One Million Dollar Challenge

[odevroed]

Hi, I searched the forums, but I did not find the answer to my question, so I dare asking it in this thread.

You all know that James Randi offers 1million dollar for ANY proof of the supernatural. Now, In the book by mister Bruce, he mentions the test with the card one places on the window, facing outward. Then when projecting you can go and check the card.

Now, this looks to me like a fool proof experiment to do. And from what I understood from the book, at least mister Bruce, should be able to do it with ease.

So my question is: are there any plans to do this? And if no, what are the reasons for this. At least this would give a clear indication to the world that AP is real.

Regards,

Olivier.

PS: I've had LD, so I know one can lucid in dreams, but I'm still struggling with the question whether this is real or just something in my mind.

[Nagual]

Just did a search and found many posts...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=102046
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=84980
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=71474
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68051
etc...

[odevroed]

Hi Nagual, thanks for the links. I'm sorry (and well known) for my poor searching skills.

I guess I will have to find the answer for myself (I'm trying to get the AP to work, but it's rather hard).

Anyway, as a physicist, I still believe it should be possible to prove or disprove AP. That is the reason I want AP to work. Well I know it WILL work, but it is the reality I'm questioning.

Regards,

O.

[Frank]

Oadvroed:

Thank you for your interest but this topic has been done to the death already as you can see from the amount of available threads.

Yours,
Frank

[LordoftheBunnies]

Based on what I have seen, Randi is a dogmaticist, and his 1 million dollar challenge, despite all the media it gets, is a load of rubbish. There's plenty of evidence for it on the internet if you're interested.

www.alternativescience.com/james-randi.org

www.sheldrake.org/controversies/randi.html

http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/montague.html

If I was ever to develop abilities that merited undergoing a test with scientists, it would be with open-minded scientists who don't care about going against the materialist grain, not with any of CSICOPs hit men.

[Kelly]

I don't think this man or anyone he appoints would be satisfied with whatever he is presented with, so, why bother?

[Adun]

i could open a portal to another dimension and make demons come out of it, he would say it was just some magic trick

[Kelly]

i could open a portal to another dimension and make demons come out of it, he would say it was just some magic trick

LOL exactly! It's all smoke and mirrors!!!!!

[Tyciol]

He'd likely say there was someone outside with binoculars looking at the card who radioed you the information.

Even so, I would like to see some proof of this stuff so I know I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of hooey.

If I can do telekinesis or make fireballs, I'll have convinced myself, but until then... convince me!

[LordoftheBunnies]

Well, I don't know if this is what you were referring too, but for the best book on scientific evidence of ESP and the paranormal I would suggest "The Conscious Universe" by Dean Radin.

[CaCoDeMoN]

If I can do telekinesis or make fireballs, I'll have convinced myself, but until then... convince me!

There was a video of a man doing telekinesis on this forum, but now there's no file library, and probably the file is lost.

[Tyciol]

There are lots of videos of guys doing telekinesis. The only problem is videos can be faked.

[filipcza]

Yep, that's right, learn things yourself and only then you really KNOW. After that you have crossed over to the other side, and then you have to start telling other people that "you don't know for sure If you don't do it yourself"..and so it goes.

The problem with telekinesis and other stuff however is that if you don't believe it at all, then it's pretty sure that you won't be able to do it..so open mind and practice! If I can do it then so can everyone else!

It's a bit like doing a handstand, few can do it, but everyone can learn it if they put the time and practice into it, for some it takes longer than others but it can be done.

And about the proof stuff..it's funny, when you do it yourself and all the little bits of doubt blow away..then you have no more need to prove it to anyone. You know it and it doesn't move you in the slightest if someone says "it's impossible". It's like when someone says that there is no such thing as a monkey, because they haven't seen it! Not seeing something is a poor proof that something doesn't exist. And to someone who believes strongly enough that something is impossible no proof is enough. They can always say that it was a hallucination or a trick or anything, because it just can't be real in their minds. They have put such filters on that only the pieces that they allow can be seen. Sad but true.

[Tyciol]

Luckily I saw a bunch of spider monkeys at the zoo once We even gave them names. I forget what they are, I'll have to look up that tenth grade science project... one was called Rasputin Grover.

I think in terms of opening someone's mind to performing telekinetic feats, seeing it done in person is a lot better than seeing it on video. If you think about it, on a video, even a handstand could be done by someone who can't do it by turning the camera upside down, holding them up by wires or men in black costumes that blend into the background, the sky's the limit.

Seeing it done in person allows you to move your hand around for wires, check for magnets, and try and explain and define the phenomena in any way possible. When you can't, you will recognize it, and believe it to be at least a bit possible, and then attempt to do it yourself with that believe empowering you.

This is something I'd really like to see, as I am a skeptic, and while I think the psychokinetic videos are totally bad butt awesome, I just can't help but have part of me think "oh yeah but that might be done using this..." even if I know nothing about what I'm using to explain it. The mind will come up with any excuse to define what it doesn't know using established knowledge rather than to accept new knowledge, or at least mine and that of many other logical thinkers. Ah... to be a child who believes in magic... I envy them.

[canna-bliss]

i walk around anywhere, any state, prob country and further... and people i havent met and people ive met talk out loud to my thoughts... embarrassing ones or amazing ones.  its funny how the world proved telepathy to me...and still not one person came to me and engaged in conversation about it...only yelled things from afar...whose hiding?whose running? not i. but i get labeled crazy for speaking about what really happens, after ive been shot in the abdomen and poisoned and more...no hospitals or surgeries or operations, almost dead for so long. i wont let it happen again, but i remember what it was, no fear. i had always believed in the possibility of psi skills, i guess you dont even have to notice them to have them and use them... keep on

last night in the dark while contemplating those lights people see in pictures and a small red ball, bright too, zoomed past me.  it was red round(about 2inches in diameter, solid looking), and traveled from about 2 inches behind me to about 3 inches in front of me.

[no_leaf_clover]

Yeah, ESP and remote viewing have pretty much been proven without a doubt to exist, and are used by the military. They're in my psychology books at school, being taught as fact to high schoolers here, too. So things like this are nothing new. The stop from remote viewing to astral projecting really isn't a big one, just harder to prove scientifically. I've said before that science isn't designed for this sort of thing; it was devised for experimenting with more easily tested materials. It would probably be easier just to try to AP for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

[astralspinner]

Since there's at least one APer out there who's used it to win the lottery, it should be pointed out that if you can AP, there's easier ways of using it to get rich. So why bother jumping through hoops for somebody you'll never convince?

Even if somebody did present such an inarguable example they actually won the $1million, it still wouldn't change anything: People don't change their beliefs based on facts. They accept or reject facts based on their beliefs.

If they heard somebody won the million, they'd just dismiss it as luck or a really clever fake. So what would be the point of even trying? There's easier ways to get money and nobody would change their beliefs. And who cares what they believe anyway? It's not like we think they'll burn in Hell for not sharing our beliefs, eh?

[Tyciol]

On the other hand, you WOULD get a million dollars, so the fact that someone hasn't done this to provide proof to this one man tells me that perhaps it doesn't exist.

[Kerrblur]

Hello,

    I have a couple books here, one from a particularly well known individual by the name of Joseph McMoneagle.  He wrote the book, "Remote Viewing Secrets - A Handbook.  Joseph learned remote viewing in the U.S Army - he was Remote Viewer #001 in the Army's Stargate program - and was awarded the Legion of Merit for his contribution to various intelligence operations.  

 Another book I got for the more Logical thought people like myself is from a woman named, Serena Roney - Dougal.  She wrote, "Where Science and Magic meet - exploring our psychic Birthright"  .  Serena has spent the last couple decades exploring this one side of undiscovered science like the men who try too much disproving things, instead of doing what she has done to uncover the secrets.  she got her PhD in Psychology , she has done some twenty years' study and experience in scientific, magical, and spiritual explorations of the psyche. she has done workshops, seminars, taught courses, all around the US. and Great britian and most of Europes Famous Newpaper companies has written Numerous articles about her..

Look these two books up for a scientific view of things... Serenas book is not for a person who would have a hard time understanding long thought up equations would have a difficult time understand what she explains.

anyway im tired and probably made no sense here but i hope you all will look these two books up... Great titles... robert bruce i believe is among the other authors around who did great things to bring this side of un seen science out of water..

[pod_3]

If the astral is said to be the realm of will, I see nothing prohibiting logical thinking.  As is the case with memory, for instance, it's simply a matter of willing that the astral body be imbued with that property. Some of the Stargate people have said so too, if memory serves.

[Telos]

Since there's at least one APer out there who's used it to win the lottery, it should be pointed out that if you can AP, there's easier ways of using it to get rich...

Anne Varnes won the $500 daily lottery. Nothing to sneeze at, but not all that impressive. If you imagine 1000 different people with one trial each trying to win the lottery through dreaming, the odds are one of them will.

Since way more than 1000 people are trying to win the lottery through AP/dreaming/spirit work/whatever, Varnes' triumph looks severely diminished.

It won't discourage me from trying though

[Tyciol]

Seriously, someone astrally project, or mind-read, or do some telekinesis, prove this guy wrong, get the million.

Why is no one here doing it? Moderators? Robert Bruce?

[Legend]

There are plenty of people who could go for this challenge; honestly.  There are numerous "true" chanellers, who could easilly expose details of this man's life which only he would know and etc...  In reality, I would tend to believe that he's looking for undeniable hard evidence.  In ohter words, he wouldn't accept your mere example of reading a card.  I may be wrong, but if he's offering that much cash, he must want some really hard evidence.

On another point, not everyone is ready to accept the truth.  Most souls at this stage are awakening more and more everyday.  But still, many people will find the most obscure reasons not to believe in anything meta.  They'll blame tv tricks on it.  They'll blame that people read their files, gov. conspiracies; whatever...

Hi, I searched the forums, but I did not find the answer to my question, so I dare asking it in this thread.

You all know that James Randi offers 1million dollar for ANY proof of the supernatural. Now, In the book by mister Bruce, he mentions the test with the card one places on the window, facing outward. Then when projecting you can go and check the card.

Now, this looks to me like a fool proof experiment to do. And from what I understood from the book, at least mister Bruce, should be able to do it with ease.

So my question is: are there any plans to do this? And if no, what are the reasons for this. At least this would give a clear indication to the world that AP is real.

Regards,

Olivier.

PS: I've had LD, so I know one can lucid in dreams, but I'm still struggling with the question whether this is real or just something in my mind.

[Tyciol]

He doesn't want proof he can publish, he just wants personal proof.

Revealing details about people's life that 'only they could know' does not prove a channeler. If that's all they rely on, they're probably a fraud. Houdini revealed a lot of these idiots.

Do a card reading from another room, or any other controlled experiment based on randomness.

I don't care what the effects would be, there would be at least one psychic out there with a reason to do it.

If he could.

So why has no one done it? Has anyone tried it? Why?

[Adun]

I wouldn't