Learning Remote Viewing

[Adrian]

Greetings DJ!

There are many very good resources on the Internet on the general subject of remote viewing, however, most of these relate to a particular type called Scientific Remote Viewing (SRV).

Personally I think RV is an interesting subject, but one which can be improved upon vastly in the context of more recent knowledge, and in particular the work of Robert Bruce. SRV mostly originates from the "cold war" espionage days. Here is a website:

http://www.farsight.org

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Terri]

Hello DJ ...

(IMO/E Adrian, RV does not need improving, but general info on the subject does. By your statement your invalidating (making little of) near 30 years of scientific research (verified validated) and hard work by dozens of skilled, brilliant folks.)

Robert doesn't know anything about RV to my knowledge, he stumbled on something he called/named/labeled remote eye perception, an impressive personal skill IMO, he considered this close to RV perhaps (he didn't quite understand/comprehend what RV was at that time), and or but that (remote eye perception) is quite another ball game altogether.

quote unquote Remote Viewing is not visual.
You must be taught or trained,
it is not a natural occurance.

I would recommend the HRVG currently.
(http://www.hrvg.org)
They teach their version, their "method"  via the net, and free.
I don't back or support them as such, but they (seem to) stay on the straight and narrow i.e. they produce sessions (hits), or their trained viewers do..

Read all McMoneagles books, Skip Atwater has one out now also.
These are the legit folks.
Ingo(Swann) has some massive site also, lots of data (the acknowledged father of RV).

IMO stay away from the glitz and glamour hype/sites, Dames , Moorehouse, O'Donell, Carr, Brown/farsight, SRV, TRV etc etc etc blah blah blah.. it's goof ball stuff, it's distortions I guess..

But to each his own adventure.

Happy trails..

Terri,
 old school,
 trained in ERV by one in the old US military unit,
 the real stuff by the real thing..

[Galgorth]

Check out this site about Coordinate Remote Viewing(CRV). They even have the government published guide on the levels of skill and how to do it.

http://www.stargate.net-hed.co.uk/

[darrenbeck]

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[Terri]

Hiya... for most of us, the Irish at least,we just chalk it up to magic.. Joe's a Scott


(RV has been thougtandthoughtand thought and thought/talked/discussed/tested on and about forever it seems.. it works, anymore is trying to reinvent the wheel IMO)
 Terri

Hello Teri
I think what adrian meant was that the knowledge about how RV works
could be be improved by the information Robert has gathered in various other areas. I have read a number of books on Remote Viewing
which offer a idea as to how they believe it works, after reading astral dynamics i did actually think that it would be beneficial for some of the authors to read Roberts work. In one of the chapters of Astral Dynamics it describes something which flows throughout the universe and is constantly around you. This contains information
on everything. Maybe this is what McMoneagle meant when he described in Mind Trek that it was like connecting to an information source which he searched using various criteria.


Darren Beck



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[Adrian]

Greetings Everyone!

Aside from the fact that it is a very interesting subject, I don't profess to know alot about RV as yet.

But many of the comments being made here surprise me. For starters, it seems to me to have an air of "cliqueness" surrounding it, probably from its military origins (from an application point of view), and its current highly scientific approach.

The "this is RV, it works, take it or leave it" syndrome, doesn't cut it IMO, not by a very long way.

For example, OBE works, Magic works, Clairvoyance works, Evocation of Spirits works, TK works, Energy works and so do a great many other metaphysically oriented things. But we don't just ring fence them and take them for granted. Robert and many other people are a non-stop mission to understand expand and improve on all of these areas and more, as well as break ground in new areas, and everyone benefits as a direct result.

I am not sure why RV is treated and perceived as it is, but I am certain that it can be improved upon, probably dramatically, just as Roberts NEW dramatically improved upon all existing Energy and Chakra systems, notwithstanding the ancient and revered origins of those. If Robert took Chakra stimulation by visualisation, and conventional energy raising for granted, he would not have developed NEW which is a great improvement. Same goes for his work on OBE.

There is much more to Remote Viewing than meets the eye - forgive the pun And who is to say that Robert's Remote Eye Perception isn't the same, related or superior even?

At the final analysis, Remote Viewing is the viewing (however you want to define it) of things that have happened, are happening or will happen, from an altered mind-state. Do we know whether real-time vision, as perceived through closed eyelids before an OBE is any different? Just asking the question. Do we know that RV is not much different to bi-location? Could it be a transient "inner projection" before a full OBE? Could it be alternatively be described as "Mental Wandering" - highly likely in my view. The only scientific aspect that needs investigating, in order to translate it into more cohesive and practical terms, is "acquisition of the target". But that could be just focus and will.

I think any or all of the above are very likely, and that scientific RV could be just a complicated way of targetting past/present/future images. One thing is for sure - RV is sufficiently interesting and useful to warrant much, much more investigation and refining.

And finally, as I understand it, Remote Viewing is exactly that - remote vision. The graphic on the http://www.farsight.org home page represents the following:

http://www.farsight.org/graphics/farsightindexmaingraphic2.jpg " border=0>

"The graphic artwork on our home page is designed to approximate the clarity and resolution of relatively optimal mental remote viewing images as they have been described by many advanced remote viewers. Notice that the images are a bit translucent and fuzzy. With remote viewing, image quality can range from good to bad, depending on a variety of factors. Even a single remote viewing session will typically involve a mix of mental images, all with varying qualities."

Terri: How does the above reconcile with your statement in the other thread:

"But keeping in mind there is no actual seeing with RV practice,no grand visual scene unfolds, RV is sensual, involves the senses, seeing like a blind man (feeling/knowing/describing descriptive) there is no labeling, identifying from the viewer, it's just a descriptive process)."

The above image and descriptions from Farsight seem highly visual, seeing to me.


It seems to me that this is very closely related to Mental Wandering or even Bi-Location.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Terri]

From Adrian; There is much more to Remote Viewing than meets the eye - forgive the pun [] And who is to say that Robert's Remote Eye Perception isn't the same, related or superior even?

Because i've spent many an evening with RB and talked, and I have viewed several targets for RB and he now knows how RV differs from his Remote Eye Perception experience.

No, I don't consider Farsight RV, it's ummmmm I dunno, just not mainstream. he was taught by Dames I think.. (to each his/her own)
As I recall he/they use frontloading and view unverifiable targets.. what good/use is something unverifiable, except in the eye of the beholder?
No, I disagree as to the images, RV is NOT visual, any visual is declared, set aside as AOL, and in AOL (analytical overlay) drive or joy riding your out of session..
RV is sensual, it's more like sensual perception and impressions.
It's descriptive (usually single words), it's not designed for labeling and identifying.
At best any (rare) flash image is shadowy and grainy like a shadow land (of the real, all details not included).
Any viewer will tell you this.
Your not seeing the site with 'real' eyes, your not 'there' as the viewer, nor bi-locating, your describing a signal.

I don't want to sit and answer each and every questions, there are plenty of sites to educate yourself with,  
Firedocs Remote Viewing : FAQs Q&As Manuals et al.
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/crvmanual/gaenir01.html

What IS Remote Viewing? ~ Paul H. Smith
http://www.irva.org/RV.shtml
History of Remote Viewing ~ Paul H. Smith
Remote Viewing and IRVA  
A Scientist's Overview:    

Read Ingo and Joe M's site/book.

Start with the guys who made, actually created RV, coined the term and definition, and the why's where's and how's.
Then read the outliers if you like, but get your basics down first, the real stuff, the truth/factual from the guys who were there.   

Dunno what else to say.. no RV is not cliquish, no more than anything else, and OOBer I assume wants to be known or referred to, labeled an OOBer and not an APer nor bilocationer, or a/the dread RVer or remote en-vision-er. A clairvoyant definitely wants to be called a clairvoyant (clear seeing).
A Shaman, a Shaman, and not is not termed an empath.
Most skilled folks hang about within a common group and are fairly defined.
Nothing cliquish, just like attracts.
IMO RV doesn't need to be fixed nor improved, aka... if it ain't broke no need to fix/alter it.

You/I/someone wants to alter or reinvent new words to describe your method/protocol, go ahead but call it something else with respect/regards to those you got the/basic ideas/premise from.

Enjoy your journeys... Terri

~T~

[Adrian]

Greeting Terri!

Thanks again for your information. I will be sure to visit those Internet references to find out more - all I want to get to is the truth behind RV.

There is no doubt from what you that the term "Remote Viewing" is a misnomer. It should more correctly be "Remote Perception" or perhaps "Remote Sensing" as it appears to be interpretaive rather than visual.

It also seems to me that "Remote Eye Vision" might be extremely useful as a seperate discipline. If it is possible to acquire the same information as for RV, but from a visual rather than interpretative feedback, that has to be a logical extension. Likewise with bi-location - no one can doubt the feedback obtained from actually being there.

The main question goes to the other threads I guess - whereas RV can be used to sample, sense, percieve etc. time as well as space - does the same apply to Remote Eye Vision, bi-location etc.?

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Terri]

A~There is no doubt from what you that the term "Remote Viewing" is a misnomer. It should more correctly be "Remote Perception" or perhaps "Remote Sensing" as it appears to be interpretaive rather than visual.

. . .  okie dokie   dear Adrian, I suggest you take your complaint/ suggestion to Ingo direct.
If you read, when you read, you will read that when the term was coined it was the best descriptive they could/did come up with at the time, and it just stuck. At the time NO ONE was borrowing on the term no one knew of the term, no one/public knew of the process/practice/skill so when the term surfaced.. most folks in general were saying "what is that?"
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now.... *just everyone does "it"* and loves to argue/discuss.
You will also read (RV history), in retrospect some of the guys think/say that the title Remote Sensing would have been a better title, BUT remote sensing is something the US govt did/does with satellites, etc., so that title was already taken, and means officially something quite different.
The name SCANATE (once a title for the unit) meant scan coordiantes.
Maybe it should have been called that??
Will that please the uneducated masses??


A~It also seems to me that "Remote Eye Vision" might be extremely useful as a seperate discipline. If it is possible to acquire the same information as for RV, but from a visual rather than interpretative feedback, that has to be a logical extension.

. . . . Yes, could very well be, but . . . RB's technique as I recall required staying up all night and being dog tired. So IMO this maybe a bit of a hassle, and not all that convenient.
And I don't know if RB has ever tried this on a blind targeted site.
As I have said before, I have never seen an OOBer make (arrive at, locate) a blind target, a real time present time location let alone a past timeline or future.
OOB is too.... in the eye, unto the eye, of the beholder.
It's (a good deal of the time) subjective/reactive/stimulus response usually to the OOBers own mind and beliefs.
The best OOBer I have worked with was a young fella, several years back (pre RB and AD) and what he would do was write the target/coords/locale/idea on a large piece of white paper, placed on his bedroom wall and when he OOBed he would dive thru the paper and arrive at the destination.
(but he never made a blind target)
BUT.....
would I just love/thrill to be able to do what he does.. you betcha.
But as it was his idea, his conceptual, his creation, it worked for him because he believed it so, and so it is..

Nope, I take that back... I have worked one on one, face to face, neck and neck with another OOBer, but hands down this was the best ever..
nah, not the best, but friggin beautiful smooth controlled genius.
I have told RB of some of my co-experiences with this person, **verifyable** (and that's the kicker), I don't think RB can explain it either.
The only thing I know is this person is very advanced, and highly disciplined, highly accurate, very astute. A developed rigid disciplined intent I think is the key factor.


A~Likewise with bi-location - no one can doubt the feedback obtained from actually being there
The main question goes to the other threads I guess - whereas RV can be used to sample, sense, percieve etc. time as well as space - does the same apply to Remote Eye Vision, bi-location etc.?

. . . . . . Remote Eye Vision/Perception is hard to induce, and I assume and only a very few could master it. Same with bi-location, it's a once in a while thing/experience, neither of the above states are dependable, nor on demand (for the vast majority).
RV is, it is basically worked from a wide awake state, can be worked anywhere, any time any place.
If and when you read, JoeM explains (his viewpoint) the difference between OOB and RV and why he chose or chooses RV.
I think this is in his first book.. OR he told us during the Monroe Inst. Gateway Program, but I think he wrote it..
With an OOBE he can (e.g.) *be* in a room, see/pass thru the walls doors windows, a table. With OOB he can look under the table and see the label or sticker/logo/imprint and see where it was made.
With RV you know the table and *know* it's history.
(He also said the OOB state was hard for him (to induce, let alone master on demand/command), took over a year for the first one as I recall)

(with IMO/E RV, you can *know* (and describe) the craftsman-men maker designer history of the table.
You can know where/timeline/era/locale/environment it was made.
You can know the tools used.
You can know the wood.
You can know the forest.
You can know the tree.
You can know the friggin seed it sprang from)

Infinitely more detail (info) via RV.
And RV is much easier to work and teach and learn.
Anyone (IMO) can RV with proper instruction and practice and discipline.

All the best..   Terri

[MovieMike]

In Buddhism we say that there "are many paths to enlightenment."

The well informed dialogue of Adrain and Terri, point out that there are many ways to explore via non-physical means.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone!

MoveMike: Yes indeed there are many paths to enlightenment  Wise words indeed, and I think the truth is that each and every persons path might be different, albeit subtly so, and being based upon life experiences (past, present and future) and spiritual accomplishments.

Terri: I would like to thank you for your comments in this and the other thread on Remote Viewing. I understand RV much better now, but at the same time it has opened up many more questions and possibilities related to RV directly, and variations on same. I do think that Remote Eye Viewing and Bi-Location have great possibilities, and definitely not as difficult as some people imagine - probably easier than OBE in fact. And then there is a skill that very few talk about, but perhaps has more potential than all of these things - Mental Wandering.

At the final analyis that is why we are here on these forums - to ask these questions of each other, and to share the answers, that we might all become that bit more enlightened  

Best regards to all,

Adrian.

[DjMidgetMan]

Can someone send me a guide to learn how to remote view?? Or can someone teach me online?? Are there any good websites for remote viewing?? I just wanna learn..... and by the way, my Aol instant messenger screen name is: "AstralAdventurer" if someone can teach me online...