Lucid Dream Induction Devices

[Zenchan]

I own a Novadreamer, which I use infrequently (maybe three or four days in a row a month).  It has a fairly high success rate but if you use it too often you become used to it and it doesn't trigger lucidity.

If you have any specific questions regarding the Novadreamer I'll be glad to answer them.

[servo-15]

HI Zenchan,
i just wondered if you were able to induce lucid dreams before you had the novadreamer. I know you need some skill in inducing them, but if you have the skill but very little success, do you think the novadreamer would be effective?
cheers
-servo

[steveb]

Greetings all,  The link below may answer some questions.

[http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/laberge5-3.htm


Regards Steve

[Zenchan]

I've always been able to have lucid dreams, so I'm not sure how it would help an absolute beginner.



www.thedreamdiary.com

[chohan]

Daniel, I read that studies that book "Art of Dreaming" by

[chohan]

as I was (oops) saying... Art of Dreaming by Castaneda I think about 8 months back. Took me almost 3 months but I finally found my hands in my dreams and I was so excited I woke up and forgot to go lucid. However it did lead into 2 decent fully lucid but not very well controlled dreams over the next few weeks. It was enough to make me start saving for a NovaDreamer which I bought about 2 weeks ago and received yesterday. If I can't find go lucid and find the dreamer within 12 months I'll sell it to you cheap. Actually I'm pretty excited, I can't count how many times I've spent looking at any flashing light and then checking my hands over the past couple weeks trying to get the mind in gear.
I'll keep you posted when I make some progress.

peace,
chohan

[Ashfo]

I have been regularly doing the hand checking technique, but Im curious as to how its sposed to work.

Are you sposed to do it in a dream and then realise "oh im dreaming"?


- Ashfo

[chohan]

quote:Originally posted by Ashfo:
I have been regularly doing the hand checking technique, but Im curious as to how its sposed to work.

Are you sposed to do it in a dream and then realise "oh im dreaming"?

- Ashfo

 Yes. Focusing on your hands or any part of the dream body draws your attention to the other self... the dreamer. You are the dreamed, you must remember the dreamer. To quote Victor Sanchez from his excellent work The Teachings of Don Carlos... "The specific item chosen is not important; what matters is to give yourself the order while awake and to carry it out while dreaming. As the "dreamed" remembers, you perceive the order coming from somewhere and then you remember the other world. You remember the 'dreamer'. "
 The end goal is to eventually allow the dreamed to actually locate and look upon the dreamer. My, my... is that me lying there sleeping in that bed? Heavy thoughts indeed.

peace,
chohan

[chohan]

As for my nova dreamer is seems to help me alot with my dream recall but I can't say that it's increased my lucid dream episodes. I'm going lucid perhaps once or twice a month which was my same rate before using the mask. There seem to be alot of issues, some with the mask and some with me. It puts a pressure across my lower brow that I just don't like. If I loosen it then I wake up with it beside me on the pillow wondering how I didn't crush the components with my elbow since they are quite exposed. I work a 12hr night shift four nights running which leaves me exhausted so if I wear it on those days I seem to ignore the cues. Other times when I'm on my 4 nites off I sleep light and the cues wake me up but this has helped dream recall by just lying there quietly and remembering the last dream. I think the cues to go lucid are in our dreams even without the mask. One day I was sleeping without the mask and had this dream where I was standing outside with some other people (sort of a work related environment) when someone made the comment it was time to go back in the building. An older friend was in this dream who looked at me with a cat-eating grin and said... "I like to take this shortcut." He said it as if he expected me to follow and then turned and walked right through the brick wall. I thought "Cool. I better hurry to the entrance with these other folks so I won't be late."
 When I woke up I was really sorry I had missed such an obvious cue. It would have been so easy to just say.. "Wait a sec, he can't walk through brick walls... this must be a dream." Not so easy for me I guess. I think the energy ways in RB's book have helped me more than anything lately. On 2 occasions I've noticed the strobe in the brow chakra but it didn't evolve into the rapid frequency Robert speaks of. Also just the past few days I've noticed catching movement to the edge of my vision as if something was there but as soon as I turn all I catch is a split second glimpse of a gray, misty almost like smoke. Sometimes if I turn my head back straight and don't focus on it I can see it 2 or 3 times more before the effect seems to fade. I think this is somehow related to the energy work but it doesn't seem frightening, just interesting. Sorry to ramble on so but I did promise an update.

peace,
cho

[Tom]

The trick about looking at the hands in a dream is to stabilize the dream. Don Juan in Carlos Castaneda's book suggests looking at the hands and then looking briefly at a couple of objects in the dream, alternative between hands and objects. Don Juan suggests that dreams should be stable until the dreamer chooses to change something. It also helps to sustain lucidity. It is the first of what is referred to as a series of seven gates and it is the hardest of the seven. Seeing the hands in a dream is reaching the first gate. I forgot what was required to go through it.

[lucid dancer]

Tom,    that sounds interesting.  I haven't read any of Carlos' books.  What are the seven gates?

[fredhedd]

i read in a book on lucid dreaming a description on something called the critical faculty. it's our level of awareness in both waking and dream state. when we are awake the critical faculty is on full alert but when we are dreaming it is almost shut off completely. the trick is to constantly ck it during the waking hours so you then integrate it into the dream state. the book reads: if there were a girl sitting across from you w/ four eyes in a restaurant in your dream and you think to yourself "hmm, that girl is very pretty but has four eyes, that spoils her",  that the critical faculty is pretty much shut off. half on would be "that's odd, that girl has four eyes", and of course fully active would be " whoa , that girl has four eyes, i must be dreaming. so every situation that you can apply it to, ask yourself is everything normal. obviously you have to be serious about the question and do some actual cking into the situation even if it feels silly or awkward.

[PeacefulWarrior]

Has anyone here had any experience/succes using LD induction devices? A few years ago at the Univeristy I saw a demonstration involving them...I guess some of them flash lights when they sense REM and then the user realizes he or she is dreaming.  I have heard a lot of good...now let's hear some tesimonials!

For those not familiar with these devices:

http://members.aol.com/Aarenka/lucidintro.html
http://www.lucid-tech.com/

DT