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[James S]

Gothika,

I'm really impressed about your words. I would hate to be myself a parasite, even sanguine or psychic. That's why I went vegan years ago, to avoid the perversion of blood consumption.

I really believe that the so called psy vampires are but puppets of their own unresolved inner problems. For sure, some kind of inner archetype which may be bad aspected in their minds' constellations.

Slavery ended up time ago, at least in what it's related to law. Parasiting, in humans, is the very worst thing you could do, the most egoistic one.

And, really, I don't believe that energy can be drained out of a person. Maybe you can harass someone psychically maltreating his mind, and believing you're having some kind of extra charge.

I've just realized that you all (only vamps alluded) could have some reiki course to just absorb directly from the source. That way normal people could live their lives by their own energetic means.

We have enough "vamps": politicians, tv,... too many suckers.

(yes, I'm angry with this kind of things...)

Well said andonitxo, thank you!

I'm sorry Gothica, but I've been reading through this and other similar threads thinking your not a vampire, your a romantic! You've watched Interview with a Vampire of Underworld one too many times, and enjoy hanging out in Goth nightclubs.

I've experienced the healing that has taken place in some real psy-vamps. These are people who unconsciously latch on to the strengths of other people to help prop themselves up, and it really is a sad existance. Once they're healed of this they then learn to be self sufficient and draw energy in direct from the universe.

Don't try to tell me that "human" energy is different from universal energy either. That's crap! It's all exactly the same stuff and not like a difference between AC and DC. The only difference is a persons energy body tends to be muddied and dulled by their negative thoughts and emotions.

I'm not going to try to tell you to change or do anything about it. That's entirely up to you. What I would say, from an abundance of experience both personal and my affiliation with a few colleges for spiritual and healing studies, is people who are afflicted with the need to draw energy from others, generally wish to be healed of their problems and come into an awareness of the huge abundance of pure energy freely available around us, like through learning Reiki, not romanticise their problems into some Bram Stokes, Anne Rice existance.

Telling us you wish to deliberately "feed" off other people, is not clever, it's really quite sad. I can only hope that for your own health's sake you choose to grow out of it.
Oh, was that something you hadn't considered?
When you take the energies of others into yourself, you also take on the source of many of their emotional and physical illnesses. Happens quite a lot.

James.

[El-Bortukali]

lol who isn't infactuated with the "Interview with the vampire" vampires,they are so gorgeous

[Dakmor]

Hey dont forget that many people do not have the choice to be a normal person. Dont say that vampires are parasite. Because humans are the parasites of the nature and because of this fact they call themselves superior. So why call vampires parasites? Vampires are superior. -Psychic abilities and senses are more improved than the humans- And there is something called Black Veil. It is vampire ethics and all vampires who are avare of their "gift" have to obey this set of rules.


THE BLACK VEIL

1. DISCRETION
This lifestyle is private and sacred. Respect it as such. Use discretion in who you reveal yourself to, and make certain that your motives are to truly communicate about our culture and to engender understanding. By no means should you talk to others about yourself and our community when your motives are for selfish reasons such as self-promotion, sensationalism, and attention-getting.
Do not hide from your nature, but never show it off to those who won't understand.

2. DIVERSITY
Our paths are many, even though the journey we are on is essentially the same. No single one of us has all the answers to who and what we are. Respect everyone's personal views and practices. We cannot let petty differences of ideology prevent us from maintaining a unified community; there are enough who would attack us from the outside.
Our diversity is our strength. Let our differences in viewpoint enrich us but never divide us upon ourselves.

3. SAFETY
Use sense when indulging your nature. Do not flaunt what you are in public places. Feed in private and make certain your donors will be discrete about what happens between you. Donors who create rumors and gossip about us are more harm than they're worth. If you engage in blood-letting, put safety and caution above all other things. Blood-borne diseases are a very real thing, and we cannot risk endangering ourselves or others through irresponsibility. Screen donors carefully, making certain they are in good health both mentally and physically.
Never overindulge or get careless. The safety of the entire community rests upon each member's caution.

4. CONTROL
We cannot and should not deny the darkness within. Yet we should not allow it to control us. If our beast or shadow or darkside is given too much sway, it clouds our judgment, making us a danger even to those we love. Never indulge in pointless violence. Never bring willful harm to those who sustain you. Never feed only for the sake of feeding, and never give over to mindless bloodlust.
We are not monsters: we are capable of rational thought and self-control. Celebrate the darkness and let it empower you, but never let it enslave your will.

5. LIFESTYLE
Live your life as an example to others in the community. We are privileged to be what we are, but power should be accompanied by responsibility and dignity. Explore and make use of your vampire nature, but keep it in balance with material demands. Remember: we may be vampires, but we are still a part of this world. We must live lives like everyone else here, holding jobs, keeping homes, and getting along with our neighbors.
Being what we are is not an excuse to not participate in this reality. Rather, it is an obligation to make it a better place for us to be.

6. FAMILY
We are, all of us, a family, and like all families, various members will not always get along. However, respect the greater community when having your disputes. Do not let your individual problems bring emotional strife to the family as a whole. Settle your differences quietly among one another, only seeking out an elder's aid in mediation when no other solution seems possible. Never bring your private disputes into public places and never draw other family members into the issue by forcing them to take sides.
Like any normal family, we should always make an effort to present a stable and unified face to the rest of the world even when things are not perfect between us.

7. HAVENS
Our havens are safeplaces where everyone in the community can come to socialize. There are also often public places where we are likely to encounter people who don't understand our ways. We should respect the patrons of these places as we should also respect the owners of the establishments and always be discrete in our behavior. We should never bring private disputes into a haven. We should never initiate violence in a haven. And we should never do or bring anything illegal into a haven, as this reflects badly upon the community as a whole.
The haven is the hub of the whole community, and we should respect it as such, supporting it without business and working to improve its name in the scene so that we can always call it home.

8. TERRITORY
The community is extensive and diverse. Every city has a different way of doing things, and a different hierarchy of rule. When entering a new city, you should familiarize yourself with the local community. Seek out the local havens. Learn what households have sway here. Get in touch with key members of the community, learn who is who, and show proper respect where it is due. You should not expect to impose your old way of doing things on this new scene. Rather you should adapt to their rules and be glad of their acceptance.
Always be on your best behavior when coming to a new city either to visit or to stay. We are all cautious and territorial by nature, and only by making the most positive impression possible will you be accepted and respected in a new community.

9. RESPONSIBILITY
This lifestyle is not for everyone. Take care in who you choose to bring into it. Those who are mentally or emotionally unstable have no place among us. They are dangerous and unreliable and may betray us in the future. Make certain that those you choose to bring in are mature enough for this burden. Teach them control and discretion, and make certain that they respect our ways.
You will be responsible for their actions, and their behavior in the community will be reflected back to you.

10. ELDERS
There are certain members of our community who have established themselves as just and responsible leaders. These are the people who helped establish local communities, who organize havens, and who work to coordinate the networking of the scene. While their word does not have to be law, they should nevertheless be respected. They have greater experience than many others, and usually greater wisdom. Seek these elders out to settle your disputes, to give you guidance and instruction, and to help you establish yourself in the local scene.
Appreciate the elders for all they have given you: if it was not for their dedication, the community would not exist as it does now.

11. DONORS
Without those who offer themselves body and soul to us, we would be nothing. We cannot be other than what we are, but it is the donors who sustain our nature. For this service, they should be respected. Never mistreat your donors, physically or emotionally. They are not to be manipulated or leeched off of for more than what they freely offer. Never take them for granted. Appreciate them for the companionship and acceptance which they offer us, which so many others would refuse. This above all: appreciate the gift of their life. That communion is sacred. Never fail to treat it as such.

12. LEADERSHIP
When you choose to take a position of authority in the community, remember that you do not lead for yourself alone. Leadership is a responsibility, not a privilege. A good leader must set an example for everyone through his actions and behavior. His motives should be selfless and pure, and he should put the interests of the whole community before his own.
The best leaders are those who serve to better the community and whose person and behavior gives no one -- even those outside of the community -- a reason to criticize them.

13. IDEALS
Being a vampire is not just about feeding upon life. That is what we do, but not necessarily what we are. It is our place to represent darkness in a world blinded by light. We are about being different and accepting that difference as something that empowers us and makes us unique. We are about accepting the dark within ourselves and embracing that darkness to make us whole beings. We are about celebrating the thresholds: body and spirit, pleasure and pain, death and life.
Our lives should be lived as a message to the world about the beauty of accepting the whole self, of living without guilt and without shame, and celebrating the unique and beautiful essence of every single soul.


And about energy draining.. If you are a member of this forum possibly you believe energy can be controlled. Energy draining is the same as energy channelling, just the source of the enegry is different. Energy draining can be learnedi but the vampires have this talent by birth. Think vampires like a vacuum in the middle of atmosphere. Vampires drain enegy like the vacuum drains the air. But of course this process can be controlled by practice.


And a last point, it is true that many vampire lovers occured after the film Interview with a Vampire and the pc game Vampire the masqurade. And these people think that they are vampires just wear black cloths drink some blood -generally they vommit in a second lol- and try to be gothic. I dont claim that I am a blood sucking vampire,  I am not, and being a vampire is not something you can achieve it is something inborn -Also pschic vampirism is-. But I know many people who are real  blood suckers, I hae seen people who are in deep need and I have made energy exchance. I want to say that If anyone have any doubt just meet a vampire. I live in Turkey I can show you if you come to Turkey.
Note: I'm not sure but some psy vamps say that they can channel energy from the people they talk in internet

So to summarize
Vampires are real and are not parasites..

[El-Bortukali]

So why don't you people draw energy from the source itself?

[Nay]

THE BLACK VEIL

1. DISCRETION
This lifestyle is private and sacred.

Way to go, you failed your test.  You will be fed upon later because  the elders are angry with you....

[Dakmor]

Heh heh so funny..
This is the old version of the black veil it was written by father todd. The thing I wrote in this forums can be found in internet with a litle research. It may be private before but not now -not completely-

I just wanted to teach and inform people... I dont want to be rude but its not your job to judge me..

This is the discretion part from the current revised version -by michelle belanger- of black veil..
Discretion
Respect yourself and present yourself so that others also respect you. Take care in who you reveal yourself to. Explain what you are, not to shock, but to teach and to inform. Do not flaunt what you are, and know that whether you want them to or not, your actions will reflect upon the rest of the community.
 Share your nature only with those with the wisdom to understand and accept it, and learn to recognize these people.

[Dakmor]

So why don't you people draw energy from the source itself?

What do you mean by "the source itself" The cosmos?

[Nay]

Dakmor wrote:
Heh heh so funny..
This is the old version of the black veil it was written by father todd. The thing I wrote in this forums can be found in internet with a litle research. It may be private before but not now -not completely-

I just wanted to teach and inform people... I dont want to be rude but its not your job to judge me..

I don't want to be rude either, but if you come on a public forum and claim such......things, then I believe under the cosmos law I'm allowed to state my judgment.  And if I'm not mistaken, anything written after the opening line, "this lifestyle is private and sacred" is a contradiction, isn't it?  Which pretty much nulls and voids anything there after.

[Dakmor]

I believe that I have explained you my reason about  that opening line. I am aware of everything I have done, and I didn't made anything wrong.. I didn't claim such .... ?? things I just informed people and I dont think that I have violated any of the forum rules. If you dont like my postes just dont read them and please dont make judgements about someone you do not know anything about.

And... If you are too annoyed that you cannot stop yourself to give a response, give it in a kind way, you dont have to believe something but you MUST respect, as I respect your beliefs.. .
So I wont say anything further...

[James S]

lol who isn't infactuated with the "Interview with the vampire" vampires,they are so gorgeous

Hehe. Yep!
I had to mention Underworld coz Kate Beckinsale could bite me any time!

Hey dont forget that many people do not have the choice to be a normal person. Dont say that vampires are parasite. Because humans are the parasites of the nature and because of this fact they call themselves superior. So why call vampires parasites? Vampires are superior. -Psychic abilities and senses are more improved than the humans- And there is something called Black Veil. It is vampire ethics and all vampires who are avare of their "gift" have to obey this set of rules.

As a medium who has psychic abilities and greatly improved senses I have to say this paragraph is in error for the following reasons:

1) We all have a choice to be normal or not just as we all have a choice to hold on to fears and insecurities or not.

2) Any organism that feeds off another organism without providing some form of symbiotic benefits in return is a parasite!

3) "Vampire's" are people who have developed superiority attitudes as coping mechanisms because of their fears and insecurities about normal social interaction.

4) We ALL have the ability to have greatly improved psychic abilities and senses.

Had a look in the Energy forums lately?
Full of people who have discovered energy awareness and energy raising techniques, like NEW or Reiki and drawing on the abundance of universal life force energy in it's purest most powerful state.

This is a point that I don't think the Goth wannabes here seem to understand. Drawing on humans for energy compared to drawing on the Universe for energy is like using a half flat standard batteries into a torch instead of using a fresh new lithium batteries that are being given to you for free.

James.

[El-Bortukali]

So why don't you people draw energy from the source itself?

What do you mean by "the source itself" The cosmos?

all the energy that surrounds us.

[Dakmor]

James you do not understand.

Vampirism is a genetic desease and it has confirmed by scientific reasons.

Vampires DO give benefits to the person they fed from. Their energy system is refilled with fresh new energy.

As I said before vampires are not normal people. The abilities are inborn. It is true that people can improve this abilities, the difference it is much more easy for a vampire.

[Dakmor]

And El-Bortukali, we generally do not feed from people around us. We feed from each other which is beneficial for both sides, If we cannot find aother vampire around us we use the tecnique called the ambient feeding. It is much more easy than draining energy from nature and you dont harm any person. You just go into a crowd and start to collect energy from the people, but you take a very little amount of energy from a single person so you dont harm anyone.

[GOTHIKA]

James S wrote:

I'm sorry Gothica, but I've been reading through this and other similar threads thinking your not a vampire, your a romantic! You've watched Interview with a Vampire of Underworld one too many times, and enjoy hanging out in Goth nightclubs.


Well to this I must say that

"I am a Psychic Vampire!"
"If you doubt it a demonstration can be arranged!"

But seriously I am most definitely not one of those wanna be Vamp posers that hang out in clubs wearing the fangs and the Marlin Manson contacts because they think its cool.


Don't try to tell me that "human" energy is different from universal energy either. That's crap! It's all exactly the same stuff and not like a difference between AC and DC. The only difference is a persons energy body tends to be muddied and dulled by their negative thoughts and emotions.

Some Psychic Vampires can maintain their diet by drawing on non human sources such as universal energy, etc. but then who would really notice or care if this was so?
They require vital human energy because this is the energy which they resonate with and is the most substantial to them.

When you take the energies of others into yourself, you also take on the source of many of their emotional and physical illnesses. Happens quite a lot.


I for one generally can sense if someone is not fit for me to engage in an energy transfer with regarding their emotional or physical state.
Once a psi gets a good dose of incompatible energy and has to purge it from their system they learn how in the future to notice such things.

[Nay]

I'd be willing to let you suck on my energy, Goth.  It would be interesting to see if I "felt" anything.

So, bring on the demonstration!

[GOTHIKA]

Dakmor wrote:

Vampirism is a genetic desease and it has confirmed by scientific reasons.


I personally find this theory to be highly questionable and don't have alot of faith in it either.

Vampires DO give benefits to the person they fed from. Their energy system is refilled with fresh new energy.


I don't wish to offend you but this statement, at least in the manner which you have arranged it is rather vague.
You did not mention how exactly their energy system is being refreshed.
Their energy system is refreshed when both the donor and the psi vamp are cycling energy between the both of them.
The vamp removes the stagnant energy from the donor, takes it into his or her own energy system at from which point it is released from their system and sent back out into the atmosphere, the cosmos, the floor, wherever they wish to direct it out of their system.
Also by concentrating on positive thoughts and having a sense of compassion for the other person involved helps to fill them with new fresh energy.

[Dakmor]

Dakmor wrote:
I personally find this theory to be highly questionable and don't have alot of faith in it either.

So did you became a vampire on your own will? I didn't met or heard of anyone like that..

[GOTHIKA]

Well, Dakmor,
No I did not voluntarily become a vampire on my own but its just that I really don't buy into that whole DNA theory.
It just seems so bizarre and far fetched.
I don't know what the cause is exactly for psi vampirism but I want to keep my mind open to more than just one possibility.

[Dakmor]

isn't the cause suppose to be you use up energy faster than you can make it?

Exactly.

I also do meditations and energy work.

[CFTraveler]

I think the statement 'vampirism is a genetic disease' is due to the fact that in antiquity, there were a couple of diseases that affected its victims causing symptoms that mimicked what vampirism was supposed to cause according to the legends.  These are very interesting (at least to me).

The better known one is porphyria, which makes you 'lust' for blood (your body actually needs it), and some of the side effects are sensitivity to light and your gums recede, giving you a 'long toothed' look.

Another lesser known disease, also genetic is xeroderma pigmentosa.  This is deadly, and many people born with it die very young.  The sufferer's body doesn't have the mechanisms that repair and 'clean up' cellular damage.  When we are out in the uv, our bodies clean up all cellular damage constantly, to renew itself.  The people that have this horrible condition can't be exposed to any light whatsoever- not even the low intensity light of a lightbulb- because every exposure causes toxic buildup that turns into cancer fairly quickly.  So they must live in constant darkness, not even being able to be exposed to any light- even at night.

Of course, this has nothing to do with energetic vampyrism, which I think is more common than people realize- it's just that sensitive people are more aware of it, and can use it.  As to blood sucking vampires- I don't think I know any, so have no opinion (or knowledge).  Other that I enjoy the literature.

[Dakmor]

The affects of taking adrenalin are very similar to vampirism. So i think some cases of vampirism may be caused by the specific part of the kidney which breaks down the adrenalin molecules.

Adrenalin highens your senses. You become more aware but more sensible to light and smells.

It uses up energy really fast so you loose your energy in a short time.And if this desease was inborn it is possible for the body to build its own system for the energy needs which may cause psy vampirism.

[CFTraveler]

I just read a fascinating article (not online) about Lord Byron: Apparently he had the reputation of being a vampire.  Any comments?