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Originally posted by Kiflarer
Be carfull with this one!!!here it goes
Ritual:make a hole in your finger make a lil blood come out put it on the persons forehead you wanna cast the spell on and say the spell:
By Lucifer And Nyx I call The Forbidden Powers To Cast This Spell,
And Cast It Well
Curse This Person Till In Hell
On This (month) Night
The Stars Shine Bright
Let Lucifer And Nyx Come Down And Take This Mortal Soul
BE CAREFULL WHEN YOU CAST IT!!!!! COUSE REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU DO COMES BACK 3 TIMES AS HARD!!!!!
Are you smoking lots of crack these days...?
Lasher
lol lasher
i used to browse a lot of occult sites trying to find accurate information, and stuff like that came up a lot, but i never thought of it as accurate. spells dont need rituals like that but it can help get you into the frame of mind. i don't know why you'd want to use a spell like that, though.. and as far as the '3 times worse' thing, that's also common on a lot of magick sites.. but i would guess it's pure dogma.
i thought that also at first but when i made someone sick... my father got VERRY sick and when i just wrote down a spell to kill someone i fallen down the stairs and the same day i had an awfull headache and almost got killed in a car accident
nd when i made myself stronger with a spell...i was breaking down everything i saw touched
even if your dad get sick because of what you did, which may have just been coincidence, that subconscious fear of something bad happening in return to you couldve done the trick by itself. dogma.
did you have a bad child hood? Why do you want to do black magic or whatever its call?
well you know its just couse i almost killed a kid that bullies everyone with a black spell i more do black spells out of revenge
The myth about energy coming back to hurt you is due to what some call the "ripple effect". It can be prevented with proper precautions.
Even the demons get their permission from God, whose law demands three times recompense for trespasses.
Greetings,
The universal laws of cause and effect are immutable.
Every cause will have an equal effect in the same order of magnitude, positive or negative, black or white.
I personally do not believe that karma can be avoided - anyone who performs black magic against another will pay the price, either in this lifetime or a future one.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Kiflarer,
You seem to have a lot of negativity within you. Why the preoccupation with black magic? Why is it that you so want to hurt other people in this world and why do you think you have the right? And do you honestly believe you have the power to decide whether someone goes to hell?
Whatever your reasons (powertrip, revenge etc) love, forgiveness and trying to see the good in people will serve you far better than harnessing negativity towards others.
Regards,
Stream
Dearest Kilflarer,
You appear to be posting a lot of questions about magic, looking for things OUTSIDE OF YOURSELF to fix your life. You're not alone. Many people misunderstand the true nature of magic, and go shopping for notions and potions and lotions and such to change their lives . . . without bothering to fix the real problem - - themselves!
Let me tell you something about so-called "black spells."
Any sorcerer who's worth his/her weight knows that to curse someone, all you have to do is inform your victim that you've done such. Then lie back and have a beer, because your work is done.
Your victim, if he believes in such nonsense, will get all spooled up and anxious and frightened, attribute everything that goes wrong from that point on to the "curse" you supposedly put on him. Preoccupied and nervous, he'll step in front of a moving vehicle or step on a nail or hit his head, and blame you for it.
Then, if he's a true believer, he'll pull out some dusty books of black magic and work on a countercurse toward you. And since you obviously believe in "black magic" (or you'd never ask the question), you yourself will get all anxious and spend copious amounts of time generating wards, protective circles, special amulets, your own countercurses, etc.
I have known full-grown adults who find this lifestyle extremely gratifying. They fancy themselves quite powerful; however one look at their pathetic lives betrays the real truth: THEY'RE IDIOTS. I avoid them like the plague.
Kilfarer, you get one life to live in your earthly body. You get to choose what it will be like. So is THIS it?
It's your choice what you do, but You know YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. BUt since you are dealing with black magic, I'm sure you know that to the very bottom...
we do horrible things everyday in the name of survival. your dinner plate is a veritable array of transgressions. karma does not exist. if, however, you feel guilty about what you've done- you'll get what you think you deserve. so it just goes to show you, the less conscience you have, the better off you'll be in life.
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Originally posted by Moonburn33
....karma does not exist. ....
That's your opinion and nothing more than that..... FOR me Karma does exist...
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Originally posted by Moonburn33
...karma does not exist...
Here I agree with Eric g: some sort of karma exists since life is fair and somehow everything will be made to come back to you. Since the universe is governed by order there has to be karma.
I thought I'd throw my two cents in. Just my opinion, nothing more. [|)]
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Originally posted by Moonburn33
we do horrible things everyday in the name of survival. your dinner plate is a veritable array of transgressions. karma does not exist. if, however, you feel guilty about what you've done- you'll get what you think you deserve. so it just goes to show you, the less conscience you have, the better off you'll be in life.
I agree that we walk away with transgressions, knowingly and unknowingly, everyday. Be it in the name of survival or what not. To say karma does not exist may itself be a form of ignorance. No one likes to admit their transgression. Acceptance is a hard step to take. Many people don't have the grace to accept the wrongs in their lives. Knowing its effects and repercussions could devistate ones ego. To say that having less of a conscience in terms of guilt ends up being a case of denial. That which you deny you can not see and in some cases, if karma existed, you wouldn't see it coming. It helps being aware of those around you. Your path is clearer and your motives carry more certainty.
Karma has a logic it works on. It is a force generated in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence. First thing a person gravitates to mentally is death and rebirth. Often the arguement following it is that karma is a constant force that you get back several-fold. Whats interesting is that people constantly change. People learn and grow changing into something a little better than the last time. Karma has taken effect bad or good, a 'force' prevailed.
My point being is that this thread started as a spell. That spell gained through the many persons who viewed some force. The spell now as a thought form could be called upon because it has force by the people who combined had a thought about it, or contributed to its thoughtfullness. Their combined ideas reacted and created other forces. Those other forces give enough to let it exist. Since all these forces are at work because there are enough people playing this game to make it happen. Ideas, thoughts they're all like chess pieces and when the time is right, when the move is in your favour I'm sure that piece, good or bad, is the piece you wanted to move. Weather you thought about it or not, once you make your move you can't take it back.
So be aware, it helps.
I strongly recommend NOT doing black magic. It could only cause bad to everyone - mostly to you. And it isn't the right way for spiritual development - on the contrary : it pollutes you.
Please, be sensible and use your skills only for good purposes!
be safe
yes, there is cause and effect- but what happens to the person who has no moral system? karma does not have a list of naughty things to punish that person. karma was originally intended by the hindu society as a form of population control and an excuse for oppression.
i am responsible for the death of thousands of chickens, cows and various plant life- what will my next life look like? oh wait.. i still get to kill thousands more... there's a hole in the theory here.
i say do what you want- because everything else in nature is and they seem to be having a better time at life than we are.
Karma is universal law - noone could "invent" it - it just excist - no matter what names people call it with or which religion talks about it or no matter if you believe in it or not. I don't want to force my believes on you - I just wish more people be thoughtful and take responsibility for their deeds.
And Karma actually has "list of naughty things" - everything we think, say and do is "recorded" and has it's effect in the world.
Everyone has their choise - and isn't it much more easy and right to choose Not to hurt anyone?!...
be safe[:)]
tell me how you came to the conclusion that karma exists- because i'd like to know if you actually CAME to the conclusion- or you just ascribed to this belief as part of the new age doctrine.
and saying that karma is real, whether you believe it or not gives it a quality of absoluteness- which would allow you to force your beliefs on people.
people will hurt people to survive- just like every other animal.
Karma isn't "new age doctrine" - it excists like gravitation. You feel the gravitation with your body as you could feel karma in another higher level using your unmaterial abilities. My intuition, my inner sight tell me it excists...and my intuition has never lied to me.
You can't touch karma, but that doesn't mean it's not something real...I can see proofs for that wherever I look...and if you want to see them you'll find them also.
I've always knew a part of me is unmaterial but I couldn't prove it until I had obe... Or I've always knew I had aura and finaly I saw it. But if you ask me why I've been sure about these things since I was a little child I'll just simply answer :"intuition". I don't see a point to give you examples or names of books about karma - if you don't want to believe in something you'll reject it anyway...
Be safe
a.- it is not a force in and of itself; otherwise it could be predicted using an algorithm.
b.- i am indifferent to its existence. from what i've seen and experienced, this is what i think karma is:
say you do a spell. that spell is now impressed with your very specific energies. those energies have everything about you- including your moral structure, ethics, and basic belief system. if you violate your own belief system, then the spell put in motion will be programmed to gather energies, send back to you and affect you in perceived negative ways. this is not absolute and the effects can differ from person to person- including positive effects for a traditionally evil act- if the right belief system is in place. if you believe that causing harm to someone else through magick is wrong, then there will be negative consequences to your doing the spell. if you believe that the magickal act against the other person is right, then you will benefit from the energetic backlash. end of story.
somebody prove me wrong.
no really, offer up a different argument
The difference between us is that you look at the things based on youself and your own laws - and I look on everything based on universal laws. I had to overcome myself and to rise a bit higher to see there're a lot of things more important than my egoself - and I do believe costing troubles to other people is harmful to the whole harmony.
I know there're a lot of people who don't think there are universal laws - like those deepunderwater fishes with strange shapes - they might think that only existing things are their world and their laws...but we all know there is lightful water above, there is air, land, other creatures, space, Universe... And all those things are connected one with another...even those deepocean fishes which don't believe we exist.
And Karma IS something like algorithm, but it's "math" can't be get easily with our unperfect brains...if we raise up to higher level we'll be more able to understand it.
Be safe
yes, it is math- it's just that it can't be predicted unless you have the thousands and thousands of variables that make up destiny, karma or whatever you want to call it. it's so constantly changing and specific that it would take a lifetime to study one person's.. karma.
and how do you know that the laws you believe in are universal?
if you were a fish you would only be able to infer about land. you are a human and are only able to guess about the universe.
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Originally posted by Moonburn33
somebody prove me wrong.
no really, offer up a different argument
Nah, I saw your point about 5 posts ago. [:D]
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if you were a fish you would only be able to infer about land. you are a human and are only able to guess about the universe.
That's what I mean - we could only guess about highest dimensions but that doesn't mean they don't exist. We, human beings, are supposed to develop ourselves and to search about Truth.
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and how do you know that the laws you believe in are universal?
As I said I believe everything in Universe is connected in one system. For example the movement of stars reflects and has always been reflecting to everything - from worldwide disasters to single person's life.
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yes, it is math- it's just that it can't be predicted unless you have the thousands and thousands of variables that make up destiny, karma or whatever you want to call it. it's so constantly changing and specific that it would take a lifetime to study one person's.. karma.
Actually it takes a lot of lifetimes to think over one's karma[:)] If it could took only few hours or days we would be at the end of our Paths... You know, it could be a bit simple if you think more: that "karma-equation" is universal and if a person is "x" in it that means it'll variate a lot (as people are different) and everyone is responsible for it's solution - it could be faster, or it could be slower if you use roundabout ways...if it's too long you'll have to "shift" it on next line and that means you're doing reincarnate...If you look up at your mistakes you'll be able to solute it faster...And of course if you try to see karma like equation you should try to see it like n-dimensional one[:)]
Heh, that example might be very stupid and incomplete - I'm sorry about that - but you'll understand me anyway if you use your intuituon[:)]
Be safe
hi all... thats right its me... Kenny AKA Kiflarer but id rather call myself Rayko... when i wrote this spell it was long ago and the background of it is a suggestion of my friend he wanted to kill a bully so i did this... i changed... i have become aware of what i could do to myself and other people i realy apoligize myself for this
(YES I AM SCHIZOFRENIC i cant help it i got 2 personalities... must be becouse i always am a nice guy but cant show my angryer side... but yet... Rayko has always been here for me when in trouble so i call my schizofrenia as a blessing[8)])
Well, all of us have moments when they don't feel to be themselves, but still it's better to rule yourself and your actions but not to let to be leaded by your egoself/s... I don't accuse you, I respect you as I respect every other creature...I just think you could become one - still it's more stable in that way and you should learn how to be a nice guy without being a schizo - I'm sure you can because that kind of state is only in your mind, but your soul is just one and it's perfect[:)]
Be safe
thanks but still i do all by myself just it feels good to have someone to be behind me no matter what... this Rayko is a real good guy just he has the currage to take on bullys... i dont... he did get over his killing period... dont realy look at me as schizofrenic i dont even know if its true... it all started like this
i got bullied allot and couldnt find a way out... so i decided to make a spiritual replica of myself couse i never had much fantasy so i didnt wanna make up another guy so i made myself but i edited his inner i made him have better courage n stuff and i teached him some stuff it realy was like he never been to this world i dunno how to explain it did i realy create him or did he come from another dimension or so??? so after teaching him good things hes just someone to fill me up with the things i dont have... u see? i aint realy schizo its just easyer to explain to u guys what i kind of experiense by saying i am schizo
What really frustrates me is that people accept all of these new age ideas as fact without questioning them. Haematite, by saying that we are supposed to do such and such and that the universe is connected in this and this a way, is inane. you state it like it's a basis of fact, when it's a pretty controversial and abstract, out-there idea.
you say things like it's matter of fact, when in reality- you haven't arrived at any of your conclusions through sound reason. screw intuition when all you get is a bunch of mushy, useless crap that can't help anyone. Intuition is the apprehension of ideas or concepts without the use of reasoning faculties. that doesn't mean that you should discount your mind altogether. no part of yourself is more important than another- including your soul- which you seem to think is hot stuff.
Kiflarer, I haven't been in position like yours, but still I can say: do what you think is right - it could has some reason for that - it's your "path" anyway....
Moonburn33
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What really frustrates me is that people accept all of these new age ideas as fact without questioning them. Haematite, by saying that we are supposed to do such and such and that the universe is connected in this and this a way, is inane. you state it like it's a basis of fact, when it's a pretty controversial and abstract, out-there idea.
you say things like it's matter of fact, when in reality- you haven't arrived at any of your conclusions through sound reason. screw intuition when all you get is a bunch of mushy, useless crap that can't help anyone. Intuition is the apprehension of ideas or concepts without the use of reasoning faculties. that doesn't mean that you should discount your mind altogether. no part of yourself is more important than another- including your soul- which you seem to think is hot stuff.
Well, I do believe in what I said and I'm sorry you can't get it. And yes, my soul IS "hot stuff" for me because when my body will rot in the grave my soul will remain. And I'm curious what does person like you (who doesn't believe in intuition and non-touchable proofs) do here where people deal mostly with non-material stuff.
Be safe
i never said i did not think that inuition was valid- i just said, in a rather haphazard way that i thought that most people have an inbalanced proportion of themselves devoted to it.
just because your body isn't immortal doesn't make it unimportant- it makes the time you spend in it that much more valuable. don't automatically assume that just because something is at the mercy of time and reality that it isn't worth anything- or that it isn't equal to those things that have more... staying power.
Well, I'm a creature made to be ruled by intuition - that's my way of perceiving everything. Some people are guided by their logic - they need to see and think over all the facts and the information, but I skip the shapes and I don't need to see them, because I feel them. Both ways are correct - it depends which one is more sutable for you.
And I don't think my body is unimportant - it's just in serve for my soul needs because it's here to mediate between rough matter with it's slow vibrations and my ethereal body. My body is my "flat" here in this life and I'm taking care of it in purpose to follow my path properly. You see, I'm not here to serve to my body needs... I'm here to develop myself as much as I can trying to do my best, to take the right decisions - in the name of my soul. It's good for a person to be in harmony on all their levels, to set everything on it's right place...to be wise enough to know how to act. And that control should be exercised by your soul because it's the guiding power, the sparkle, the sacral core that gives meaning to everything...without it our bodys would be like vegetating dead matter.
this thread has gotten so off topic.
my contention is that a balanced personality will better express your true self- you need an intellect to discern what things your intuition picks up are correct.
That's right. For me a balanced person is someone who is capable of organazing themselves properly in all levels.
And of course I don't intend to be blindly rulled by my intuition - otherwise it looses it's point.
be safe
Be carfull with this one!!!here it goes
Ritual:make a hole in your finger make a lil blood come out put it on the persons forehead you wanna cast the spell on and say the spell:
By Lucifer And Nyx I call The Forbidden Powers To Cast This Spell,
And Cast It Well
Curse This Person Till In Hell
On This (month) Night
The Stars Shine Bright
Let Lucifer And Nyx Come Down And Take This Mortal Soul
BE CAREFULL WHEN YOU CAST IT!!!!! COUSE REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU DO COMES BACK 3 TIMES AS HARD!!!!!