Raising the Kundalini and 'intimate relationship'

[Ta_alos]

Good morning,
       I have been taking some classes through another orginization... "mystic web" If any of you have heard of it...  They take the developement side of this work from a spritual perspective.  They claim the only way for evolution to take place is to practice 3 keys...
Death to Ego's, Praticing alchemy, and sacrifice(helping others).
Death to ego's.. it could be sorta of related to how robert speaks of dealing with neg's... Alchemy is more or less the practice of sex with out orgasm(there theroy is that an orgasm is such an intense physical manifestation.. it drains our sexual/spritual energy during the orgasm... and sacrifice.. is just helping others giving up things for a  greater cause.. etc...

During energy work.. it is said that it strengthens our energy path ways... it helps us heals us and connects us with the world around us.  My question would be... Has any found there own correlations to either the male or female orgasm impeeding there energy work???

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Orgasm is not the problem, but what you do with it. If during orgasm you expel your energy then it will be draining. If you instead cultivate your energy, drawing it up and storing it (much like using NEW) then you will feel much more energized. The Multi-Orgasmic Man is a good reference on the Taoist practice on this. My question is, what is their definition of orgasm? It sounds like a simple thing, but once you start exploring it, orgasm can be many different things.

[Leo Volont]

I wouldn't believe anything a Taoist would tell me about sex.

Have you guys ever been in the Far East?  Suddenly everything is about sex.  They are obsessed with their genitalia.

It would be wonderful if they were right.  But look at their track record on things spiritual.  They've turned their Temples into Fist Fighting Schools.  And then their idea of meditation is to play with themselves all the time.

It seems like somewhere along the line they decided that it is just better to 'let boys be boys'.

If anything accounts for any of their successes, it is that they allowed themselves to eat more healthy then the other Ascetic Traditions.  You can do alot if you are healthy.  The more severe the diets of the more rigourous Traditions, perhaps engendered more elaborate "Spiritual Visions", but I suspect this is because vitimin B deficiencies were causing psychotic states.  In these half starved communities, the monks learned that becoming celibate was a way of saving energy, not just for Spiritual Advancement, but so they would not entirely succumb to starvation. Whoever funded the Monasteries and Ashrams figured they could cut corners in the kitchen -- years, even generations,  of experience in Monastery Management taught these traditions exactly the bare minimums required for survival.  

At least the Taoist and the Tantracists believed in three square meals a day.

But what did they do with all their health and strength?  They turned their Temples into Fight Clubs and spent all their meditation time playing with themselves.  Maybe the starvation system wasn't so far off base afterall.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

That is a rather harsh, stereotyped, and generalized criticism. No I have not been to the Far East so I really cannot say from experience on their culture. While I could point out certain bad things that have come to light as of late with those religious leaders who were suppose to be celibate I do not wish to get into such a discussion.

What I do know is that from experience, the things I have learned from Taoist sexual practices have made me feel much more balanced with my sexual energies, sexuality, and spirituality. It is not about having sex all the time or playing with one's self all day. It is about transformation, not only in the energies but how one views sex.

You can believe as you wish. I am not saying my views are the only correct views or that they are for everyone, but if someone asks me I will tell them what I have learned and my experiences.

[Leo Volont]

That is a rather harsh, stereotyped, and generalized criticism. No I have not been to the Far East so I really cannot say from experience on their culture. While I could point out certain bad things that have come to light as of late with those religious leaders who were suppose to be celibate I do not wish to get into such a discussion.

What I do know is that from experience, the things I have learned from Taoist sexual practices have made me feel much more balanced with my sexual energies, sexuality, and spirituality. It is not about having sex all the time or playing with one's self all day. It is about transformation, not only in the energies but how one views sex.

You can believe as you wish. I am not saying my views are the only correct views or that they are for everyone, but if someone asks me I will tell them what I have learned and my experiences.

Well, I too used to look seriously into a lot of the Tantric and Taoist teachings about sexuality.  But when I began to visit the Far East I found that EVERYTHING over there is about Sex.  They are obsessed.  So it put their Teachings in a whole new light for me.  It was just another manifestation of their fixation on Sex.  

But I guess if you are obsessed with sex, you can't do better than to get into Tantra and Taoist Yogas, since they will be right up that alley.

But if you are well adjusted and not fixated below your belt, then there is no real reason to put much store in all that.  Ordinary Yoga is probably better for people who are capable of rising up to it.

[Ta_alos]

From the awarness and experience that I have gained it would be suggested that alot has to do with 'what u do' with the energy that u cultivate.  Also the nature of the energy that u cultivate... IE.. the nature from 'transmuting' lustful energy on lower energy levels would be different than transmuting the energy from a loving stable relationship in which you know your partner... As well... the nature of orgasm in itself may need to be investigated.  As in.. how or what energy is use to actually generate the orgasm itself... If u truely think of it.. an orgasm is essentually a 'spasm' as a result of 'to much' stimulation... Could it be that if u bring yourself to an orgasm that u essentually loose alot of the energy you have generated simply buy having it escape through a release valve???

[WalkerInTheWoods]

To be fair though, most people seem to be over concerned with sex. Look at the culture in the USA. Americans are obsessed with sex too, though many people here are still dealing with the conflict between it and the Puritan mentality. The Far East did not have Puritanism to influence their culture. There is nothing wrong with sex, but sex like anything else should be in moderation. Anything in excess one way or the other is not healthy.

Now for myself I take what I feel is best for me from ideas, cultures, religions, etc. I am not a Taoist zealot, but I do take ideas I feel are right for me and blend them with my ideas. Taking what I have read about Taoist sexual practices of cultivating and balancing sexual energy it has improved my life. But I have noticed that storing this energy requires responsibility. You will have excess energy and if you focus is sex then that is where the energy will flow. So without one striving for balance the practice can be of little improvement for you. Ideally one would take the energy and move it throughout their lives and strive for balance. That is what I have gathered from my learning experience from Tao.

I am not going to judge another culture, especially without having experienced it first hand. I don't know how "Taoist" such areas are, as their are several philosophies in the Far East. But if they are anything like here, then you have a wide range of degree of followers. Such as here in the US, it is estimated about 80% of the population claim to be Christians, but there is a wide degree of how people actually follow the teachings of this religion, from people who just claim the title to those who follow the Christian Bible word for word. I suspect, though I don't know, that it is similar in the East with their philosophies/religions.

[Ta_alos]

No doubt many places in the world mis-use sexual energy... I guess I am merely refering to the kinematics act of sex and the human orgasm with respect to the energy work...

[Mystic Cloud]

That is a rather harsh, stereotyped, and generalized criticism. No I have not been to the Far East so I really cannot say from experience on their culture. While I could point out certain bad things that have come to light as of late with those religious leaders who were suppose to be celibate I do not wish to get into such a discussion.

What I do know is that from experience, the things I have learned from Taoist sexual practices have made me feel much more balanced with my sexual energies, sexuality, and spirituality. It is not about having sex all the time or playing with one's self all day. It is about transformation, not only in the energies but how one views sex.

You can believe as you wish. I am not saying my views are the only correct views or that they are for everyone, but if someone asks me I will tell them what I have learned and my experiences.

Well, I too used to look seriously into a lot of the Tantric and Taoist teachings about sexuality.  But when I began to visit the Far East I found that EVERYTHING over there is about Sex.  They are obsessed.  So it put their Teachings in a whole new light for me.  It was just another manifestation of their fixation on Sex.  

But I guess if you are obsessed with sex, you can't do better than to get into Tantra and Taoist Yogas, since they will be right up that alley.

But if you are well adjusted and not fixated below your belt, then there is no real reason to put much store in all that.  Ordinary Yoga is probably better for people who are capable of rising up to it.

We humans are created with sexuality. It is in our nature and it gets even
odder to deprive our own nature by force. When you say that the far EAST
was all about sex I must say I disagree. If you open your eyes and start listening to people right in your own culture you will probably notice that
most seem to be 'addicted' to sex. Many more has developed somekind
of perversions. Look at all the commercials and the way they are done.
Most of them blink with a big red text 'SEX!'

Tantric and Taoist texts do stress out the importance of non-ejaculation
and if you ejaculate there are systems to keep your sexual energy inside yourself instead of letting it out.