A Black Spell

Lasher · July 11, 2003, 03:06:59

quote:
Originally posted by Kiflarer

Be carfull with this one!!!here it goes

Ritual:make a hole in your finger make a lil blood come out put it on the persons forehead you wanna cast the spell on and say the spell:
By Lucifer And Nyx I call The Forbidden Powers To Cast This Spell,
And Cast It Well
Curse This Person Till In Hell
On This (month) Night
The Stars Shine Bright
Let Lucifer And Nyx Come Down And Take This Mortal Soul

BE CAREFULL WHEN YOU CAST IT!!!!! COUSE REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU DO COMES BACK 3 TIMES AS HARD!!!!!

Are you smoking lots of crack these days...?

Lasher

no_leaf_clover · July 11, 2003, 03:27:04

lol lasher

i used to browse a lot of occult sites trying to find accurate information, and stuff like that came up a lot, but i never thought of it as accurate. spells dont need rituals like that but it can help get you into the frame of mind. i don't know why you'd want to use a spell like that, though.. and as far as the '3 times worse' thing, that's also common on a lot of magick sites.. but i would guess it's pure dogma.

Kiflarer · July 11, 2003, 03:48:35

i thought that also at first but when i made someone sick... my father got VERRY sick and when i just wrote down a spell to kill someone i fallen down the stairs and the same day i had an awfull headache and almost got killed in a car accident
nd when i made myself stronger with a spell...i was breaking down everything i saw touched

no_leaf_clover · July 11, 2003, 04:15:00

even if your dad get sick because of what you did, which may have just been coincidence, that subconscious fear of something bad happening in return to you couldve done the trick by itself. dogma.

ssjoku · July 11, 2003, 14:43:47

did you have a bad child hood? Why do you want to do black magic or whatever its call?

Kiflarer · July 12, 2003, 04:06:53

well you know its just couse i almost killed a kid that bullies everyone with a black spell i more do black spells out of revenge

El_Morbidus · July 15, 2003, 07:55:11

The myth about energy coming back to hurt you is due to what some call the "ripple effect". It can be prevented with proper precautions.

pod3 · July 18, 2003, 15:04:52

Even the demons get their permission from God, whose law demands three times recompense for trespasses.

Adrian · July 18, 2003, 15:27:34

Greetings,

The universal laws of cause and effect are immutable.

Every cause will have an equal effect in the same order of magnitude, positive or negative, black or white.

I personally do not believe that karma can be avoided - anyone who performs black magic against another will pay the price, either in this lifetime or a future one.

With best regards,

Adrian.

Stream · July 23, 2003, 10:02:22

Kiflarer,

You seem to have a lot of negativity within you. Why the preoccupation with black magic? Why is it that you so want to hurt other people in this world and why do you think you have the right? And do you honestly believe you have the power to decide whether someone goes to hell?

Whatever your reasons (powertrip, revenge etc) love, forgiveness and trying to see the good in people will serve you far better than harnessing negativity towards others.

Regards,

Stream

Tisha · July 26, 2003, 12:59:26

Dearest Kilflarer,

You appear to be posting a lot of questions about magic, looking for things OUTSIDE OF YOURSELF to fix your life. You're not alone. Many people misunderstand the true nature of magic, and go shopping for notions and potions and lotions and such to change their lives . . . without bothering to fix the real problem - - themselves!

Let me tell you something about so-called "black spells."

Any sorcerer who's worth his/her weight knows that to curse someone, all you have to do is inform your victim that you've done such. Then lie back and have a beer, because your work is done.

Your victim, if he believes in such nonsense, will get all spooled up and anxious and frightened, attribute everything that goes wrong from that point on to the "curse" you supposedly put on him. Preoccupied and nervous, he'll step in front of a moving vehicle or step on a nail or hit his head, and blame you for it.

Then, if he's a true believer, he'll pull out some dusty books of black magic and work on a countercurse toward you. And since you obviously believe in "black magic" (or you'd never ask the question), you yourself will get all anxious and spend copious amounts of time generating wards, protective circles, special amulets, your own countercurses, etc.

I have known full-grown adults who find this lifestyle extremely gratifying. They fancy themselves quite powerful; however one look at their pathetic lives betrays the real truth: THEY'RE IDIOTS. I avoid them like the plague.

Kilfarer, you get one life to live in your earthly body. You get to choose what it will be like. So is THIS it?

Gwathren · March 16, 2004, 13:38:33

It's your choice what you do, but You know YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. BUt since you are dealing with black magic, I'm sure you know that to the very bottom...

Moonburn33 · March 17, 2004, 09:46:56

we do horrible things everyday in the name of survival. your dinner plate is a veritable array of transgressions. karma does not exist. if, however, you feel guilty about what you've done- you'll get what you think you deserve. so it just goes to show you, the less conscience you have, the better off you'll be in life.

Eric g · March 19, 2004, 06:29:58

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Originally posted by Moonburn33

....karma does not exist. ....

That's your opinion and nothing more than that..... FOR me Karma does exist...

Gwathren · March 19, 2004, 13:57:15

quote:
Originally posted by Moonburn33

...karma does not exist...

Here I agree with Eric g: some sort of karma exists since life is fair and somehow everything will be made to come back to you. Since the universe is governed by order there has to be karma.

IronWire · March 22, 2004, 13:13:37

I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Just my opinion, nothing more. [|)]

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Originally posted by Moonburn33

we do horrible things everyday in the name of survival. your dinner plate is a veritable array of transgressions. karma does not exist. if, however, you feel guilty about what you've done- you'll get what you think you deserve. so it just goes to show you, the less conscience you have, the better off you'll be in life.

I agree that we walk away with transgressions, knowingly and unknowingly, everyday. Be it in the name of survival or what not. To say karma does not exist may itself be a form of ignorance. No one likes to admit their transgression. Acceptance is a hard step to take. Many people don't have the grace to accept the wrongs in their lives. Knowing its effects and repercussions could devistate ones ego. To say that having less of a conscience in terms of guilt ends up being a case of denial. That which you deny you can not see and in some cases, if karma existed, you wouldn't see it coming. It helps being aware of those around you. Your path is clearer and your motives carry more certainty.

Karma has a logic it works on. It is a force generated in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence. First thing a person gravitates to mentally is death and rebirth. Often the arguement following it is that karma is a constant force that you get back several-fold. Whats interesting is that people constantly change. People learn and grow changing into something a little better than the last time. Karma has taken effect bad or good, a 'force' prevailed.

My point being is that this thread started as a spell. That spell gained through the many persons who viewed some force. The spell now as a thought form could be called upon because it has force by the people who combined had a thought about it, or contributed to its thoughtfullness. Their combined ideas reacted and created other forces. Those other forces give enough to let it exist. Since all these forces are at work because there are enough people playing this game to make it happen. Ideas, thoughts they're all like chess pieces and when the time is right, when the move is in your favour I'm sure that piece, good or bad, is the piece you wanted to move. Weather you thought about it or not, once you make your move you can't take it back.

So be aware, it helps.

Haematite · March 27, 2004, 05:50:44

I strongly recommend NOT doing black magic. It could only cause bad to everyone - mostly to you. And it isn't the right way for spiritual development - on the contrary : it pollutes you.
Please, be sensible and use your skills only for good purposes!
be safe

Moonburn33 · March 27, 2004, 10:17:23

yes, there is cause and effect- but what happens to the person who has no moral system? karma does not have a list of naughty things to punish that person. karma was originally intended by the hindu society as a form of population control and an excuse for oppression.

i am responsible for the death of thousands of chickens, cows and various plant life- what will my next life look like? oh wait.. i still get to kill thousands more... there's a hole in the theory here.

i say do what you want- because everything else in nature is and they seem to be having a better time at life than we are.

Haematite · March 28, 2004, 13:10:22

Karma is universal law - noone could "invent" it - it just excist - no matter what names people call it with or which religion talks about it or no matter if you believe in it or not. I don't want to force my believes on you - I just wish more people be thoughtful and take responsibility for their deeds.
And Karma actually has "list of naughty things" - everything we think, say and do is "recorded" and has it's effect in the world.
Everyone has their choise - and isn't it much more easy and right to choose Not to hurt anyone?!...
be safe[

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Moonburn33 · March 28, 2004, 20:29:22

tell me how you came to the conclusion that karma exists- because i'd like to know if you actually CAME to the conclusion- or you just ascribed to this belief as part of the new age doctrine.

and saying that karma is real, whether you believe it or not gives it a quality of absoluteness- which would allow you to force your beliefs on people.

people will hurt people to survive- just like every other animal.

Haematite · March 29, 2004, 04:04:31

Karma isn't "new age doctrine" - it excists like gravitation. You feel the gravitation with your body as you could feel karma in another higher level using your unmaterial abilities. My intuition, my inner sight tell me it excists...and my intuition has never lied to me.
You can't touch karma, but that doesn't mean it's not something real...I can see proofs for that wherever I look...and if you want to see them you'll find them also.
I've always knew a part of me is unmaterial but I couldn't prove it until I had obe... Or I've always knew I had aura and finaly I saw it. But if you ask me why I've been sure about these things since I was a little child I'll just simply answer :"intuition". I don't see a point to give you examples or names of books about karma - if you don't want to believe in something you'll reject it anyway...
Be safe

Moonburn33 · March 30, 2004, 00:15:56

a.- it is not a force in and of itself; otherwise it could be predicted using an algorithm.
b.- i am indifferent to its existence. from what i've seen and experienced, this is what i think karma is:

say you do a spell. that spell is now impressed with your very specific energies. those energies have everything about you- including your moral structure, ethics, and basic belief system. if you violate your own belief system, then the spell put in motion will be programmed to gather energies, send back to you and affect you in perceived negative ways. this is not absolute and the effects can differ from person to person- including positive effects for a traditionally evil act- if the right belief system is in place. if you believe that causing harm to someone else through magick is wrong, then there will be negative consequences to your doing the spell. if you believe that the magickal act against the other person is right, then you will benefit from the energetic backlash. end of story.

Moonburn33 · March 30, 2004, 00:27:08

somebody prove me wrong.

no really, offer up a different argument

Haematite · March 30, 2004, 03:37:13

The difference between us is that you look at the things based on youself and your own laws - and I look on everything based on universal laws. I had to overcome myself and to rise a bit higher to see there're a lot of things more important than my egoself - and I do believe costing troubles to other people is harmful to the whole harmony.
I know there're a lot of people who don't think there are universal laws - like those deepunderwater fishes with strange shapes - they might think that only existing things are their world and their laws...but we all know there is lightful water above, there is air, land, other creatures, space, Universe... And all those things are connected one with another...even those deepocean fishes which don't believe we exist.

And Karma IS something like algorithm, but it's "math" can't be get easily with our unperfect brains...if we raise up to higher level we'll be more able to understand it.

Be safe

Moonburn33 · March 30, 2004, 19:42:21

yes, it is math- it's just that it can't be predicted unless you have the thousands and thousands of variables that make up destiny, karma or whatever you want to call it. it's so constantly changing and specific that it would take a lifetime to study one person's.. karma.

and how do you know that the laws you believe in are universal?

if you were a fish you would only be able to infer about land. you are a human and are only able to guess about the universe.

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