Why do you believe in a god/creator

[Ensoñador]

I dont belive in God because I see it! everywhwre! Belive in God is a phrase/word wich contains in itself a God wich can´t be experienced. I dont belive in "him" because he is just right now here (and there). There is no need to believe, there is just need to open our eyes to what we are already seeing. Life is about remembering what our real nature hasnt forgot. Faith is not beliving in something, is acepting facts already have appened and are happening. I think we give to much power to words that separate things from us. Do yo believe in god was the cuestion, a cuestion that in itself separtes "us" and "him".

¿I am saying we are god and GOD is we? YES, and we have to be carefull not to missunderstood this, because we are talking not about an egomaniac attitud.  

                                             Thank's a lot fot the cuestion and the sapce!

[fredhedd]

i believe we are god as well.

[davidg]

quote:Originally posted by Mobius

Yes, good topic Cainam, thanks for starting it & for the reading I've done because of it.

Others like the freemasons are supposed to have beliefs about the Pleidians, the Rosicurian order if I remember right, had something similar. Many other little cults & sects believe in some sort of connection with Pleides, Sirius & Orion,

I'd love to know the references on that one!  []  As you might guess I'm a Mason and while I'm only blue lodge I do a lot of reading about the Craft in general.  I've seen nothing about beliefs in Sirius, Orion, or the Pleides.  The only connection is one Masonic author (Pike) who mentions Sirius, however his work was also rather genius and spotty at the same time. He covered a LOT of material in his "Morals and Dogma" of the Scottish Rite but much of it has very little to do with that branch of Freemasonry itself.

[filipcza]

Someone wanted an intelligent point of view to why I believe/don't believe in god. This idea is from online book, but I modified it a little.

So here goes:

Do you believe that a house can built itself without any help? Even if we provide boards and windows and all that is needed and put it in a pile and waited, would the house built itself? What if we waited for a very long time? Would the house built itself?

If your answer is no, it wouldn't, then why is it so?

Doesn't the house need planning, intelligence to imagine and create the house, before it can be built?

And if so, then which is more difficult to create from scratch, a house or a living being? (and I said from scratch, so there is no DNA to begin with, all that must be created).

So, if you think that life is more difficult to create, then do you think that life came to be by itself, if even as simple thing as a house can't just be there one day?

So, what do you think, which is more likely. That there was/is something that designed life and then created it, or do you think that universe and life itself just popped out of nowhere. Which do you think is more logical?

Ok, that was basically the reasoning in the book. I haven't myself seen or heard God or any other higher spiritual beings, but I have seen my mom's astral body, so I know there is more to this reality than material world. And yes I believe that there is God in some form. And I don't mean that some alien who can levitate is god, no way. God is the ONE who created this universe and our souls. Our bodies may be genetically engineered by aliens, but that doesn't make them gods, because we are not our bodies, we are souls.

I think that we are parts of God, like drops of a ocean, on our way to realise what we really are.

[]
-Pete

[bindi]

What a great topic!
My opinion for what its worth......
I hate the word 'God' to me it implies some old bloke sitting in the clouds ruling down on us with thunder and lightening bolts....
We (the universe) obviously came from somewhere but it I don't believe that there was a 'creator' with a grand plan, if there was, who created the 'creator', etc....
I believe that there are many, many levels of conciousness and many dimesnions that most of us cannot even imagine, but if I cant, see, it , feel it, touch it, smell it, experience it on some level then I don't belive it!
Bindi

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I am going to let my greatest attribute shine by not reading all the replies to this topic. Laziness rocks! []
Anyway, as far as believing any entity as a god or a devil exists, i don't know. I don't believe, but i don't not believe. God could very well exist, as could Satan, but the only idea i have of that is other people's thoughts or words.
I am not about to put so much faith in something as big as the creation of man on the words of other people. Those words are just that, other people's words, and often words that stem not from their own thoughts, but from thoughts that have infected people for thousands of years. Sure, many people may have their own genuine thoughts that God exists, but i don't believe those thoughts can exist unless the person who thinks them is 100 percent certain that they have reached those thoughts through their own means and not just because the belief of a god is almost forced upon them. In the world i (and i'm sure a lot of people here) live in, it is so widely accepted that the Christian god does exist that there is no room for individual thought about things like that.
The only way i will ever believe in anything like that is if i know it for myself. And i don't believe seeing is believing, either.
Having said that, i don't completely block any chance of something being true. If that were so it would be impossible for me to learn anything, and that's what i'm here to do.
For the moment, i simply remain skeptical.

[Mobius]

Hey there Davidg

Thanks for clearing that up for me about the Sirius or the Pleidians. I'm not sure where I read about that connection, but it was something to do with Masons beliefs of origins etc. If I remember where I read it, I'll post you, or if I come across it again. But then again, it might be like you say, a book written about Freemasons, but not BY a freemason.

Does Freemasonry have a common concept/belief around the globe? Or do they all have their own interpretations?

Good journeys

Mobius

[Socrates]

Greetings

I believe the true wisdom lies in the question, and not the answer.

For those who would deny god on the basis of the chicken and egg. I will say two things. Firstly, the egg came first. What layed it? A lizard. Evolution! Tho, I know u used that example only to illustrate that side of a debate

And secondly why must god be born? And if so, then must god die? And why would god even exist in "time". There is scientific evidence to state that perhaps there is no time. We know that there is gravity in the physical plane. But you experiment yourself and see if theres gravity on the astral and "above". I think u'll find its all relative. Based on what you believe.

And the same goes for time. Einsteins theory of relativity. Time can be distorted. Much like gravity. Hence my question is, if its very similar to gravity, and gravity dont exist in the astral why would time exist?

That being said i ask, why then do we experience time in the astral. Is that simply becuase we expect it? And we are so "used" to having time. Then does it really not exist there? And does it really exist here?

And if there is no time, then would "GOD" really have been born? Or just exist?

For dont all things that have a beginning have an end? And all things that are born... die?

Is it not perhaps possible that we can not define "GOD". Atleast based on our understandings?

Socrates

[Spirit_Gurl]

good point... (btw thanks again for you know what)

anyway...


i think evolution is real, but i also think that god made those first chemicals react in such a way as to make life. ut from there, we were on our own.

I dont think god is some huge almighty creature. i believe that things are much simpler than we think. you'll probably hear more about that soon...

i just think god made us cuz he was alone. he's not a GOD he's not superhuman, un imaginable, etc. he's a soul like us, except he happened to creat us.

i dont mean to sound rude, but big deal. just because he made us doesnt mean he wants us to bow down to him with animal sacrifices, and blah blah blah. he's just there, being our friends...

at least, that's what i think.

ill share with you a little of my expirience with souls. they are kinda small. but they... prove to me that some thing is out there.

my cat thoth died about 2 years ago. he was a cowardly cat. he was picked on by our other 6 cats, especially the bully, isis. isis happened to be beautiful, and she knew she was the favorite.
thoth also had a stinky year round alergies. think huge sneezes, lots of mucus, and a lot of people who hate snot.
isis dies. thouth is alone with us, unloved and miserable. mom wants to put him to sleep. i feel guilty, because i liked tormenting him. throwing him down the stairs, etc... i tell mom that maybe if we make him loved he'll be happier. he was such a trusting creature.
the first day. he is apprehensive. i try to brush his fur and he runs away. later i slowly crawl to him, holding my fingers out to him enticingly like food. he stays put. next day he walks over and lets me pet him. next day lets me brush him. he still wont get on my lap though. next day im in the chair. thoth comes over an looks at me. i move over, patting the space next to me. to my complete amazement, he jumps up beside me. then, to my more amazement, he slowly paws my lap. he sits on it.
the next night he actually fell asleep. on my lap. he slept on my freaking lap after only one week of kindness. he fell asleep on the lap of someone who had tormented him before.

what does that tell you?
6 months later he died downstairs. i rush downstairs, probably only a minute after. i cry, my parents and brother watching. my brother petted him during his last few moments...
i cry and cry. all of a suddent, im calm. absolutly calm. no more crying... just peace. I firmly believe that his soul, upon leaving his body, passed through mine or something, to comfort me.
about 8 months later, i was about to sit on the chair. i all of a sudden remembered thoth, how i should sit down slowley so i would not crush him, so he could have time to wake up and crawl over my lap.
thats what i did. i believe his soul had come back as a visit. thats why i remembered him just then. i even petted the thin air, in case souls can still feel touch. when i had to stand up, i pretended to pick him up and let him gently to the ground.

that was my major soul expirience. I know it's off topic, but what do you think? was it his soul that came back?

[Spirit_Gurl]

uh, hellooooo, anybody home?

[cainam_nazier]

Not off topic at all.  The idea of a soul is very much in line with wether we were created or happened.  It is argued very much about animals and souls, and what happens to them.  I personally don't believe in a heaven or hell and all the things associated with them.  I believe a persons or animals soul/spirit remains in a world just past our own, and that they can and do visit us.

[ss_majin_gohan]

To be truthful, I DO believe in God and I am not ashamed. I really just CAN'T believe that we came from tiny one celled organisms, or that this whole world and us was made from an explosion in space! I mean, whoever made up that crap must've been REALLY foolish! LOL! Well, anyways I just also can't see how people could say that we ARE God in some way or another! I just don't get it! Well anyways, I said my piece! I hope you guys have a great time on this topic! [][][]

[cainam_nazier]

ss_majin_gohan,
   
   Actually many evolutionist do not agree with the big bang theory at all.  And mostly because of the more and more evidence that is found they are believing the world to be older than originally thought.


Timeless,

  True, I may not know you, but you have also not yet given me a reason not to trust you.  I liked your post for the simple reason that your believe in god because...and then filled in the blank.  That is the reason I started this thread, not to so much find out wether or not people believe but why.  The why is the important part.  If you can't answer why you believe some thing then what would be the point?  
  Yes I am sceintific but I am not a purist in that respect.  If I must coin a phrase, I would call myself a "Spiritual Sceintist".  I accept the fact that certain things just can not be explained except on a personal level.  But I also feel that one day we will be able to collect hard data on spiritual happenings.  But even now, although personal to each person, there are certain themes that are fairly well maintained from person to person.  And as any researcher will tell you even just one re-occuring item is a place to start.  
   The main reason I don't believe is a simple one.  I have never experienced anything remotely like what some of the people here have explained.  For most it seems like a frying pan hitting them up side the head, and then they know.  I guess I just keep ducking.

[cainam_nazier]

I want to make one thing clear up front.  This has been started for intillectual debate and only partially.  Given the nature of the question asked in could very possibly go bad.  If it does I will ask that it be removed so please try to use the inteligence factor when posting.  Now that said......

  I would very much be interested in knowing why some of you believe in a God or Creator as some prefer.  I have been asked many times what it is that I believe and why?  I have also noticed that there are a greate many believers on these forums and I seem to be one of only a few evolutionists around here.  But I do alot for every one to have thier own opinion and no matter what I think of it I do not view a persons beliefs to be a strike against character or intelligence.  This being because there must be some reason to thier thinking.  Usually the more intelligent a person is the better thier reason and supporting evidence and that is why I feel every one here will be able to handle the question appropriatly.
   I am a person who has never been able to accept the answer "It's just because that is the way it is."  This is how it is for every thing in my life, there is a reason for everything.  Part of my belief system is not to just jump up and buy into every thing that one or even one million people say if they can not give me a reason or evidence.  I need to be convinced.   I believe only what I can prove through logical deduction or have experienced.
   It is because of this reason that I have difficulty believing in a God.  I can not accept it because many people say it is so.  And more so because of the magnitude of I can not accept anything other than cold, hard, facts.  My current frame of mind would probably require God himself to stand in front of me and "Here I am!"  And even then I may question the mental stability of said individual.

   But please I would like to know why you believe.  Was it an experience?  Have you seen him/her?  Was it something you could not explain otherwise?  Were you just born knowing?  Was it taught into you?  Why?  Maybe one of you has some thing that I have over looked and need to add into the equation.  Maybe I have had a similar happening but explained it to myself differently.  I would honestly like to know.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.