Flying in a Lucid dream

[RooJ]

congrats seraphis []
I too had a really cool lucid dream today, i wont go in too much detail on here but at one point in the rather long dream i was jumping from building to building as is done on the matrix. From one of these jumps i started to fly, it was night time and the streets and a harbour where lit up by many street lights. I can honestly say it took my breath away at how real everything looked, i could see people walking below under the street lights going about there business. Also no matter how high i would go the clarity and realism stayed perfect.

I havn't practiced for lucid dreaming in along time but this has re-kickstarted my need for more []

>RooJ

[Krevency]

People!!!

You're makin' me feel crummy.[!]  I've always had trouble flying in my lucid dreams.  When I was a kid I would just balance on the air, and then kind of glide around, slowly picking up altitude.  Nowadays, when I try to fly through sheer force of will, I always rise, but then fall as soon as my concentration falters.

I think I'm just too doubtful and way too, "down to earth." []

[RooJ]

Your mind cant let go of the fact that there should be gravity, try giving it an excuse to believe you can fly such as imagining a jet of light from behind you or some object that would allow you to fly. As you fly more it seems to get alot easier (at least in my experience).

[goingslow]

One of my favorite things to do is find a bright star and use it as a target to fly to.  I also like "scaring" myself by flying as high as i can in the dark especially when it sort of feels cold and let myself fall back down.  I have only reached interesting places a few times when flying straight up.  more and more ive tried to look at the star and will myself to shot to it instead of relying on other ways of flying.  

Ive also noticed now that i work night shifts/graveyard i have many more lucid dreams so many more opportunities to fly around.  Just wish i would get somewhere at times.

[Nick]

There are only so many lucid dreams that come my way. I am lucky if I can get a couple each month so I'm happy when they occur. Last night I was lucid and did my favorite thing which is to fly. For some reason, when I fly in lucid dreams, I usually start mentally playing the music from the 1978 Superman movie. It's kind of funny, but I seem to get a kick out of it while lucid. []

Anyone else have any interesting flying dream experiences?

[muppetgeoff]

[My First Post! ]

I've been dream-flying and lucid dreaming for many years now. I dream heavily every night, and at least once a week realise I'm dreaming.

I've found that a simple test (and a safe one) that works for me, is to do a standing jump, and try to hold the jump i.e. keep in the air as long as possible. Every time, it takes me longer than 'normal' to land, and the moment I realise it, I'm off

The biggest problem I've had is 'holding' the dream. The moment I become Lucid, it's almost like I alert my body, or I start to worry if its ok. A trick to overcome this, is to make the DREAM 'real', rather than it being a Lucid Dream. I do this by focussing on something. My hand, the leaves on a tree, anything that is complex. Using this I canhold the dream for longer, because in essence it becomes a reality.

Not sure if anyone else has tried this, and I apologise if anyone takes offence to this, but flying naked an be invigorating, and highly sexually stimulating (but not in a crude pornographic way)

One time I had been flying along a river, and was approaching an 'olde worlde' settlement. I flew up and over the buildings, when my clothes vanished, and I could feel a cool but refreshing wind rushing all over my body. All I will say is it 'invigorated' me, not being naked, but all the sensations of freedom and energy.

I've not had a dream quite like that before or since, but it did leave me with a wonderful feeling for days.

[Nick]

Welcome to the forum muppetgeoff! Thanks for the nice post, and thanks to all who've shared their experiences here so far.

Nick

[Novice]

I don't often visit this particular forum, but the subject caught my eye. I just scanned most of the posts (this is a long thread).

Flying is one of my favorite things to do in dreams. I would dream about flying all the time when I was younger. But I think because I wasn't really confident enough in myself, I could never gain altitude. I would fly, but always just a few feet above the ground. I remember getting so frustrated because I would try so hard to get high enough that no one could touch me, but I never succeeded.

As I grew up and gained more experience, I realized that, at least for me, my ability to gain altitude is proportional to my level of conscousness/awareness in the dream. If I know I can fly, then I take off straight up into space without a problem. (Space is my favorite place to visit -- the planets and stars are absolutely georgous). But if there is the slightest doubt about my ability to fly (not fully lucid) then I'll either do the levitate - fall - levitate - fall thing or I'll fly, but just off the ground and won't be able to get any higher. For me, flying is a matter of knowing you can and not having a single doubt about it. That doubt will mess me up every time!  

As for styles, I don't do superman or anthing like that. I simply stand like normal and float up into the air a few inches, then I just take off straight up like a rocket. My arms are by my side and I go head first. I love the freedom of it. NOthing fancy, but I enjoy it.

Someone else mentioned breathing underwater, that is really cool too. Your vision is really neat when you are underwater. I would get this sea-green tint to everything I see, but not cloudy at all. Very crystal clear. It was amazing.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Goingslow, do you actually get to reach the star?

I use to pick stars as targets and fly towards them but I don't usually even leave the Earth's orbit.

[Novice]

You addressed your question about the stars to Goingslow, but I think you may have met me, as I didn't see Goingslow posting here recently.

My first trip to space I left the atmosphere, did a lap around the moon and then hovered and just stared at the earth. To say indescribable would be an understatement. But then I began to loose the dream and couldn't get it back. Normally I get just to the moon or past before losing the dream.

My longest trip out was passing the moon and just bolting straight out into nowhere. I'm not positive if this was still a dream or if I phased to the astral (which I do from within lucid dreams). But the scenery was beyond description. I saw planets and gaseous clouds and other things whose names I don't know. But the colors and shapes were absolutely incredible. I was able to hold this for a fairly long time.

I found I would slow down as I looked around because I would find myself so caught up in the images and their appearance. If I closed my eyes, then I would begin gaining speed again. So I opened and closed my eyes for brief periods to keep moving.

But I woke up from that experience feeling so energized and it felt so real. Like I was really soaring through space. I was pumped for days afterwards!

[gentlesavage]

I think i had a lucid dream a few nights ago, but i am not sure. I was singing in front of a lot of people, and in real life that is something i would never do, and i think that as soon as that thought comes across my mind i stop singing, forget the words, and start to blush and feel very uncomfortable, which is what would happen to me in real life, and after that i don't remember anything. My friend recommended me to this site to help me get some answers.

[Nick]

Welcome to the forums gentlesavage. You might also enjoy checking out this site on lucid dreaming: http://www.lucidity.com/



Nick

[gentlesavage]

hey thanks nick

[experimental]

I v had loads of flying dreams , and i generly recall those ones , but the struggle i seem to face in flying dreams , is identifying if its a  astral projection , and i m in flite , for all the dreamscape evvents are happening still at the same time whilst i m flying .

Like in 1 particular dream, i ascended high into the sky, and suddenly realised i had to concentrate on remaining afloat in the sky, otherwise i would start to drift downward , while this was happening , there was a dream occuring where by there was 2 aircraft  from a different technological era fighting in the sky ,  1 was a 1940`s 2nd world war aircraft, and the other a modern stealth US jet  lol , and in this particular dream, i was darting all over the place trying to get aboard the stealth jet , ( like flying towards it )

So to me , if i m haveing a dream and i start to fly in that dream, and become aware i m dreaming at the same time , and take some form of control over that dream , then i m expereinceing a type of > lucid dream projection ?

Can anyone relate to a simular expereince ?

regards    Experimental

[goingslow]

andrew,

no i have never reached a star thtat i remember,  but a colorful "hole" of some type has opened up before and i flew through it into some weird place.  I still dont know where it is.. but once i remember flying though swirling colors that appeared and being in a cartoon land.

[Adkha]

I have a lot of lucid dreams lately. And offcourse I like to fly in it. But I have rarely that I can really fly. Most of the times I just flow above the ground but can not make altitude.  But a few night ago I was having a bad dream, I wasn't lucid yet. I think I was superman or someone like that and I had to save someone, but then I realized I was dreaming. So in this dream it was no problem to fly as high as I want at all!

I'm not sure why I can fly in one dream but can not in another.

Anyone?

[Blackstream]

I thought I posted in this thread, but I can't find my post, so I'll reply (again?).

Flying in dreams has never been a real problem for me.  Control has been, but control has been less of an issue as of late.  It used to be that I'd start flying and get caught in a loop and fly around in an endless circle, till I managed to break out.

I used to fly by flapping my arms like a bird, but one day my dad suggested that the next time I fly that I try and fly like superman.  So, the next time I was dreaming of flying I did that and guess what?  I was flying like superman :p  The power of suggestion is strong.

The thing is, in dreams, I have never had problems with "invisible" powers such as flying, super strength, telekineses, mind control, and other invisible spells.  Super speed is an exception to that rule, I can't seem to get that going for me, unless I'm flying.  As of lately, I can sometimes teleport and create objects in front of my eyes, but that's iffy.  I can also usually cast invisible spells (like invisible fireballs.... lol).  I'm not to good at creating DBZ blasts of any kind yet  I'm trying though.

The way I usually fly is to do a little hop and then propel myself from there with my mind.  If I were to describe how I do it, it would be as if I were pulling myself in the direction I want to go with my mind.  I simply imagine or feel myself being drawn in the direction I want to go, and I do.  I'd describe how I do other things, but this is the flight topic :p

[Adkha]

huh, yes that's right I thought you posted allready. Strangeeehh...

Yeah, same for me about how to fly, I make a little hop and then just think "I will fly" and I fly. But still can't really make altitude, except for some exceptions. About super speed, I think I can run pretty fast and I'm trying to fly faster lately by looking for the right flying carriage. (kind of funny thinking about it :lol)

And about experimenting other stuff, was it you who said to tell yourself about experiments you want to do in your dreams through the day?
Well anyway I will try that.

What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can. And maybe this goes for remembering your experiments too....so next time, I will fall asleep as conscious as I can and think about the experiments I want to do....
I will report

[Blackstream]

Wow, I'm surprised you remember me

Anyways, if I didn't post to think about the experiments you want to do throughout the day (to increase the likelyhood of you thinking about it during your dream), I would still back that up as it's a very good idea.  I think what I said though was to include it in with your reality checks.  As in, you check reality.  Yes it's real, so imagine yourself doing what you want to do in your dream later.  That way you get a 2 in 1 deal.  You'll be testing reality and you'll be thinking about your experiment.  Therefore, when you dream, you'll have a higher likely hood of doing both (and maybe you'll start to do your experiment non-lucid, then become lucid because of it!).

"What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can."

What you describe here is known as WILD or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming.  In other words, you go straight from awake to dreaming lucid, or put another way you go straight into a dream without any break in consciousness.  It's far easier to do this in the early morning hours after just waking up because you enter REM sleep after just a few minutes as opposed to 90 or so minutes.  The easiest way for me to do this is to focus on hypnagogic imagery.  Eventually the scene develops into a dream scene and you just start moving.  It's abit hard to time, but usually for me there's a distinctive snap of clarity from hypnogognic to dream to help me out.

The other thing you describe, possibly, is just going to sleep with the intent of going lucid.  If it's the last thing on your mind before you go to sleep, there's a much higher chance of you doing that thing : )  Which is why I think a lot of times after you see a movie or do something a lot, you'll have dreams of it, since it's usually still on your mind.

[Adkha]

What you describe here is known as WILD or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming. In other words, you go straight from awake to dreaming lucid, or put another way you go straight into a dream without any break in consciousness. It's far easier to do this in the early morning hours after just waking up because you enter REM sleep after just a few minutes as opposed to 90 or so minutes.

REally? Canyou call this WILD? I also hear about people who can WILD anytime they want like OBE. But that's still to far for me:-)

Yes about early in the morning. Most of my lucid dreams start when I wake up. I wake up from a non-lucid dream with this dream very vivid in my head, then it's no problem to return to this dream but this time being lucid.
But when I try to fall asleep as consious as I can, I never fall into a dream immediatly, that would be really weird caus you only dream during your REM-sleep right? And you are in REM after a few hours sleeping right?
I think it goes like this: I fall asleep as consious as I can, when I'm in form I really can FEEL my body falling in sleep. But I never remember my mind falling asleep. And then somewhere in the night I wake up from a lucid dream. (in this case first a normal dream turning into a lucid dream)
So I cannot really say when I'm lucid dreaming when I'm not lucid dreaming in the morning, cause it's always just a memory. (maybe it got something to do with the fact that there is a time between falling asleep and the start of a dream in contrast with dreaming after you wake upin the morning...?)
Most of the times (not always!) my lucidity and vividness of the dream ar higher when I'm LDing in the morning. But I'm not really sure about that.

[Blackstream]

Ya, if there's any break of consciousness at all between awake and Lucid Dream, it's a DILD instead of a WILD.  You are still using a hella good technique to get your dreams though.  The only truely successful lucid dreams I've ever had were WILDS though.  Everytime what happens is that I watch the dream form in front of my eyes, and then I just start moving in it after a bit.  I usually lose lucidity fast though unless I'm on the ball making sure I remember that I'm dreaming.

[Adkha]

Everytime what happens is that I watch the dream form in front of my eyes, and then I just start moving in it after a bit.

I know what you mean, sometimes this works for me too in the morning after I wake up. It's kind of an alternative if I can not return to the dream immediatly. It's actually an on visualising technique right? And if it works you are in a dream....but like you said, it's more difficult to stay lucid or even be lucid at the start of the dream.

I think you can train this technique with meditation, just visualize during the day when you are on a break or something that you are jumping out your window and fly, or walk in the woods or something.
Robert Bruce also talks about visualizing based meditation to be one of the best trainings for LD en OBE.

[Blackstream]

It differs from visualization in 2 very important ways.  

1) I'm not visualizing it, I'm actually seeing it.  In visualization you picture the scene in your minds eye.  What I'm talking about is actually seeing hypnagogic stuff from right in front of your very eyes.

2) You don't control what forms in the slightest.  When I am letting the scene form in front of my eyes, I make absolutely no effort whatsover in trying to control or shape what forms in front of me.  Doing so usually ruins my chances of getting my LD.  I'm honestly not sure why, but whenever I involve myself in my dream too early, it tends to break the imagary that's forming and make it fade away so that I have to start from scratch again.  This is why I said that I waited for a while for the dream formed (doing nothing but observing the whole time... emotionlessly, be sure to not get too excited or scared while this is happening), and then after a bit, tried to move into my dream after I was fairly sure I was in my dream.  The first thing I try do everytime is stableize my dream once in it, by doing something that invovles my sense of touch like rubbing my hands together or scratching carpet or whatever.  It kinda draws me in when I do this and makes the dream more powerful.

[Adkha]

Yes you'r right about the differences.

But as I remember my experiences of WILD:

(this method doesn't always work.
You say you are actually seeing it, but is this right after you woke up from a dream? cause then you'r talking about the same method I describe here)

Returning to the dream without visualizing: I wake up, having the dream very vivid in my head, and just close my eyes and I'm back in the dream.

or:

Returning to the dream using visualisation: I wake up, I say to myself, I will have a lucid dream now. I close my eyes and let my body go asleep again, I stay as consious as I can, and try to visualize a dream, whatever I want, first it's just in my head, but slowly it's getting more vivid and before I know it I'm in the dream and lucid!

But like you said, you can loose you'r lucidity easyly because you loose your focus by concentrating too much on the visualizing part.

[Blackstream]

Returning to the dream without visualizing: I wake up, having the dream very vivid in my head, and just close my eyes and I'm back in the dream.

Close, except it's nowhere near as instant like that for me.  I close my eyes and the dream usually takes about 10-20 seconds to form or more depending on how close I am to REM and all that.  Only once have I closed my eyes and had a dream appear almost right away.

Returning to the dream using visualisation: I wake up, I say to myself, I will have a lucid dream now. I close my eyes and let my body go asleep again, I stay as consious as I can, and try to visualize a dream, whatever I want, first it's just in my head, but slowly it's getting more vivid and before I know it I'm in the dream and lucid!

I try not to do this because it usually screws my of my chances of getting an LD, but if you can craft your lucid dreams like this, more power to you.