Last night I made some irregular friends. Although good ones.
Have you ever heard of TV Show BSTs? Apparently the theory is that a tv show becomes so popular that it becomes its own BST... Or a sort of commune where people's dreams go. They inadvertently astral project to this place and find other people who are also great fans of the show. I think these tv show BSTs form themselves completely out of the mass awareness of all the people watching them.
Anyway, I had downloaded all the shows from Dawson's Creek (yeah I know but I like it) and was watching them while I worked (I work from home making video games.) Somehow watching the show guided my astral body to the show's BST that night when I went to sleep.
It was awesome! I was in Capeside, the town where Dawson's Creek takes place and all the familiar haunts where there. I was completely lucid for the experience and kept on checking myself to see if it was just a dream or a real BST in the astral. I'm telling ya... It was as real as can be.
The best part was that I got to hang out with the cast, Dawson and Joey and Pacey. But the wierd thing was that they didn't act like the characters on the tv show...they acted like the actors giving their real names to me and explaining that they where also asleep.
The way I met them was that they came after me kinda in an angry way. I was walking down one of the streets when Dawson and Pacey sorta were sneaking after me. "What are you doing here dood?" They wanted to know who I was. Sorta as if i had intruded into a special club or VIP BST. Once I introduced myself (with my natural astral charm) we became friends and they led me out to one of their safe houses where the girls where waiting. I guess they were all kinda curious about me for some reason as if I was some sort of VIP myself.
Meeting with the girls Katie and Michelle (Joey and Jenn) was awesome. It was one long astral projection and i got to go on dates with both of them plus hang out with the guys some. We did a lot of talking... and the thing that really threw me off was that they were regular people. Not the characters from the shows but the actors. I had a conversation with Katie where she told me she projects on a regular basis. She said she hangs out with a lot of the fans in her dreams. I asked her if she was real and she smiled at me and pinched me. "Are YOU real??"
I still don't know for sure what kind of astral projection or super lucid dream this was. But if it was a dream and not an astral projection I couldn't tell ya. I tested my experience over from different angles and I'm more prone to believe that tv show BSTs are for real.
I remember Katie saying, "When you get to our level there's just so many people you can hang out with."
And yeah, she was still smokin hot. :-P
What I'm thinking is that everyone has an astral version of themselves hanging out in the astral all the time. Maybe Katie wasn't really asleep and APing but I still met her soul... which was hanging out in the BST. Kinda wierd huh? I don't understand it myself. And the AP was crystal clear man. I was there. Makes me want to think that APing is just nothing but dreams. And we make it all up. But then again... I've never seen a dream behave like a real person with real information. Maybe there is something to a TV Show BST. :-o
(yeah, I got to kiss the girls) :wink:
Some people actually think these TV shows are real life events. Stars are constantly being asked questions by their fans as though they are perceiving the TV character instead of the real life person and hounded for this reason as well. So I would say if you are really into a TV show, that your subconscious could definitely put you as a player there. Remember you are the one that orchestrates your Astral/Dream experiences, whether consciously or subconsciously. :-)
hmm... Could you try to make the request: "I want all thought form humans,
who are only mind creations, to disappear."
Then watch if anyone real is left. I would be most interested in your result.
I also think it is important to use the expression "mind creations" and not
something locking you to a limited region, like "creations of my own mind",
as some other mind may have created some of the thought form humans.
Yeah, this one, as ridiculous as it sounds, really made me think man. It was so real... More real than real. As bright and shiny as a new penny... And it was probably just a dream.
Makes me think that all my previous APs where just dreams.
Makes me think there is no such thing as astral projection. Just lucid dreaming.
Maybe nobody knows what theyre talking about once the words Astral are uttered.
It might just be a possibility. No such thing as an astral or a shared astral.
But man... Was it fun. If my mind can do this it gives me a free license next time I "AP". :-D
Quote from: shineling on May 12, 2012, 21:01:27
Makes me think that all my previous APs where just dreams.
Makes me think there is no such thing as astral projection. Just lucid dreaming.
Maybe nobody knows what theyre talking about once the words Astral are uttered.
Truthfully, what's the difference? Just enjoy it. We spend too much time trying to label things these days, that causes confusion, frustration etc. Just enjoy what you have, call it what you want, that doesn't change what it really is! :-)
How do you view "dreams"?
I view them as unconsciously aware astral projections.
I'm completely on board with Lionhearts suggestion. Just enjoy the experience don't start to question the "source", because it really doesn't matter. :)
Yeah, we had these discussions a lot of time here. People often unfortunately get close-minded and make the equation: DREAM = NOT REAL all the time.
I have experienced some dreams to be 'more real' than what some (not me) would call lucid dreams or projections. I cannot make a distinction anymore. It's all consciousness, just within some more loose variables applied, such as "degree of lucidity (range: sub- to 'waking' to super-conscious) and some ''public / collective / communal" vs "private" areas or planes.
Quote from: shineling on May 12, 2012, 21:01:27
It might just be a possibility. No such thing as an astral or a shared astral.
You could try to bring back some info which you otherwise couldn't get hold of
unless astral and compare the result with what is real in the physical world.
If seriously ill, you could try to send healing to the part of you which is ill,
send healing from the astral state and see if you get better. You could also
try sending healing to a sick friend and see if that gives any positive result.
Also, if you doubt that you are truly OBE, you could make the Buhlman requests:
"Awareness now!", "I am aware now!", "I have clarity now!", "I have full awareness now!", etc.
Wait for a moment and observe any improvements of your surroundings or senses.
Then repeat the request again.
Then try to shift to a location in the physical, think of a person you know, for example.
If you at all times wander around kind of random or aimlessly and can't be in full control
of what you should do to figure out if you're dreaming or not, then you might be in an LD.
To me, my very short OBEs have had a feeling of realness. My LDs have been longer and I've
been aware that I'm in a dream, and somehow I've not been fully in control of my actions
even if I knew that I was in an LD.
You are more skilled so I hope you get better result than I get with "Awareness now".
According to LaBerge, very skilled LDers state that there is a clear difference between an
LD and an OBE.
I felt remembered of Kurt Leland's log where he reports on the "Human Culture Zone" which is above all (but not solely) a kind of library system or Akashic area that also (if you choose to use it that way) works like a holodeck and can be experienced interactively.
It's on the mental plane (he refers to the theosophic system of astral/mental planes). Here you can experience fantasy worlds set up by the collective of humanity, this includes tv shows, theater pieces, musical pieces, fantasy or all kinds of novels, movies, maybe also the newest roleplaying computer games, etc.
Hence I would doubt if the term 'BST' is actually accurate for what you experienced (although I would not say it's completely wrong either). It maybe was more of a kind of holodeck program (like in Star Trek) in the Human Culture Zone on the lower mental planes. Maybe the people were simulations, or it was a shared holodeck adventure?
Quote"The astral plane Dream Zone can seem boring to those who don't know how to use it because they just keep sliding through dreams with identical emotional contours, based on their unresolved problems in physical reality [waterslides]. They have no idea how much more real and satisfying the thrills of the lower mental plane Dream Zone can be.
"Here it's possible to enter the world view of a famous person or the plot of a novel, play, or opera and experience it as real–at least as real as anything you've personally lived through on Earth. Verbal descriptions can't convey the vividness, the depth of immersion, possible when you enter a world view or novel plot here. Unlike a virtual reality game, it's indistinguishable from life, and satisfies a hunger to know anything you may care to know about that person or novel so thoroughly that mere thrill seeking seems like a waste of time."
Kurt Leland
Source: http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2007/188-the-human-culture-zone-causal-body-lower-mental-plane
Quote from: Volgerle on May 13, 2012, 12:38:19It's on the mental plane (he refers to the theosophic system of astral/mental planes). Here you can experience fantasy worlds set up by the collective of humanity, this includes tv shows, theater pieces, musical pieces, fantasy or all kinds of novels, movies, maybe also the newest roleplaying computer games, etc.
It could as well be down in F 23. :)
At the Moen forum, retrievers have reported various things, for example
finding dead authors in the worlds of their books with funny talking
rabbits and badgers. :)
The retriever took on the appearance of a talking animal and retrieved
the deceased author. If his world still exists or if the author set up a
similar but brighter fantasy world in F 27, I don't know.
QuoteWhat I'm thinking is that everyone has an astral version of themselves hanging out in the astral all the time.
That's exactly what Michael Newton found out in countless LBL-hypnosis sessions: A part of our soul never leaves the non-physical world. How much does, varies from person to person. Some are leaving a larger part behind, some less and instead go for a split incarnation (two parallel physical lives) and some do a physical/astral split.