Energy loss through sex.

[Humbled]

About 3 weeks or so after I began the NEW system, my body became sensative to energetic activity.  I began feeling what could only be described as bugs under my skin crawling around.

6 months have passed since then and I've discovered that ejaculation is the source of the problem.  I have confirmed the relationship of energy and semen in taoist scriptures.  I have managed to refrain from sexual orgasm and the effect has reduced to being very mild.

Here's the thing though.  The longer I refrain from it, the more my energy builds and builds.  I can feel more energy pumping through me and I am able to see auras better and better every day that passes.  However, once I get to a certain point, I can't even think about sex without losing energy.

Does anyone have any experience with this that could help me?  I would like to build my energy in this manner, but I don't want to refrain from sex.  I want to have my cake and eat it too.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks.

[Ybom]

Humbled,
Try to strengthen your other chakras, putting a lot of energy in them as well. If you can tap the power of your secondary energy areas as well, this will let you fill your storage areas much quicker, which is the primary focus of learning NEW.

[gdo]

This is an important subject.  

Energy is, just that, Energy!

Each of us has the power to create and to reproduce.  We reproduce our bodies every day (at night when we sleep).  

We each also have different vehicle sensitivities and we are not all on the same 'path' at the same time.  

There is a time when the abilty to handle 'reproductive engeries'  encompasses the practice of restraint in order to conserve energy to accomplish certain goals.  From my understanding this is not always a permanent restraint.  

Excessive and compulsive restraint without the proper preparations is more damaging than helpful.  

As I am not your 'teacher' I can only suggest to experiment.  And also exercise caution.   The build up of energy can also reveal areas of our personalities that need to be worked on and to be strengthened.  

Imagine that in a purified or transparent personality the energy can lead to extrordinary experiences and in a personality where there is a weakness or a distortion the weakness or distortion can become energized also rather than just the good qualities.

[James S]

Ok, time to throw the pagan cat amongst the religious pidgeons.

Taoist scriptures were written by old men who weren't getting any!

One of the very best things you can do for your energy body is to HAVE SEX!!!!

The best way to make your energy "conduits" perform better is to use them, NOT bottle up the energy with no release. Any Reiki master will tell you this - the more you use energy, the more you allow to pass through you, the stronger and more capable your energy body becomes.

Sex is a very well designed, practical, not to mention FUN way of incresing the natural energy flow through the body.
When two people engage in mutually pleasurable sex they form a circuit  that allows a great deal of energy to be exchanged between them. That's where it all happens - exchange of energy. High ammounts of energy flow out of each of them into the other. As they give, they get given, and each chakra becomes activated by the pool of energy generated between the two.

To refrain from it causes blockages in the base (and sacral) chakra. Allowing sexual energy to build up without any form of release makes for one very murky base chakra, and if the base chakra is struggleing, you're not going to get much through to the rest of the energy body.

Of course the trick here is to not treat sex as just a physical need. Get all of the four bodies involved - physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Approach it with the intent to give pleasure as well as recieve, and trust me - you'll be amazed by the ammount of good it does for your energy body, and the rest of you.

I should mention that what I've said here has not come from some book or some kind of spiritual teachings, it's all real life experience from being consciously aware of what happens with energy flows during sex, and going without for long periods.

Blessings,
James.

[gdo]

Dear James,
None of the replies so far have mentioned religion at all to the original post.  So, where is the pagan cat?  

Some people choose to abstain from sexual activity and some do not.
Not everyone is in a situation that they have a suitable mate also. There is a point, however, when an aspiring person will need to learn to conserve energy for certain goals.  This has nothing to do with religion but with the subtle forces at work at mental and subconcious and physical levels that have very beneficial results.

[James S]

Hi gdo (dyslexic god???)

My thinking here is that if it wasn't for the ongoing suppression of sex and sexuality by the worlds younger religions, we wouldn't even be discussing this topic.

That's the angle I was coming from. I feel that it is because of socio-religious influences that people feel the need to discuss the implications of sex, as if it is something foreign or dangerous to us.

Pagans tend not to overthink the implications because they're generally not bogged down by religious ideologies, and would rather just get on with enjoying it as we're meant to.

Blessings,
James.

[Ybom]

Today society deems sex as a bad thing because it's riddled with "diseases" if you do it enough. How do we get around this touchy subject? I have no clue.

[gdo]

"This has nothing to do with religion but with the subtle forces at work at mental and subconscious and physical levels that have very beneficial results."


As for religions influence, it really started with the early tribes.  In order for a tribe to succeed there had to be rules about who could mate with who.  They had to be able to discern which children belonged to whom and what they would inherit.

But what the original post was about was not of a religious nature but one of inner or spiritual  growth.  Inner or spiritual growth is not limited to or by religions.  The reproductive energy or force is a many fold aspect of all energy and force and can be used in ways other than for making new babies or for recreation.   We do not all approach mastery of that energy at the same time.  

When you sleep at night this same force is reproducing your own body using cells and fuel from food using the matrix that already is in your mind and also new information that you have added.  

Just as a preoccupation with sex can keep a person from functioning on other levels, severe and unwarranted abstention can lead to an unhealthy body and mind.   And, there are times when an individual can/might be guided to abstain in order to accomplish specific tasks, which would not be otherwise achievable.  

If some one notices a particularly strong loss of energy or of focus due to sexual activity, it would be expected that they might have concerns about that activity and abstain from it  in order to experiment.  The original post discussed ejaculation, which is almost synonymous with orgasm.  Ejaculation does not mean an act of  sexual reproduction with another person, necessarily.

The moral aspects really come from our historical/social ideas of what is good for the whole of a society, no matter what or when that society existed.

[James S]

"This has nothing to do with religion but with the subtle forces at work at mental and subconscious and physical levels that have very beneficial results."

Yes, but the forces at work at the mental and subconscious levels are so often social / religious in nature. Indoctrinated preconceptions set intent on a subconscious level. Intent can be beneficial and it can also be a hinderance.

As for religions influence, it really started with the early tribes.  In order for a tribe to succeed there had to be rules about who could mate with who.  They had to be able to discern which children belonged to whom and what they would inherit.

That's what anthropologists would have you believe, and I think you'll find that most "respected" published anthropologists are males that tend not to rock the current socio-religious boat.
This was most definitly not the case with most ancient celtic tribes where the female was free to chose a new partner if she desired.

Inner or spiritual growth is not limited to or by religions.

Not limited by religions?   You're kidding me right?
Just think about that statement for a bit.

The reproductive energy or force is a many fold aspect of all energy and force and can be used in ways other than for making new babies or for recreation.   We do not all approach mastery of that energy at the same time.  

Who said sex has to just be about reproduction?
Effective practical contraceptive measures have been around since ancient times, allowing people to be able to enjoy sexuality at that same time as allowing conception to be a choice.

When you sleep at night this same force is reproducing your own body using cells and fuel from food using the matrix that already is in your mind and also new information that you have added.  

This happens 24/7 not just when you're sleeping.

Just as a preoccupation with sex can keep a person from functioning on other levels, severe and unwarranted abstention can lead to an unhealthy body and mind.   And, there are times when an individual can/might be guided to abstain in order to accomplish specific tasks, which would not be otherwise achievable.  

Yes, I agree with you here.
I think you'll find though that most cases of both unhealthy preoccupations with sex, and unhealthy abstinence are directly attributable to religious beliefs.

If some one notices a particularly strong loss of energy or of focus due to sexual activity, it would be expected that they might have concerns about that activity and abstain from it  in order to experiment.  The original post discussed ejaculation, which is almost synonymous with orgasm.  Ejaculation does not mean an act of  sexual reproduction with another person, necessarily.

This I believe comes down to intent.
Do you have a preconception that sexual activity will lead to energy loss, or do you apply intent to get a great deal of energy exchange out of it? And you're talking about masturbation aren't you?  Please, no need to be embarrased.    It's no more a dirty word or concept than sex, and it is also a perfectly normal and natural human function, for both males and females that has been suppressed or at least frowned upon by our societies misguided moralities.
Remember also that this topic can be just as valid for females as it can for males

The moral aspects really come from our historical/social ideas of what is good for the whole of a society, no matter what or when that society existed.

I'd need someone like Galdalf, with historical education to confirm this, but I believe the moral aspects you are talking about here are most definitely inflienced by our societies dominant religions.

Oh, and please don't take any of my arguments or possible criticisms personally. I'm not in the habit of picking apart posts paragraph by paragraph, but I'm having fun playing devil's advocate here.   Plus I do very much believe the whole thing with sex has been totally blown out of proportion because of religious influences.

Ybom:

Today society deems sex as a bad thing because it's riddled with "diseases" if you do it enough. How do we get around this touchy subject? I have no clue.

I feel this too is the result of fear based indoctrination.
Silly thing here is professional sex workers, esp. those who are government licensed, are the safest people of all in this regards. A close friend of mine is an occupational health and safety officer (currently working in the police force), and has delt with the sex industry. Their health and safety codes and policies are as good as most hospitals, and most of it is just good common sense personal hygene.

Happy energy raising all. And remember, there's nothing like a good orgasm to clear those blocked chakras.

James.

[Humbled]

Wow, way more results then I expected.  Thanks to all that replied.

Here's the thing.  Sexual thought makes me secrete "fluids".  The loss of fluids is synonymous with my ability to see auras diminishing.  For instance, I'll be able to see an aura an inch wide eminating off of the top of a bottle cap and then afterwards, only half an inch.  Every night I go to sleep it recharges a small amount, building and building every day/night I refrain.

Are you suggesting this is some kind of unhealthy blockage?

Am I not supposed to have this energy/ability?

What basis do you have to back up the statement that sexual abstenation is unhealthy?

I'm not attacking anyone.  I'm just desperately curious to figure this out as I'm still quite young.

On the one hand I feel that I'm looking at the biggest decision in my life.  I can harness this energy all my life and have more than just about anyone by the time I'm 70 years old.  Or I can say screw it and just accept a metiocre amount for the rest of my life while having as much sex as I want.

It is my own belief that life is short, and that harnessing this energy before I die is more important then sexual activity in the long run.

You may discount the validity of the scriptures I read.  But I've read this in several different books, including "There are No Secrets," a book on Cheng Man Ching (A Tai Chi Chuan Master).  It describes it as "Qing" energy, and even goes as far as to describe in detail about how long it takes to recharge, which I have validated.  I went on to confirm similar details in these scriptures, so I defenitely feel there is at least partial validity there.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.  lol.  Somebody help!

[Humbled]

I would also like to emphasize this has nothing to do with organized religion for me, but personal experience.  I don't care about issues of society deeming sex bad or good.  I am not having this issue because of society or religion.  What is happening is just happening and I want to know why and how it works.  Thanks ahead of time.

[James S]

Ok, some very good points, and very good questions Humbled.

Please bear with me while I pick apart a couple of points - but with good reason.

I would also like to emphasize this has nothing to do with organized religion for me, but personal experience.

You may discount the validity of the scriptures I read. But I've read this in several different books, including "There are No Secrets," a book on Cheng Man Ching (A Tai Chi Chuan Master). It describes it as "Qing" energy, and even goes as far as to describe in detail about how long it takes to recharge, which I have validated.

Here's where I see part of the problem.
You are validating your beliefs through spiritual texts that provide a form of confirmation for you. Where you to believe the opposite, I'm sure you'd be able to find some writings by authors with as much credential validating that opposing viewpoint.

Let me put some ideas to you that can hopefully help you see another side to this...

Your ability to see auras is like my ability to see spirits. They're two different facets of spirit vision - the ability to percieve energies that are outside of the normal visible spectrum.

A month ago I was convinced that I could not see spirits in daylight with my glasses on, yet I didn't seem to have any problem when I wasn't wearing my glasses. It was my all too logical (and highly psychic) wife that asked me what possible difference could it make?
The difference was purely mental - it was a preconception.
I'd just convinced myself that wearing glasses affected my ability to see spirits. In reality it had nothing to do with it.

What we believe is what becomes real!

I'm sure you can see how this concept might apply to your situation humbled.

Now another doosey of a concept to grab hold of...
Your ability to see auras, like my ability to see spirits has absolutely nothing to do with your body's energy levels!

I struggled with this one for a while too, until a guiding spirit told me quite plainly that my spirit perception was something that my body/brain had learned to do, and my energy levels made no difference whatsoever. This I have found to be true. I can see spirits while I'm meditating, all filled with energy, and I can still see spirits when I'm in bed with a cold feeling really crappy.

On the one hand I feel that I'm looking at the biggest decision in my life. I can harness this energy all my life and have more than just about anyone by the time I'm 70 years old. Or I can say screw it and just accept a metiocre amount for the rest of my life while having as much sex as I want.

Believe me when I say that its not nearly this serious.
You already have a gift! Enjoying what life has to bring you, including sex, is not going to diminish your potential. It's more likely going to enhance it.
But first you need to take the one important step of setting your intent that an active and healthy sex life is going to enhance your ability. It's simple affirmations, and affirmations are very powerful!

What basis do you have to back up the statement that sexual abstenation is unhealthy?

Personal experience - five years of having sex unavailable to me, and discovering during that time that masturbation does not actually create any energy deficiencies whatsoever.
I've also had my experiences confirmed by Reki masters that I've studied with, one of which is also a nurse and a councellor.

For maximum "energy efficiency" to occur, balance is needed between the four main bodies - physical, mental, emotional & spiritual. To neglect any one of these will hinder efforts to evolve spiritually and energetically.

Sexual abstinance effects the physical body and emotional body. How long it takes to do so varies greatly from person to person, depending on whether they have naturally high or low libidos. People with a naturally low libido can go for years without desiring sexual fulfillment.

When you do start getting sexual desires, consider that this is one of the body's normal alert messages - it's telling you that a natural part of your body's cycle is currently active. Supressing any of the body's normal cycles is bad. It throws you out of balance. Why do you think there are so many stories of catholic priests becoming sex offenders? They try to supress a normal part of their body's functions to the point where something breaks. Usually their sanity!

IN a nutshell,
If you are able to see auras, then this is a wonderful gift that you are meant to have.
If you feel sexual desires, then this is also a wonderful gift that you are meant to have. The two are most definitely not mutually exclusive.

Your own beliefs, your intent, and your perceptions will set your reality. Allow yourself to believe that sex and energy work can coincide harmoniously and beneficially, and thats exactly what will happen.

Yes, life is short. Which means we should enjoy it as much as we can. Positive thoughts and actions are a very powerful natural energy booster. Grab hold of this energy and have fun with it!

Many blessings,
James.

[Humbled]

I really do appreciate your post.  Defenitely some interesting insight there.  However I'd like to point a few things out.

The confirmation of said incidents in spiritual texts and regular books on Kung Fu happened 3 - 4 months after this all began.  These books are not the cause of my belief.  This whole thing began out of the blue after starting the NEW system.  I did not predict this, nor did I ever expect it to happen.  I entirely agree with you in that I could find plenty of authors with an opposing viewpoint.  In fact, I have.  However, they do not describe in detail what is happening to me like the other ones I've found.
Nor do I really care about these texts.  Let's just throw them out.

What if I'm not seeing auras?  I don't know what auras really are anyway.  All I know is that I see "Stuff" I would describe as clear creamy hazy fog eminating off of everything.  It is sometimes different colors, but mostly clearish.

If my ability isn't synonymous with my energy levels, then why can I feel energy pumping through my body more heavily as my ability increases?  And why does my ability weaken as my energy wanes?

I can say for sure it is not my beliefs that are causing all of this.  I had to discover the general rules of how it works on my own through experimentation.  It is as concrete to me as "if I exercise, my muscles grow."  I don't think you would go around telling people that eating healthy only leads to good health based on their belief that it does.  There is some basis to these things.

I'm trying to tell you that I have no ability as of now to make sex benefit me.  I have tried everything I can think of.  When I have sex, it returns the sensations of bugs crawling under my skin to my body, making me more or less miserable and in a constant state of being annoyed.  It's like having a swarm of mosquitoes crawling under my skin if I have a ton of sex.  

I agree with you about mental, phsyical, and spiritual harmony, but I don't see how restraining desires effects those.  I have a desire to do drugs, does that make it unhealthy to obstain from them?  I have a desire to eat junk food, does that mean it's unhealthy to not do that too?  I don't see the connection.  If anything, restraining desire makes us stronger doesn't it?

I really appreciate your input and I think I'm understanding things from your point of view, but I don't see how I can change this.  This isn't a "perspective on reality" thing.  Trust me.

Garrr, I'm so confused about this.  I wish I could find somebody that has had similar experiences.

[gdo]

I will stand by what I have stated and there is scientific evidence for parts of it.  

The functions of production and reproduction and creation and mental imagery are aspects of 1 thing.   For some people, a restriction of some aspects of this 1 thing facilitates the encouragement of a heightening of the ability to 'sense' some things.   This power exists were there no religions at all.
Some times a brief period of sexual abstinence has a payoff in a much larger proportion that the pleasure given up.  It has nothing to do with 'morals'.  

If a person is at a point where they can recognize that FOR THEM at that time, they can perceive a direct consequence of conserving this power, then maybe they should explore that option.  

No one has to 'believe' in it for it to be a real situation for some people, it is a matter of personal development.

[James S]

Hehehe....

Oh dear,
Scientific evidence?  Functions of production and reproduction and creation?  Payoff in a much larger proportion that the pleasure given?  Perceive a direct consequence of conserving this power?

You're not geting any are you!

I love it when people try to theorise, philosophise, and in many cases overanalyze situations that only ever need simply to be experienced in order to be understood. It brings such wonderfully diverse perspectives.

True it is that no one has to 'believe' in it for it to be a real situation, but also true is the fact that what they believe in becomes their reality.

But don't mind me. I'm just an over-sexed, off with the nature spirits psychic medium.


Blessings,
James.

[gdo]

Humbled,

I respect your question and the situation you have talked about.  If you read alot from forums like these you will find that people have different experiences and that they do not always agree even when they have the same types of experiences, let alone when they do not.

Your experiences will always have a degree of 'difference' from any one Else's, for no 2 of us are exactly alike at any given time.  But there times when each of us goes through certain experiences are similar enough to make sense only to people who are having the same type of experience or who have already gone though it.  

A good example is the experience of being a Parent.  Many people can talk about it and write about it, but when a person actually BECOMES a parent then they have faced and initiation of sorts and only another parent can understand the NEW consciousness that parenting imbues.  There are many other types of experience that create a type of consciousness that only a participant can relate to.

If you are conscious of a loss of energy related to sexual activity it is up to you to decide what is important to you.  My question to you would be, are you capable of handling the results of conserving  your energies?  Will you be able to maintain a balanced progression of the physical and psychic and psychological energies that you conserve?  TO WHAT PURPOSE are you conserving these energies in your personal field?

In general, one shoe does not fit all feet.  What one man accepts another may despise.  A baby does not eat the same food a grown person eats.  
One persons experience is not always comprehended by others.  
You must find a way to use what ever experiences you have to promote your health and growth on all levels.

[James S]

If you are conscious of a loss of energy related to sexual activity it is up to you to decide what is important to you.  My question to you would be, are you capable of handling the results of conserving  your energies?  Will you be able to maintain a balanced progression of the physical and psychic and psychological energies that you conserve?  TO WHAT PURPOSE are you conserving these energies in your personal field?

Now THOSE are excellent questions!! Very pertinent.
Good post gdo!

Now we perhaps look past the technicalities & differences of opinions and go to the core of the matter. The last question is something that crossed my mind as well.

Blessings,
James.

[Chimerae]

Hope it's okay if I jump in on this.  Just a different point of view.  My comments will be packed with ignorance, because I just say what I see without a lot of training.  Ignore what doesn't fit.  

When gifted people open up their minds and energy -- like with NEW or any other technique -- the flow affects each person a little differently.  

Many techniqes have a solid enough structure that they entrain the novice so that the nuances go unnoticed, and the "typical" response has few "blips" outside the ones the tradition predicts maps.  

Energy is energy, though and we are all unique.  It's been my experience that often really talented people choose a teaching that is not fully compatible with their setup (like hateful people sometimes choose Christianity, mindless people sometimes choose Buddhism . . . )  

This causes the Flow to run up against obstacles that cannot be ignored.  

Sometiemes it's private and personal, and it's needful to work through the block.

Sometimes, though, with naturally generous and fearless individuals, they take on the dilmenas that accrue in the group or cultural consciousness.

With you, it's really interesting the "sea and shore" nature of the sexual/energetic exeprience -- the way the energy builds up but then depletes.  This might be all about you, but it also might be that you are living out an energy paradox.  The quality of the discussion here would tend to suggest that might be the case.

My suggestion would be that you live the question and not slip into some dualistic either/or, good/bad solutions.   It's a more annoying way to live in regards to something that matters, but my guess is that if you go down one fork of the path you will find your destination inadequate and need to double back.

Why not take the question itself into the etheric.  Ask the energy.  Ask the experience.  It wouldn't help most people, but I think you will get an answer -- not in words but in what life serves up for your solution.

When the student is ready the teacher appears.

[naam]

Just saying from personal experience, there is a tremondous energy loss during sex that I experience. This might contradict with James and to what he's trying to explain.

There is power in the semen, its the lifeforce that creates a child, its part of you. Everytime there is sex, that vital force of you goes out. SAP!! gone..

[Sin Buddhata]

Wow, way more results then I expected.  Thanks to all that replied.

Here's the thing.  Sexual thought makes me secrete "fluids".  The loss of fluids is synonymous with my ability to see auras diminishing.  For instance, I'll be able to see an aura an inch wide eminating off of the top of a bottle cap and then afterwards, only half an inch.  Every night I go to sleep it recharges a small amount, building and building every day/night I refrain.

Are you suggesting this is some kind of unhealthy blockage?

Am I not supposed to have this energy/ability?

What basis do you have to back up the statement that sexual abstenation is unhealthy?

I'm not attacking anyone.  I'm just desperately curious to figure this out as I'm still quite young.

On the one hand I feel that I'm looking at the biggest decision in my life.  I can harness this energy all my life and have more than just about anyone by the time I'm 70 years old.  Or I can say screw it and just accept a metiocre amount for the rest of my life while having as much sex as I want.

It is my own belief that life is short, and that harnessing this energy before I die is more important then sexual activity in the long run.

You may discount the validity of the scriptures I read.  But I've read this in several different books, including "There are No Secrets," a book on Cheng Man Ching (A Tai Chi Chuan Master).  It describes it as "Qing" energy, and even goes as far as to describe in detail about how long it takes to recharge, which I have validated.  I went on to confirm similar details in these scriptures, so I defenitely feel there is at least partial validity there.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.  lol.  Somebody help!

Have you ever thought to focus inward and spot the lustful thoughts as they enter the mind? How about any undesirable thought, emotion, or physical impulse?

How long have you been abstinent?

I am running my own experiment, but it has been only 14 days. Usually, after at most 4-5 days my thoughts are completely sexually influenced. And after a week or so I get turned on by merely hearing a female voice over the phone and I'll have a wet dream at about a week and a half. I never have wet dreams otherwise. The first one I ever had was a couple of days after basic training was over (I think they put something in the drinks to suppress sexual urges because I never had an erection the whole 6 weeks.)

Now that I am observing my own thoughts, feelings, sensations, and reactions I see them when they come and stop them. I can actual feel the "entity" entering through my sexual center (fuzzy pulsating feeling between the genitals and anus) to generate a reaction before it physically has a chance to cause a reaction. Not only have I not had an erection or wet dream in these past 14 days, but I feel as though I can keep this up indefinitely as long as I continue to be aware and conscious of thoughts, emotions, sexual energies, and my own motor functions. Looking back I see that we tend to give in to these entities, these egos, and let them use our though to trick ourselves into thinking these feelings and thoughts come from our Being. I've found that the mind is just a tool to translate the intuitive into concepts and words and is not an actual part of our Being. That being said any think can take advantage of it and the entity of lust is one such, which I believe is are entities associate with nature for the survival of beasts. But there is no reason for a being of intellect to need these "entities" to survive.

If all you are doing is suppressing freely manifesting lust, then you're gonna end up with a black eye.

I have another questions,

When you say you lose energy after having sex, do you really mean you lose energy when you secrete semen?

Energies can flow between a male and a female without an orgasm as a finale. There are these full body orgasms I hear about. Alchemy, white tantra, etc.

[GOTHIKA]

Well from a psychic vampire's point of view I can speak for myself.
I personally abstain from all forms of sexual physical contact with others because it dulls my senses and does something to distort my energy body somehow.
But that's just me, some people practice Tantric Sex which brings their energy to a great high and is said to most intense in nature.
Having intimate sexual contact with myself doesn't bother me that much at all after I return to a relaxed state.
I prefer to have Psychic Sex with others which is more of a personal, intimate exchange of energy between where both sexual energy is shared as well as the core being of both persons involved.