Love Spell

[GANAMOHA]

man thats not right using that to do that and one more thing if you try to use something like that agaist ones will and its strong enough it wont work and it could backfire in some way so dont go lookin into that cause thats not right

[G3MM4]

I didn't say I wanted to use it against someone. I'm just merely curious about it that's all. It seems interesting how it can be done, after I intially heard about that sort of thing.

[Rastus]

A common question.

Being 39, I can say without a doubt not to try it.  Trying to attract a specific person is only asking for long term trouble.  Now casting for someone in general isn't such a bad thing, since there will be direction in the choice, but open in the result.  I'd be careful looking for soulmates, it can be a very long and ardous journey!!!

What is your training?

[aryanknight666]

oh please. There is nothing wrong with casting a love spell on somebody.
Why not? if you simply go around refuting any magickal working that is for personal gain, how on earth do you expect to get anywhere?
Love spells are quite easy, I could describe to you how to do one.
Basically it would programme your aura to attract the other person, which isn't "3vil!!!111" at all. I've noticed this is the general response to anyone asking about spells, everybody just says
"No!!! No majyck for personyl gain! it wyll come back to ye three fold!!! systers of karma will punish thee!!!"
If you know how to work the spell someone is asking for, just tell them, its up to that person whether its "right" or "wrong".
An experienced magician is not going to waste his time on such crap.

[Rastus]

Wrong answer.  That has nothing to do with it.  I personally did one and was glad I did.

The reason I don't think he should because can he tell love from lust?  Any good WWW search will give him the answer.  It's not the mechanism or even the morals.  It's "Beware what you ask for, you may get it!"

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by aryanknight666

oh please. There is nothing wrong with casting a love spell on somebody.

I know what you're saying about the people who freak out at any suggestion about doing a spell for personal gain.  They're annoying.

However, I don't think you can ever successfully do a LOVE spell.  You can do a SEX spell on someone and decide on the ethical nature of that yourself (personally I think it's creepy).  However, a love spell for a specific person?  You can cast a spell on someone and they might proclaim their love for you, but do they really love you or is it the spell making them think they do?  Anything you create will only make an artificial love, and to me that isn't real love, so why bother?  

If you don't care, then ok, but I think it's a waste of time.
That's why I don't think you can really do a successful LOVE spell.

But yeah, there are tons of spells for love.  They're all over the internet and you can find many interesting ones in Voudoun books and sites.

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by Rastus
Any good WWW search will give him the answer.  It's not the mechanism or even the morals.  It's "Beware what you ask for, you may get it!"

Oh yeah.  A good friend of mine did a general love spell to attract a non-specific lover, the kind that most Wiccan books generally proclaim as safe.  Unfortunately she did not specify marital status when she did the spell. She met someone who turned out to be her dream guy and he fell in love with her, but he was married.

This led to multiple suicide attempts by both parties, and five years of misery as they could not detach from each other and he did not want to leave his wife.  The whole thing was a big debacle and they lost friends, and their health due to all the long-term stress it caused.

So yes, she got what she wanted thanks to the love spell.  If she'd done it a bit more carefully, it might have worked out but as it stands, it's the biggest disaster of her life.  I always thought she should try the spell again and pay closer attention to the details, but she's now so attached to this guy that she can't even think about anyone else.

So it works, but if anyone tries it, be more careful than she was!

[aryanknight666]

quote:However, I don't think you can ever successfully do a LOVE spell. You can do a SEX spell on someone and decide on the ethical nature of that yourself (personally I think it's creepy). However, a love spell for a specific person? You can cast a spell on someone and they might proclaim their love for you, but do they really love you or is it the spell making them think they do? Anything you create will only make an artificial love, and to me that isn't real love, so why bother?

No, you can do it so the specific person will love you. Using your aura is the easiest method. You programme your aura and use pink energy, and you can also direct sexual energy into the spell through masdurbation.
It isn't really an artificial love because you are setting everything up for the attraction to take place.

[G3MM4]

Wow, I wasn't expecting to get such a mixed response. I guess it's down to the caster to decide whether it's right or not. I know I could search for a love spell on the net, but I thought I'd give this place a try first. Like I said, I don't want to cast one, but was just interested to see how it works etc.

[James S]

I have a couple of very well written and practical books on witchcraft that say the same thing about love spells - be careful, be VERY careful.

The touble with the way witchcraft is popularly advertised today, is a great deal of it is aimed squarely at teenage girls. Some authors, such as Fiona Horne have made a good bit of money producing books aimed at the teen market. Now I do have great admiration for Fiona, a lot of which was from the days when I used to see her perform live as lead singer for the old Aussie band DEF FX (bet ya'll didn't know she used to be a vocalist, and a darn good one), but also for the way she was not afraid to promote the fact that she was a witch.
Sorry, getting off the track a little....

As a result of the way a lot of witchcraft has been marketed, you can buy a great number of books on love spells. Borders is full of them in the Mind Body Spirit section! The problem here is you need to be very careful to separate the LOVE spells from the LUST spells.

Rastus made a very good clear point about this - "Beware what you ask for, you may get it!"

The difference, is at the same time basic, and quite profound:

A LUST spell is one that is aimed at someone in particular. Typically what will happen here is you meet someone you really like, you wnat them to notice you and ask you out, so you cast the spell or use a charm. Despite the fact that you quite likely don't really know who they are and what they're really like, the spell is successful. They notice you, they talk to you, they ask you out. Then they call you, and call you again and again and again. You find out that they're not really the person for you, but the spell has done its work. Severl months pass and you find you are being stalked by someone who has become obsessed with you. You now have to work very hard at cutting those ties that bind you.
Does this sound a bit extreme? It isn't! This happens all to often!

A LOVE spell on the other hand is something quite different.
A love spell relies on the principal of "like calls to like". A love spell is not cast upon anyone in particular, it is more like a request that goes out to the universe to find THE RIGHT person for you. The spell not only works on finding someone for you, it works on you as well. A true love spell will bring you to the right place at the right time, and help you to be in the right mental and emotional state to meet the right person for you.

Big difference here!

One basic rule that a lot of people seem to forget is you cannot make someone love you. You can only either make someone lust after you, or you can bring yourself and another together to a place where you can fall in love.

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by aryanknight666
No, you can do it so the specific person will love you. Using your aura is the easiest method. You programme your aura and use pink energy, and you can also direct sexual energy into the spell through masdurbation.
It isn't really an artificial love because you are setting everything up for the attraction to take place.

Aryan,

I'd rethink your views towards aura and spell work here if I were you.

Sending pink energy out to someone is a very good thing, as pink is the colour of unconditional love.
Sending sexual energy is not! This energy is a darkish red energy, and with most things in nature that are clearly marked red, it means DANGER. A great many women will uncosciously avoid a guy who has this energy around them. If you want to project love, keep the sexual energy out of it all together.

James.

[aryanknight666]

Sexual energy is purple, merlin.

[G3MM4]

Hmmm interesting. You make a lot of sense there James.

quote:The reason I don't think he should because can he tell love from lust?

Yes I can seperate lust from love. I expect I'm not different from a lot of other women in this respect. []

[Naiad780]

quote:It isn't really an artificial love because you are setting everything up for the attraction to take place.

Perhaps that's a matter of personal opinion.  To me, someone needs to fall in love with me naturally.  If it's been induced in any way, I'm not interested.

If you mean that you are merely setting up the *opportunity* for love (meetings, spending time together, getting to know each other), then that's different.  I don't have a problem with that.

[G3MM4]

I did a Google on love spells, but there are different ones. So what's the difference between them all, and how would you know which one to use if you wanted to?

[Risu no Kairu]

quote:Originally posted by James S

The touble with the way witchcraft is popularly advertised today, is a great deal of it is aimed squarely at teenage girls.

Ugh. I know what you mean. That's almost entirely what the "New Age" section at the local Media Play is. That and like three or four Sylvia Brown books.

[James S]

Risu,
It's a worry isn't it? I've given up on mainstream retail outlets for just that reason.

G3MM4,
take a close look at the spell and see if its something that looks like you would "aim" it at someone in particular. If it's a spell to be used on someone specific, chances are its a lust spell. If it's more general, not aimed at anyone in particular, but more like an affirmation or invocation of love to come your way, it's a good one.

Aryanknight,
Where are you getting your info?
Purple is the spiritual colour!

Check this site out if you want the basics of aura colours:
http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/THE%20SEVEN%20LAYER%20OF%20THE%20AURIC%20FIELD.html

These are pretty basic descriptions of the colours, but also pretty accurate. I've done a study of auras with other psychics and I've seen these colours enough times in people's auras to agree with this site's basic guidelines here.

If you look up "aura colors" using Google (keep the spelling of "colour" american or you don't get as many sites), you'll get more or less the same colour info on each site.

Regards,
James.

[Silversunset]

quote:oh please. There is nothing wrong with casting a love spell on somebody.
Why not? if you simply go around refuting any magickal working that is for personal gain, how on earth do you expect to get anywhere?

the problem with doing love spells is that people do them on someone they honestly feel for, and then how can you be sure that the person honestly felt that way about you? THAT is why they are wrong, not because of the personal gain. you are tampering with someone's life without their permission, making them act or feel ways they may not on their own, which can cause bad things to happen. what if the spell doesn't go away or you can't break it, and you lose interest. then they are stuck feeling for you for ever....that alone could suck.

[aryanknight666]

Controlling the weak is one of the benefits of strong.
I don't have to worry about any of the sour effects that may come with magic anyway.

[G3MM4]

Aryanknight please could you explain that in more depth? What do you mean you don't have to worry about the effects of magic?

[Jonathan]

Hello all,

Can someone here direct me towards a good magical system and a good love spell.  By good I mean one that works, so preferably someone who has experience in the matter first hand.  I would also appreciate more precise input here about the bio-mechanics of attraction.

My two cents on the current discussion is this.  Looks and compatibility attrack someone to you and love is the natural result when the attraction becomes strong between people of opposite sex.  Love cannot be conjured but attraction can, and love will follow.  

[G3MM4]

You've got a good point there, love does naturally follow strong attraction, but don't you think there's something morally wrong with "forcing" (for the want of a better word) someone to be attracted to you in the first place via a love spell?

[daem0n]

if you can't get along without magic, how on earth do you expect to do so with magic , it's just a waste of time
if you want sex, go to a prostitute, if you can't find anything on your own (well i suppose this will be more expensive than candles/whatever, but at least you don't have to fight with after effects (and if you ask for such spell there will likely be some), if you don't catch anything [xx(], that is[B)])

[Jonathan]

Hello All,

My first assumption when talking about love spells, if you're attracted to the person you're not trying to do them harm.

Changing your energy body emissions to attrack someone in particular should be no different from changing your clothes or hair style.  "Forcing" someone to be attracted to you would require more than this.  For example, installing an energetic device on the individual, similar to the ones negs install on humans to manipulate emotional states.  Then making it so that certain bioenergy currents flow in such and such a way  that when they're near you they fell "nice".  Sort of like long distance accupucture.  This would be taking it up a notch.  Furthermore, you could try direct mental manipulation but I think I can safely say that would be beyond the skill of those who frequent this forum.  In theory, mental manipulation would require you to create a message in words, translate to abstract thoguht, then implant on the subject's mind directly by attaching it to some image (ei core images).  This could theoretically be done by dream manipulation.  Notice how many times I've used the word theoretically here, this is merely an informed hypothesis that definetly requires testing.  This would be the strongest possible interpretation of "forcing" someone to be attracted to you.

How would wrong would any of this be???  All is well that ends well and "those who have their own WHY to life, will come to terms with just about any HOW". Second point to consider, is any harm done to the person to whom any of the above methods is applied? Notice this is now a question of intention, therefore simply saying that if you're attracted enough to a person to go through all that trouble you wouldn't want to harm them isn't enough.  The question is not of intent but one of fact.  And the first point would be rather obvious and done entirely inscticvely, the same as above but about yourself (ie is this good for you?)  If the answer to both questions is no then there is nothing wrong with attracking someone to you.  Unfortunately, only time can answer some of this questions.  

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[Rastus]

Extrapolate.  See the connections.  See beyond the original question.  Doesn't anyone look at the converse anymore?

Ethically speaking, a directed love spell is mind control/manipulation.  If your okay with that, ethically speaking, then you have already crossed the standard Wiccan line.  It's also not the stock spell, and doesn't follow the normal form.  But if you cast in general, for no one in particular, then it's all good.