Lethal Dreams

[Panchajanya]

Does anyone know of a dream being lethal on the gross platform?By "gross platform" I meant on this physical plane. How about one being influenced by subtle beings into committing a violent act such as suicide?

[Xanth]

Being lethal on the what?
If you're asking if anyone has ever died as a direct result from dreaming?
I doubt it. 

~Ryan

[personalreality]

i'm confused on the gross platform bit too.

i've died in a dream and didn't die.

i was a woman and i was in a war.  i got fatally wounded but wasn't dead yet.  i was begging people to kill me but no one would, finally someone shot me in the head.  everything just went black and i spent what felt like years just existing in nothingness.

[soli]

if dreams could have that powerful of an effect to a mentally healthy human I'd have been physically dead long ago.

[Stookie]

I think violence and death in dreams can be ways of working through subconscious issues we don't want to face in daily life. Death is normally a symbol of an end to something, not necessarily life.

[vladjackguy]

Well first of all we are infinite perfect beings we cannot die.(our bodies can)
Nothing dies it just changes it's state or/and form.
So I'm not afraid of death.
I've had "lethal dream's" but didn't die.

[personalreality]

@ stookie: it's like the death card in tarot doesn't mean death, the tower does.

[caterpillarwoman]

i've died in a dream and didn't die.

Me, too. I've been hunted down by various bad things (hired hitmen, Nazis, assorted nightmare monsters, etc.), I've been shot, I've been put in an electric chair, I've had a heart attack, and I've just died and left my body for reasons that weren't clear (but I knew I was dead), and, well, I'm still here.

I've also had more than one dream where I was actually a ghost, but some of them might have been just non-lucid projections.

How this might or might not pertain to the OPs question, I don't know. Apologies if it's way off the mark.

[CFTraveler]

Does anyone know of a dream being lethal on the gross platform?By "gross platform" I meant on this physical plane. How about one being influenced by subtle beings into committing a violent act such as suicide?

Ha ha gross=dense.  I just made a comment about that type of categorizing in another thread.

I have read many accounts of people who have all kinds of 'overshadowing' problems in which they are mentally tortured, but none I can remember that tried to manipulate a victim into committing suicide.  This is because if they did die, the perpetrators would be denied their 'emotion' feed.
So, I have to say no.

[podizzle]

i'm confused on the gross platform bit too.

i've died in a dream and didn't die.

i was a woman and i was in a war.  i got fatally wounded but wasn't dead yet.  i was begging people to kill me but no one would, finally someone shot me in the head.  everything just went black and i spent what felt like years just existing in nothingness.

wow years? were you in a coma or what? when i get shot in a dream thats usually about it. wakey time

[Panchajanya]

The thrust of my search is to find meaning to the recent suicide of my son. His wife said that he had a dream during the night that was very disturbing. In fact he was in a pitiful state and crying when she left to take their son to school, when she returned she found him in the kids room, he had hung himself. I had just talked to him the night before and he was in great spirits as we talked about an upcoming vacation we had planned for June. Among his belongings was an astral projection book by Robert Bruce. His wife said that he was interested in the subject and had tried doing some of the exercises. The grief I feel has not subsided and I know that perhaps this is just a futile attempt to find some reason for a seemingly heathy and happy father, husand, son to snap so mysteriously.

[caterpillarwoman]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

I used to be quite seriously depressed and suicidal (many years ago). During that time, I had a LOT of nightmares, usually involving demons. These dreams were expressions from my subconscious self, trying to communicate with me, telling me that I had "demons" I needed to address (i.e., I had issues that were troubling me). I didn't understand that at the time, but in retrospect I see this is at least a good part of it.

If your son had a troubling dream, it may well have been a similar situation. Possibly he had issues going on that he wasn't able to acknowledge in his waking life, and the dream starting to bring them forward.

I honestly don't know. I can say that I am truly sorry for your and your family's loss.

[geass]

Oh my God,

my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.

I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.

People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.

I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.

God bless you!

[personalreality]

Oh my God,

my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.

I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.

People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.

I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.

God bless you!

Really? 

That's the kind of thing that scares people away from exploring their consciousness.

[soli]

Oh my God,

my friend I am really sorry for your loss. This could not be easy and maybe I should not say this but I think any contact with the spiritual world is very dangerous if we are not close to God. When we sleep and have vivid dreams, I believe most of these dreams don't come out of our subconscious but from the spiritual world. They can come from God or from the opposite side. Some people encounter demons in their dreams and even in their waking life.

I believe the reason for your son's mysterious suicide is one of two possibilities:
1- It could be that your son encountered a demon in his sleep and was so scared that he couldn't handle it and then commited suicide.
2- The second possibility, which I think is the real reason, is that a demon took complete control of your son's body while dreaming. And stayed with him in the morning and pushed him to commit suicide.

People play with supernatural stuff as if it is a game sometimes and they don't know that it's an unknown world which is very much REAL with demons and the devil on one side and God and the angels on the other.

I am really sorry for your loss, we should pray for your son.

God bless you!

hi there, I knew you'd be back 

[geass]

hi there, I knew you'd be back 

Lol Hey there,

I just wanted to see if someone replied. But you are right I like this forum.

I don't want to convert anyone but I strongly believe many MANY vivid dreams come from God and have meanings, warnings and prophecies. I will make it clear in my replies. Many dreams have symbolic meanings pertaining to a person's personal life.

I just want to post my take on it and if people don't want to consider it then it's okay.

God bless

[geass]

Really? 

That's the kind of thing that scares people away from exploring their consciousness.

Hello,

Yes you are right and honestly I think it should scare people. We are opening ourselves to the unknown spiritual realm by thinking it is just a game.

If people don't believe in God and want to keep exploring, you probably should not read the following:
There are rules to the spiritual realm and we have to be strong in God if we want to explore the unknown because God is in control. I believe we have spiritual hedges around us and these hedges are normally closed and God does not permit spirits to go in. However if we have some serious sin which is in control in our lives, these hedges can be allowed to be opened by God and then we are exposed to evil spirits roaming inside of us. This is why we get addicted to some form of sin, it's because we opened our protective spiritual hedge around us and allowed something to go in. If we don't repent and rebuke these spirits, they can destroy us. We should explore but if one's life is not in harmony with God, and one is not strong enough these games can become pretty dangerous.

Don't you think panchajanya is serious about what he told about his son??

Do you think it was just a coincidence?? His son's wife saw him after he had that dream, didn't she? His father knows he was feeling pretty good the day before, didn't he? If a demon really got a hold of him when he was just exploring, don't you think people should be scared??

I do. But Hey this is just me.

God bless!

[personalreality]

  

too much man.
too much.

[geass]

 

too much man.
too much.

Yeah I guess someone comitting suicide is not important. huh??

[Panchajanya]

Geass, You and I think alike, I've always heard of the dangers of the astral world and of powerful ghosts, if you will, that inhabit the darker regions of that world. In the Vedas there are stories of powerful ghosts called Brahmana Rakshasas that are so powerful that they can kill outright. When I say 'Ghost' I mean the mind, intelligence, and ego without a gross material body,(the five senses manifested in a body made of earth, air, fire, water, and ether). Because these 'ghosts' have no body to enjoy the senses. They can be very envious of those of us that do and therefore try to enter into a body during the dream state. If that dreaming person is in a weakened state, said ghost can enter into the body and wreak havoc. I had a feeling that this could have happened to my son, but I wanted to see if others had similar thoughts, the reason for this is that he had such a great outlook on life and I could not bear to think that he despaired so much that he took his own life. There was no indication of despair in any of the longs talks we had during the week preceding his death. 

[personalreality]

Not to belittle your strife Panchajanya, I am sincerely sorry.  I too have lost someone very close to me, and his death was indirectly my fault.  That is a pain that never goes away.  You can ignore it for some time, but it's always there.

However, I do not choose to lay my problems on my imaginary best friend.  I am responsible for my reality.  I make my life what it is.  If I were so inclined I could choose to blame all my problems on mysterious "astral ghosts" because I wasn't capable of facing my own reality.  I could say, "It wasn't me, it's not my fault that I loaded my best friend's needle with too much heroin, it was a ghost", or maybe something like, "A demon got inside me and forced me to ignore the fact that my best friend had stopped breathing because I was too afraid of the cops taking my next hit if I called an ambulance".  I could be like that.  Or I could realize that my life is what I wanted it to be.  I had a reason for choosing my situation.  I might not know what that is right now, but I chose this life and I'll be damned if I'm not going to accept that.  I will accept it and I'll learn from it.  I will make it my life's mission to figure out why I watched my best friend die and chose not to do anything about it.

Or I guess I could just say it was God's plan and wash my hands of all responsibility.  Whatever works.


I would like anyone who reads this post to notice that I just said some horribly insensitive and possibly offensive things about not only Panchjanya's loss but my own.  And my loss was at least partially, if not completely my fault.  Yet I still treat it with disrespect.

You know why?

Because I am a better believer than either of these people.  Unlike these people I have complete and utter faith in my "higher power"'s plan (ie my plan).  I don't complain about it.  Like Abraham, my God told me this is his plan and I don't question.  I acknowledge the reality of the situation and make light of it as much as I can.  Because in the end, it's just me and my understanding of God.  Do you really think that my God is going to give a crap about what I said to some random person on a forum?!  No.

My sin is one of selfishness and I will take that up with my "lord and saviour".......perhaps we have more in common than you think.

All I'm saying, geass, is take it easy on the Christian proselytizing.  You can express condolences and pray for another without telling us about your God.

Also, geass, read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Robert Camus. 

Suicide is as important as you make it.

Your life doesn't have to be the next installment of your favorite soap opera.  Reality is awesome enough without making up fairy tales.  Personally I'm much more interested in the human circulatory system or the seeming tendency toward entropy in this reality.  Can't really see why you need to make up a fantasy world of angels and demons.

From the moment we're born, we're dying.  It's human attachment that makes death unfortunate, not death.

I deeply apologize for how offense and insensitive this post is.  Truly and sincerely.  But, I am not afraid of how I feel and I am not afraid of sharing how I feel.

[Xanth]

However, I do not choose to lay my problems on my imaginary best friend.  I am responsible for my reality.  I make my life what it is.  If I were so inclined I could choose to blame all my problems on mysterious "astral ghosts" because I wasn't capable of facing my own reality.  I could say, "It wasn't me, it's not my fault that I loaded my best friend's needle with too much heroin, it was a ghost", or maybe something like, "A demon got inside me and forced me to ignore the fact that my best friend had stopped breathing because I was too afraid of the cops taking my next hit if I called an ambulance".  I could be like that.  Or I could realize that my life is what I wanted it to be.  I had a reason for choosing my situation.  I might not know what that is right now, but I chose this life and I'll be damned if I'm not going to accept that.  I will accept it and I'll learn from it.  I will make it my life's mission to figure out why I watched my best friend die and chose not to do anything about it.

I can say without a doubt, that if more people took responsibility for their own actions... this would be a much better world to live in.

~Ryan

[geass]

All I'm saying, geass, is take it easy on the Christian proselytizing.  You can express condolences and pray for another without telling us about your God.

Also, geass, read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Robert Camus. 

Suicide is as important as you make it.

Let me tell you my friend,

I am not gonna argue with you and attack you. You are entitled to your own opinion and I have mine. I will say what I want and noone can stop me except God Himself. You don't want to believe, don't and I am not proselytizing, I am bringing my opinion out of years of experience in dreams and signs. I believe God exists and speaks to us, warns us sometimes in our circumstances and other times in dreams. Now if I want to share my take on it, I am not forcing any others to believe in what I believe. I am just sharing with punchajanya, because I felt what he is looking for and I believe without a doubt in the spiritual realm.

You want to think all this is a fantasy, think it. I know without a doubt that evil exists, I can even see it. Now if these exist and pushed Panchajanya's son to commit suicide, that doesn't mean the person is putting all the blame on it, but the important thing I want to pass is to be carefull about this exploring stuff, it is NOT A GAME or as you call it "exploring our consciousness". There is something called angels, demons, good, evil, God, devil and all these exist. It's not true that you are in complete control over your reality, NOT ONE BIT. You are in control over nothing. Everything in your life can be finished in one second if God wanted to. You don't want to believe it, don't. You will discover it sonner or later. The choice is yours.

I was only speaking to panchajanya and I feel for him. What happened to his son is something supernatural, not something in his own mind. He saw SOMETHING. There is something that was REAL that pushed him to do that. Nothing just happens like that. His father and his wife are the closest to him and know him more than me and you. They can tell us more than we tell them. I am just sharing my opinion. That's all.

Stop attacking me with that proselytising stuff. I don't want to force anyone into my beliefs so don't force yours on us neither.

God bless!

[personalreality]

I AM GOD.

I have no problem with a belief in "god".

But save the dogma for somewhere else.

[personalreality]

It's one thing for you to talk about the "glory of god" or whatever.

And it's still cool to offer prayer and support.

But when you start getting into sinners and all that jazz you're starting to preach a bit.

It's a fine line.

And in a forum where many people have views and experiences that directly oppose dogmatic belief, that kind of stuff can be really annoying and seems truly silly.