Okay everyone. I went to see a psychic and she told me that I have tk or pk ability. Before hand, I've tested her and everything that she has said has been right. Ex: She I was adapted. she knew I was breaking up with my girlfriend and she said my birth parent are also gifted but didn't say what ability
It's been couple months now and my tk suck so bad.
I'm spending 30mints everyday and its been two months now.
This is killing me! I feel like I want to just give up and just forget about even trying.
It even barely move and it only move count wise. The last time it move was 3 weeks go and it just stop.
:x :oops: :-( :?
Baiting the mods but still..
Can I? please?
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Quote from: jilola on May 08, 2007, 00:19:51
Baiting the mods but still..
Can I? please?
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Please... go ahead.
Try with a toothpick and as you become more skilled move on to bigger and heavier objects.
ive been told that as well. i should probably do that spell again. it should work better when i do it the right way. lol. but yeah. i suck at tk, even though ive been told its innate to me. the concept is innate to me, but the objects dont seem to follow. i guess we decided to learn a lesson at the same time. lol. we gotta practice.
That's it. I'm going out on the road as a medium. I want gullible money too.
Quote from: TalaNay on May 08, 2007, 12:11:05
That's it. I'm going out on the road as a medium. I want gullible money too.
Can I be your manager?
The best TK abilities I've seen are the crummy videos of "psi-wheels" which is not convincing at all. And the magicians have all been frauds. So what is the advantage in trying to learn it? There is no science to support it.
Using just a fraction of concentration and intent a person uses on a psi-wheel, I could easily pick it up and drop kick it out the window.
Maybe in the future we'll understand things better and be able to manipulate the physical world using only our minds (most likely with the help of machines), but the time & practice it takes now would be much better put to use in meditation & astral development - things that are known to be achievable. Doesn't it make more sense to develop your own self before trying super-hard advanced stuff that might not exist?
Everyones journey leads them down different paths. However, It would make sense to attempt and accomplish things that are much easier before moving on to 'super-hard advanced stuff' like Stookie said.
Theres so much more to explore, Don't limit yourself to one thing.
I try to keep an open mind on all of these things. Sure there isn't science to justify stuff like tk, but science continues to learn more and shed light on a lot of so-called mysteries. As far as tk goes, it supposedly takes a super amount of concentration, which to this point I haven't been able to come close. If you don't think tk is possible you surely will never be able to see it.
Quote from: jilola on May 08, 2007, 00:19:51
Baiting the mods but still..
Can I? please?
2cents & L&L
Jouni
I'm still waiting...
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Quote from: CFTraveler on May 09, 2007, 19:41:34
I'm still waiting...
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James actually said "Please... go ahead."
So just say what you were going to say, or stop posting senseless posts :-P
tk IS real. yes, there are many fakes. but its not dismissable just because there is no scientific evidence. tk is accomplished through streaming MASSIVE amounts of medium frequency kinetic energy through your arms or from your mind. doesnt really matter which. dont ask me how i know this. im not sure. its just one of those things that i KNOW. like, some things i know and they come from nowhere. its an innate understanding. but yeah. thats how it works.
Though TK cannot be proved, justified or even accepted by science, it's still real enough. It's just one of those things that requires the application of understandings of not only the energies that underlie everything, but also our connection to those energies.
It's something that I'm also very much interested in, and have been told by more than one spirit guide that it's entirely possible and something that I'm capable of. The key for me is becoming fully aware of my connection to all things (oneness), and understanding how to use that connection to directly affect the physical world immediately. Our thoughts are affecting the physical world around us all the time, but the results are typically not seen immediately.
Much easier said than done though! True TK requires mastery of the physical. Not something we can gain overnight.
Not that I don't believe it exists, but a person actually doing it in any kind of practical form is far fetched. Same with teleportation - I believe it's theoretically possible, but not something that can be done now. It's much easier to go pick up what I want than attempt to move it with my mind. In the future, it may be possible for all of us, but it seems kind of pointless at attempting it now.
If there are people out there who can do it with ease, they keep it secret, and there must be some reason for the secrecy that I don't understand. Why don't they become superheros or something? Either they exist in secret or don't exist at all.
It's much more fascinating to me to move my consciousness away from time and space than move something in time and space.
I don't believe it can be done in the physical and yes I get irritated when I hear of people bragging that they can do it. I agree with you stookie.. they don't exist at all.
I've had a couple of dreams where I moved stuff with my mind and while it was happening I can see how it seemed possible just by the way I felt while doing it...but like I said, in the physical, no way.
PS. It is a fun concept though, but keep it real. :)
Quote from: Stookie on May 10, 2007, 12:14:08
If there are people out there who can do it with ease, they keep it secret, and there must be some reason for the secrecy that I don't understand. Why don't they become superheros or something? Either they exist in secret or don't exist at all.
The only thing I've seen on this was written by Adrian Cooper. In his chapter on the practice of concentration he talks about abilities like tk and writes:
"It is most important that pursuing these abilities should always been done alone and solely for the benefit of your own personal development. Never ever, ever seek to impress others with public demonstrations otherwise your focus, abilities and progress will be adversely affected. Your own development is very individually focused, while most importantly of course always being willing to assist others with any aspect of their life or personal development is appropriate if asked to do so."
i shall not try to explain something i dont know much about or i will look like the straight christian fundamentalist explaining what homosexuality is. obviously, he has no clue, and looks like a total butt. :)
This is a warning erynys. If you continue calling names you will have a two day vacation from the forums. I hope this is straight to the point enough for you to understand it.
k i got a tk story.. im not tryin to convince ppl or convert skeptics into wonderfully, fantastic magical believers, jus chek out what i have to say.. believe me or not - who cares right, but i rly promise i am not lying.. im not that bored to make up a bunch of lies for ppl
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if ppl think im braggin, it probably looks as tho i am.. but im kinda tryin to share somethin.. when u got a story like this its hard not to tell anyone (b%%l%it right im boasting? whatever - chek it out)
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A few years ago, after id been practicing for about 2 months, i managed to get tk working.. not the psi wheel crap.. i used pencils and pretty much whatever i could see around me that was small.. i used to practice all the time.. pretty much everywhere.. it almost became unconscious doing and thats when it started working
eventually, the biggest things i got going were making a pencil move into a shake, moving a mobile phone (without using vibrate lol)
and one time i was messin around in bed trying it out on a coin.. and wot happend was (bear with me) a !blue electric light shot out of my fingers! - (.... i mean it lol) stuff that just doesnt happen - only in movies) I actually !!zapped!! my girlfriend .. it wasnt like "oh look im makin that pencil move" (yeah right u are blowin on it - ur mind is playing tricks).. i actually felt and saw a blue light come from my fingers... this wasnt tk it was like some lightning bolt s%#4t i had going..but.. me sayin this just sounds ridiculous.. so ill shut up on that part cos i kno how it sounds
so a couple of days later after more tk, i started feelin absolutely crap, my chest felt like it was burning with electric pain.. the feeling of tight wireyness from my heart to my hands like it was burning and about to snap..and thundery, i cant describe it more than that other than sayin it was a horrible pain.. and something i couldnt stop.. i tried psychic healers and all that crap.. reiki.. (yeah right that'll work) .. it probably made it worse
it lasted for about 2 weeks.. at one point i went to the docs and got examined , they did a bunch of tests & an electric heart scan (ECG i think) they told me nothing was wrong.
so eventually it stopped and i stopped doing tk.. and hav never done it again..
so to anyone who thinks its not real, - (wait for it)................... it isnt real ;p
if u are competely open minded on it.. and forget all the doubt, it can become real.. and for me it was pretty real
i can laugh about it now cos it was ages ago, but when it happened i was massivly traumatizd. i can understand all that crap about magic and warnings.. dont f% around
(i dont wanna lecture anyone at the same time or tell u wot to do)
anyway theres my story. iv been gettin interestd in it again lately (but gotta b careful for real) which is why i thought i'd post about it
pz
TK abilities could solve so many of the world's problems. We would have infinite energy. Your bicycle wouldn't need pedals. Your car wouldn't need a motor. In theory, it wouldn't matter the weight or size since your manipulating at a sub-atomic level. If you can move a pencil, you can move a boulder. (Like when Yoda has Luke try to get the ship out of the swamp.)
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The only thing I've seen on this was written by Adrian Cooper. In his chapter on the practice of concentration he talks about abilities like tk and writes:
"It is most important that pursuing these abilities should always been done alone and solely for the benefit of your own personal development. Never ever, ever seek to impress others with public demonstrations otherwise your focus, abilities and progress will be adversely affected. Your own development is very individually focused, while most importantly of course always being willing to assist others with any aspect of their life or personal development is appropriate if asked to do so."
I don't understand what TK has to do with personal development. The ONLY use I see for it are practical ones.
QuoteNever ever, ever seek to impress others with public demonstrations otherwise your focus, abilities and progress will be adversely affected.
So, you can't show anyone or it won't work anymore?
My argument is: if it's not for practical use & you can't show anyone, why take the massive amount of time & dedication to do it? There are much better ways of personal development.
I'm an open-minded person & not meaning to knock other's paths. It's just the concepts that relate to TK don't make sense to me. Could someone please explain in a more concrete way? (Something better than 'I just KNOW')
Quote from: Runlola on May 11, 2007, 14:05:54
I would think just doing it to show off is purely ego. I think ppl
that can do it, do it to build confidence in themselves or because it
makes their faith in the universe stronger. But if it's just to show
off and feel powerful, then it becomes something darker. I think
it would be difficult to make a show of it & not feel like you are
better than others. When you are not trying to prove anything or
show off then it is just something special to you...it's not "look what I can do!" ...
if it's purely to build your ego up then you will inevitably fail.
There's little doubt that pride and egotism can slow spiritual development or cause it to come to a grinding halt.
Quote from: Runlola on May 11, 2007, 14:05:54
I can't really see someone thinking of it in practical terms just yet. That
would change things but in order to get to that point, more ppl would
have to be able to accomplish it to the point where it's no longer
some amazing demonstration. Maybe that will happen when ppl start
to believe in the unlimited possibilities of the mind.
And maybe it'll happen when people take seriously how much time, effort and dedication it takes to learn the skills necessary to develop the Mind. Just learning to concentrate for a few minutes (seconds? :-D) is a major feat for most of us. Honestly, most of us won't do what it takes to progress in this area. Our hectic lifestyles almost make it impossible.
I'm still going to try. DH
Now that makes more sense. You could say that by developing concentration and knowledge of "the greater reality" you can develop the abilities to make TK work. But to get to that point you have to go beyond ego. I guess I would have to pretend I was pedaling my bike ("Hey, that guy never gets tired!").
So attempting TK without first developing yourself is probably backwards. Which is what I was getting at: if you don't have a direct, advanced connection with other levels of consciousness, why try to do something so advanced? It's like skipping steps 1-99 to get to step 100.
Quote from: Stookie on May 11, 2007, 12:15:42
TK abilities could solve so many of the world's problems. We would have infinite energy. Your bicycle wouldn't need pedals. Your car wouldn't need a motor. In theory, it wouldn't matter the weight or size since your manipulating at a sub-atomic level. If you can move a pencil, you can move a boulder. (Like when Yoda has Luke try to get the ship out of the swamp.)
I don't understand what TK has to do with personal development. The ONLY use I see for it are practical ones. So, you can't show anyone or it won't work anymore?
My argument is: if it's not for practical use & you can't show anyone, why take the massive amount of time & dedication to do it? There are much better ways of personal development.
I'm an open-minded person & not meaning to knock other's paths. It's just the concepts that relate to TK don't make sense to me. Could someone please explain in a more concrete way? (Something better than 'I just KNOW')
if this were true it would be at the caust of your life it would deteriorate your body to be able to out put and move a massive object i have a theory that you can only move about 10% of your body wait with tk consiusly and if your not talented at moving things you should try the mental tk sending thoughts and maybe thats what the phychic ment by that
me and my friend practiced sending any number betwen 1/10 and we got 80 -90% succes she was really good im not to visual so i had to kinda feel what she was thinking threw and emotional conection we had
oh and i beleive the lightning thing that kp0000 said
because i had a very similar thing happen to me i had electrical experiences when i was in my prime i could move objects from a long distence and when i was in school one day i made what i though was a psi ball but ended up haveing compressed psi with a electrical eliment in it my freind put his hand between mine and got shockked with a 3 inch arch of lightning from the psi bal and i got shocked as well that very similar to the feeling of a week tasser or one of thse prank zaper lighters or pens lol i have only done it twise check out my post the title is shocking from about 4 years ago (you can reach it threw my profile)
i have manipulated wind in a closed invironment no ac or windows or vents with one of my pagan friends he is more talented than i am with wind but i can move fire (i havent succes fully put it out yet lol)
im currently working on pencils
if you are really interested in tk i sugest you erase most of western logic and reason from your head because western logic is to sceptical and alows no room for learning any thing like this because almost every thing western relates to christianity (no offence it is kind of anoying and limits your way of thinking)and no im not telling you to reconvert or join a cult just be an individual and think for yourself
you HAVE to be open minded to acheive these things and if there is a doubt realise their is also room for posibility so think positive and dont try to show your parents i learend the hard way lol
plus it causes you stress and makes it harder to permorm
pm me if you wish to hear my method of moving the psi wheel i would be more than glad to share but im not to happy about the wave of skeptics that plegue these forums it didnt use to be this way i remember when people were open to learning and teaching
Now that I'm actually experiencing some of it for my self, I(previously Erynys, although I've grown SO much since then so I might as well be a different person) I can safely say that TK is when you break away from physics and control it. There are secrets you have to know to do this. It's like becoming lucid in a dream and controlling the events in the dream. I shouldn't tell you why because it will cripple your minds, so I won't. I had to learn the hard way that you shouldn't help people to much or they never learn to help themselves. Anyway, Tk is not what you think it is. I feel no strain whatsoever when I accidentally do things in my house. I feel a lot more strain when I do something like Telepathy or Precognition or Remote Viewing. Those are harder because they require focus. Tk only require the right amount of White Light Energy directed at an object while the person is at a certain level of consciousness with excellent communication between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. Anyway, you'll all figure it out for yourselves anyway, so I'll trust that I don't need to drone on and treat you all like you're helpless children who need to be saved. As much as it bothers me, I find people feel more respected this way. :) Happy learning, fellow students! :)
Quote from: Stookie on May 11, 2007, 14:30:45
Now that makes more sense. You could say that by developing concentration and knowledge of "the greater reality" you can develop the abilities to make TK work. But to get to that point you have to go beyond ego. I guess I would have to pretend I was pedaling my bike ("Hey, that guy never gets tired!").
So attempting TK without first developing yourself is probably backwards. Which is what I was getting at: if you don't have a direct, advanced connection with other levels of consciousness, why try to do something so advanced? It's like skipping steps 1-99 to get to step 100.
Stookie, I respect your thoughts completely, I just want you to know that, but I want to let you know how I look at TK and maybe I can help you understand why some of us practice it so.
For me, personally, practicing tk IS a form of meditation, and for me it is the best way for me to meditate (apart from laying in bed :-) ). when i am sitting there concentrating solely on one object for extended periods of time, my mind goes so calm it's unbelievable. sometimes i go so deep into the object i actually start to feel like i can feel what it feels, and how it's texture feels and it's really a difficult feeling to describe with words.
Then when you're so deep inside that object and all of a sudden you feel it move inside you, and with you, and with your eyes you see it start to twitch, the awe is really quite astounding. That's the part where I would get overly excited and have to try again or give it a rest for the night. But after time you learn to control the emotion you feel when you see something that is deemed by most people "impossible" and you start to learn to accept it as real, and this is how improvement for me happens. I control my excitement and continue to concentrate as fiercely as possible. After time, the twitching turns into rolling, and from there sliding and so forth.
My point being, for TK, you not only need a large amount of concentration, you need ALL of your concentration. What better form of meditation than that? I don't believe that TK is more "advanced" than anything else, or that you must first go through all of these steps and procedures to "achieve" TK. I am a very firm believer in the just do it method, because I really do believe that anything is possible, and I have so much confidence in us as people to be able to do the very things that we desire as long as there is a strong will and a strong belief. Also, if we don't start learning to harness it now, when it is so clearly available for those willing to use it, then when will we ever learn? All I am saying is we have to start somewhere, and someone has to start it. So why not us? And why not now?
My apologies for such a long-winded post.
Hi Dotster :)
I don't mean to dissuade anyone from attempting it. I think my view of it comes from my early days of learning astral stuff. I spent a lot of time reading and studying everything I could get my hands on, including a lot of stuff that wasted a LOT of my time. I could have advanced much further quicker if I would have stuck to simple meditation, concentration, & visualization exercises, instead of trying to see auras and read minds and talk to the dead.
This stuff is all possible, and TK probably is too, but like seeing auras, it begins to come more naturally as you become more familiar with non-physical experiences over time. So it seems to me, the quicker way would be to learn to have experiences outside the physical and develop a stronger connection between the physical and non-physical. Then you'll also have a much better experience in understanding what exactly TK is and how it works. I don't see anyone getting far with TK by working at it completely in the physical world.
However, I'm sure you're correct in saying that it helps concentration. Anytime you focus on one thing without distractions you are improving concentration. I'm sure it has some other benefits external to TK also. So I'll reiterate: TK results would probably be much better if accompanied with some form of non-physical exercises and practice. They would in turn strengthen each other.
However, I still want to see someone ride a bike without pedaling. I see that, and I'll start practicing tomorrow. :)
Guess I should go get my bike and start practicing for you then...lol
one problem though....dont know how to push thing or pull things.....just spin.....O.O
Shouldnt be that hard though right?........lol
~TK
Quote from: Stookie on November 08, 2007, 12:06:16
Hi Dotster :)
I don't mean to dissuade anyone from attempting it. I think my view of it comes from my early days of learning astral stuff. I spent a lot of time reading and studying everything I could get my hands on, including a lot of stuff that wasted a LOT of my time. I could have advanced much further quicker if I would have stuck to simple meditation, concentration, & visualization exercises, instead of trying to see auras and read minds and talk to the dead.
This stuff is all possible, and TK probably is too, but like seeing auras, it begins to come more naturally as you become more familiar with non-physical experiences over time. So it seems to me, the quicker way would be to learn to have experiences outside the physical and develop a stronger connection between the physical and non-physical. Then you'll also have a much better experience in understanding what exactly TK is and how it works. I don't see anyone getting far with TK by working at it completely in the physical world.
However, I'm sure you're correct in saying that it helps concentration. Anytime you focus on one thing without distractions you are improving concentration. I'm sure it has some other benefits external to TK also. So I'll reiterate: TK results would probably be much better if accompanied with some form of non-physical exercises and practice. They would in turn strengthen each other.
However, I still want to see someone ride a bike without pedaling. I see that, and I'll start practicing tomorrow. :)
Agreed, and I would hope that people are not just working solely on TK, I believe you are 100 percent correct. And I will have to get out my bike sometime and practice for you ( just not too soon ;-) )
Quote from: dotster on November 08, 2007, 19:07:07
Agreed, and I would hope that people are not just working solely on TK, I believe you are 100 percent correct. And I will have to get out my bike sometime and practice for you ( just not too soon ;-) )
And why can't someone solely work on TK?.....I have and its come a long ways since i started a few months ago...hell the psi wheel i have under a large container spins in any direction i tell it too.....i just cant lift it up yet....but in 4-5 months of tk practice.....???? tell me that i havent done alot.....and i'll tell you how to fly.......
yeah sure....AP and OBE might.....and i say might help....but on a energy level.....people should first learn how to control the energy around them before learning to control thier own....and i mean not controling energy of say a volks wagon before making a energy ball....but like learn how to harness earths elemental energy first......try to absorb that energy for your own use....{yeah i know kinda long explaination.....but i just couldnt help it captain....lol}
Anyways.....sorry if i sound messed up in the head....its just i've been trying now for a few days to lift the psiwheel....and all it does is spin.....its really frustrating.....o.o..}
~TK
I'm not saying that it is wrong to JUST practice TK, but I believe that it would be more beneficial overall, in general, to study and practice multiple subjects so as one doesn't become weary of the one they practice. Just like school. I wouldn't just take all business classes, i would take math, and foreign language also, or something like that. Math and foreign language are bound to help you out in the business world somehow, you know what i mean?
Quote from: tksjm on November 08, 2007, 12:44:15
Guess I should go get my bike and start practicing for you then...lol
one problem though....dont know how to push thing or pull things.....just spin.....O.O
Then getting a bike to move shouldn't be ANY problem. You can spin the front wheel, the back wheel, or any of the gears to get it to move. What's the difference between spinning a psy-wheel vs. a bike wheel?
Quote from: Stookie on November 12, 2007, 11:07:15
What's the difference between spinning a psy-wheel vs. a bike wheel?
mental barriers. it's a lot harder to unlearn something. especially when you have been taught your entire life that what you are trying to do is impossible.
TK sounds a little too star warsish for me...
i was talkign to some one on here thru PM, i asked them to teach me...they told me to check out a couple of vids on their myspace to get an idea...and then to get back to them, i did...i got an idea...think of the object, feel it with your mind. think of it as going nearly 1000mph because it actually is thanks to the rotation of the planet...i knew that one already...then to get back to them...i did, they told me well what do you think you need to do next? i was like well...ur the teacher why don't you tell me...in theback of the mind i was thinkin' their full of excrement.
Well, I dunno if the person was just trying to bs you or not but the best teacher is yourself. It's not like magically one day a scroll appeared on the planet that taught people how to meditate, they started figuring it out for themselves. Yes, then I know they taught other people but the fact still remains that everyone does it differently; no one does it exactly the same. They do what makes them feel most comfortable. Sure they might have read and use the same "technique", however, when they get down to it, no one person executes that technique in the exact same way with all the exact thoughts and emotions. Just learn to trust yourself, then you will start to actually KNOW yourself, and as I said, the best teacher IS yourself. The whole Just Do It concept is based on this. Trust yourself enough to know that you know how to do it, then just do it. It will work. What causes it not to work is skepticism. If you don't believe in yourself first, then you cannot help yourself.
If I may I would like to voice or type my opinion on this topic like the rest of yous have :wink:. I am fairly new to the practice but not at all to the awareness of its existence.
It would seem from the many forums I've been to their are people who believe and people who don't. Naturally of course.. What I have learned in my own experience is that whether you believe in Telekinesis or not, either way your right. Why? Because you are the creator of your own reality. Once you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!
Its all about manipulating energy and vibrations. It has scientifically been proving that everything is energy, and that the mind - conscious has a connection with this energy. People manipulate energy all the time and mostly without even knowing it. I myself have only produce small results as in moving pendents, sliding pencil across the table, and slightly bending of the spoon (For some reason I have yet to fully bend it :?). I have proving to myself that TK is possible. So therefore no one alive can convince me other wise. My only challenge now is convincing myself that there is no limit to what you can move. On an energetic or atomic level, size and weight does not exist. Therefore, theoretically at least, using mind power to move a mountain is no more difficult then moving a pencil, and yes I mean this literally. Though at the moment I have yet to produce or seen such a feat. I have no doubt it is very possible.
Personally I believe that the only reason that such abilities will take years (if years) to harness or fully develop is because we have evolved over the years/decades/centuries in a manner in which we relay to heavily on material possesions to solve all our problems. I'm not sure how this happened, but it did. These so called psychic powers weren't psychic back when they were being used on a daily basis. They were as normal as writting, or riding a bike, or anything natural.
I don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority. I'm quite sure the many fascinating things that have been discovered today by science were deemed impossible decades ago. The knowledge was always there. It wasn't created, it was discovered. The same with Telekinesis. Science as we know it just hasn't caught up yet to were things like TK can be proving as a simple fact. It could be that there isn't any reason or use for such abilities in the current world we live in today. Our beliefs and mind powers are focused on other things like money, sex, power, responsibilities, yatta yatta yatta you get what I'm saying, that we don't put in the appropriate mind power or time to rediscover these now latent powers and apply them to our everyday lives.
QuoteOnce you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!
The only problem with this is, why does my skepticism keep others from being able to show me? They can't show me because it's not my "reality"? What about their reality? Why does mine overpower theirs?
QuoteThese so called psychic powers weren't psychic back when they were being used on a daily basis. They were as normal as writting, or riding a bike, or anything natural.
There's no evidence that "psychic powers" were ever normal and natural. If anything, there's a mass of evidence that non-physical activities were limited to the initiated and kept secret from the non-initiated.
QuoteI don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority
I still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.
My problem isn't about TK, it's about beliefs. I can believe that superman is real with my whole heart. I can believe that Christianity is the one true religion. I can believe that a war in Iraq is good for the world. The 100% belief in no way makes these things true.
When people die for their beliefs, it's because they believe it with their whole heart. Take a step back a look at people who live by their beliefs vs. people that live by their ideals. Beliefs turn people's lives into self-created illusions.
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Once you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!
QuoteThe only problem with this is, why does my skepticism keep others from being able to show me? They can't show me because it's not my "reality"? What about their reality? Why does mine overpower theirs?
That very well can be the case. TK, as what I can understand, may work under the "Law Of Attraction". Energies exist all around us and is constantly being influenced by our minds. TK takes more then just belief to pull off. When one, two or more people enter the same reality even for a moment, as when people enter a contest, the one with the higher or stronger mind power wins. People could chop this up to saying of that persons skills were more developed then the others, or the person was lucky, or whatever the reason for him/her winning a contest. The person that wins could have, even unintentionally, could have been using the "Law Of Attraction" to bring a less skilled opponent. Of course I'm just tossing ideas around with that one.
For example Mike Tyson won all his first fights until he met Busta Douglas. He had that mental attitude and belief that he couldn't be beat. Every athlete knows it takes mental and physical training to succeed, and for a while he had an unshakable ego. In this case of him losing to Douglas, I think Douglas belief and Faith to win was on a higher level than Tyson's. Therefor his thoughts had an higher influence on the outcome then Tyson's did.
Point is you attract what you want in your reality. For instance your a skeptic on this TK thing so you may always attract those who cant produce such things on a constant basis. Also you could be influencing opposing energy towards that person being that your skeptical, and if the person's Mind power, manipulation abilities, Faith, and concentration can not over ride that influence. Then your reality will turn out on top, i.e your the winner. Yes a persons negative thoughts could slightly or seriously hinder another persons process, depending on how well skilled he/she is with TK.
QuoteI don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority
QuoteI still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.
There could be many reason for this. Maybe those who can produce this kind of ability on a high level, if they are out there, state of conscious must operate on a higher level then ours. In other words he/she may find it somewhat erroneous to go out and prove it to the world knowing that somehow there will always be skeptics even after the demonstration. So what then is the point? Some will believe it, others will dismiss it as some kind of trick or whatever and the one performing it may be ridicule for it or scold.
I know if I would to develop to such a level I wouldn't show the whole world either out of fear that I may not live a more normal life or be accepted. People will be bugging me for explanations and the government may want to run testes and I will probably not live peacefully. I have should a few people my limited abilities of this TK, moving the pendent and sliding a pencil across the table. They always accused me of cheating somehow. Some believe I was for real, those who believe in the psychic occult anyways.
Also there are many vids on the net of such limiting abilities of TK. If you haven't seen any look them up :wink:. Also I think TK requires a certain level of mind prowess. Here are some things I know is needed:
1 - Concentration
2 - Focus, no distractions
3 - Unshakable belief that you can do it and already have
4 - True and Absolute Faith
5 - Manipulation of the Energies; influencing and controlling the energies
It takes trial and effort to find that perfect combination of mind, body, energy, belief and thoughts to bring out telekinetic powers in most people. Also just because one may hit upon the right combination today, it doesn't mean you will be able to hit that exact same combination tomorrow if the combination the produce such event was not fully realised or understood. Using the above 5 rules, I was able to replicate it say 6/10 roughly.. I guess that could be cause I am being hindered by the influences of skeptics or something or maybe I have yet to fully realise to right combonation required to bring full TK and 100% of the time. However, the big thing is to not get discouraged if it doesn't work for you in the first few tries. Rarely does it ever work for anyone in the first 100 attempts and it is not unusual for it to take several thousand attempts before a person sees the first results. This is because everyone is different and some may be more in tune to the energies in such a way that they can harness it to pull it off, while another struggles for months and even if one produces results, rarely would it be replicated so quickly the next time. I've noticed this myself, although I also noticed that it came a lot quicker the second and third time than it did the first time.
QuoteMy problem isn't about TK, it's about beliefs. I can believe that superman is real with my whole heart. I can believe that Christianity is the one true religion. I can believe that a war in Iraq is good for the world. The 100% belief in no way makes these things true.
When people die for their beliefs, it's because they believe it with their whole heart. Take a step back a look at people who live by their beliefs vs. people that live by their ideals. Beliefs turn people's lives into self-created illusions.
I see what your saying. I don't think belief alone will produce TK. There must be other requirements along with belief, however disbelief will greatly hinder your developing of TK. Besides it must be more of an "I KNOW" thing, not I believe. You must know you can perform TK not just simply believe you can. Belief operates on more than one level. It could create your reality or illusions depending on how it is used. You should start out with the belief that you "CAN" do it. Then that belief must evolve into "Now I KNOW I can do this".
Sometimes it is very difficult to explain things, especially when there are many people searching for the opposing evidence that such things don't exist or work. Many things/events occur without an explanation, which the majority of us look for in order to determine the direction of their belief. Once someone cant explain something, it becomes unbelievable. I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. However if you wish to simply prove it works, just do what I did. Put at least 15 - 30 minutes aside during your day for practice. If you are interested in practice I wouldn't mind sharing a couple of books I have with you..
QuoteI still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.
Well, I would be more than delighted to show you myself, but I'm sure i live nowhere close to you, and if i made a video (no matter what the object being moved was) it was just continue to be shot down like the hundreds that already exist and the hundreds that will be. I'm not saying that you would put me down, because I know you're pretty cool person from previous conversations, but I know most people would say that I was using a magnet or it was the heat in my hands or a rouge hair from my head happened to fall on the object causing some kind of circular motion, or some sort of centrifugal force for extended periods of time; whatever the case may be. You can't force someone to believe, you simply cannot. If you can believe that anything really is possible, then you have an open mind, a TRULY open mind, and that is an amazing thing to have! They never thought it was possible for people to fly in the air, and people that attempted it were deemed crazy, and some even insane. But they worked relentlessly and firmly believed. No one else in the world believed it to ever be possible, but they continued to strive for their goal and in the end they had their success, their dream. They believed, and look at us now. Airplanes are one of our major people-movers, and happens to be one of the safest ways to travel. If you believe or not is up to you, but as for me, I really do believe in anything, and everything and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Quoteif i made a video (no matter what the object being moved was) it was just continue to be shot down like the hundreds that already exist and the hundreds that will be.
Exactly, thats why I don't bother with vids or even in person for that matter. Certain people with an open mind, I wouldn't mind demonstrating the small abilities I currently have although I prefer to wait until I reach a state where I can perform consistently. People who are highly skeptical will look for any means of logical evidence to dismiss the ability. Everyone operates under the "Law of Attraction" including skeptics. Thus they will attract all the logical and scientific evidence they believe will dismiss this whole thing as a hoax. Thus, in their reality they are right. The evidence they find convinces them beyond doubt that such abilities are impossible, and this can happen vice versa to those seeking the truth of such phenomenon. That right there is what I meant by belief being the first step. Of course belief alone will not produce the event to occur. It needs to be within the required combonation in order to pull off. The biggest areas we should work on at the moment is "Belief" and "Faith".
QuoteI still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.
What I meant was there wasn't a bunch of people displaying it publically. Thats what I meant by the "majority". There are some minor vids though. Check the net, heres one:
Nina Kulagina (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61RptUUEqU)
and I cant wait to see how many of yous will chop this up to be some bull crap :-D..
I'm sorry, I should know better than to get involved in a TK thread. My apologies. Practice On!
QuoteI'm sorry, I should know better than to get involved in a TK thread. My apologies. Practice On!
Not to sound like a suck up but I dont think there is really anything you need to apologize for :wink:. Your simply giving your own views and beliefs or disbeliefs on the matter just like everyone else.
Thanks Baki. I just have the same opinion on it every time it comes up and really have nothing new to say. As an afterthought I didn't think it was fair to lean in one direction or another. You guys should be able to openly discuss TK. Hey, If I knew I could do it, you know I would! :)
I understand :wink:
Baha stookie ^_^ Those GD tk posts. I like hearing what you have to say, so don't apologize for speaking your mind, continue to do so.
And for Baki,
Nina is old school. There is this guy on youtube (and he has some little yahoo tk group or something) but his video's are pretty cool. He's got cool idea's tool, and he tries to accommodate to his skeptics by moving things a certain way, how they ask him to, stuff like that. I haven't watched them all, but the one's that i have seen are pretty nifty. Here is his youtube profile: http://www.youtube.com/godspeed09