Prediction for 2005 – 1st public domain Free Energy machine

[pmlonline]

Hi,

I have a lot to say about this, but will try to keep it short and not rattle on too much.  I'll refer to the person working on the free energy device as person S.  As of May 1st person S had to put everything on hold due to money issues.  Sine may 1st person S has been spending all his time inventing another device that will make a great deal of money.  The money making device is straight forward science.  I'd expect person S to continue working on the free energy device in about 4 months.

Sorry for the bad news as this is a time when we need free energy more than ever.  I know of various free energy techniques, but I don't think it is my option to reveal other peoples work.

Lets hope and pray for free energy in 2006!  Let's see if humanity will earn it by then.  Until then, my country America has accumulated great so-called negative karma over the past years, which must be dealt with.

Peace,
Paul

[CaCoDeMoN]

Hmmm... interesting. In the next year I'll study much about termodynamics and I'll try to make calculations to check if such thing is possible.

[The_Rabbi]

I don't quite understand why capitalism will be turned upside down. More over, I don't understand why people consider capitalism to be a bad thing. In practice, it has led to the success and happiness of far more people than communism has. I suppose the reason people think socialism is a good idea is because they think the government is capable of good. An odd thought, considering the people who believe this seem to have nothing but bad things to say about the American government.

People will still require labor. People will still require goods and services. The only thing I can see happening, if this machine becomes reality, is that the energy market will cease to exist. Well folks, that's not capitalism. That's a sector.

I have a good mind to put forth the idea that you are clouding the predictions with your own personal biases and opinions.

[CaCoDeMoN]

I don't quite understand why capitalism will be turned upside down. More over, I don't understand why people consider capitalism to be a bad thing. In practice, it has led to the success and happiness of far more people than communism has. I suppose the reason people think socialism is a good idea is because they think the government is capable of good. An odd thought, considering the people who believe this seem to have nothing but bad things to say about the American government.

People will still require labor. People will still require goods and services. The only thing I can see happening, if this machine becomes reality, is that the energy market will cease to exist. Well folks, that's not capitalism. That's a sector.

I have a good mind to put forth the idea that you are clouding the predictions with your own personal biases and opinions.

Communism is not the only alternative. Alternative systems do not have to be centrally planned, and the government doesn't have to be separate thing form society. People behave like animals, no matter what the system is, so with the creation of the system it should be supposed  that some will do so.
The problem with all current systems is concentrating the power in the hands of few, and frequently those few are wrose than criminals.

[Hans Solo]

Capitalism will be turned upside down. The system will be completely out of balance

This is completely retarded.  Capitalism is only the free market.  IF this were to happen it would only permanently alter in what FORM energy is consumed.  OK, so the oil companies would be servery crippled, SO WHAT! All other companies will adapt to the new technology. Was capitalism turned upside down when the cars replaced the horse and buggy.  Goods and services will still be provided, and there will be a market for them, thus capitalism will survive.  Essentially, any form of voluntary exchange is in essence a form of capitalism.


As for the rest of the prediction.. laughable!  Although I would love to see it come about.

Han

[Shuringi]

Very interesting thread  

For some months I have been doing research for free energy machines. As my interest was growing I found many sites on the Internet that described machines that was really amazing, at the first view. But with an open mind I could easily sort out the majority and declare them as hoaxes. These that I consider are the real ones are listed below.

As I know there currently exist two different free-energy machines that really work for sure:

Probably the most famous is the machines that Henry Moray and Nicola Tesla produced during the 1920's. Henry discovered a way to tap energy from everywhere and his two machines was (and one still IS) possible to generate electricity.

Pictures and more info:
http://free-energy.ws/moray.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Moray


The second one is the Testatica, produced by the religious Methernitha in Switzerland that really want to keep the secrets of the machine for themselves.

Pictures and more info:
http://www.methernitha.com/Mether_2/Free_energie/body_free_energie.html
http://energy21.freeservers.com/testimages.htm
http://energy21.freeservers.com/tesnews.htm
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Methernitha/Thestatica
Video:
http://www.sarahtripp.com/webmovies/testatika.mov


...AND FINALLY:
Check this out! This might be the third one and maybe the one that will solve our energy crisis, IF it really works   :
http://www.lutec.com.au


Other links:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/freeenergy.html
//www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm

[Ybom]

What about the Clem Engine?

[Rob]

Hi folks,

Good to see this topic discussed! Thought I would add that FE devices have recently ALREADY ARRIVED on market...    

There is an interview with LuTec, the inventors, at www.yowusa.com, where they spell out some of the details. Currently they seem to be only selling expensive proof of concept generators, not sure the output, but its fricking significant anyway. Yes I fully agree with some of the predictions here - with the advent of the internet and such a high degree of info transfer, FE devices are simply a matter of time. I also agree that this will cause a degree of economic disruption and change on the scale of the industrial revolution, not just because of the immediate effects of the technology on the market, but also because FE should open up the door to a number of other fantastic technologies. For instance, Rife machines should some in with 15 years of FE. Combined, this will mean the almost total removal of two of the three biggest world markets - medicine (drugs) and oil. Frankly, its plain impossible to tell what effect this will really have. Other techs that should come in the wake (or in parellel) are antigrav and quantum (entangled)  computing....IMO

Btw these devices should not cool down the local atmosphere. I can understand how one might initially think this to be the case, since the zero-point field is often described as the "quantum jiggle" - ie atomic scale vibrations which can be reduced and tapped for power. Basically trying to order and extract from quantum thermal noise. This point of view has 3 main problems I can think of:

1. I hate laws but there are many things which are true within the bounds of certain given systems. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is generally held as a biggie    and without invoking other laws or systems, simply extracting energy from thermal noise is impossible (to extract you need a system with 2 distinct energy levels).

2. The "zero point field" is actually the cause of quantum jiggle - that is, the jiggle is not the field, but an effect of the field. This can be shown to be true simply by considering where the name "zero-point" came from - when matter is reduced in temperature to extremely close to absolute zero (0K), the matter continues to give off radiation. Energy recieved from the ZPF which then drives atomic vibrations when then give off the observed EM radiation.

3. Adding various 2 and 2's together I have come to the conclusion that the source of over-unity energies is entangled (ie non-local) energy transfers. Read Moray B Kings most recent book on over-unity and also Collective Electrodynamics by Mead if you want to see where I am coming from here. So the energy recieved is not coming from the immediate environment but a sort of collective energy pool shared by various sources vibrating at the same rate all over the universe. Maybe   . IMO consciousness is a bit like this - a non-local entangled stream of cohesive vibration (mmm big words...mmm....(drools on keyboard in homer-esque fashion)   )

Rob

[beavis]

It is possible for a device to stay colder than its environment therefore continuously absorb energy, but the chance of that any time near 2005 is almost 0% not 100%. You give Humans too much credit.

[kenshin]

but honestly do you really recon that the industy/corperations will allow free energy, they make money from energy and often companies have brought out people trying to release things that will make them loose money (such as where someone made a lighbulb that could supposedly last 100 years yet the guy who made it was payed not to release it by some company), greed will not allow this to happen so easily

[Wronski Feint]

there is NO way a company would allow free energy to come onto the market.  They would challenge it in court or somthing.  Its just like the hydrogen powered cars.  The govt and companies cant charge you for water(they cant make you buy water), so there is no way that a car will be made that just uses water to fill up.   Sadly, money makes the world go around and money will be the death of us one day.

[Ybom]

there is NO way a company would allow free energy to come onto the market.  They would challenge it in court or somthing.  Its just like the hydrogen powered cars.  The govt and companies cant charge you for water(they cant make you buy water), so there is no way that a car will be made that just uses water to fill up.   Sadly, money makes the world go around and money will be the death of us one day.

Greed is only so powerful, and so is the concept of business. It will get beaten down one day, probably when is least expected.

How do you beat big business? By including business ideals into a shell protecting the kernel concept (as here it would be the idea of a surplus energy source/generator). This is just one way; I'm sure there are others.

[beavis]

Greed can delay science, but eventually things become so easy to build that somebody thats not greedy invents it and does not bury it in the patent office. Technology increases exponentially fast. It cant be delayed for long.