jesus, were born as humans.  All of them needed to find their way to them-Self before they started their missions here.  Each brought another piece of the greater truths to us when it was time for them to do so.  

Yes, Jesus is the son of god, but, he said that we all are...."The Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.  When you come to know yourselves then you will become known,  and you will realize that it is you who are the Sons of the living father".

This tells us that he knew he was not greater than any one of us, only that he KNEW who he was, and what that means.  In my experience, when we do come to Self-realization, we come into contact directly with the creative awareness (God).  I do believe that Jesus was sent here for a mission, as were the other great ones, and that he was self-realized through his journeys and experiences in order to fulfill his tasks.  Other than this, he was a man, with all the trappings of the human condition.

And yes, that was a bit long winded for a simple little answer, LOL.

Dino,
Geez, your asking for the impossible from me.  I am only a person, I hold no sway or favour with any other race.  It would do no good to ask for this if your Soul's plan does not include contact with Alien races.  Your best opportunity would be to go out 'there' and seek them for yourself.

All,
I will be away for a few days attending to things, so have fun and I hope there is much more to read when I get back.

Love Always.[]

[Mustardseed]

(You said) He answer was quite clear - "We know him a LORD Jesus, he is very much real, and he can be called 'Son of God'".

She also made mention that unfortunatley many people have a distorted idea of who and what Jesus is. Such ideas are generally only let go of when we shed our material or "earthly" perceptions.

Hi James
I read your posts and there is a lot of information as well as insight in them, I appreciate your answer and dont mind if you "hijack" it as you call it. I have never had the opportunity to ask the question to a spirit entity on a astral trip myself, however I have done so lots of times as part of exorsisms etc. The answer you got was exactly what I was talking about. It is what I termed a "fenangeled" answer. In a way it is a nonconclusive statement. The Bible mentions that concerning faith in Jesus "the demons also believe and they tremble" . My point is this . In the astral / spirit there are factions for want of a better word. Robert calls some Negs and I agree hoever it indicated that there are also positives. Maybe there are also neutrals. ?? The positives all are under the allegience of Jesus, and are enpowered by the Holy Spirit. They can acces his power. Other entities are not yielding to his authority and are in various degrees of rebellion and still others may not have decided yet? In Christian exorsism you ask the question to find out if the person is possessed or opressed. This is 2 very different things. A person who is opressed will at this question have different reactions but will always acknowledge Jesus as His /her sovereign king. It will often be a emotional display but not always but it is the person speaking and with His /her will they state Yes I believe that Jesus is the only Son of God and plead my allegience to Him. A person who is possessed however will try to dodge the question. It might be by a philosopical explanation , or a different definition of Jesus, or by saying that "I know of him and otheres believe that he is the Son of God" etc . If you presist and ask again "but how about you, do YOU believe He is the ONLY Son of God and rose from the dead and reigns and Rules over all"  there will be either another explanation and if you presist again mostly there is a explosion and a "falling of the veil" as it is called. Often the physical appearance of the person will change,a cloud will fass over their face or a shadow type of thing, he may pass wind (odd), or burp or start cursing and swearing and different smells often of sulphur can be detected. Often violence is threatened but if you stand strong and bold mostly they will leave.  

I would be interested to find out if the same is the case in the astral. In my opinion it is however wise to be very careful.

My prayers are with you and thanks for the answer
Regards Mustardseed

[GhostRider]

Although I've been a passive listener/reader to these posts on this thread and even though I've not probably gotten off to the best of feet with Mustardseed, I AM glad to see you back.

Go on gentlemen, sorry for the intrusion, I'll continue listening to the two of you...[^]

[dino333]

Go there? You mean astral?

[SilverSlider]

Hello,

I thought the Annunaki(sp?) are coming after us? Now we have another alien civilization waiting to wreak havoc upon our planet and its inhabitants?

[Tao]

This is "The truth shall be Known.. You`ll see" part 2 ...

Altough i don`t tend to trust aliens - your experience sounds really cool. I must admit that when i heard about the Federation human - i remained a little Star Trakky - but if i stay to think about it, yeah ! why not ? This may be true.. I`ve added you on my MSN messenger Tayesin - i hope you`ll have time to chat wiht me..

The interesting thing - is that i`ve observed strange things happening lately too - my stuff starts to move from no apparently source of force.. Once a notebook moved from my desk on the floor - that was Frightening for me - but now i got used to it - i admit that books do not fly around my desk or anything - but there isn`t one day that a strange thing like that won`t happen.
Could the source of all this strange stuff be that Alien or whatever ?

What can you tell us about the Zetas and the Pleiadians ? I`m really interested in that !
Can you tell us other alien races names ?!! That would be cool

OK.. this is enough for one post,
Mihai

[James S]

Hi Mustardseed,

Through my communications with the Green Lady, the "avatar" of the Spirit of the Earth, I have come to know this spirit as a life-giver (a term the Pleiadians also use in recognition of her role). She is a giver and caretaker of life, who directly accesses the pure and primal energy that is the Creator, to whom she is also directly answerable.

When you come into the presence of such a being, the radiance of the pure energy, which is also an overwhelming feeling of the purest of love, you are left with no doubt that this being is not a neg of any kind. Such a presence cannot be forged. That kind of love, which washes through your entire being, cannot be mimmicked.

I would not question the Spirit of the Earth any more on the point of the acknowledgement of Jesus. Her very presence is testemony enough of which "side" she is on, and her trustworthyness. To press this point any further would be crossing into areas of human semantics and religious dogma. Such benchmarks can become a stumbling block rather than a guide.

Kind regards,
James.

[Mustardseed]

Ok my friend , I understand. Thats your choice. But let me ask you a question just to understand it correctly. If a Spirit or guide in beneign or good or whatever we choose to call it, didn't different people incl Robert say it would be glad to oblige to any question or desire on your part. My reason for my self wanting to ask this is based solely on my beliefsystem , I realise that, and hoping to not offend I will qoute you just a tiny scripture to explain why I believe it is a good thing to do, and do that regularily.

Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
(Whole Chapter: 2 Corinthians 11 In context: 2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

Please do not get up in arms everyone . I am not saying you should all believe as I do but merely telling you how it works for me. Thats all. If you reject those teachings that is your choice and I have no problem with that.

Regards Mustardseed

[cainam_nazier]

Mustardseed.

I do not think that anyone will take offense.  Use of scripture and various religious sayings to help define the way you think, so that people understand why's and what not's is fine.  You have not struck me as the kind of person who tries to force others to think like they do.  That's where everyone has the problem.

I would be willing to bet that at some point, in the very early stages, James did test the validity of the entity in question.  But he did so in his own way.  It is some thing that almost everyone does.

You do however make a good point with that one line.  There are plenty of various sayings one could use, but they all imply the same thing.  
Wolf in sheep's clothing.
Greek's bearing gifts.
Swimming with sharks.
And on and on.

The process is all a matter of what fits into your belief system.  There is also the perspective of being the one who has the experience.  They are the only ones who can eventually tell who or what they are dealing with.  The rest of us can only speculate.

[Mustardseed]

quote:Originally posted by cainam_nazier

 The rest of us can only speculate.

Absolutely. Maybe I have not made myself clear. I am exploring the validity and effectivness of MY OWN BELIEF not challenging yours/his. As I mentioned I have used this formula with Spirits in exorsisms and have had some good results ,(and some seemingly not so good) and I am merely trying to see if that will work in the Astral. The question was originally for Taysin actually as he was encountering a entity he had not previously known, then James jumped in but according to him he does know his guide and I assume that she is timetested for good fruit! I nevertheless think it is an interesting test and the issue of dodging answers is very real and since it is used widely in Catholic and Christian work in my opinion it has validity. In my own experience it is not hard to pretend to be good I have had "friends" or aquaintences  for years who at time of testing showed their "real" face. That is life and the Astral seem to echo this .Like you say beware of the greeks bearing gifts, is that how it goes?

Regards Mustardseed

[James S]

Hi Mustardseed,

I take no offence at all, and your reasoning is sound.
To help clarify this question a little further, and with more apologies to Tayaisn for diverting his topic....
My first reaction when I felt to test the validity of the Green Lady was to ask her about Jesus. Seemed to me a well known benchmark. He responses were as I've already indicated, however to help settle the matter here I took some time this morning to speak directly with the Spirit of Nature again just to see how she feels about this questioning. I've written down what she's told me, with the exception of the instances where shes told me to pay attention or stop putting words in her mouth.[:I]

"Yes Mustardseed's reasoning is sound, there is definitely a need to be cautious when in contact with spirits, though your own perceptions go a long way towards determining just who and what you end up contacting. Trepidation will tend to attract the negative. Hope and honesty will attract the positive. When you seek the spirits, seek with an attitude of love and open honesty. The spirits that would guide you truly will guard against those that would decieve, but nonetheless, always ask of us who we really are. A true spirit of light will not be offended, and will willingly answer your questions, Only a spirit of darkness will become impatient and angry at such questioning."

"You ask me about Jesus. Yes he is among us, he is real, he has ascended from an earthly existence and yes he is the son of the creator, that people call God, and we correctly refer to him as My Lord Jesus. But beware of the exact definitions that people place upon him, for human thinking has distorted somewhat his true nature. Only when they meet him will they know just who and what he really is. Until then, keep an open mind, but keep in your heart the love and respect that he does deserve."

"How do I see him personally? I love him, dearly! He treats me like a sister and an equal. Its so easy to be close to him, he's so relaxed and easy going. He never places himself above those he loves, but is always your friend and companion, never your master. Not once has he demanded respect, ever. He doesn't have to."

The emotion that was coming from the Green Lady at this point was bringing tears to my eyes - the feeling of love and respect she has for Jesus is so great.

The irony I find in all of this is that I have come to know more about the personality of Jesus through talking to this "Pagan" spirit that the christian church would deny, even rebuke, than I ever did sitting listening to the preachings of those rebuking ministers that claim to love him.

Cainam, thanks for your kind words.
It is true that the spirits will talk with us using phrases and terminology that best suits our individual understanding. Sometimes the meanings do need to be "translated" from one person to the next. A large part of this is because the communication comes not just as words, but as feelings, emotions, and you can often derive more from the emotional presenese than the words they use.

Tay,
Feel free to jump in here at any time. It is after all your topic.
[]

Take care,
James.

[Mustardseed]

Wow how exieting, my wife needs the computer but I will read this again and reply later. Thanks for not getting defensive.
Regards MS

[Ceriel N]

If you'd care to entertain a quite clueless question,
does this have anything to do with the "Galactic Alliance" that I've heard about?

[Novice]

I would like to jump in here for a moment and comment on what Tayesin and James S have stated regarding trusting guides. I have read the whole thread. I would first like to state that I'm by no means anywhere near as experienced at this stuff (astral travel) as many of you here. But I have done it and have had some absolutely incredible experiences. But like Mustardseed, I am always cautious of who and what I converse with. Which is one of the reasons I have stopped using the pendulum (as referenced in The Trush Shall Be Known thread). I was never able to get a 'good' read on the entity that was trying to communicate with me.

However, in the astral, I find it much easier to sense an entities true identity. And, not that James or Tayesin need it, I would like to simply say that I agree completely with them when they explain why the trust their guides. I don't have a guide that I'm aware. However, I do use the 'knowing' that they explain.

And as bizarre, unreal, and off the wall as this will sound, I have actually knelt in front of Jesus. Yes, the 'real' Jesus. I am not psycho nor do I have illusions of grandeur. I'm actually a fairly grounded person, so I know how completely 'looney' my statement sounds. But, just as James mentioned, there isn't a doubt in my mind who he was. He didn't have to say anything. His presence was such that no one could EVER confuse it for something else. ANd I am positive that 'negs' could never come close to emanating the light and love and compassion that he does so naturally.

It is an experience that I completely and absolutely treasure beyond all else. This experience has confirmed some of my thoughts regarding current christianity as well as changed some notions that I had held.

I realize that you don't know me from Adam. And you don't need to take my word about my experiences. That's not why I'm posting. I'm merely giving another persons view on sensing/knowing/feeling things about other entities. When in the astral, higher beings emit something that cannot be likened to 'sheeps clothing'. There are just some things that you can't fake. But, as always, you need to experience this knowing for yourself. If you don't, then I would recommend that you be open yet cautious. Good luck!

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Novice
And as bizarre, unreal, and off the wall as this will sound, I have actually knelt in front of Jesus. Yes, the 'real' Jesus......

It is an experience that I completely and absolutely treasure beyond all else. This experience has confirmed some of my thoughts regarding current christianity as well as changed some notions that I had held.

I have no problems at all believing this Novice.
My closest friend has told me of an experience very much like yours - meeting the REAL Jesus face to face. My friend has been a regular church going born again christian for a large part of his life, but he felt he was just going through the motions.

25 years in church gave him some faith, some hope and some belief. 5 minutes in the presence of Jesus and now he KNOWS with no doubt whatsoever!

Thanks for your post Novice. You're right - you can't doubt the emotional / energetic presence of beings such as this.

[]
James.