What can magic (magick?) actually do.

[nozondeiru]

Honestly.  It seems to be entirely inefficacious.  My sincerest and most devoutly wished desires seem not to be able to be hypostatized with magic.  For example, I want to improve my appearance immensely, but can magic do jack excrement to effect any changes with regards to that?  No.  A resounding and painful no.

Can it do... anything?  Anything that hypnosis can't do?  The effects seem all to be exclusively immanent (existing entirely within the mind).

Why does any of you bother with magic anymore?  Surely all of you have discovered by now after a few attempts at realizing your desires that magic won't do anything for you, so why do you still try?  (I am sorry if this sounds inflammatory or rude.  I don't mean to sound that way.)

Unless any of you does happen to know a means by which I can improve my appearance...  Some say that one's physical form is a projection of like an energy blueprint in a higher realm of reality.  Can anything be done to change that...?  'Cause I'd like ta'.   

[AndrewTheSinger]

There was this girl that I've know who always been chubby, and one day she said she was going to make a 'sympathy' (aka spell) to get thinner. I thought it was just a waste of time, maybe she should exercise or start a diet, but I didn't tell her that. Sympathies are very common here, girls use them to get a boyfriend, women use them to attract wealth, luck, happiness. Well, one week later I saw her and couldn't believe my eyes, unless she put a spell in my eyes lol she seemed to have lost over 20 pounds (10kg) in 7 days. It was unbelievable to me, I don't know how much weight a person can lose in seven days on a diet and exercise, but I'm sure she did neither.
I can discard liposuction too because at that time we didn't even hear about it, and she was 15.

I believe it can work, but how effective it will be will depend on your trust and constancy.

[nozondeiru]

I appreciate you sharing your story with me, but, the results that this girl got, supposing that this story is even true, could certainly be accounted for by the placebo effect.  One needn't suppose anything remotely magical to have occurred in trying to arrive at an explanation of this event.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Could be, whatever she did, it worked.

[Mydral]

Change your appearance... here is some magick:

Go to the Gym, or do weights at home. Run every day if your out of shape weight wise (weights don't really work agains that too well). Dress nice (cloths will make you feel better about yourself... yes its a very shallow world out there), be confident!! Confidence is very important..... or else you won't have the motivation to do anything.

[James S]

We all have unlimited creative potential. We can all "miraculously" manifest the seemingly impossible. Magic is just one discipline through which people learn to unlock their potential.

The best description of magic / witchcraft I ever read was that it is a set of routines and rituals using symbolic objects that gives the left  "logical" side of the brain something tangible to focus on leaving the right "creative" side of the brain free to work its miracles with the intangible.

Once you understand this you can understand that with a bit of faith and learning be positive in the way we think and make a habit of focussing our thoughts on what we DO want instead of what we DON'T want, we can go from being "less than" unaware "sheeple" who just do what they're told to being masters of our own destinies and co-creators of our world.

Magic is a preferred method of manifesting for some, but it's really an intermediate step that's not necessary once you understand exactly how powerful a creator you really are and always have been.

Blessings,
James

[nozondeiru]

Change your appearance... here is some magick:

Go to the Gym, or do weights at home. Run every day if your out of shape weight wise (weights don't really work agains that too well). Dress nice (cloths will make you feel better about yourself... yes its a very shallow world out there), be confident!! Confidence is very important..... or else you won't have the motivation to do anything.

Isn't this in essence an admission that magic does not and can not do anything at all to bring about any real and tangible changes in the world around us?  If so, why are you even on these fora?  (Again, I am not trying to antagonize anyone.  I am just curious)

I am not not physically fit, and I dress as nicely as I can.  I don't think there are any issues there.  My problem is one of bone structure and that is simply not something that can be fixed (unless one has enough money to get plastic surgery - and even then the results are usually mixed - and unless magic does in fact work and can effect a change in my appearance)

[nozondeiru]

We all have unlimited creative potential. We can all "miraculously" manifest the seemingly impossible. Magic is just one discipline through which people learn to unlock their potential.

The best description of magic / witchcraft I ever read was that it is a set of routines and rituals using symbolic objects that gives the left  "logical" side of the brain something tangible to focus on leaving the right "creative" side of the brain free to work its miracles with the intangible.

Once you understand this you can understand that with a bit of faith and learning be positive in the way we think and make a habit of focussing our thoughts on what we DO want instead of what we DON'T want, we can go from being "less than" unaware "sheeple" who just do what they're told to being masters of our own destinies and co-creators of our world.

Magic is a preferred method of manifesting for some, but it's really an intermediate step that's not necessary once you understand exactly how powerful a creator you really are and always have been.

Blessings,
James

Once again I find descriptions of magic and what it can actually do to be couched in ambiguous language and tergiversation.  Can magic actually manifest palpable changes in the physical world which contemporary science should be unable to explain?  You seem to be describing something like Cognitive Behavioural Therapy or Hypnosis, which aren't truly magical things at all.  When I hear the word magic, I think of a force which can alter reality in ways that can not be rationally and scientifically explained.  That doesn't seem to be what you people are talking about.

Has any of you ever actually achieved anything with magic?  I should be very interested to know.

[lily moonsong]

There was this guy in highschool who i was obsessed with and followed him around for 1.5 years.  He told me he didn't want me, because I was 14, and he was 18, and he didn't wanna go to jail.  I called him like 10 times daily, and he hung up the phone on me, or told his mom to say he wasn't there.  Soon, he foudn a girlfriend.  She threatened to fight me.  But she didn't because she knew she would win and look like a jackass because I'm soo pathetic and not worth the fight.  Well what I'm trying to say is... the guy couldn't give a rat's tail about me or anything to do with me.  Since I saw spirits when I was a child, and felt unexplainable forces when I was a child...I believed in magick.  So I decided to look on the internet to do a spell.  I did a spell to break them up.

He called me the next day at the same time I did the spell.  He told me he and her were no longer dating. 

The next day, I did a love spell. 
He called me the day after that and said he just wanted to talk to me.  He invited me to meet him at the football game where we hung out, and he hugged me in front of her.  He then told me he would call me the next day and pick me up from my house....

I didn't do anything physical to cuase this... I didn't have to play any mind games or flirt or dress sexy... I just did the magic,.. and it gave me what I wanted.

[Mydral]

Isn't this in essence an admission that magic does not and can not do anything at all to bring about any real and tangible changes in the world around us?  If so, why are you even on these fora?  (Again, I am not trying to antagonize anyone.  I am just curious)

Because everything related to Meditation, Astral Travelling, Paranormal things, Metaphysics, etc. has nothing to do with magick 

[MisterJingo]

From what I've read into this subject, magic is simply a way to effect change in the physical through natural channels. Some will claim to manifest things instantly etc – but I haven't actually seen anything like this which has been true. A very basic spell is the £5 trick where you repeat the spell daily, and you will receive back the £5 through natural means (such as a tax rebate for 5, refund for 5 etc).
All magic seems to have its basis in the astral. The ceremonies, the words, the props (daggers/alters) are all there to create a specific mindset based upon the intention of the spell. The mind does all the work. The theory behind this is that the astral follows the physical, but the physical is also affected by the astral (over a much longer time period). So creating the intention in the astral (creative visualisation) will, over time, see the physical altered accordingly.
I'm open minded on this issue. I in no way believe the instant magic/teleportation etc, but I can be open to the possibility of the mind effecting change over time through intention. Other ceremonies I read up on concerned things like invisibility. This sounds outrageous at first, but the invisibility mentioned was actually getting people not to notice you rather than you actually vanishing. Such things are easily doable through the use of hypnosis, but this is on an individual, not that individual affecting others. I guess a possibility for such things can be found in the complex nature of suggestion through body language. Perhaps it is possible to build up an intention which reflects in body language and makes you 'less noticeable' to others. This is the only way I can see such things working.

[lily moonsong]

most of our spiritual energy is used up to do normal daily activities.. like "occupying this earthly body.. keeping it healthy... moving about"

if you harness this energy into a ball.. it can have an actual physical mass, and do noticeable changes.  examples are seen in martial arts.. they call it focusing their chi... but they are not focusing all of it, or else they would pass out... they merely focus some of it.. and it makes that particular area of their body more massive and have more momenta.  Some martial artists have been able to focus their chi to people standing feet away and cause them to stumble and fall down...

[bloodsong]

Has any of you ever actually achieved anything with magic?  I should be very interested to know.

I have used the mind play that is the balancing effects of ceremonial magick to effectively manage and deal with clinical depression without medications since I was 16.  That was a decade ago, and from a depression deep enough that I had tried mutilation, and suicide, just to feel anything.  Now, I still struggle against the same forces, but by first using magick to externalize them as "demons", then subjugating them and integrating them into my psyche, I have lessened the struggle.

All of what I did was what commonly falls into the arena of "Hermetics".  If you are looking for something to make you look better, look inside, not out.  Until you really have the drive, you will not effect the change.  All changes magick brings, it brings about naturally, as magick is a natural science/art.  Your appearance is never going to change "instantly" like you see from Hollywood.  It will take time. 

Bloodsong

[lily moonsong]

Good idea with the balance thing.  Externalize the depression as a demon and then... eradicate it!  Good idea!!!  I used to do that with the LBRP, but then I stopped b/c I have 3 roomates.  I'm gonna start doing it again, so I can make myself happier.