Dangers of Kundalini

[robertk4you]

My friend,its up to you.Raising kundalini,is not easy,and noone knows,what will occur,after you awake your kundalini,until you try it first.There are many things,one should do,to avoid negative symptoms.Knowledge is the key,when working with kundalini.Mind,body,and spirit,has to be very well balanced,in order to succesfully raise kundalini,without any body,or mind damage.

[narfellus]

My own personality type prompts me to learn as much about a subject as possible. In addition, i am aware that my own fears can manifest as obstacles, so to have a firm grip on them is essential. And lastly, i don't think God would make this information available to Mankind if She didn't want us to use it. Or at least be aware of it. Some inner part of myself yearns to be MORE than what i am. I feel unaccomplished in life, lost and often bored. No one should ever be bored, there is to much to Know.

[Blissful]

You seem to be very new in your exploration.  Try to enjoy the journal and learning process before jumping into things too deeply then you will have less to fear.

Good luck

Blissful

[narfellus]

yeah, i'm pretty new at all this. Well, in practice anyway, but i've been thinking about weird excrement since i was a weeeeeee little boy. [[] I guess that counts as SOME sort of primer...

[jilola]

I've read through the site you mentioned in your initial post.

The best way to prepeare for kundalini is to find out who your are in al aspects and embrace them. Anything you supress and reject will surface during the experience and cause you grief.
Balance of your self and outlook in life is the key to a pleasant and positive experience.

The warnings against kundalini stem from the early notion of spirituality as practised in the societies of the time, Theosophy, Rosicrucian, Thelema, Golden Dawn what have you. The warnings are meant to deter the seeker who's only goal is to gain supremacy and control over others and those who are not sincery in their quest.

Kundalini is primarily a balancing force so the further you are from balance to begin wth the stronger the possible adverse effects are.
It's also a creative booster and gives great insight into the spiritual (and other) question one has been pondering.

Don't get hung up on the negative experiences of others but rather seek your own provitive ad uplifting one. Go easy on yourself and don't hurry.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[narfellus]

thank you jiola, that outlook sort of helps. So feedback from ones imbalance or selfish goals or lack of understanding can really mess you up if and when you start raising your kundalini. Slow and sure is the way. Is this the same thing as raising the energy centers through any meditative process? How is this different from Kabalistic training, with their 10 power centers? I'm sure there is some overlap somewhere.

[Reality]

I read through the site as well, very interesting information. I especially liked the bit that kundalini burns away your earthly desires, thus making you fully pure!

Well anyway, I think getting a grip on kundalini is indeed a long term commitment, and not just a one day trip. Might be better to focus on the developement of the energy body first, and when kundalini comes, embrace it

Didn't they say on the site: who thinks to be ready for kundalini, will not experience it? There might be some truth into that.

Then again, I know very little about it yet.

Goodluck.

[narfellus]

Yes, i thought the link was very interesting as well. It approaches the topic and process of kundalini as VERY dangerous, and does not pull any punches. If you look through the 76 person case history you will find stories of people who meditate for a year, then KAPOW they suffer incredible pain up their spine and brain, vision and terrors, loneliness and bouts with mental institutions and western medicine that doesn't work because its not a problem known to science. One poor guy kept asking himself Why Why Why did i do this? Again, this comes back to the issue of balance...you are in the process of balancing your mind/body/soul, and the more out of whack you are to start with the greater the change to get you back in order. Furthermore, it seems like you are PHYSICALLY changing your neural network, actually changing on the cellular level to enable new levels of energy.  This is evolution of the human race in simplest terms. I suppose thousands of years from now (or hundreds?) if enough people did this practiced it and understood it (like i believe lost civilizations and ET's probably understood) then the human race would be very different.

So, i think i will begin by slowing building up my energy centers, aware of the end process and not trying to rush anything. The goal isn't to be superhuman or BETTER than other people, that's impossible, we are all the Same. I'll try to clear my doubts and fears and know that there is no fear.

[jilola]

quote:Slow and sure is the way. Is this the same thing as raising the energy centers through any meditative process? How is this different from Kabalistic training, with their 10 power centers? I'm sure there is some overlap somewhere.

I have absolutely no idea how it gets raised and how the kabalistic whatsit compares to the other ways oof energy manipulation. Honestly. I know a bit about most things but for me it all boils down to a variant of zazen/vipassana mixed with a lot of little useful bits and pieces.

The various approaches to the energy system appear to differ on the surface but I think it's more the matter of having a varying number of distinctions to the same thing than it is about there being a radically different energy system.

As for raisiing kundalini, I don't really think it can be raised by it self. Based on the many tales of spontaneous kundalini events by people who have no clue about ernergy work, spirituality or even are religious I think it raises when it raises and anything done to hasten it are of marginal effect.
You can do energy work and meditation all your life and nothing happens while some average Joe goes into psychosis due to an experience he has no idea how to handle and has no working knowledge of how to integrate in his life.

Thus I believe all the meditative/energy, let's call it metaphysical activity, serves to balance and resolve our spiritual conflicts and to clear and deepen our understanding of our true existence. That in turn will make it more likely the K will rise with as little adverse affect as possible. It's smoothing the path and clearing away the undergrowth.



2cents & L&L
Jouni

[narfellus]

QUOTE: "If the faculty of intuition is forced to advance in an
artificial way it will, to a corresponding extent, get ahead of the step in evolution that is otherwise normal for the beginnings of intuition. The being thereby gets cosmic glimpses before it has reached the normal step in evolution for receiving intuitive glimpses or personally experienced cosmic knowledge. The moral stability and nervous constitution necessary for being able to receive cosmic glimpses in a normal way has in such a case not been developed in the being. The cosmic glimpses can therefore very easily damage the nerves and mentality of the being."  

This is a common reoccuring theme on the posted weblink concerning kundalini. It almost seems like they want to discourage it. Would the beginning parts of this process also enable one to practice/enhance their psychic ability if they wanted to? It seems like ANY spiritual method ones uses to power up their 3rd eye and brow chakra can potentially open you to the spirit world and beyond. Cosmic glimpses...

[jilola]

Reality:

quote:I especially liked the bit that kundalini burns away your earthly desires, thus making you fully pure!

I don't thiink it necessarily makes one pure but it does gove one excellent tools and ability to get closer to that state.

Narfellus:
I think a fair analogy would be filling a glass with a garden hose and doing the same with a 5 inch firehose. Or perhaps comparing a Ferrari to a Yugo.

Also the quote refers to "forcing" the development to happen at a pace too fast for thhe individuals overall state of development.
Add to that a lack of knowledge of what the increased intuitive capacity can deliver and the concoction for disaster is ready.

Indeed the beginning parts would help development of the faculties but too often the initial part goes by in an instant and proceeds to overwhelm the practitioner.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[narfellus]

I agree, i think most of these energy raising techniques have a common goal, with cultural, societal, and other deviations that might make them seem more different than they are. Different names in different languages and whatnot. Even witches and their magic is a curious channeling of personal energy, focused by desire and intent. It seems to me that "traditional" western religions discouraged any delving into the occult, like Christianity, and i think i know why. One can learn to be loving to your neighbor as oneself, and that All is Love, without having to force your brain into early evolution.

[jilola]

quote:It seems to me that "traditional" western religions discouraged any delving into the occult, like Christianity, and i think i know why.

The reason, imho, is that if people were to realize that they have a) a direct and personal link to the divine and that b) that divine does not require worship and material things the churches of past withtheir nobility and independent taxation and the resulting influence in society would be gone overnight.
Most of what todays religions are was forged in a time when the church controlled society and had a deep interest in keeping it that way.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[narfellus]

yeah, the firehose and the glass is a good analogy. I think it is wonderful in our day and Age, thanks to the Internet mainly, that our group consciousness gets to share and re-explore lost knowledge. This is all old news, it's just that i was always taught it was hocus pocus or the Devil's Work. It's neither. It's actually the only thing that is REAL.

[SomeBloke]

Narfellus thanks for the link - I keep meaning to get Gopi Krishna's book on his chaotic kundalini experience.

You know, if you believe that over time the inhabitants of this planet will gradually evolve spiritually, one day we will all come face to face with the effects of kundalini arousal.  Most people don't even believe it exists! I think this is gonna be fun.

[narfellus]

Have fun Bloke, just watch yourself! Take it slooooow. And you're right, our planet is moving toward a spiritual evolution that it might never have seen before. Not enough people know about it yet. They think bombs and tanks and wars and oil and money will solve problems and provide abundance for the people. HAH! See how well it works?

[SomeBloke]

http://www.kundaliniyoga.org/classes.html

Online course in kundalini yoga - I read the first couple of lessons, interesting because it addresses the issue of problems caused by spontaneous kundalini awakening, and mentions the transition to the Aquarian age which it says will start in 2012 and lots of other groovy stuff.

Fav quote so far:
When the techniques used are primarily mental and do not include the physical preparation and training, the body cannot handle the energy.

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus

Have fun Bloke, just watch yourself! Take it slooooow. And you're right, our planet is moving toward a spiritual evolution that it might never have seen before. Not enough people know about it yet. They think bombs and tanks and wars and oil and money will solve problems and provide abundance for the people. HAH! See how well it works?

Like Shaft would say. You're damn right!

People who think like that, have been deluded succesfully by those who try to control them. I too think the solution lies in a big spiritual shift.

(me gonna take a better look at kundalini now)

[Mystic Cloud]

As Jiilola said, you must be aware of BOTH negative and positive traits in yourself. So you should probably inspect more the negatives as they tend to be shuffled away by most.

One night I went through 4-5 different traumas in 2 hours. Felt
the suppressed emotions and had to go through them. I was pushed
pretty far because it was emotionally really intense.

So here if I would have been a person fearing the negative aspects in myself and neglating them I would have made matters MUCH worse.
They would probably have come again in the form of demons or something worse []

[narfellus]

hey bloke, thanks for the link. I have now officially joined the online Kundalini Yoga class for free (if they charged i wouldn't have looked twice). Here's MY favorite quite, and one that specifically addresses the concerns i had originally and puts my mind at ease:

Unconsciousness is Dangerous
Periodically we get asked if the practice of Kundalini yoga is dangerous. First, many of the people who advance this opinion are not talking about KY as taught by Yogi Bhajan. When you hear an opinion about KY investigate if the person has actually practiced KY as taught by Yogi Bhajan. They often have not and are talking about spontaneous Kundalini awakenings of someone who has never practiced KY. Second, spreading fear and negativity perpetuates the current paradigm and system.

Personally, I have learned not to engage in conversations trying to prove ideas based on different opinions with the goal of convincing or proving an idea right or wrong. Everyone has their own reality and experiences, which are true for them. Some also have opinions not based on experience. I avoid this territory. I was in academia for decades and intellectual conversations based on speculation hurt my head.

There is no denying that people have had spontaneous kundalini awakenings with severe side effects. Also some people have raised their kundalini through meditation and visualization. When the techniques used are primarily mental and do not include the physical preparation and training, the body cannot handle the energy. In both cases the body is not prepared to receive the high levels of energy. It makes sense that if your body is wired for 100 volts and you receive 1000 or 10,000 volts, there could be negative reactions. We practice Kundalini yoga to avoid these situations.

Kundalini yoga as taught by Yogi Bhajan is the yoga of consciousness. We systematically train our mind and attune our body to hold higher frequencies of energy associated with Kundalini and consciousness energy. People in the past who have not strengthened their nervous system or prepared their bodies and psyches to hold these vibrations have had problems. The evolution of consciousness is a universal reality. It is certainly wiser to prepare oneself for awakening than to live in denial and try to remain asleep.

The most dangerous thing in this world is to live unconsciously. The state of the world is a stark testimony to this fact, as is the condition of the lives of most human beings. When we are not conscious, we are not only ruled by our subconscious programming, we are a puppet of the global unconscious. Now that is scary!! We all have examples in our lives where we have created turmoil and conflict without consciously choosing to do so. Who wouldn't choose prosperity, loving relationships, vibrant health, joyful living and rewarding work? Then why are so many people suffering from poverty, painful relationships, depression, illness and unrewarding work? Why do we create so many problems and then have to spend so much time and energy dealing with them? The answer is lack of consciousness, which links us to the cycle of karma and struggle.

There is only one way out. Wake up and stay awake! And we have to do this for ourselves. We are most fortunate to have the gift of Kundalini yoga to help us in this process. This doesn't mean we will automatically live in utopia. But as Yogi Bhajan used to tell us, "I didn't tell you everything would be perfect. I said you will be able to make it through to victory."

[kiauma]

Great Link!  Great Quote!
Thanks Narfellus and SomeBloke!  [8D]

[BOATS]

My own experience with this is that I knew nothing about it and caused a raising.  I had a very difficult time sleeping after the raising and stopped meditation which is what caused it to begin with.  It felt like I was having panic attacks during the day and felt as if I was slipping OBE when I closed my eyes.  At night lying in bed I would sometimes have to get up and go for a ride in my car.  I did not have anywhere to turn as I did not what it was.  I would also hear church bells sometimes in my right ear.  I finially had several panic attacks and went to the hospital with a heart rate 145 beats a minute.  This could have had the potential to kill someone with a weak heart.  I however run 6 miles a day. I think it probally does alter nural networks.  It subsided over time.  Anyone who attempts to raise energy in this manner I strongly sugest doing so slowing and refraining from alchol or drugs of any type.

[narfellus]

Thank you BOATS, good points. The key i believe (and i haven't started kundalini yet) is knowing WHAT you are doing to your body, and yes, refrain from drugs and alcohol (which might be hard because i like alcohol dammit). But the payoff is worth it and much better than a stupid buzz. Cheaper too. []

[Naiad780]

The way it was explained to me:

It can be very harmful if you go too fast and too heavily.  You can't just charge in there like a bull and yell, "Get moving, snake!"  You can't approach it like that even a little bit.  Forcing it is a bad, bad idea and can cause all the problems you hear about and worse.  

If you go very gently and gradually, understanding that it can take years upon years, and don't greedily lust after results, then you shouldn't worry.  That doesn't mean it will be easy or non-stressful, or that you shouldn't be aware and very careful, but you should be able to deal with the complications that arise.

I practice my meditations and the NEW procedures and sometimes I feel little twitches of what I believe are kundalini.  I try not to get too worked up and trust that when I am ready, it will wake up fully.  For now, I take these little signs as progress and I don't fear them.

[Mystic Cloud]

Hehe I tried yelling at the Red Dragon to rush,
it just 'laughed' at me and gave me the correct emotional
state to ask it again.

The feeling I got was that I should prepare myself for atleast
3 days and then do it again []