imbueing magical power into objects

[ARCHDRAGON]

I was wondering if it is possible to get a sword and use magic that will cause demons to run in fear whenever it is drawn from the scabbard,
and to die when I see them and strike with it? I wish to do this as I have promised a certain powerful entity that I would become a demon slayer as he did. I won't mention any names except that he is good and desires peace for all people and the destruction of the demons. please post if you know anything about this.

[CaCoDeMoN]

I was wondering if it is possible to get a sword and use magic that will cause demons to run in fear whenever it is drawn from the scabbard,
and to die when I see them and strike with it? I wish to do this as I have promised a certain powerful entity that I would become a demon slayer as he did. I won't mention any names except that he is good and desires peace for all people and the destruction of the demons. please post if you know anything about this.

Why do you want to kill demons? There is no entities more friendly to humanity than demons. From my experiences, and experiences of the people I know they can be very helpful, and the false image of them was created by Christians. There's constant war between demons and YHWH, but why you have chosen that side?

[karnautrahl]

The concept of imbueing magical power or spells into objects is the practice of enchantment.  However what/who do you think/believe a demon is? Don't forget the limitations of our language and our ability to describe things in language here.

Why did you promise to become something like a demon slayer? What was the bargain and why make it? Did it give you identity?

How do you know for absolute certainty that the being you are describing is "good" and "good" universally?

Do you have any certainty that you should be on a side? and that there are definite and solid sides to choose from?
Or are you happy to become only a servant, perhaps a not well informed one even?
These are not in any way personal critisms of YOU, but questionings of the path you think you have chosen.
I would not choose to make a bargain on something that I didn't know I could do casually. Especially something like this.  I never promise healing, though I do promise to attempt from time to time.

If the being is good and powerful enough to create such solemn bargains with, I feel he/she is likely to be so powerful that your own contribution would be insignicant in comparison. Perhaps they need you far more and are not who you think...

Just provoking, hopefully thought.

[Tayesin]

It's probably bad form for me to post what I really think about this set of questions, so I will come to it another way.  

Demon Slayers are fictitious beings, although you may create one if enough people believe them.  Thanks 'Buffy', look wot you started...  

The "certain powerful entity" does not sound right to me..  something is amiss here.  If it is real, then you are being Tricked.  If not, then you already know...

And, it is folly to think anyone can kill 'demons'.  Yes you can move them, send them away, even change them profoundly, but killing them is just not possible...  energy cannot be destroyed... no matter what all the young demon-slayers say about this.

I think I am done now...  and hay, look how nicely I did it, LOL

[Veccolo]

Destroying energy is impossible, true. What about changing the "energy structure" of a being? Let's assume all beings have a specific energy structure which makes them what they are. Changing the structure of a being into "raw energy" (no (specific) structure) can then be considered as killing the being.

Comparable with servitors in magick which are constructed (giving a specific energy structure) by the magickan and are then deconstructed into whatever they were made of.

Or, to give a more down to earth example: Lit a candle and after a few hours it's gone. You just killed the candle!

[Tayesin]

Hi Veccolo,
I agree from those perspectives that it does seem to be killing.

But, what are you killing ?  Are you killing the Awareness that inhabits any form or even formlessness ?  Or are you only ending the energy body that was being used by that Awareness ?

Changing the structure of a being is what I do when flowing Golden Light into them....  it begins a massive change that appears like sparkles on their inside as it works through their form and their awareness.

Since the form is only energy, 'killing it' is only releasing the energy used to establish that form, and no harm is done to the Awareness that inhabited the form.

I liked the use of "raw energy" as a term for the basics of Awareness energy of the Source.  By changing a being into it's portion of raw energy, you are still not killing anything, only changing the way the energy now vibrates, and it still retains it's original portion of Awareness as the raw energy.

What do you think ?

[ARCHDRAGON]

thank you. what I said was made up I just wanted to see
how all of you would react.  it's fun for me to ask absurd questions and get anwsers to analyze your behaviors.
indeed as you say demons may not be "evil". being as evil is personal perception and not a solid concrete state.
and all things have developed to point where they decide what "good" and "evil" is and therefore decide to act upon
their world in accordance of what their perception of these things are. as one may consider a jihad for example as evil the fighters of a jihad are feeling happy about what they are doing as being holy.
all things are illusions really and perception creates our worlds. my personal principles are as such:  don't destroy unless no other course of action can be taken, don't take away from others unless asked to,
try to love and be friendly to everyone I meet, and
to learn more about all things. it is pleases me to see
people such as you that have open eyes and ears.

[ARCHDRAGON]

in truth we all do what we can to survive and once we establish survival then next come desires and once desires come you will never be satisfied. also I actually don't know much about demons and would like to hear
your stories about them. please post if you know anything about it.

[Veccolo]

(just for the records: I'm only theorizing here)

But, what are you killing ?  Are you killing the Awareness that inhabits any form or even formlessness ?  Or are you only ending the energy body that was being used by that Awareness ?

The individual awareness (which must have a specific structure) would be deconstructed as well. "Raw energy", because it doesn't have any specific structure (randomness?), could be considered to be universal "awareness", though I wouldn't call it awareness. It'd be some kind of "energy primordial soup", imo.

To make long things short: When "truly" killing something, you change it's whole being back into it's elementary parts (comparable with elementary particles in physics), and those parts can be put together to create something else.

[CaCoDeMoN]

in truth we all do what we can to survive and once we establish survival then next come desires and once desires come you will never be satisfied.

These are only dogmas. How you can be sure of this? I enjoy nearly every moment of life, and I am satisfied with what I have. Of course I have a desire of better life, but this doesn't mean that I do not enjoy current moment.

[CaCoDeMoN]

also I actually don't know much about demons and would like to hear
your stories about them. please post if you know anything about it.

I've summoned a few demons, and have reliable info on them, but this is not a thread about that, PM me for info.

thank you. what I said was made up I just wanted to see
how all of you would react. it's fun for me to ask absurd questions and get anwsers to analyze your behaviors.

There are two possibilities:
1. This thread was a joke - I think that some moderator should ban you. Analyzing behaviors? People are like a tools for you then...
2. You really were recruited - you will become a tool of some entity - have fun!

[ARCHDRAGON]

cacodemon, i hope i'm as lucky as you are someday. i'm in a seemingly endless sorrow, but any way that's not what this thread is about.

[CaCoDeMoN]

cacodemon, i hope i'm as lucky as you are someday. i'm in a seemingly endless sorrow, but any way that's not what this thread is about.

Everyone has their sorrows. My life is not perfect, I also have many problems, but remember that enjoying life is not based on reality but on how you are percieving it. For me life is like a computer game, and if the game would be easy, it wouldn't be enjoyable. I think that it's much better to have fun in this life than to wait for enlightement.

[Tayesin]

(just for the records: I'm only theorizing here)
The individual awareness (which must have a specific structure) would be deconstructed as well. "Raw energy", because it doesn't have any specific structure (randomness?), could be considered to be universal "awareness", though I wouldn't call it awareness. It'd be some kind of "energy primordial soup", imo.

To make long things short: When "truly" killing something, you change it's whole being back into it's elementary parts (comparable with elementary particles in physics), and those parts can be put together to create something else.

Not sure about Awareness having structure though, as it is intangible and doesn't occupy any space or matter to be itself.  So I am at a loss to explain how it could have any elementary particles, as such.

At the same time I know from the research into the Sumerian Tablets that it is widely regarded as truth in physics that any form that has been destroyed, it's sub-atomic particles scattered.... will eventually recombine to form the same object/body/etc, unless strict methods are used to prevent such scattering.

Hmm, I need to think some more on this subject Veccolo.

Thanks for the excellent discussion

[Veccolo]

Not sure about Awareness having structure though, as it is intangible and doesn't occupy any space or matter to be itself.  So I am at a loss to explain how it could have any elementary particles, as such.

Well, if every being is unique (different), then it can be assumed that every individual awareness must have some kind of difference (here: different structure) when compared to the others. If that weren't the case, then we would all have the same awareness.

To the particle thing:
Sorry for not saying it more clearly. I didn't mean to say that the "elementary parts" are elementary particles. The "elementary parts" would be the most basic and primitive form of energy.

Thanks for the excellent discussion

[Tayesin]

Hi Veccolo,
Thinking about the individual awarenesses.  Maybe it isn't about structure of awareness.  Maybe all portions of the Source Awareness are the same energy and therefore the same structure. (assuming it has structure at all)

In which case the differences could be from what each diverse awareness had experienced, thereby making it so different experiences create different thought patterns and characteristics that we perceive astrally, etc, as the specific feeling of each entity.

I get the elementary parts bit...  like Quanta, parcels of light/awareness that should have some form of structure..  if we could observe it scientifically.

Is this what you meant ?

[Veccolo]

(I use the word structure only as a help to describe what might make us what we are. Structure is probably way off in describing these things, but language is quite limited, so...)

Thinking about the individual awarenesses. Maybe it isn't about structure of awareness. Maybe all portions of the Source Awareness are the same energy and therefore the same structure. (assuming it has structure at all)

Maybe the "elemtary parts" have the natural attribute to form a basic, "simple" structure, which could be called "source awareness". It might then even be possible to deconstruct this structure into single parts, but it would reconstruct itself right away (into "source awareness") because of it's nature.

In which case the differences could be from what each diverse awareness had experienced, thereby making it so different experiences create different thought patterns and characteristics that we perceive astrally, etc, as the specific feeling of each entity.

Possible. The more a being experiences, the more complex it's "structure" becomes.

I get the elementary parts bit... like Quanta, parcels of light/awareness that should have some form of structure.. if we could observe it scientifically.

Is this what you meant ?

Yep, quantum is a good example.

[ARCHDRAGON]

would symbols work to cause any kind of effect to happen on an object?

[Tayesin]

Maybe the "elementary parts" have the natural attribute to form a basic, "simple" structure, which could be called "source awareness". It might then even be possible to deconstruct this structure into single parts, but it would reconstruct itself right away (into "source awareness") because of it's nature.

I like that, a lot.     It fits into my own thinking in some ways.......

For some time now I've been considering this Universe as a Living Being, which allows for Source Awareness as a reality...   if it is the awareness of this Universe.  It also allows for a birth of this Being into manifest reality(as this Universe) which then allows for it to desire Experience through knowing it's capabilities, exactly like we humans are born and grow.

The mechanics is based on Bubbleverse Theories that exist at the 11th dimension, according to recent mathematics...  it describes the birth of universes as being caused by two Bubbleverses touching and releasing massive amounts of energy...  which equates with the energy of a Big Bang, that creates a new Universe.

Because this happens at the 11th dimension it also allows for multi-billions of Bubbleverses to exist and to also co-create new ones !  

These mathematics were stuck at the 10th dimension and they appeared less flowing, less coherent and eventually broke down.  Whereas with the 11th dimension the mathematics opened up and flowed, even appearing cohesive and even beautiful...  to a mathematician that is.

Back to our off-topic, topic... LOL.   This theoretical mathematics allows for exactly what you wrote, including the deconstruction of awareness.  It may also allow for the energy of that awareness structure to be returned to it's most elementary parts.

But for some reason that I don't understand yet, I think the energy of awareness if converted to it's elementary parts would then be withdrawn by it's Originating Parent.  Just as when our body dies, the energetic awareness withdraws back to the higher astral and soul levels.

What do you think of this idea ?

[Veccolo]

For some time now I've been considering this Universe as a Living Being, which allows for Source Awareness as a reality... if it is the awareness of this Universe. It also allows for a birth of this Being into manifest reality(as this Universe) which then allows for it to desire Experience through knowing it's capabilities, exactly like we humans are born and grow.


The mechanics is based on Bubbleverse Theories that exist at the 11th dimension, according to recent mathematics... it describes the birth of universes as being caused by two Bubbleverses touching and releasing massive amounts of energy... which equates with the energy of a Big Bang, that creates a new Universe.

Because this happens at the 11th dimension it also allows for multi-billions of Bubbleverses to exist and to also co-create new ones !

These mathematics were stuck at the 10th dimension and they appeared less flowing, less coherent and eventually broke down. Whereas with the 11th dimension the mathematics opened up and flowed, even appearing cohesive and even beautiful... to a mathematician that is.

I've heard of this theories, but I've not had the time to study them more. I will do so eventually.

Back to our off-topic, topic... LOL. This theoretical mathematics allows for exactly what you wrote, including the deconstruction of awareness. It may also allow for the energy of that awareness structure to be returned to it's most elementary parts.

But for some reason that I don't understand yet, I think the energy of awareness if converted to it's elementary parts would then be withdrawn by it's Originating Parent. Just as when our body dies, the energetic awareness withdraws back to the higher astral and soul levels.

What do you think of this idea ?

Sounds plausible. The originating parent would be "source awareness" (here: elementary parts or most basic system of elemetary parts), and the individual awareness would, when deconstructed, form a system like source awareness. Now we have two single systems with the same structure. Both will, because of their natures, merge together and become one.


Not that I believe any of this, but it's interesting to think about it.

[daem0n]

i omited this topic because of it's title, but eventually i dropped by and, hey, golden nugget

i think that we would have to consider that there are several different methods (layers) of transcribing information (consciousness), which leaves everything immortal because we don't have access to it's most subtle layers (sub-atomic ? dunno)
we can add that due to holographic nature of reality we can't really destroy (completely) anything without destroying whole universe, on more day-to-day levels we can't destroy entity without destroying all of it's holographic counter-parts (they don't  necessarily communicate between themselves, or know about their existence), but it can be regenerated by something else from shattered pieces, which still carry information

demons have lots of counterparts, and friends  , but by changing parts of them you change in some way all they are (thx Tay )

so, the only effective way is recast to the source, with the cooperation with the source, that is

regarding source consciousness, the nearest concept for us would be brahman, expanding and contracting, consciousness is not necessarily all that is, until all that is returns back, which brings us back to the meaning of life  

[Tayesin]

"What do you think of this idea ?"

Sounds plausible. The originating parent would be "source awareness" (here: elementary parts or most basic system of elementary parts), and the individual awareness would, when deconstructed, form a system like source awareness. Now we have two single systems with the same structure. Both will, because of their natures, merge together and become one.

Not that I believe any of this, but it's interesting to think about it.

That originating parent would have to exist at the next larger picture....  the one above this Universe as a big picture.

But, yes, "Both will, because of their natures, merge together and become one."

And you are right, it's not something for Belief..  it's beyond Belief.

Thanks

[Veral42]

also I actually don't know much about demons and would like to hear
your stories about them. please post if you know anything about it.

I've summoned a few demons, and have reliable info on them, but this is not a thread about that, PM me for info.

thank you. what I said was made up I just wanted to see
how all of you would react. it's fun for me to ask absurd questions and get anwsers to analyze your behaviors.

There are two possibilities:
1. This thread was a joke - I think that some moderator should ban you. Analyzing behaviors? People are like a tools for you then...
2. You really were recruited - you will become a tool of some entity - have fun!

Heh... as someone who analyzes things to discover their purpace I find number one both ignorant and amusing

[Rydel]

I think someone takes rpgs a little to seriously.