Stephen LaBerge's "Lucid Dreaming"

[Xanth]

I've had a lot of time on my hands at work lately... so I've been reading A LOT.  I started with one of the earlier books by Stephen LaBerge and now I've move onto, "Lucid Dreaming", I think was released in the early 2000's. 

Anyway, I'm finding it extremely fascinating in the experiments which they ran on lucid dreamers.  Experiments where they tested what happens to the physical body under certain lucid dreaming circumstances.  Everything from what happens on the EEG when they sing or count while lucid right up to sexual experiences.

Essentially, the physical body still responds strongly in the way you might think it would during any such experience happening.

The question is... is your awareness controlling your physical body, or is your physical body controlling your awareness?  If that makes sense.

Makes one wonder what happens when our physical body ceases to function... as it seems that there seems to be a huge connection between our awareness and our physical body - perhaps one can't exist without the other?  I don't believe that for a second, but again, who knows?

[LightBeam]

The question is... is your awareness controlling your physical body, or is your physical body controlling your awareness?  If that makes sense.

In my experiences I perceive this to be a constant exchange of information between the two and a constant connection regardless of where does our focus lie at any given time. I believe the NP experiences of those connected to a physical vehicle differ from those who are not attached to one. I've had both ways influences. The time my head was struck by a lightening in a dream I woke up with a headache. I rarely have headaches and that night when I went to bed I did not have one, so the NP experience influenced my physical body. Then many times when I restrict myself from sweets a long time my body starts craving sugar, that influences my dreams and APs where I end up looking for food and eating. The urge of my body to have sugar provoke thoughts which manifest in the NP and made me look for sweets. I believe same applies for sexual urges f the body, it influences one's thoughts and they mold instantly the raw energy accordingly. Held long enough with intensity they may manifest in the physical in one form or another/ create our outer reality, but we can also perceive them immediately in dreams and other NP experiences when we shut off the outer senses. When we have the outer senses active obviously we can't perceive how our thoughts mold the raw energy to match our thoughts and emotions but they are there all in our vicinity happening instantly, we just can't see them.
What happens after we detach from physical vehicles, I don't know. We will find out when that happens.

[Xanth]

In my experiences I perceive this to be a constant exchange of information between the two and a constant connection regardless of where does our focus lie at any given time. I believe the NP experiences of those connected to a physical vehicle differ from those who are not attached to one. I've had both ways influences. The time my head was struck by a lightening in a dream I woke up with a headache. I rarely have headaches and that night when I went to bed I did not have one, so the NP experience influenced my physical body. Then many times when I restrict myself from sweets a long time my body starts craving sugar, that influences my dreams and APs where I end up looking for food and eating. The urge of my body to have sugar provoke thoughts which manifest in the NP and made me look for sweets. I believe same applies for sexual urges f the body, it influences one's thoughts and they mold instantly the raw energy accordingly. Held long enough with intensity they may manifest in the physical in one form or another/ create our outer reality, but we can also perceive them immediately in dreams and other NP experiences when we shut off the outer senses. When we have the outer senses active obviously we can't perceive how our thoughts mold the raw energy to match our thoughts and emotions but they are there all in our vicinity happening instantly, we just can't see them.
What happens after we detach from physical vehicles, I don't know. We will find out when that happens.

Then I guess, the big question, which we'll probably never have an answer to:  What happens when there's no more physical body? 

[LightBeam]

Then I guess, the big question, which we'll probably never have an answer to:  What happens when there's no more physical body? 

yep, not 100% sure, however when Dolores Cannon took people to the immediate time after death under hypnosis, the predominant experience is unconditional love, being taken to review their life that just ended to look at it from a bigger perspective, the lessons, the choices, the interactions with people, family, etc. They can make a decision on another life and make agreements with other souls who will play which role in another life, what challenges they want to set up, what lessons are still pending to be learned and set up challenges accordingly. That is from a larger spirit's perspective view where setting up challenges does not seem extreme like it would to us fragmented characters. And at the same time the spirit as it remembered itself as this last life character can spend what seems thousands of years in our perspective exploring the multiverse being free to experience whatever it chooses without a physical form but still experiencing all desires it had as it did in the physical, connect with loved ones, create similar environment as it was in the physical but without pain and suffering, sort of a very fun version of the life and the fond memories to be relived in harmony and joy. At some point it can dive into focusing to another life from another character's perspective within a physical system. The super consciousness of many people under hypnosis have told Dolores that there are many things we as humans can not understand and are not meant to understand especially when comes to "time" interpretation. Like a character can never stop existing, it does not simply go from one life to another and after death it sees go exist assuming it is someone else. It never stops existing not from already occurred events that we call past, but it can go on continuing its journey through the multiverse if it chooses. But at the same time it has infinite other lives as other characters. It can perceive its fragments one at a time, but it can perceive its wholeness and also the oneness on the highest level all simultaneously. Fragmented characters can also trap themselves in a NP reality of their own beliefs for a while even negative ones, but help is always there, it just has to be recognized and allowed to help. But no soul is lost forever. That is an absolute conclusion by Dolores.

[Xanth]

yep, not 100% sure, however when Dolores Cannon took people to the immediate time after death under hypnosis, the predominant experience is unconditional love, being taken to review their life that just ended to look at it from a bigger perspective, the lessons, the choices, the interactions with people, family, etc. They can make a decision on another life and make agreements with other souls who will play which role in another life, what challenges they want to set up, what lessons are still pending to be learned and set up challenges accordingly. That is from a larger spirit's perspective view where setting up challenges does not seem extreme like it would to us fragmented characters.

That's the part which always threw me for a loop and I could never reconcile it within myself.  The notion that, after we physically die and move on from here, that we can "setup" our next lives like that. 

Like, is there a queue of "spirits" sitting there waiting to "take a turn" at playing the human game?  Or what about things like abortions or babies who just happen to die for whatever reason before they're born.  Do those "spirits" then have to go back and wait in line again to be re-born?  And what about WHERE you're born and WHO you're born to?  These concepts I could never reconcile.    LoL  Sorry, mostly just thinking out loud right now. 

As I'm reading this "Lucid Dreaming" book of LaBerge's, it's obviously all about "lucid dreaming" (duh, eh?  HAHA)... however, it could just as easily be entitled "Astral Projection". 

This is why I'm so puzzled why people feel that all these different labels we use are actually different experiences.  It really floors me.  He, literally, speaks about all of the same phenomenon which we discuss here regularly.  Vibrations, sleep paralysis, etc... all of it is INDENTICAL.

I tried doing some searching on whether Stephen LaBerge worked at all with Robert Monroe.  I know Monroe worked with a lot of these people, but I can't seem to find anything about LaBerge working with Monroe or TMI.

[LightBeam]

Like, is there a queue of "spirits" sitting there waiting to "take a turn" at playing the human game?  Or what about things like abortions or babies who just happen to die for whatever reason before they're born.  Do those "spirits" then have to go back and wait in line again to be re-born?  And what about WHERE you're born and WHO you're born to?  These concepts I could never reconcile.    LoL  Sorry, mostly just thinking out loud right now. 

Take time out of the equation and it may be easier to understand  . And to make it even more complicated, on top of infinite dimensions, there are infinite versions of each character within a given dimension.  That's the multiverse for ya    Anything and everything exists and nothing is impossible.
Babies who are aborted or die shortly after have agreed to go through the embrio experience only, and they may have agreed to serve as a learning tool for the loved ones experiencing a loss.

[Xanth]

Take time out of the equation and it may be easier to understand  . And to make it even more complicated, on top of infinite dimensions, there are infinite versions of each character within a given dimension.  That's the multiverse for ya    Anything and everything exists and nothing is impossible.
Babies who are aborted or die shortly after have agreed to go through the embrio experience only, and they may have agreed to serve as a learning tool for the loved ones experiencing a loss.

I thought about that the other day... "everything exists" and "nothing is impossible".  In an infinite universe, we can safely say that anything which could happen, DOES happen.  I thought about that, and I came to the conclusion that it couldn't be like that. 

Now obviously, I could (and let's face it, probably am) be wrong... but if everything has already happened, then there's a reality out there which has figured out how to not only contact other realities, but destroy other realities as well.  There should be a reality out there which has destroyed every other reality.

Or am I overthinking things?  LoL

[LightBeam]

Or am I overthinking things?  LoL

haha, definitely
If someone believes and wants to observe all being destroyed then this may become their reality and they will perceive it as such, but it will be THEIR reality. If others want to join with similar beliefs they can create a whole universe that will function based on that premises. Infinity makes it all possible, and impossible at the same time.
But however ALL THAT IS functions, I don't try to understand it all, because I know that at this game we are not meant to, so I leave it at that. I just focus on being the best version of my current character that I am in focus and have fun. Any "downloads" of knowledge are welcomed. I keep an open mind and they come.