On the subject of different energies and newbies

[Tarconiss]

* applauds * Yay!!! Another person to add to the list of people who realise and enforce that concept. Welcome to insanity! []

I too can't stress enough of how energy is energy, nomatter what the label... when it comes to different ways to use energy, 'THERE' is more the place to label things.... label the techniques of useing the energy, rather than the energy itself..... All energy fits into categories of strengths, weaknesses, function, and purpose... There are other aspects to name aswell but getting into detail isnt a good thing when your over tired... heh heh heh....

I choose to develop the strength and function of the energies I use at the moment. And when i come across a specified need to work with a certain level with energy because of the technique used and weakness it posseses, I spend a little bit of time adjusting before i continue to work on the specific task.

With the basis of working on energy to make it better/greater, just adjust when you need to, and continue to overall do what you are doing.

[kakkarot]

as i am prone to doing, i must disagree with you fat_turkey. there are differences between the energy types. though there is so much misperception and misinformation out there that people don't KNOW what energy they are using and don't know how it is different from another.

all energies have certain underlying principles that govern their use, and no energy type will differentiate from this. but each energy type also has its own properties and limits.

i used to think that there were differnt energies, then i started thinking that all energies were the same thing, then i started to REALIZE through my training and experimenting with different energies and different methods that there are different energies, but that it is very difficult to clearly define/decide where one ends and another begins.

for the purposes of newbies, it may be good to think that all energies are the same thing, especially with the way that they are "taught" over the internet, where the methods are the EXACT same as one another but the names given to the energy that is supposedly being used is different. this is the result of much misunderstanding and much jumping to conclusions before complete testing and experimenting is performed (ie, people stick their foots in their mouth even if they don't realize it). but once you begin specializing in an energy then you NEED to know the properties and abilities that are specific to it.

and just so you know, I have chosen to be a general specialist. i specialize in as many different things as i can. my abilities to adapt and understand have allowed me to learn much that others don't always learn (though i don't always learn these thing before i stick my foot in my mouth a few times).

"start to start down the REAL spiritual path". energy developed for the purpose of combat and energy developed for the purpose of enlightenment is still energy developed. who is to say, though, what is the "real" spiritual path?

~kakkarot

[panabelle]

Arrrrgggg...

Fat Turkey: This must be the bazillionith time you've posted something like this for newbies about their expectations. I'm sure you feel very strongly about it, and I respect that, but it's not doing anyone any good anymore. Any newbies who are serious about it will find one of your many posts and those who are not, well, who really cares about them anyway?

Interesting stuff about the single/multiple energies though. While I can read everyone else's stuff, I myself have yet to experience enough of this to give my own opinion.

[James S]

Intersting, It's the first time I've seen these comments posted. Maybe I'm just not paying that much attention.

Fat_Turkey, I agree!!!
Kakkarot, I sort of agree, but perhaps with the distinction, IMO, that the energies are indeed the same, but become different in thier properties as they become transformed or transmuted, for example, by the chakras.
It's like electromagnetic energy IS all the same kind of energy. Its properties, and therefore its uses, vary as it changes frequency. But what Fat_Turkey is saying is essentially true.

Call it what you will - chi, ki, prana, or life-force, it is the very essence of our spirit, our energy body, and it reacts or interacts with everything in the known universe. Its difference in name depends entirely on the difference in cultures that have sought understanding of it.

Robert Bruce has said that the development of psychic powers and other such abilities should only ever be seen as a side effect of energy work, and not the goal.

I am in agreement with this because I specifically set out to use energy development to further my spiritual development. The abilities that I have ARE side effects, though I now learn to use them as tools to aid my spiritual walk.

I recognise though that there are those who'se goals are to learn how to make ki balls and throw energy bolts around. To me that is somewhat at odds with the what the masters have tried to teach us about our life-force energy, and not exactly what one would describe as "enlightened". It would be my wish that such people will gain spiritual growth as a side effect to learning how to make ki balls.

This however is just my opinion based on my views and experiences.

James.

[kakkarot]

"Robert Bruce has said that the development of psychic powers and other such abilities should only ever be seen as a side effect of energy work, and not the goal." as a person seeking truth in this world i agree with this, but as a martial artist i also realize that sometimes being grounded in the idea of "a means to an end" is also just as beneficial to one's life and one's walk.

for though we are spiritual beings, we also live in a physical world (for now at least). so both are true, but most people can't get them to work together (even i at times have a semi-difficult time doing so), but that doesn't mean that the two philosophies can't co-exist.

and as for the energy thing, it's too not-understood for any of us to really be making any decisive proclamations about it. all we can really do is learn and learn some more. "The more you learn, the more you can learn." -Me

~kakkarot

[Fat_Turkey]

Stupid topic. Nevermind. Deleting....

[Fat_Turkey]

Please if you are new to the concept of energy and especially come here looking for advice with Ki, read this now.

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There is utterly NO difference between energies. The only difference is names. Those names are labels. Ki, Chi, Psi, Mana, all labels. They all simply talk about energy. The practices that label these in a particular way maybe use energy in a different way or purpose, but it's still the same. I can't stress it enough.

Yes, there are different energies. However, you cannot simply point and say, that is Psi, that is Ki, etc. Energy is only subtly different depending on its source and what it is made to do. The chakras condition and change energy for different purposes, but it is still essentially energy.

The sooner you realise this, the better.

I also stress that those of you practicing Ki study some Eastern energy theory. That will give you an understanding of what it's REALLY about. This isn't about techniques and powers. This takes years. It is about spiritual balance and development. This may not sound like fun anymore once you know this, but my life has sure as Hell improved with this revelation. Also I highly stress that you guys go and buy Astral Dynamics.

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That being said, I hope more of you young 'uns will stop going to those whacky McDojo websites on TRIPOD (good God are you nuts?!?) and start to start down the REAL spiritual path. That way your accomplishments are more real and your life will change for the better. Telekinesis still exists though!! Don't worry there are still special abilities you can muster...it just takes time []