Disturbing thoughts invading my imagination....

[JaxV]

Hi all.

Firstly, I dont believe these thoughts come from any external force, or some evil presence, or anything like that. I believe them to be from my own mind.

Often, when I am in bed, I will let my mind wander to wherever it wants to go as this helps me drop off to sleep and enables some very vivid dreaming. I usually visualise upcoming events, picture them having a positive outcome. But always, and for a very long time now, as I start to drop off, these visualisations take a disturbing turn. Usually involving death or abuse of a loved one. I suddenly realise where my thoughts have taken me and shake myself out of it, but it leaves me worried and scared.

Is this normal? Is there something I can do to stop this happening?

I am a huge believer in the power of positive visualisation and have used it to great success many times, so I worry that these negative thoughts could have the same result in coming to be.

[astralmugee]

its natrual. I visualize alot during the day, often they will go from good thoughts to harming someone, or protecting myself from a harmfull person etc.

[JaxV]

Thank you for the reply, i'm glad to hear you say its natural! I guess I have had too much time to think lately lol

[Stookie]

It's good practice to not react to them as they show up. Just a curious "huh, that sucks..." with no emotion behind it and let it go. The more you get used to doing this, the less they'll show up. Don't give them the energy they want.

[Tiny]

I dont believe these thoughts come from any external force, or some evil presence, or anything like that.

I've had the same happening to me since early years in my life and I found out that it is indeed an external force, an evil one.

Just like you describe, in bed before sleeping, the imagination-scape of mine was filled with the most disturbing and evil content.
And yet earlier as a kid it's attacks on me were so great that one time, when it had hold of me, it tried to make me actually comit very disturbing things.
Later in my life when it still had influence, it continued on the thought level, I had urges following me everywhere i went such as: pushing kids off edges etc.

But since I've discovered what evil is and exposed it for myself, it has never come back, because Darkness is basically a collective of cowards running this world, but who can not truely contend with their counterpart, the true Light.

The biblical discription fits suprisingly well, the dark force that was influencing me, tried hard in convincing me that being evil is pleasure, fun and fulfillment.
It is very real that there's a path to evil at which at some point, there is no return and one find's self in a complete new realm of values and goals. It feels much like a rebirth, as George Senior Bush once pointed out so nicely and I was one-leg in before I pulled myself out.


Let me just tell you this,

don't be fooled by psychology and psychologists who have no understanding whatsoever of what's really going on, assuming these things are based on neurological disorders.

[Xanth]

It's good practice to not react to them as they show up. Just a curious "huh, that sucks..." with no emotion behind it and let it go. The more you get used to doing this, the less they'll show up. Don't give them the energy they want.

I'll quote this for truth. 

[Zino]

Yeah thoughts like this happen to me too sometimes...I just think "Shutup" and change the subject in my mind

[kurtykurt42]

I too have had some very gruesome dreams lately, killing and torturing people that i love. Although, I think it may have to do with movies or tv shows i watch.

Yeah thoughts like this happen to me too sometimes...I just think "Shutup" and change the subject in my mind

Its difficult to shrug off a dream when it's happening. I guess it's more of a nightmare really. I like to wonder why i had the dream and then usually i will remember a movie scene or tv show where the same thing happened and then i am fine. Hope this helps.

[newmethod]

Whether from an external force or of internal origin it may be helpful in practicing protective measures such as white light cocoons etc until your energy is filled with enough presence and pure intention so that it is easier to let go of the fear...

If you can't do this in your dream then do it when you are awake/before you sleep.. you will feel it and it will help you settle...

Identifying negative thoughts as unwanted is essential..and the first step..

Replacing them or as Stookie suggested observing and letting them go is vital.. there is no use giving them energy.. understanding what triggered the thought is useful.. but remember.. you are not your mind.. and it does not control you..

Awareness and understanding allows for choice

[Slix]

i have these kind of thoughts often, although i never think of my family like this. i play a lot of violent video games and watch a lot of action/horror movies so i know where the thoughts get their, for lack of a better term, 'good material' from. although i have these kind thoughts it's more like a "i wonder what would it would look like if i took a chainsaw to that guy's face" feeling, not an "omg, i have to take a chainsaw to that guys face" feeling so i just shrug it off as an overactive imagination that enjoys it's action and horror. also when it comes to right down to it i have a strong will to do the right thing and nothing (or very little) for negative reasons, so i don't think i would be in any situation where i would consider such an act, unless it was the lesser of two evils and i have absolutely no 3rd choice.

i doubt you'll ever completely relieve yourself of all disturbing thoughts, even if there was some negative entity making you think like that, it's only natural that it could happen if you let your mind wander. you're only human, expect human flaws.

[mad_head]

Hi man,

When I was younger I used to fantasize about violent stuff all the time and I am (have always been) the most gentle soul you will meet.

You will find the two most common things that people fantasize about are procreation and causing harm to others (for men anyway, who knows what women think about!). I guess those things are rooted deep in our sub consious.

As Dizzy Rascal puts it:

All I care about is sex and violence

[CFTraveler]

I agree that just 'pushing bad thoughts away' isn't going to make them go away, because the more you resist them the more 'real' they become.
I know you don't believe in 'external forces', but when someone rejects a part of themselves (like another poster said, everyone has them) they project them outwards (and find other people to behave like that part of themselves that they do not approve of), or stuff them into your subconscious, where they come back in the form you are experiencing (these thoughts who seem to have a mind of their own) or in other ways, such as addictions or other types of things.
So what to do?  Like Kurt said, you should analyze them, see how they correlate to what's happening in your life, and then 'let them go', not with fear or disgust, but because these thoughts are not welcome.  This is different than pretending they don't exist or that you're not their author.
Who knows, these things may lead you to find out things about yourself that may be helpful in your life.
ps. Jax, these thoughts may be coming from fear, because the mind doesn't like to be surprised.  Does this make sense to you?

[CFTraveler]

You will find the two most common things that people fantasize about are procreation and causing harm to others (for men anyway, who knows what women think about!). I guess those things are rooted deep in our sub consious.

Being a woman, I can report that we fantasize about love, sex and money, and if there is any violence, it probably involves revenge.  Of course I can only speak for myself.

[JaxV]

Hi CFTraveller

I think they are a manifestation of fear. In all of these scenarios, I am the person who comes to aid and save the day. I dont have any hero complex or anything, but perhaps I am trying to mentally prepare myself for situations I am fearful of. It does make sense like that, after reading your post, thank you

[nimsay]

I seem to be suffering from exactly this, and it upsets me immensely.

I do not in any shape or form enjoy horror/gore/violence in movies and nightmares stir up a part of me that really shakes me up. From a young age i've been petrified of ghosts and the afterlife... I think movies again was the influence for this, and the body reactions I get are close to panic attacks 

I am a complete baby and lost as how to confront these fears head on...

I reckon once I overcome my fear of everything negative, my life will be so much better! I do reckon I attract alot of negative energy and I am eager to shed this.

[Bedeekin]

Your fear is enhanced by Sleep Paralysis...

You can either shake yourself out of them or turn your attention inwards.

Did you read the link I sent?

[Mini stapler]

called 'intrusive thoughts', they're involuntary & inappropriate usually violent or sexual, hence the name - very common, most of the time little more than an annoyance & you just shut them down as they appear... but they can become obsessive, actually one of the most common ways OCD manifests, & in those cases can cause anxiety & stuff. Just shut them down as & when needed.

[nimsay]

My fear is enhanced by unwanted thoughts, Bedeekin..

I've read it!
But regarding SP I have never been able to regain movement again as by "shaking it off" I just have to fall asleep again to escape the trapped feeling.

[Bedeekin]

Then maybe you should try 'getting away' from your physical.

I use SP as the gateway to experiencing OOBE.

I used to actively separate.. roll out... float out... shoot out... sink out.. etc... but these arent always reliable.

What I sometimes do is concentrate on bringing my hands up in front of my face and rubbing them together. I then blow on them. This creates an amazing tactile sensation, that before you know it, turns into your nonphysical being in a nonphysical location. Don't try to rationalise the movement of your arms... don't try to analyse NOW what I mean by moving them to your face... just do it.

Please please PLEASE try this and also... try not to be defeatist about it. Try not to let it rule you. Be your own master when it comes to SP.

[nimsay]

Ok, i'll try it next time I find myself in that predicament!

I suspect my brain goes into overdrive and attempts every variety of seperation at the same time and gets confused..

But thank you for your tips!   

[Xanth]

Ok, i'll try it next time I find myself in that predicament!

I suspect my brain goes into overdrive and attempts every variety of seperation at the same time and gets confused..

But thank you for your tips!   

YOU are in control of YOUR brain.

It's a cop out saying that your brain is in control... take it back!! 

[Bedeekin]

YOU are in control of YOUR brain.

It's a cop out saying that your brain is in control... take it back!! 

Your brain is an interface... you are the 'user'.