Unusual Outcomes???

[Saints]

I would like to know more about magic. So I've been reading a lot.  I have noticed that a few heavy magicians seem die young and I was wondering why their magic didn't help heal them (e.g., Franz Bardon, Dion Fortune, Benjamin Rowe).  I keep my eye open but its interesting that they died so young.  Any thougths?

[El-Bortukali]

great men always die young =]

[bloodsong]

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

[Saints]

Good point...but fringe activities always seem to get safer over time (i.e., fewer parachute failures; fewer incidents of condom failure; gun power that doesn't prematurely blow-up; fewer accidents at X-games, etc.) so I would expect magical workings would get safer also. Incursions into metaphysical are realms seem to becomming more frequent (see other sections of this site) so better observations and documentation and sharing information should reduce some of the negative outcomes. I hope it does!  Also, I think Crowley died relatively young. If you look at Rabbi Akiva (kabbalist aka magician) and his band of 24K students it's anouther example of a big time (huge!) practitioner who couldn't save himself or his students (also, I've read that Rabbi Akiva was Jesus teacher and look what happen there).  So more effective research is needed.  Better observations, metaphysical interations and sharing of information can only help.

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

[El-Bortukali]

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

I'm talking about great Men.
Alexander The Great,Jesus Christ,Bonaparte,Chopin,Mozart,James dean etc>_>

[bloodsong]

First off, Aliester Crowley, Born 12 Oct. 1875 Died, 1 Dec 1947.  Three quarters of a century of life, give or take, not exactly, as I said, a spring chicken.

As for Great Men, that term is largely up to personal definition, and yours and mine may not coincide, so let's avoid that argument, shall we.

As far as better research into the occult realms goes, I think all who travel the path for a length of time could agree that the obstacles met are personal and really not pertaining 100% to what anyone else will encounter.  For instance, I have evoked over fifty times, documented in my diaries, a few undocumented, and never had any problems with shadow people, lingering influences, obsessions/possessions, etc. that I could not handle on my own in the matter of a few hours work.  Compare that to the numerous posts on this forum from people in just such circumstances.  

I use this as an example as I figure that is largely what you mean by "dangers of the occult path".  All other dangers, really, would be encountered equally on any "mundane" path.

So the question then becomes, is the path really dangerous to all who tread, or just those who don't read the instruction manual first?

Bloodsong

[Saints]

James Dean...nice car, so-so driver...but..ok..
Do you have any suggestions on a healing spell.  I have a family member who got hit by a car while she was walking in the cross-walk on the street.  Her head hit the curb and she's been in a coma for two months. Her skull was cracked multiple places with severe brain damage.  Presently, she has only minor physical reactions to stimuli, puples are reactive to light, she has minor seziures, and she occasionally crys.  She doesn't communicate, doesn't talk, won't wake up.  The family is at wits ends. Oddly, no other parts of her body was damaged.  The lady who hit her said she didn't see her.  It was around noon time.  Any leads you could offer I would appreciate it. Thanks

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

I'm talking about great Men.
Alexander The Great,Jesus Christ,Bonaparte,Chopin,Mozart,James dean etc>_>

[bloodsong]

Minor stuff, I am all there, something of this magnitude, I am at a loss.

Bloodsong

[Saints]

Ok..understood...thanks for the thought!

Minor stuff, I am all there, something of this magnitude, I am at a loss.

Bloodsong