A very interesting topic really. I'm having a bit of trouble finding good websites etc. on this. I've heard from one friend of mine that he actually DID teleport about a foot's distance before and that he felt like he was going to throw up. I want to gain this ability and I think it's possible.
Resources are GREATLY appreciated, share your views, beliefs, and methods here. Discuss!
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I don't believe we as human beings have the abilitie to achieve physical teleportation/flying,etc without the help of other astral entities, mainly through the act of witchcraft. And even if you went down that road-which i dont recommend-it's not that easy to achieve the "privilege" to teleport or fly physicaly.
I think you should read about and experience the astral plane first. Maybe then you'll find a way to achieve your goal.
good luck.
:-PI would actually never consider witch craft...it's too dangerous. However, why do you think the astral plane has anything to do with it?
I think one major scientific theory for teleportation depends on a multidimensional universe. The "stuff" that holds matter together would have to be able to disassemble and reassemble the cellular structure, as well as transfer consciousness, neither of which are physically possible.
So if you have complete quantum mastery over your cellular structure and are confident you can make it reassemble correctly where you intend for it to, go for it! Sounds simple enough. In theory.
QuoteI think one major scientific theory for teleportation depends on a multidimensional universe. The "stuff" that holds matter together would have to be able to disassemble and reassemble the cellular structure, as well as transfer consciousness, neither of which are physically possible.
So if you have complete quantum mastery over your cellular structure and are confident you can make it reassemble correctly where you intend for it to, go for it! Sounds simple enough. In theory.
uh english please lol
Quote from: Stookie on September 11, 2008, 11:25:31
I think one major scientific theory for teleportation depends on a multidimensional universe. The "stuff" that holds matter together would have to be able to disassemble and reassemble the cellular structure, as well as transfer consciousness, neither of which are physically possible.
So if you have complete quantum mastery over your cellular structure and are confident you can make it reassemble correctly where you intend for it to, go for it! Sounds simple enough. In theory.
There is always the problem of energy. Both in the quantity of energy you will need and the efficiency. You never get something for nothing.
Eg. Lets say that it will take 1 joule of energy to move an orange three meters to the left, but it will take 1 billion joules of energy to teleport it 3 meters to the left. Not very efficient is it? :)
Oh gosh you guys are confusing! @_@ Can someone PLEASE explain what you guys are saying in english?
I think what they're saying it teleportation is too hard.
I don't think it could be too hard, I know ppl who've done it...so it has to be possible...I just need a method to work from.
If you know people who can do it, you're already ahead of the game. They should share their experience and know-how with the rest of us. They could revolutionize the world.
He's kind of....unwilling to tell me how to do it. He said he did it once about a foot's distance and he felt like he was gonna throw up.
Aren't there any other resources?
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Quote from: CamiGurlRox on September 15, 2008, 16:08:28
...unwilling to tell me how to do it.
Ah, off course. :-)
He gets annoyed whenever I ask him...There's gotta be someone in this godforsaken forum who knows...
Nope, but I can sell you plans for a time machine made out of a delorean.
:lol: @ stookie
I would be extremely surprised if somebody actually come forward AND then PROVED they teleported even one centimeter! Stupendously surprised in fact.
Not because I discount the remote possibility that somebody somewhere on this primitive planet can do it, but that they would be browsing this forum at this point in time...
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Heh. Really! I would LOVE to see someone teleport! :-D It would definately change the world. But, I think some situation like in the movie "Jumper" would happen.
I heard worm holes are very violent.... :P
Yes I have been interested in this also and have not been able to find much about it. I heard about how the U.S air force is going to be doing research on it and is pouring 7.5 million dollars into it. I would definitely not be so quick to dismiss it. I was even reading the official air force report which is pretty hard to comprehend with allot of highly technical language in it. I read that the Chinese where doing experiments having children teleport small objects out of container and the objects would get fused into the side of the container. I think it is an exciting prospect though, :-D I mean imagine being able to teleport anywhere on earth or beyond!
Yeah! I saw that reaport too...but I couldn't understand it @_@
The whold fusing thing is kind of scary though.... O_O
Plus, I have a lot of people I want to see, I hope I can find some more information on this.... *sigh*
I believe your thinking about this:
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS156848+07-Aug-2008+PRN20080807
It has nothing to do with teleportation - a "teleport" allows warships to communicate over different satellite bands.
The last thing the air force had to do with teleportation was a small study. Here's a funny quote about it:
"Michio Kaku, a noted physicist and author at City University of New York, said "the only way to use (teleportation) as a secret weapon is to allow our enemies to bankrupt themselves thinking they can produce a teleportation machine."
"The Air Force is to be applauded for investigating technologies that may have value for national security," Kaku added. "But wormholes, negative energies, warped space-time, etc., require futuristic technologies centuries to millions of years ahead of ours. The only thing going down the wormhole is taxpayers' money." "
found here: http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/30/us-air-forces-telepo.html
Yea, I was actually referring to the air forces study on psychic teleportation and not the satellite stuff. Here is a little something about it from about.com http://paranormal.about.com/od/telekinesispsychokinesis/a/aa110804.htm and you can download the air forces 88 page report in .pdf format from a link on that page. I think the focus here is on unlocking some power of the mind that could perhaps tap into a persons ability to teleport objects (including your own self) from one point to another. Based on things I have read about paranormal phenomenon I actually don't think that it is necessarily an impossible notion. I think that a well focused and disciplined mind can be capable of astonishing feats and that it is in the best interest of any military force to not neglect that realm of potential. If it it is possible then it probably would require a huge amount of spiritual development though.
I read in Focus magazine not long ago that scientists have been able to do this to a single particle to the otherside of their science lab. It also said in the article that to teleport a person, it would take something like 200,000 Billion years.
So its technically possible LOL.
There is a elderly Russian man named Nikolay Denisov, who lives in Moscow that has been raising some interest in the subject. Put his name in google and you will find plenty of information on him, videos of his sessions and information. Nothing too exciting, naturally, but he claims to be able to teleport items. I don't think he claims to have teleported a human yet, but he believes it is possible. He seems to be genuinely interested only in helping people learn this skill of his. You can email him and talk to him, ask him all kinds of questions that you might have about the subject. He even offers sessions and discussions to groups via skype, all free of charge of course. He's really quite a nice man, and he has some very interesting perspectives. Look him up if you like.
Quote from: Tongo on September 25, 2008, 09:24:20It also said in the article that to teleport a person, it would take something like 200,000 Billion years.
So its technically possible LOL.
@_@ 200,000 billion years!!! Somehow I don't think it will take that long... >_>
Scientists wouldn't let it take that long, they just wouldn't. I mean, the world will most likely be nonexistant by then...the sun would've supernovaed lol
QuoteThere is a elderly Russian man named Nikolay Denisov
But I saw that guy you were talking about on youtube, I got bored though so I may go back and watch it...lol
I'm even more ambitious, I'd like to be able to bend time & space like Hiro from Heroes lol
How cool would that be if you could stop time and have a long-lie in bed then buzz back through time to Atlantis and still be at work on time
If anyone knows how to do this let me know mucho pronto
I see that guy Nikolay Denisov says he teaches for free if I thought it was gen & safe to do, I'd be tempted to go and learn from him
Does he teach teleportation by email or anything like that?
I went and checked out more on this Nikolay Denisov fellow. I looked at his UTUBE interivew vids but I be honest I have serious trouble understanding him or the interviewer. Although they are talking english, their accents keep me guessing what words there actually saying.
I also done a quick search for any pages about him rather than videos but couldnt find much at all.
Anyone got any pages about him (no vids of him trying to talk English pls lol)
Does anyone know what his basic idea of achieving this is? I'm very skeptical of this actually but its worth at least checking out.
Quote from: 007 on September 26, 2008, 11:36:31
Does he teach teleportation by email or anything like that?
If you e-mail him, I'm sure he would be happy to answer any questions you have, he's always gotten back to me within 2 to 3 days, and his written English is easier to understand than his spoken English. I haven't attempted to e-mail him in quite a while, only because I realized that I don't want to have so much on my plate that I can't eat it all, if you know what I mean. As I mentioned above, I believe that he does offer "lessons" via skype, but again, it has been a while since I have talked with him. Also, like I mentioned above, only a quick google search away and you can find his videos and his website. However it you're not feeling up to the chore, here it is:
http://goldray.narod.ru/
Click on the bottom left where it says <<<ENG for the english version of the site, and RUS>>> for the Russian version. He focuses primarily on teleportation and what he calls "seeing with the eyes closed" which I believe we would call remote-viewing. There is a link at the bottom of the screen for e-mail.
His video's do tend to be quite a bore, but he's the only person that I know of that does what he does and offers all of his information freely, so he really has nothing to gain by answering anyones questions, which is why I believe he's just genuinely interested in trying to help people understand. Like I said though, it's just not for me; not right now anyways. I'd just like to work on one or two things at a time, and even if I stopped everything else I was working on, teleportation in itself would probably fill up more plates than I could eat. Perhaps you feel differently though, so give it a go and keep me up-to-date on your progress.
All the Best,
Chris
I think what he needs to do is list a very basic and understandable method to do it with a simple page of writing. I have come across a blog on him: http://teleportation-101.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=46 if you go to the 2nd utube video on there it has a online teaching, but trouble is again its hard to understand them plus there often seems to be some sound interfearance coming in and out.
If you notice at the end, the young lad on the bottom right says he has more coins since doing the exercise. I cant help thinking he's a plant like perhaps someone just pretending to say it worked to get people more interested or something so in the long run will take other courses where you pay.
Check out the tutorial videos guys and tell me what you think (if you can understand it) but I have the basic idea of the concept which seems to be familiarity with the object and somehow harnessing the feeling of the object and the energy intention and letting this happen thought the crown chakra then letting it "teleport" somewhere. I still cant help thinking; "surely it cant be this simple!"
I didn't think I would stir up this much interest! :D Yay me!!! :wink:
I saw an interview a couple days ago with a guy working at CERN on the collider. They asked him what they could get out of it and he said (in a kind-of-serious way): teleportation
I spent a while clicking through links and looking through the blogs and websites related to Nikolay Denisov
I notice it said he is charging for his lessons now
I can't remember how much it was, it wasn't an obscene amount but still a lot if you're not sure if it will work & you're just trying it out
If you could either
a)stop time, i.e. stop time and do stuff while the world stood still
b)time travel
c)teleport
which would you choose?
Quote from: 007 on September 30, 2008, 18:40:05
I spent a while clicking through links and looking through the blogs and websites related to Nikolay Denisov
I notice it said he is charging for his lessons now
I can't remember how much it was, it wasn't an obscene amount but still a lot if you're not sure if it will work & you're just trying it out
If you could either
a)stop time, i.e. stop time and do stuff while the world stood still
b)time travel
c)teleport
which would you choose?
I would choose teleportation! Time travel is so dangerous!
Have you ever seen that episode of twilight zone when time stands still and the guy has time to read all his books or something? lol...seriously...If I could stop time, I would end up prolonging my life to the point where I'd be extremely depressed....although there are good effects to it. As for time travel, abosolutely not, I might alter the course of history in some god forsaken way and end up not being born or mutated or something. O_o
But yeah...teleportation for sure! :wink:
If you could stop time, you would think you could alter it in other ways too, like making it faster or slowing it down. You could get through a church service really fast! I think I want that one. And instead of teleporting, you could stop time and get where you want over a few months (take your time - you have it), and start it up again.
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Actually (as a huge TZ fan), there was a nuclear explosion while he was in a bank vault reading, and when he got out, everyone was gone and he had all the time in the world to read.
And then he broke his glasses.
You say he is charging for his lessons now? do you have any links as to where it mentions this online? please give me 1 or 2 if possible.
If he is charging now I think he'd obviously be more pressured to show actual no messing around teleportation. With this in mind, it makes me think his claims have to be genuine as it would only be a very short time before his students will be pressuring him to show exackly what he is talking about. It isnt like you can dally around the actual goal of the course and not actually have an obvious test done in front of each class. What you all think of this?
And about the Q......i'd Time Travel :-D
It says so at http://teleportation-101.blogspot.com/
at least it says he is charging for seeing with eyes closed which seems to be required to learn the teleportation
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Denisov says that he would recommend first taking Vision (with eyes covered) training from him for 2 sets of 5 days. It's 2 hours per day -- and believe me it's two very intense hours! The cost is 500 Euro per 5 day course. It's the same price that Russians pay for Denisov Vision training.
After 5 days you (or most of you) will beging to see something with your eyes covered. In another 5 days you will read text. Some of you will read small print and some will see only big characters.
It'd be good too if you could do like RV but read text, would that mean you could read the winning lottery numbers which you're going to write down in the future??
but it also says,
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we talked about goals of our Teleportation Research project. We believe that it would be nice to promote Teleportation research with some kind of scientific program. Would be nice to find financing for 1 year reseach project (pay to staff, pay to teleportation practitioners).
that would be wicked, being involved in teleportation research!
I'd choose to stop time, I love it in Heroes when Hiro stops time :-D
QuoteIf you could stop time, you would think you could alter it in other ways too, like making it faster or slowing it down. You could get through a church service really fast! I think I want that one. And instead of teleporting, you could stop time and get where you want over a few months (take your time - you have it), and start it up again.
OMG HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE MOVIE 'CLICK'?!?!?! .....butterfly effect man....really... :-P
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It isnt like you can dally around the actual goal of the course and not actually have an obvious test done in front of each class.
Exactly, I wouldnt' join his course if there wasn't a genuine demonstration of it...
Anyone tried these vision whilst ones eyes are closed? is it real? can you really see anything in front of you while your eyes are closed? also - why must this skill be utilized before one can teleport things?
Also ....has anyone got any exercizes? (possibly the same ones that this Russian guy teaches) to make one able to see when their eyes are closed? links to any tutorials if you happen to know of any. TY.
(Read above) So.....anyone? (sry just trying to keep this number 1 for now.
I think the safest way to teleport woldbe to raise your vibrations of the physical body. Dont ask me how to do it cause Im still trying to figure it out. I hear that if you could raise it to the level of astral or etheric then you could go anywhere the mind can go. Then vala, your there!
This I assume takes Mind - Body and Spirit unity to a level superhuman cause it is not obtainable to normal human conscious or concentration. You will need to go beyond it. Some yogis are able to perfom Teleportation as well as some form of time stoping - but I think that is the stoping of their perception of time and not general time (evenes time).
I have Commander X's manuals on this called "Teleportation How to Guide : From Star Trek to Tesla ". I know many say that it isn't worth spit, but for those who believe it could offer some ideas or jogg someform of inspiration know how. I dunno, try it.
From what I can gather and have been told. Most if not all humans just dont have enough chi to teleport properly. Well with out an anchor that is. You would need god like chi or end up splinched. but if you do have an anchor, well that is a different story that I know very little about.
Quote from: Baki Hanma on November 28, 2008, 08:12:31
Some yogis are able to perfom Teleportation as well as some form of time stoping - but I think that is the stoping of their perception of time and not general time (evenes time).
Come on Baki Hanma you saying some people can teleport their body? lets get real here, where have you heard such a claim?
Quote from: Tongo on December 03, 2008, 01:00:29
Come on Baki Hanma you saying some people can teleport their body? lets get real here, where have you heard such a claim?
Didnt hear, read it :-D. In any case thats what was written and dont ask me were I read it cause I dont rememeber. It was a while a go. Personally Im not to sure if they achieved physical teleportation. I was easily convinced that the teleportation spoke of was of an astral form or some type of OBE projection.
Teleportation may not be within human ability because it requires a state of concentration that is more or less inhuman. It isnt something that is done easily or simply. In anycase, though I believe it can be done, the problem is people dont know how it is done or how to perform it.
I speculate that there are several factors involved in this, and I will use the computer as a model to illustrate my point.
First, you need enough memory to store your entire self-image. Second, you need to have a bus ( in computer terms, this is the pathway that information uses to read and write to memory) that has the capacity to transmit all that data outside of the Universe within a reasonable amount of time- otherwise it really would take 200 trillion years! Third, you need to be able to perceive yourself from outside the Universe. You are NOT your image. Your image is merely an avatar, a representation of who you are in the physical world.
I think the process would be to first write your self-image to memory. Then you need to make sure that you have the capacity to relay all of that information to your Self as it exists outside of space-time, with instructions to take yourself outside the Universe and then re-insert yourself to the desired coordinates. Those coordinates must be completely unoccupied in order for a successful teleportation to take place. I am not sure how this would be achieved, but I'm sure someone will come up with a way, eventually. Some of the laws of physics will have to be bent, such as what happens when you insert your body into a total vacuum (you start bleeding out of your pores and if the vacuum is strong enough you could explode).
There is a first-person shooter game called Marathon (which has a really cool plot, by the way), in which the player is a security guard aboard a starship that has been taken over by unknown hostile alien forces. In the game, you save your progress at pattern buffers (save stations). Your ability to come back after you die is explained in the game. The pattern buffer takes a snapshot of your physical body and re-creates you. However, you pop back in at the exact moment you stored your pattern, and that part isn't explained so well. In any case, my point is that in order for your consciousness to be re-inserted, it has to be aware of what is going on with your physical body. So I theorize that in the game, your consciousness has access, or at least a connection to, the pattern buffer.
I am not sure whether an external device is necessary to teleport or not. While relaying the information to your spirit body is probably a good idea, I am not sure if one's spirit body is capable of altering material substance from the Outside. It is obvious that we exist within our physical bodies for a reason, and perhaps part of our task here on earth is to learn how to connect with our physical bodies in as many ways as possible so that information can be exchanged to the point where the spirit-body is completely reintegrated with the physical body in a way that allows it to do with the physical body all the things it can in the spirit world.
I hope I'm making sense here, there are probably more points I need to explain.
I think the subconscious and or other spiritual bodies do a lot of the work for us once we have a strong intent. I'm sure if someone really intended to teleport and they worked hard enough on it it would come true. All these complicated methods.....it feels like people trying to explain what it would take to transfer consciousness and fly around the world (astral projection) before they knew what it was. I think we just don't know enough yet.
I think
QuoteI think we just don't know enough yet.
And that is the reason why many of these abilities are outside our reach. If you know you can teleport, you will. Theres no need for the complicated or scientific explinations. Science studies the surface, and how things works from there on. They dont have the technology or knowledge to go deeper. Therefore people who place all their Faith in science will only achieve what science says is possible.
Many things we enjoy where at one point thought to be impossible and yet we take them for granted now. In the future, I bet teleportation will be achieved. And the people pf that era will know how to teleport and explain it as we are unable to today. They would probably also realise that we had the ability all along. We just never realised it cause we never believed in it. And we never believed in it because we werent able to explain it or see how it would even be possible.
So would you rather wait for someone else to discover it or achieve it so they can explain it to you - to give you your Faith in it's reality, which could take decades if not beyond your life time (meaning Im not sure). Or will you rather go at it on your own Faith, desire, will and ambition?
Nice topic!
Maybe teleportation is possible even today, it has been used in the past and the principle is very simple, I would love to speak about it one day, it is simply unimaginable.
Ok I got this out of focus magazine (sept 08 issue):
Scientists have teleported a few subatomic particles a short distance across their lab. Teleporting every atom in the human body and then reassembling them in the right order is slightly harder. There are 1028 atoms in the average person. Let's say (conservatively) that recording the state of each atom requires just one bit of data. Even with 8-meg broadband, transmitting your entire body is going to take around 40,000 billion years.
lol kinda impractical eh.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on December 20, 2008, 06:34:34
Nice topic!
Maybe teleportation is possible even today, it has been used in the past and the principle is very simple, I would love to speak about it one day, it is simply unimaginable.
Its one of my goals and Im not going to just sit around and wait for someone else to discover a scientific way or proof that it is possible or can be done :-D.
Quote from: SkepticBoy on December 20, 2008, 08:27:53
Ok I got this out of focus magazine (sept 08 issue):
Scientists have teleported a few subatomic particles a short distance across their lab. Teleporting every atom in the human body and then reassembling them in the right order is slightly harder. There are 1028 atoms in the average person. Let's say (conservatively) that recording the state of each atom requires just one bit of data. Even with 8-meg broadband, transmitting your entire body is going to take around 40,000 billion years.
lol kinda impractical eh.
I could be wrong, but didn't they only duplicate the quantum state of a photon in the lab? :|
I admit it would be damn cool, but: Breaking down the human body to the atomic level, transmitting the particles and reassembling them correctly without killing you will take such a ridiculous amount of energy and processing power that it is truly in the realm of fantasy. Not to mention the problem of what will happen to your energy bodies...
It will probably be vastly easier and far more energy efficient to open a freakin' personal wormhole and stepping through that with your body intact.
Yes, I know the body can be seen as just an illusion, but this universe has laws that aren't easily broken. Breaking these laws of physics must come with a price.
Ah, wormhole eh...
Like the Jumper movie. O_O
So, how would one go about opening a wormhole.... :|
Anything is possible.... :-D
I just felt like saying that :-D Carry on
Hi, I was just browsing the subjects here when I came across this discussion about teleportation. It reminded me of an article I read this A.M. on www.foxnews.com in their Scitech section relative to the subject. It really gets technical---but informative.
Yeah, I think I saw that as well. They've only done like 1 electron across a room or something.
But at least it was an electron. They've only done it with photons before.
Yeah, but apparently we were supposed to be teleporting OURSELVES by now...
QuoteSo, how would one go about opening a wormhole....
I may just have the answer. I dreamt about a 'warp gate' some years ago that was built on the other end of this galaxy. The humanoids designed it as a way of sending objects between star systems, avoiding the long shipping times of space flight. They put gates in a few star systems for testing. When two gates are activated, they 'close the distance' so you can throw an object in one gate and it will come out the other. This was useful because it circumvented the speed of light. An object could cross light-years in a very short time. It isn't traveling faster than light, but simply crossing a warped distance.
I remember it looked like the Hadron Collider.
I later met someone who described a similar 'warp gate' from a dream - it was exactly like the one I saw, and worked the same, but he got to talk to the humanoids personally and they gave a more detailed explanation. The gates used electromagnets attached to a series of rods, all arranged in circles that would spin around so the magnets would oppose each other and change polarity rapidly. (he had trouble describing it) The gates were then powered with extreme energy so the magnets would create a gravitational warp similar to that of a star or a black hole.
Apparently, activating
one gate would make a warp with no effect, but activating
two would cause the warps to connect and form a tunnel. If I'm correct, the gates could only shorten distances based on how much energy was used. For example you could turn 5 miles into 5 feet with moderate energy, but less energy would only shorten 5 miles to 50 feet, which is less useful. To close a distance between star systems required some extreme energy.
So I guess that's it. Extreme magnetism. I'm sure spirits use similar methods to teleport around.
Quote from: seth_w on September 23, 2008, 13:14:21
I read that the Chinese where doing experiments having children teleport small objects out of container and the objects would get fused into the side of the container. I think it is an exciting prospect though, :-D I mean imagine being able to teleport anywhere on earth or beyond!
This reminds me of the Montauk Project. Or I've heard some call it the Philadelphia Project. Supposedly Einstein and a few others were working with the navy on teleportation. Their experiment went something along the lines of surrounding a naval ship (with men on it) with an electromagnetic field, I think in an attempt to keep everything intact while sending them through a worm hole or somewhere around the Bermuda Triangle. They appeared for a brief moment at the coast of New York, and then back where they started. Though, most of their bodies were sort of molded to each others' as well as to the ship, as if their molecules had all scrambled. Maybe because the surrounding electromagnetic field didn't work properly to keep their bodies intact through gravitain against the vaccuum-like space they were traveling through. Or maybe there wasn't a second worm hole or portal open where they were attempting to teleport to. I'm not sure, its interesting enough, I just don't know enough about it
It seems like the geometry of a movement pattern plays a big role in matters of energy. Magnets rotating in a circular pattern produces an electric current that runs perpendicular to the circle. I wonder what would happen if you made a magnet in the shape of a mobius strip, or moved it in such a pattern rapidly.
Quote from: zareste on February 14, 2009, 23:11:00
I may just have the answer. I dreamt about a 'warp gate' some years ago that was built on the other end of this galaxy. The humanoids designed it as a way of sending objects between star systems, avoiding the long shipping times of space flight. They put gates in a few star systems for testing. When two gates are activated, they 'close the distance' so you can throw an object in one gate and it will come out the other. This was useful because it circumvented the speed of light. An object could cross light-years in a very short time. It isn't traveling faster than light, but simply crossing a warped distance.
LOL!! sounds like you've watched too many Star Trek episodes.
These are all interesting prospects, but none of them are accessible to average people...That's the problem.
Quote from: seth_w on September 23, 2008, 19:14:21
I read that the Chinese where doing experiments having children teleport small objects out of container and the objects would get fused into the side of the container. I think it is an exciting prospect though, grin I mean imagine being able to teleport anywhere on earth or beyond!
Anyone have any more info on this please.
I came across this topic and noticed many of you are having difficulties understanding their translations, and I don't blame you. But seeing as I speak both Russian and English fluently, I feel obligated to provide a proper translation of his method.
He divides his method into two segments: Creating the model, and using your energy to power it.
You must pick an object and familiarize yourself with it. (The example he uses is a coin). Know its size, shape, color, texture, smell, taste, etc. The more information you have, the better. The idea is to get the object embedded into your subconscious. Next, you must pick an origin from which you will teleport your object from. He recommends using a place where you know there are currently many coins. Then you must decide on a destination. He recommends using a place that is already a common destination for your object in your subconscious (ie. your pockets, wallet, purse, etc. because you generally put coins there when you receive them as change, and this is a subconscious act).
Now that you have created your model, time to make it happen. Take as much energy as you can from your body (and possibly other sources, though that was not mentioned) and gather it in your solar plexus, which is located just below the ribs. Once you have enough, (the more the better) fire it out of your head chakra. It is important to understand that unlike the rest of your chakras, your head chakra is open to the world; it is a connection between you and the outside. You will be firing your energy through your head chakra into a vortex above your head. When you blast this energy through your head, your consciousness will attach itself to the energy. It was _heavily emphasized_ (and quite unclear in the translation) that the energy in the vortex must be spinning very fast with an extremely high frequency. In other words, it must be very powerful. Then, the vortex must be directed to locate the object and "suck up" it's energy into the vortex. Once you feel that this has happened, you must _drop_ the vortex back into your body, allowing your own energy to disperse and the energy of the coin to be directed (through your subconscious) to the desired destination. It is important to note that when your energy leaves your head, it must shoot out, not merely flow out and it must plunge back into you, not just casually re-enter. This emphasizes the strength required in realizing the model.
And that's all he really says. I shall be practicing this in the near future. I ask anyone with positive results to report back to this thread.
Thanks!
Awesome translation thanks! :-D
i really want to do it its just that idk if its possible to do it but you never know it maybe will happen
Has anyone looked into this anymore lately? I have been checking out Nikolai Denisov's vids of people in his online lessons and who claim to be successful. I cant help thinking though that these people know him or something and are pretending to have success so he will look genuine and the fact that he says no scientists want to test his claims makes me thinking somethings not right here.
Anyone else have any views on this all?
After reading all of the posts on this topic I would have to say that zpr and Zareste are on the right track.
Zareste refers to 'warp gates' or what I like to call stargates. Anyone who has seen the show is familiar with how they function.
Zpr talks about how to Teleport objects using only our thoughts from one location to another based on Russian experimental research.
However, both of these techniques don't explain how to instantly Teleport people from one point in space to another... which is what I am interested in learning how to do. From what I understand the Russian and American governments are the only ones that know how to do this by reverse engineering alien technology from UFOs. Obviously using the technology is simple but recreating it is another thing.
So, for now I would have to say that our physical bodies are not capable of Teleportation by using our thoughts. But as time progresses and are planet enters areas of space with higher vibrational frequencies (2012?) the pattern of our DNA may change and allow for things like this and telekinesis and many other abilities to manifest.
I am actually taking a class with a famous metaphyscian, and we discussed teleportation for at least a full day's worth this week, lol. Most experts (Parfit, Swinburne, etc) who have written about teleportation seem to feel that if we are talking about "scientific" teleportation, that it is not so much a way of traveling, but a sophisticed way of dying, lol.
It gets into questions of how personal identity is defined, and if our personal bodily stream of consciousness can survive our body being disbanded, and reassembled elsewhere, or scanned and replicated, as some proposed in science fiction. I recall a joke in the original Star Trek where captain Kirk relies on this concept, thinking of it as a way for his current ego to commit suicide, without depriving the crew of its captain, lol.
There are actually some who feel that the idea of self is an illusion, much as Siddhartha claimed, mediated by having memories of our past actions; these people would say that we are in effect not much different from a clone who was created on the spot, and given a history of memories and thoughts, for all the sense of self we have. Such people feel that we would survive a teleportation session, but in the same sense that a person whose sense of self is purely dependent on their memories does.
I tend to think that people have an immaterial mediating element of some sort, because of other metaphysical issues that otherwise arise, so these questions are mostly moot to me, as they are questions for materialists and physicalists to ask themselves, but the question of whether our awareness would follow with the teleported copy is still difficult to answer.
I'm curious to know what the famous metaphyscian thought about physical body Teleportation. He probably went into detail about how non-physical Teleportation works, which is very important if we are to understand how this all fits together. In my previous post I said that our physical bodies are not yet 'ready' to be able to do this type of Teleportation, or it may be that the space around our solar system does not allow for physical Teleportation. Because I think by now people would have seen more people teleporting...
QuoteI'm curious to know what the famous metaphyscian thought about physical body Teleportation. He probably went into detail about how non-physical Teleportation works, which is very important if we are to understand how this all fits together. In my previous post I said that our physical bodies are not yet 'ready' to be able to do this type of Teleportation, or it may be that the space around our solar system does not allow for physical Teleportation. Because I think by now people would have seen more people teleporting...
I mean metaphyscian in the philosophical sense. The issues we were concerned with deal with how our personal identity and perspective is maintained. The type of teleportation that is relevant here is a process that is performed on an individual by a device, one that is now theoretical, but whose principles are fully understood, and can take one of two forms. The first is to physically deconstruct an individual, taking care to create a detailed map of the individual's atomic structure which is used to later reconstruct them again when the atoms or energy stream arrives at the destination. The other is similarly to deconstruct them while again scanning, and use other matter at the arrival site to rebuild a replica of the person. Both methods require destroying the original person, because supposedly the Heisenberg uncertainty princeple would prevent one from obtaining a scan of every atom's position without altering molecular bonds to the point of breaking them, and dissolving the person. So either way, the original person is destroyed, and one method involves rebuilding them with the same material.
Most people feel scientific teleportation in this manner will kill a person, and merely provide a replica of their body on the site of arrival. The interesting thing is that some experts believe that this would not make any difference to our own perception of our self, and that we would have the experience of leaving and arriving, as it is only our memories that provide a sense of identity, they argue, and that the replica of us who arrives is no different from the person who you are now, who inherited a physical form with memories from your self of ten minutes ago, just as the replicant would have.
This particular Metaphyscian doesn't himself proclaim that non-physical teleportation is possible, because, of all things, he feels that humans are fully material beings, with no immaterial element, and that God will reincarnate people by providing them with a new physical body, but that they temporarily cease to exist while they have no form; although I am quite entertained by the fact that there are several Catholics in our class, who make no mistake about their stance against materialism pro-dualism, and who won't let him rest, lol- although to his credit, he entertains as possible, and marginally probable almost any notion people present him with, and confesses his tentative uncertainty with his own conclusions.
The writers that I know of who have addressed the problem are, Derek Parfit, Richard Swinburne, Saul Kripke, and Roderic Chisholm.
Swinburne is the only one of those I know that thinks of teleportation in an immaterialist way, but I think a couple of the others entertain the idea.
Here is my Prof's (Peter Van Inwagen) wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_van_Inwagen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_van_Inwagen)
Like I said, he believes some goofy things, but I have noticed that if you are involved with philosophy long enough, especially the contemporary stuff, you have heard semi-credible arguments for almost any conclusion, and have a tough time really fully believing anything without question.
The funny thing is that at the Planck scale every material system is being de-constructed and re-constructed again, about three tredecillion times per second. In this sense, everything is teleporting all the "time."
The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has been experimentally proven to be situation-dependent. Uncertainty cannot be applied, in any regard, to a beam of monochromatic photons, especially coherent ones, for example. The Nobel Prize winning exact measurements carried out by Hans Dehmelt upon an electron trapped (in a Paul trap) for three months also refutes its universal applicability. The key to transPlanckian transduction (teleportation) lies in causal mechanics, which requires a subquantum model of physics - something we are still lacking as long as we collectively continue to suckle upon the nipple of Einstein.
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Quote from: Stillwater on November 24, 2009, 22:27:53
I mean metaphyscian in the philosophical sense. The issues we were concerned with deal with how our personal identity and perspective is maintained. The type of teleportation that is relevant here is a process that is performed on an individual by a device, one that is now theoretical, but whose principles are fully understood, and can take one of two forms. The first is to physically deconstruct an individual, taking care to create a detailed map of the individual's atomic structure which is used to later reconstruct them again when the atoms or energy stream arrives at the destination. The other is similarly to deconstruct them while again scanning, and use other matter at the arrival site to rebuild a replica of the person. Both methods require destroying the original person, because supposedly the Heisenberg uncertainty princeple would prevent one from obtaining a scan of every atom's position without altering molecular bonds to the point of breaking them, and dissolving the person. So either way, the original person is destroyed, and one method involves rebuilding them with the same material.
Most people feel scientific teleportation in this manner will kill a person, and merely provide a replica of their body on the site of arrival. The interesting thing is that some experts believe that this would not make any difference to our own perception of our self, and that we would have the experience of leaving and arriving, as it is only our memories that provide a sense of identity, they argue, and that the replica of us who arrives is no different from the person who you are now, who inherited a physical form with memories from your self of ten minutes ago, just as the replicant would have.
This particular Metaphyscian doesn't himself proclaim that non-physical teleportation is possible, because, of all things, he feels that humans are fully material beings, with no immaterial element, and that God will reincarnate people by providing them with a new physical body, but that they temporarily cease to exist while they have no form; although I am quite entertained by the fact that there are several Catholics in our class, who make no mistake about their stance against materialism pro-dualism, and who won't let him rest, lol- although to his credit, he entertains as possible, and marginally probable almost any notion people present him with, and confesses his tentative uncertainty with his own conclusions.
The writers that I know of who have addressed the problem are, Derek Parfit, Richard Swinburne, Saul Kripke, and Roderic Chisholm.
Swinburne is the only one of those I know that thinks of teleportation in an immaterialist way, but I think a couple of the others entertain the idea.
Here is my Prof's (Peter Van Inwagen) wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_van_Inwagen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_van_Inwagen)
Like I said, he believes some goofy things, but I have noticed that if you are involved with philosophy long enough, especially the contemporary stuff, you have heard semi-credible arguments for almost any conclusion, and have a tough time really fully believing anything without question.
Quote from: Stillwater on November 24, 2009, 22:27:53
This particular Metaphyscian doesn't himself proclaim that non-physical teleportation is possible, because, of all things, he feels that humans are fully material beings, with no immaterial element, and that God will reincarnate people by providing them with a new physical body, but that they temporarily cease to exist while they have no form...
So, he's trying to say that we are not in control of our energy body once our biological physical body dies? And since we are fully material beings we have no energy body to begin with I guess...
Or is it more logical to assume the we are energy beings that inhabit physical bodies and have the ability to use these same energy bodies to 'teleport' to other dimensional planes by altering the frequency of our energy with our thoughts?
I believe that the top argument happens in parts of this universe where there are beings with extraordinary power that can control energy very well with there thoughts. But for the most part the second argument is what I believe to be the truth that makes up the majority of the universe.
QuoteSo, he's trying to say that we are not in control of our energy body once our biological physical body dies? And since we are fully material beings we have no energy body to begin with I guess...
Yeah, it's a funny idea, really. He feels that material can explain every aspect of ourselves proven to exist, and that furthermore, since our consciousness can be made to blank out completely (dreamless Delta sleep), and since it is shown to be so dependent on brain-states (if our brain is injured in certain ways we don't really do much thinking or experiencing at all), our mental world is completely brain-dependent. On the flipside, he feels that there are certain metaphysical issues that can only be resolved with the addition of an immaterial God. To be honest, I have never encountered another person with this combination of beliefs.
QuoteOr is it more logical to assume the we are energy beings that inhabit physical bodies
When you say more logical, what do you mean? what are your particular arguments here? I know of certain circumstances of the universe that seem to either force either this conclusion, or an extremely sophisticated version of materialism (panpsychism- all matter is self-aware), but I am curious to hear your particular arguments that you in turn feel force this conclusion in a logical way, which is an extremely strong case. I think the mental has been demonstrated to carry a certain fundamental primacy in the universe, but there are several means of bringing this primacy about, and to be honest, I am not 100% certain myself which in reality holds, although I have my bets too.
QuoteThe Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has been experimentally proven to be situation-dependent. Uncertainty cannot be applied, in any regard, to a beam of monochromatic photons, especially coherent ones, for example. The Nobel Prize winning exact measurements carried out by Hans Dehmelt upon an electron trapped (in a Paul trap) for three months also refutes its universal applicability. The key to transPlanckian transduction (teleportation) lies in causal mechanics, which requires a subquantum model of physics - something we are still lacking as long as we collectively continue to suckle upon the nipple of Einstein.
Hey Yamabushi
This may well be, but you would still need to make an argument not for its lack of universal applicability, but its lack of applicability in this particular case. This particular case involves somehow measuring the position of the atomic material making up our bodies, and any way that I know of to do this would still alter the position and energy levels of these atoms to the point of fatally disrupting our body's bonds. You would need to die for it work, or so it would seem at this point. Further evidence of this fact is the notion that you could use the information gained to make not 1, but 5 copies, for instance, of the original body, and no one believes that they would all be
you, so in my opinion, the 1 copy normally made would not be either.
Quote from: Stillwater on November 25, 2009, 06:15:29
When you say more logical, what do you mean? what are your particular arguments here? I know of certain circumstances of the universe that seem to either force either this conclusion, or an extremely sophisticated version of materialism (panpsychism- all matter is self-aware), but I am curious to hear your particular arguments that you in turn feel force this conclusion in a logical way, which is an extremely strong case. I think the mental has been demonstrated to carry a certain fundamental primacy in the universe, but there are several means of bringing this primacy about, and to be honest, I am not 100% certain myself which in reality holds, although I have my bets too.
After carefully studying and thoroughly investigating these areas of energy and consciousness it is up to each individual to come to their own conclusion. I don't really want to force others to see the truth if they are not ready. Therefore, it may not be possible to present this material to some people in a logical way until the technology exists to prove it. Religious beliefs and fear can prevent people from understanding the truth and I have found that sometimes, no matter what, there is no logical argument strong enough to convince someone of the truth.
QuoteAfter carefully studying and thoroughly investigating these areas of energy and consciousness it is up to each individual to come to their own conclusion. I don't really want to force others to see the truth if they are not ready. Therefore, it may not be possible to present this material to some people in a logical way until the technology exists to prove it. Religious beliefs and fear can prevent people from understanding the truth and I have found that sometimes, no matter what, there is no logical argument strong enough to convince someone of the truth.
Indeed- you can't really force anyone to believe anything. When two people are having a discussion about beliefs, it is very rare that people will actually chage their opinions; this is partially because most people don't really honestly appraise what the other person is saying to the fullest and most unbiased extent possible, and also partially because even if another changed someone's opinion, most people have too much pride to admit that that is what actually occurred, and won't even admit it to themselves until much later.
That said, I am not asking you to prove anything, nor to force others to believe; I am just curious what your reasoning might have been, as I am of any who claim to come to interesting conclusions- I think we are only the more informed by hearing a multitude of arguments in a given question, especially those we may not even agree with, as they allow us to better define what our positions are by what they aren't. So you don't really need to say anything- but it might be interesting :wink:
More information is always good information, that's for sure.
Why do you think that it's not possible to 'force' someone to believe? Children are told what to believe all the time, they are never really given a choice.
But with regards to energy and consciousness, I think that we can use our thoughts to create prayers or 'energy programs' and then store them in primary energy centers (chakras). We can then send these programs to others which re-writes their chakras all together, it just takes a little time for the entire process to take effect.
How this relates to Teleportation... who knows?
I got tired of 6pages so i dont know if somone allready said it.
Ithink if it is to be possible you should work with your "Belive"
You cannot think about the things that stopps you from doing it, only that you are doing it.
It is very hard, i think u can practise it if you astral project, like instead of getting out and float above your boddy, try to get out of your body and immideatly go to annother place.
Shift your awareness during ap to a place away from your body
Physical teleportation or 'jumping' as I like to call it is the absolute hardest of all psychic abilities. There are only a handful of individuals in the entire universe capable of such a feat.