Some stuff bout NEW

[father_satans_follower]

I havnt tried NEW yet I just read the main intro here:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=18
New never explains what exactly this "energy" is

The majority of students move energy well and experience noticeable energy movement sensations during their first practice session. Energy movements are felt with a variety of predictable sensations, including warmth, tingling, heaviness, tightness, bone deep tickling and buzzing.

See Robert never explained what energy is.
Take a look at the excercise:

The NEW Energy Ways system can be demonstrated with the following practice:

Rest your left hand on your desk or lap with palm up.  With the fingertips of your right hand stroke the whole underside of your left hand from wrist to fingertips repeatedly. While doing this, memorize the feel of the touch this movement produces in your left hand.  Continue stroking for half-a-minute, until you can reproduce the feel and movement of this action in your left hand from the touch memory, with your mind alone.

When you can do this, stop physically stroking and continue moving this feel through the whole of your left hand.  Continue this and you will begin to feel some peculiar sensations, like pressure, heaviness, tingling, buzzing, or tickling.  These indicate successful energy body stimulation in your left hand.

Repeat the above exercise with your right hand, then with each foot, then with other parts of your body. Remember, the key ingredient to making this work is to move your sense of 'touch' and 'feel' through your body.

I dont see any energy or something like that here. Its just that your mind is producing sensations the mind is too powerful and can make alot of things happen. Every heard of the Placebo effect? I suggest do some research on it. If you really believe that you are feeling energy, etc you will "Feel" something. Your mind makes it happen. Its all in the head
Also one thing I would like to mention about Chakras. Who said they are energy vortexes? Thats just new age crap the Chakras in the original eastern teachings were never actually "vortexes of energy". It was Blavatsky who twisted the true chakras into energy vortexes so westerners could understand better. Do some research on Blavatsky's new age spiritual movement or something

~father_satans_follower~[/b]

[star]

I'm sure you will get better answers than what I can deliver but here are a few of my thoughts on this to help you out.

I don't see any energy or something like that here. Its just that your mind is producing sensations the mind is too powerful and can make alot of things happen. Every heard of the Placebo effect? I suggest do some research on it. If you really believe that you are feeling energy, etc you will "Feel" something. Your mind makes it happen. Its all in the head

Well, there are many tests were a subject is NOT told what is going to happen to him and is just placed in a room alone, or has no idea the experiment is even going on!

and yet they still feel the effects, now explain to me how this is the placebo affect? Can you? please?

nextly

Also one thing I would like to mention about Chakras. Who said they are energy vortexes? That's just new age crap the Chakras in the original eastern teachings were never actually "vortexes of energy". It was Blavatsky who twisted the true chakras into energy vortexes so westerners could understand better. Do some research on Blavatsky's new age spiritual movement or somethin

I Believe (not sure here) that those who have developed auric sight can actually see chakras and they have described them as vortexes of energy.

BTW Dan is not exactly an upstanding citizen maybe you should research somewhere else....

but that's just my opinion


and as I said above u will most likely receive much better answers than what I can give, I'm not even all that great of a writer so....

[father_satans_follower]

Well, there are many tests were a subject is NOT told what is going to happen to him and is just placed in a room alone, or has no idea the experiment is even going on!

and yet they still feel the effects, now explain to me how this is the placebo affect? Can you? please?

Did you know that 99% of Magick/Witchcraft is Placebo effect? Magick is based on one main thing..Belief. A strong mind if you really believe in something it happens. Same way if I really believe that you will break your leg it will happen. You might call this "black magic". Offcourse you do need to have a little strong mind and thought power and concentration, and these things can be developed by Meditation

And yea even Ive heard of people seeing Chakras, such as clairvoyants, etc..If you go to a mental hosptial you might find people who actually SEE things infront of them. People who suffer from phobias might see things they are scared of for example if they are scared of snakes, they might see them. They think about it so much they hallucinate.
Many clairvoyants always wish that "Oh I hope I start seeing things, etc"
Different clairvoyants see chakras like some see it as flowers with petals, some see it as energy vortexes, etc.

~father_satans_follower~[/b]

[Wronski Feint]

You know, if you think we are all just imagining things, then why are you here?  Come to 'wake us up.'  If you dont beleive, fine, dont come in here and start telling everybody else that they are wrong.   Just because it isnt real to you dosnt mean its not real to sombody else.

[thesickmoon]

Did you know that 99% of Magick/Witchcraft is Placebo effect?

Where'd you get that figure?

[father_satans_follower]

You know, if you think we are all just imagining things, then why are you here? Come to 'wake us up.' If you dont beleive, fine, dont come in here and start telling everybody else that they are wrong. Just because it isnt real to you dosnt mean its not real to sombody else.

Im not trying to really wake you guys up, just trying to discuss. Ive noticed some things, and thats all. I wanted opinions of other people, what other people had to say, and even I would learn from them.

And the sickmoon, do some research on Magick and Placebo. You'll understand.

~father_satans_follower~[/b]

[thesickmoon]

And the sickmoon, do some research on Magick and Placebo. You'll understand.

~father_satans_follower~[/b]

It doesn't work that way. You made the claim. All I want to know is how you came up with that figure. Also, I've read about magic and placebo effects, but have never conducted my own research on the subjects.

Again: How'd you arrive at that figure?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Everyone must start some where on the path to Truth. For some that starts with rituals, others dogma, etc. We are all at different points along the path and thus see things from different perspectives. Why are rituals, dogma, etc important? Because while it may not be the actual acts that bring about the results, through such things it helps some focus on results that they want. Whether energy, chakras, etc are real is irrelevant as long as they bring about the desired results.

Which can lead us to the question, What is real?

[andonitxo]

It is possible, dude. But since I started off with NEW system I've gained several psychic capabilities.

Feeling a chakra in its full potential is not a placebo thing, it is a real vortex putting you higher.

But, as with other things, this is a matter of faith. The lack of it closes or balks the process. It's up to you, dear.

[laiana]

Seems to me that this person came here for the sole purpose of picking a fight, rather than asking questions and engaging in genuine discussion.

Father Satan - if YOU did some research and spent a bit of time reading on this forum, you will gain some answers as to why some of us have come to the conclusions that we have.  Then, if you wish to discuss further, try to be a little less close minded in your posts and I'm quite sure people will be more than happy to discuss their views with you.

[Scorpyn]

I dont see any energy or something like that here. Its just that your mind is producing sensations the mind is too powerful and can make alot of things happen. Every heard of the Placebo effect? I suggest do some research on it. If you really believe that you are feeling energy, etc you will "Feel" something. Your mind makes it happen. Its all in the head

I've thought of that, and in the beginning I thought it was "only" placebo aswell. I must say, however, that placebo is probably more real than you may think.

[bloodsong]

Just a few quick points:

One, is it a Placebo Effect?  Perhaps at first, but if you were half as well read on placebo effect as you claim to be, you would know that there are some research studies going on currently as to the possibilities of curing, not just treating, diseases using the placebo effect alone!

Second, where did the 99% figure come from?  Perhaps that was the placebo effect as well.  Then again, to quote Benjamin Franklin, 85% of all statistics are created on the spot!

And as for magick being dependent upon belief and faith (which I consider to be two wholly separate things), DUH!  Then again, everything is.  Don't believe me, do a little research yourself, this time in the area of Quantum Theory.

Bloodsong

[CaCoDeMoN]

Hi!
If you want to have evidence that energy work is real, then ask people like GOTHIKA on this forum and other psi-vamps to drain all of your energy(not less than ten at once to eliminate the possibility of asking a fake psi vamp). Of course if you have enough balls to do it...