Life comes from -- machines??

[riddled_skies]

My name is Brandon **********. Hi

I dont keep a dream journal so this is a scarce version. I remember the importan parts though, so its all good.    Me and my crew are in the dream highly trained pilots and astronauts who have just discovered the beginnings of a secret station in space not too far from earth.   We were excited about this discovery because of its hugeness in secrecy, maybe forgotten..?? We picked up the clues somehow, perhaps it was given to us or something, and we knew the general location of this secret station. If I remember this right, I had the feeling that we were on the mission secretly, without authority clearance I think. But since we were high up and so well trained in the business, we didn't worry about the authority. (At least me, anyway, and I dont remember my crew at all... sadly..  :-(oh well )

As we ventured into space and got close (100 1/4 something away from earth [prediction number])) I said "were close", and the next second, we pulled up out of the blue cloud nebula of gas there was the mighty station. (looked like star wars big ship [hey what can i say, it was a dream]  ) We were all gaping and surprised we found it and somebody had said, "How did they keep it in hiding so long when it was this close??" After circling around a hatchdoor opened and we flew in, but crashed!

The right wing got broken and then we also hit something on the inside. Then, after being catapulted to the ground of the station, I got up off my knees rather slow and looked around at all the insides of this place. There were numerous assembly lines with conveyor belts everywhere and an identical human height machine hugging around the conveyor belt about every 4 1/2 feet away from each other on any given belt, all conveyor belts moving, dont know if the machines had been out of service or whatever not.

A peice of the broken ship landed on the conveyor belt and once it went under a machine, IT GOT ZAPPED, and then WAS TRANSFORMED INTO A LIVING ORGANISM..

The scrap of metal danced wildly contorting to any shape or any thinkable dimension or size.

Right about then, my dream gave such a revalation, or idea/theory, that it almost became lucid, perhaps it was (but i dont scarcely remember).. All life, all forms of vibrations have to have come from somewhere. (We know that man used to think the world was flat, until proven wrong. The reason we dont know beyond energy and vibrations now is for that very simple reason. We don't have the literal proof to go on. As far as weve gone, isnt there always farther and farther to go?? to Find the Orgin of life itself maybe??. ) And then that suggestive theory hit me. I thought, " I could play with that", "I could show this to some smart people at Astralpulse.com..."   

Anyway, this is it: "Was all life possibly made by some machine?? And machine meaning both meanings of literal, and figurative as in any order or form of anything not living, or maybe even, (at a strech here now.. ) it comes from a form of nothingness.

Perhaps even a higher dimension, or an unphysical consciousness imagining itself in terms of the most suitable meanings, allah energy, souls, and of course, ..life."

LIFE

is great..

[Stookie]

Hmmm, interesting topic. I'm going to throw some wild, mystical stuff out there and see where it goes...

Rudolph Steiner was a "mystic" in the late 1800's and early 1900's, was a part of the theosophical society, and broke away and started The Anthroposophical Society. He felt a main "force" in the evolution of human spirit was left out of theosophy which basically separated evolutionary forces into "black and white" (or black and grey), good and bad, pos & neg, christ & lucifer.

Steiner claimed that this "Christ" force they evoked is actually what he called "Ahrimanic", and the actual "Christ Impulse" was ignored. (I should note that these "forces" aren't the conceptual "good vs. bad", but balanced forces that regulate evolution - Luciferic forces are as important as Christ forces). You could say that Luciferic forces are destruction, decay, & death (it makes you immediately think "evil", but death and decay are a natural part of life).

On the other end of the scale is "Ahriman". Ahrimanic forces manifest mostly as human creations, technology, machines, ...materialism in general. These things are attributed to Luciferic forces most of the time, but Steiner tells us differently.

This is where the Theosophical Society supposedly taught their students that if one force out weighed the other, the other was used to balance it, ignoring that one side of the scale was "Ahrimanic" and not the "Christ Impulse".

Steiner's version was luciferic forces on one end, ahrimanic forces on the other end, and the Christ Impulse in between as the point of balance. He claims that it was the rise in groups like the theosophical society at the turn of the century brought in a huge influx of ahrimanic forces, which brought about our new materialistic age void of the spiritual balance human evolution is dependent on. These ahrimanic forces are what take spirituality out of religion, and imbue a false sense of "life" in materials and technology, instead of just being the tools they are meant to be.

I'm running out of time, so to keep it short for now, perhaps there is a REAL force behind our relationship with machines that we as a modern society have misinterpreted. Not that it's life, but keeps us from seeing where true life arises from.

I'm not sure HOW all of this relates to your post Brandon, but that's what it got me thinking about.

(It's much more detailed than that, it's just what I could get off the top of my head. Steiner is an awesome read though.)

[riddled_skies]

Very interesting... thank you for that info stookie! 

The information you gave me just reminded me of why I typed out and worded that idea so carefully, because I thought about it in retrospect, and thought people might not understand it, and neglect the idea of a "machine" theory, so I opened it up to a very broad interpretation for understanding purposes  (because i have a little knack for understanding some different human psychological auto-responses to  things.) The way people neglect manmade things like in that society you said, makes me glad I worded it like I did

Of all ideas I have come up with with my fascination with life, this one has stuck the most, come up a few times, only now has my dream reminded me, and re struck my own personal interest in orgins of life.

Before I go, I'll leave a couple random philosophies and ideas for yall here.

-Remember how some people think the truth is harder to swallow (because of its simplicity) and even find out sometimes because of its sometimes randomly simple, and out-of-the-box truth that is found out? 

-Think of this and think inside yourself how this could maybe, possiby, be why things you know and take for granted is given or 'felt'. And you dont know the future. You can only guess the future from what you have NOW.  You know the past, and can even feel the past before you know because you ARE CURRENT and its encoded in you and natures world in all aspects: physical, spiritual etc. Assume that. If this is true, which I think it is worth chance, then:  You can feel and know the origins of life subconsciously already if you want to, because of what is assumed proven above.

Phew   
Geometry proofs can actually be a value.. 
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