Discussion of Archangel Michael's answers

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

LOL..ahhhhhh of course, the next to the 3rd..[]

Still don't know what all the densities mean, perhaps, break it down for me.[?]  Gosh, I just know this has been talked about already.[:I]

Sorry, Nay [^]

I think you would know 4th density better as "etheric" [] Hopefully that explains it for you, if not I can go into more detail though other people might be going under "different systems/ideals" than me.

quote: SD I have noticed you seem to have some individuals that work hard to express how they are helping others by warning others that you are a fraud. When you look at this expression does it occur to you that they are saying the creator does not love these poor misguided souls enough to protect them from the " monster " they have labeled you? Are they saying that if not for thier attacks on you and what your trying to do, that you all by yourself, could pervert the human race and that they with thier magic powers and hand made capes and opinions of what is truth are saving the whole human race from you and the readings your doing? Seems to me they are calling the readers of your writings on your meditations simple minded. I would hope instead that they understood that we learn from where we need to learn and are guided to look at what serves us best and that we can learn from you or michael or the fifth grader that smiles and gives us part of thier candy. If what we seek is unconditional love at the end of the day then if we love each other we will allow unconditional acceptance to make the truth of others just fine with out need to attack or defend. I would suggest that in the same way you can not reason with a chemical in a drug addict you can not reason with fear energy and its compulsion to attack and defend it comings and its goings. Like you those that need to reach out to you and what your doing will be pushed to read as you are pushed to write.

Well this is true, but I do feel I am defined by the ones who wish to try to define me. In this sense I do care that when it comes to them saying "this or that is wrong," that understanding be reached.

Looking at it in the context you placed it, it does appear that both sides are being quite egotistical in that view []

[Reality]

You know what, I dont think it matters what Michael really is. Nor that someone else can judge/make assumptions about him, except SD himself. If he's gotten so far that he's able to mediate, and astrally project as he claims he is able to, he can probably also decide what's best for him. Sorry that I'm speaking for you, but I felt this was needed to be said.

What matters is the answers he provides us with. And it's totally up to us how to interpret them. We can take them for the whole truth or for a total lie. You know what, I have a feeling that such beings might actually intentionally provide us with half truths, to stimulate the ones who read them, to think for themselves. ?

~reality

[Reality]

There is something that I'd like to hear about though, SD.

You said you receive your answers through visions right? Can you describe in what way you perceive your visions?

Because a few days ago in my sleep, I had a quiet extraordinary dream/projection/orwhatever it was. I found myself in my room, and suddenly a white spark of light appeared, and it grew almost instantly to a white screen of light at the size of a small home cinema, floating in my room. And in the middle was an even lighter figure that looked like it was a cloaked humanoid. It quickly vanished though, and I started seeing all kinds of images in it, that I dont clearly remember, and not interesting right now to elaborate on.

What do you think about that SD? Do you smell a similarity in the air?

[Mystic Cloud]

The visions I get from time to time are basically
'films' with 'emotions' attached to them. Imo it is the
communication behind language with words that is in a more direct
way.

Hard to explain what these are since they are beyond words.
It is not something that is even close to 'minds eye' or
imagination. It is something more real.

But I'll let SD answer how he experiences 'em []

[Blackstream]

I'm continuing a discussion began in the main thread here (since SD requested it be moved)

quote:Now who's being closed-minded? I suppose if you don't want to hear it one way, you can spend your time looking somewhere else. I can't tell you what reality is, because I have no idea.

I admit, I am a tad bit closeminded about objective vs subjective reality, but that's because I've already held that discussion like 20 times.  Anyways, my point was more like, for some people, the path towards greater awareness is not just a deeply personal thing.  Maybe some aspects are, but some of the more objective things like the existance of aliens and ways to do telekineses aren't so deeply personal, and that's where help from outside sources comes in.  I think that's what most people are doing with Michael.  Admited, some people are asking Michael things on the more personal side, but I see no reason to have to persue personal matters alone if you don't want to.

quote:I don't know what it is that everyone else is supposed to know. If it's about spirituality, then just how does time affect it? What's 20 years in eternity? Again, spirituality is not Calculus. I will, however, concede that it is of value to listen to other people's advice, although with care, as cube pointed out. You also seem to completely miss the notion of the Higher Self.

20 years in eternity?  Nothing obviously.  But we don't live for an eternity do we?  I've only got about 60 years left to go, and 20 years is a pretty big chunk to take out of that.  Once I die, I take my knowledge and experiences with me, if I can't share what I've learned with others.  We as a species do have an eternity so to speak to progress higher if we share and learn from each other.  But if we are born, learn by ourselves, then die, then we'll spend an eternity learning the same things over and over again.

And what does the higher self have to do with anything?

quote:
Maybe you should read through the posts again. For instance:

quote:
Answer: There are always visitations by spirits to this solar system. The Zetas, or greys as most of you know them as, have based thier travel on phasing in and out of astral as physical trave through the stars is impossible. The pole shift and 2012 war are related in that both are going to happen and they won't take place in an instant, events will lead to them

I think I failed to find where Michael is starting a cult, raising emtions, telling people to abandon their possessions, or even prepare for a fight. How is this in any negative?  Especically if what he is saying is true?  The only way I can see this is if you think that the shift and war isn't happening, but there's no proof of this either way.

Also, just because it's already been said there is another reason for feeling tired doesn't mean that is the fact. Consider the source:

quote:
Has there been any other expanation offered about the draining than that offered by the "angel"?

The fact that SD says the same thing?  Only SD really knows what's going on... I'd tend to believe the tornado thing, but you'd really have to be in SDs shoes to really know what was going on.

quote:
I wouldn't even be replying if you weren't so adamant about Michael not being a negative entity.

Because obviously both of us believe the opposite thing about Michael


The fact of the matter is, the thing it comes down to is, the only thing we have to go off of is the drained feeling that SD feels after projecting.

Two questions though.

1) Why does Michael only come to him when he has a directly line to mars, if he's just a negative entity?  I'd have picked a tree or something so I could get SD talking to me more than once every 3 or 4 days.

2) This isn't really a question.  What it really boils down to is that the only way for us to know what Michael really is, is to talk to him ourselves.  Failing that, just take the meditations that SD does with a grain of salt, but keep them in mind and examine them (i.e., use critical thinking, don't just blindly accept them).  Which SD, Michael, and you have all said (and why would a negative entiy say to use critical thinking on his questions rather than blindly accept them?)

[Mystic Cloud]

Some things to consider:

A while ago a relative to me died, so I made a
journey to her to see if she was alright and needed an escort.

When I got into contact of her I was really amazed and anxious
about the strongness of the field she was emitting. It literally
felt like I was being torn into different directions at the sametime.
Though I hadn't done alot of practices lately and wasn't that high
on average vibration, but the effects would still probably have
been very strong.

I got so anxious about this feeling that I wanted to quit it as
soon as I could. I stayed there for a while. Then I left and came
back. I felt tired afterwards. If I would have stayed for a long
time I would have probably gotten drained by the pressure and effort.

Today I went to buy crystals that resonated with my being.
I bought 7 of them and it was very demanding on my energy to
pick out the ones that resonated the most with my being.
After 3-4 crystals I got anxious and felt drained and my mind
was all confused and spinning.

So if something drains you of energy, don't think immediately
that it is a neg. Since that can be used by a REAL neg to just manipulate you further into its own benefits [}:)]

Also most negs(that I have stumbled upon) tend to emit a negative aura that is comparable to a very bad stench. If you have even the slightest psychic posibilities then you can detect this.

Of course I think that there are 'higher hierarchy' negs that
really are intelligent and have a wide energy knowledge.
Which can be used to trick people.

The safest thing is always to just trust yourself, and listen to yourself and your higher self. No one else matters but YOURSELF.
You can get answers from outside, but they don't mean anything unless
you already have pieces of them inside yourself. Outside sources
are mostly used to verify inner sources.

Too many people go along the religions with blind faith and
little practical experience and imo it is just stupid, since
many can use that for manipulation very easily.

With the Michael answers some of them have been very
perfectly tailored to fit my own Being at a deeper level,
and now I do _NOT_ mean the words that SD typed but something
much deeper than even language itself. This transmission
again is something that no one else but me can read and grasp.

For some others again they might experience that the answers are
just pure crap and nothing sounds truthful in them. Nothing wrong with this in my opinion. It is still ONLY your own opinion, maybe
many others too. But still that does NOT mean that it is the truth
for everyone, or the reality for everyone. We all live in our
own worlds and our own lives. Everything we experience are filtered
through our own consciousness(s). One might think we do not
even exist at all when the other may think that we live forever.

Step out of your egos and open your eyes.
Nothing has any "sense" in it anyway in the end, so enjoy
while you can... [}:)][]

Lite the sprite commercial said:
 "Trust your instincts, be yourself!"

'nuff said

[Zangatese]

Im a little late on this topic and have only recently read all the mediations. Only one thing pops to mind- which is why the HELL someone hasnt already tried THIS:

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I have looked extensivly for that ritual you described. Unfortunatly I only find shams and typical internet BS. Is there any other way of validing him?
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Answer: this ritual being described here is very complex. More so than it will seem at first.

You need a ritual dagger. Take the dagger and face south. Draw a circle in the air, as perfect as you can get it, and then draw the pentagram in the circle starting from the left-up point and going in the direction of the point directly right of the left most top point, and continueing in that pattern. This circle needs to be low to the ground and only natural ground like dirt will do.

Face east, and the circle now becomes a line, and you draw a circle around the line. Do another pentagram, this one starting from bottom left point, then moving to top right point, and continuing.

Do the circle again, this one on the ground aligned with the other two. The top point should point east. The point you start is the top, and the point you go to next will be the bottom right. Stab the middle of the circle and vibrate with your soul: Al-Leh (Metatron in some kind of language) Make sure that you are standing in the circle when you do this. The feelings you project through the blade MUST be strong while you do this ritual please note.

Please note that it helps immensely if you vibrate the following for each point of the pentagram: Top is "spirit"(so whenever you reach this point you vibrate "spirit",) Top left is Fire, top right is air, bottom left is Earth, bottom right is water.

Id be interested to know if the person who got this answer actually tried this..

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Zangatese

Im a little late on this topic and have only recently read all the mediations. Only one thing pops to mind- which is why the HELL someone hasnt already tried THIS:

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I have looked extensivly for that ritual you described. Unfortunatly I only find shams and typical internet BS. Is there any other way of validing him?
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Answer: this ritual being described here is very complex. More so than it will seem at first.

You need a ritual dagger. Take the dagger and face south. Draw a circle in the air, as perfect as you can get it, and then draw the pentagram in the circle starting from the left-up point and going in the direction of the point directly right of the left most top point, and continueing in that pattern. This circle needs to be low to the ground and only natural ground like dirt will do.

Face east, and the circle now becomes a line, and you draw a circle around the line. Do another pentagram, this one starting from bottom left point, then moving to top right point, and continuing.

Do the circle again, this one on the ground aligned with the other two. The top point should point east. The point you start is the top, and the point you go to next will be the bottom right. Stab the middle of the circle and vibrate with your soul: Al-Leh (Metatron in some kind of language) Make sure that you are standing in the circle when you do this. The feelings you project through the blade MUST be strong while you do this ritual please note.

Please note that it helps immensely if you vibrate the following for each point of the pentagram: Top is "spirit"(so whenever you reach this point you vibrate "spirit",) Top left is Fire, top right is air, bottom left is Earth, bottom right is water.

Id be interested to know if the person who got this answer actually tried this..

Micheal never told me what happens, so I myself am very intersted in this as well.

[LordoftheBunnies]

I've been trying a similar ritual, except that this one is for Gabriel and faces different dirrections.  Although it seems simple, its actually more difficult than the Lesser Banishing Ritual.  I have yet to get it just right, but I'll post my experiences when I do.

[SpectralDragon]

It seems I have been put under the looking glass quite a bit lately, no small wonder. There can't be proof I can give to prove that this is the real thing. The only thing you can really go on is heresay.

I think that after this week I am going to take a small break from this. I have other things I have to work on anyway.

[PuffAddr]

There is an old saying "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".

I think many people do not understand the hours of time and the intense mental effort required to do this.  Take a vacation [8D] and just enjoy the heck out of everything!

[James S]

"all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".
Now THOSE are some of the most enlightened words I've seen in this forum in a while!

Something I recently read in a book on psychic development that I think should really be taken to heart:

First rule of psychic development: have fun!

Last rule of psychic development: have fun!

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by James S

"all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy".
Now THOSE are some of the most enlightened words I've seen in this forum in a while!

Something I recently read in a book on psychic development that I think should really be taken to heart:

First rule of psychic development: have fun!

Last rule of psychic development: have fun!

That is soooo true. You have to enjoy this kind of stuff to get the most of it.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

It seems I have been put under the looking glass quite a bit lately, no small wonder. There can't be proof I can give to prove that this is the real thing. The only thing you can really go on is heresay.

I think that after this week I am going to take a small break from this. I have other things I have to work on anyway.

Was a few weeks ago going to propose a vacation from this,
but then I figured that it is your own personal matter []

[SpectralDragon]

If you want to know why I don't take this to my site, it's quite simple. unlike you, I have a sense of pride. I will finish what I started.

Now go ahead and be a big hypocrit and call me a liar and idiot again. I am getting tired of you Nay, you don't listen, you said that I enjoyed my past of getting abused and going through shamanic initiation, and you continually bash my abilities.

can you tell I am ticked? shaken up? DOES THIS MAKE YOU HAPPY?

[Nay]

Please stop putting words in my mouth..

And why in the world can you not continue it over there?  Just add your website link to the bottom of your threads..I'll be happy to do it for you..

I'm sure Micheal can find you on either site..right?

Nay

[Nay]

Well, frankly it is surprising and confusing..  I think ya'll just like attention.  

You guys have done nothing but complain about how things are run here, and how people question things, if that is the case, then....well???

*walks off confused*

Nay

Edit:  

quote:I am getting tired of you Nay, you don't listen, you said that I enjoyed my past of getting abused and going through shamanic initiation, and you continually bash my abilities.

I feel that this needs to be brought to the true light.  If you remember I was being attacked by four people on messenger..not good odds, but I digress, I was looking at what one of the other guys were typing not you, Jason..not everyone hangs on your every word.. so I was replying to the OTHER guy, not your abuse..and just like you to bring that up again..*sigh*  Why in the world would I enjoy someone getting abused, when myself went through abuse? I wouldn't period.  And I thought we hashed this one out already and found that to be the case?  Your manipulation of the truth is getting tiresome.  I just wanted to set the record straight that I'm not THAT evil..[^]

Ok..Runlola..insert your oneliner here..[]

[Nay]

I believe it is the content, not the amount that matters..[^]

Nay

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Well, frankly it is surprising and confusing..  I think ya'll just like attention.  

When I look at the big picture I do not see nor feel anyone
wanting unnecessary attention. Adding personal emotions to
matters just clouds it up into an emotional-based maya. Far
from the important aspects of the whole issue.

quote:
You guys have done nothing but complain about how things are run here, and how people question things, if that is the case, then....well??

There is ALWAYS someone who complains. This happens especially with
people in 'power'. From personal experience I may say that it usual
makes only matters worse to try to 'convince' the attacker that
your own viewpoint is right. It is usually also energy draining.


Besides your own viewpoint is only your own viewpoint based on your
own life-experience. So why try to convince someone else that your
dream is the 'right' one?

Anyway this is still a thread for discussing the answers of Michael
and the meditation and not for personal flaming. In my opinion the
flaming or arguing can be done through PM or other chats.

[Nay]

Mystic Cloud.. You are quite right and believe me it has been done in PM's..[]

But I still do not understand why keep it here?...Am I the only one who doesn't get it?  If I had my own website, I would be spending my time there, wouldn't you?

It is not like we would keep people from going there and enjoying the wisdom of Micheal.  It's obviously been talked about enough to know Jason has his own website, which is great..so why not take advantage of that?

Nay

[LordoftheBunnies]

There were some things said on this thread (and the Fictional worlds thread), that I felt I needed to address.

quote:is Spectraldragon really projecting, staying awake & typing whilst mediating an arch-angel ?!!

Spectral is not the only person I have heard of who talks about maintaining dual awareness on the astralplane and the physical plane.  There are some magicians and mystics who also possess this ability.  At times when doing the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, I myself have gotten impressions from the archangels which may have indeed been them trying to impart advice to me.  

For several years I heavily doubted Spectral's skill, partly due to my religious upbringing, but after he continually kept proving things to me I had to admit that something was going on.  Back when I first met him, I tested him out by having him watch at what I was doing through the astral while I stood at the other end of a house, focusing on my aura.  When he came back, he hold me that he saw my aura gather in close then stream upward, forming into a pillar that went upward, which was exactly what I had done.  Another time I was forming thoughtforms, and without any tips he saw me form a thoughtform that looked like one of those monsters from the movie Critters.  He saw it fly around the room and land on his shoulder.  Near the end, I closed my eyes, and visualized a ball with spikes forming in midair, which he also described in acute detail.  There were several other instances when he was able to observe the things in my room. Other times he surprised people at work, at one point he observed a woman coming in and taking off her coat although in a back room, much to the surprise of a friend of ours.

Also, I was present to observe some of the horrible events that lead up to his gaining skill at astral projection, and although inadvertant, it was easy to see how such experiences might force him to develop dual awareness.  In many ways it was more of a two-edged sword than anything.  I wont go into the specifics of what happened, as that is personal information, but needless to say it was far more intense "training" than what most people probably undertake in order to project.

Along with several other memberson here, I am really quite indebted to Spectral. Quite frankly, other than several things he has verified for me, I have seen precious little evidence for the astral in most posts here.  Furthermore, I might still be trapped in the Jehovahs Witness sect were it not for his help, something for which I am eternally gratefull.  

quote:Or, is he merely (I'm guessing here) a teenage American male, sitting at his computer, getting kicks from all the interaction on the Astralpulse ?!

I can understand why it would seem this way, but this is simply not the case.  First of all, Spectral is not a teenager.  I have been with spectral during many of these mediations, and it was easy to see that he was not simply doing this for kicks, and was concerned about whether or not it would serve to help others.  He did indeed become quite physically tired after some of his mediations.  I could also tell that he did not particularily enjoy doing it, but rather felt that he had too.  It is often not easy to get an accurate picture of someone's inner self and motives over the internet, seeing them in person is far different.  I have known him for over five years now, and now him better than just about anyone.  You may not believe me, but I will state once again that he is not trying to fool anyone.  The only real criticism I have of Spectral, is that he should have done this later after he had gotten more skill at writing and interpreting what Michael told him.

Nay, you keep saying that Spectral should take this (along with the fictional worlds topic) over to his own site where everyone will believe him.  There is actually not that much discussion of these two topics going on at Spectral's site, and as to whether most of the members believe it or not, I don't know, as we haven't really asked them.  The members aren't all people below the age of 19 either, some are much older than Spectral.  I myself am one year older than Spectral, and I am not his "follower" either, as I aim to be better than him one day. []

Also, one of the reasons Spectral is doing this here is because he does not want people swamping the website me and him created.  It is quite nice and peaceful right now, and we don't want it being swamped.  Oftentimes, forums begin to degrade in quality the more people there are posting on them.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Mystic Cloud.. You are quite right and believe me it has been done in PM's..[]

So why not continue with it?

quote:
But I still do not understand why keep it here?...Am I the only one who doesn't get it?  If I had my own website, I would be spending my time there, wouldn't you?

It is not like we would keep people from going there and enjoying the wisdom of Micheal.  It's obviously been talked about enough to know Jason has his own website, which is great..so why not take advantage of that?

Probably has not occurred to you that you reach more people here
than on the small grouped www site. Which means more feedback
on the whole issue etc.

Regarding information/meditation/channelings I hold Frank's post in
the Fictional worlds thread VERY high and in my opinion so should
everyone else too. It is repeated over and over from different
sources to not trust spirits but trust yourself only.

As Robert Bruce wrote:

"The fact is that one does not need spirits for psychic and spiritual advancement. It's far preferable to get in touch with one's own inner self, to develop contact with one's higher self, rather than to seek the help of unknown spirit beings. One should not look outside oneself for spiritual knowledge and development. As psychic development is a side effect of spiritual development, one best not sought for its own sake, it's unwise to skip the long-term application of self-discipline necessary for true spiritual and psychic development to unfold."

"Psychic abilities hold glamor, such that if sought for their own sake, they can greatly distract one from spiritual progress. Instead of stripping away inner barriers between one's inner and highest self, new barriers are created and existing ones reinforced."

I'm pretty sure most talented psychics know this fact already. A
well known kundalinist named Sri Swami Sivananda wrote almost
exactly like Robert Bruce that Psychic skills is the _SIDE EFFECT_
of spiritual development and not the other way around. This
is in many cases very unfortunate.

I myself cannot stress the importance of making a good contact
with your Higher Self. In it you will find all the answers to
all your questions.

[Nay]

Perhaps you mean WHY continue with it?

I don't know..been asking myself that question for some time now..

quote:Probably has not occurred to you that you reach more people here
than on the small grouped www site. Which means more feedback
on the whole issue etc.

But the people already know of his threads here, plus it seems they know of his site there..so..I'm thinking they can put two and two together.  I have no problem directing people to his site..non what so ever.

Nay

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Perhaps you mean WHY continue with it?

I don't know..been asking myself that question for some time now..

quote:Probably has not occurred to you that you reach more people here
than on the small grouped www site. Which means more feedback
on the whole issue etc.

But the people already know of his threads here, plus it seems they know of his site there..so..I'm thinking they can put two and two together.  I have no problem directing people to his site..non what so ever.

Nay

It is being continued here Nay, but hopefully without the fighting that just keeps going and going and going and going and.......

[Nay]

See that was more than a three lines, and it wasn't deleted.

Stopping it..no.. wondering why it isn't on his own website, yes.

Nay