The Astral Pulse

I bealive that christianity has really affected the general social opinions about sex in a negative way, giving it a 'sinful' image in the early years. Perhaps this is partly why it is such a big topic, with confilcting feelings arising as the world opens its eyes a little.

People think about sex a lot because it is an obvious biological necesity. An interesting point regarding sex and spirituality is that when two people engage in sex their auras actually become one aura.

Veni Vidi Vici

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Originally posted by Fenris: An interesting point regarding sex and spirituality is that when two people engage in sex their auras actually become one aura.

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How do you know this? Did you read it or were you being a voyeur with your auric sight?

Mark

This is a very interesting topic. To answer one question, sex does seem to be on my mind a lot more than I would like. Sometimes it will just pop in my head from out of nowhere. I guess this could be because in a physical sense all things have the strong impulse to reproduce, humans included. As much as we would like to think we have total control over ourselves this is not entirely true. The physical bodies are still part of physical nature and still obey its laws, and one of the most basic of those laws right after food, air, and shelter is the continuation of the species. Sex is a very natural thing. Unfortunately there are many ideas that humans have brought about trying to make it dirty or abuse of it. Sex is part of who we are, at least while we are on the physical plane (not sure about when we leave here). There is no reason why one should feel conflict in trying to explore their spiritual side and their sexual side. In fact sex can be a very spiritual thing. What other activity do you know of that brings the body and the soul together so well and intensely? If you are remotely experienced with body energy then try using it, moving it around next time you have a sexual experience. The Taoist and Tantric sexual practices do this, though I am not sure about Tantric as I have only studied Taoist. Several years ago I came across a book I think titled The Multi-Orgasmic Man. This book was very enlightening to me. It taught Taoist sexual practices in a very easy to understand modern Western language. After what I have studied I would have to agree that there is energy transfer between those involved in the sexual act, rather they know it or not. Knowing this though greatly enhances the experience making it much more spiritual.

Though one can live without experiencing sex, I think that it is important to living a healthy life. This does not mean that one has to have a partner but experiencing sexual energy can be very healthy. In fact I find I am much more healthier and happier when I experience sexual energy on a regular basis. The Taoist call it cultivating energy as that is really what you are doing. I realize this probably sounds crazy to someone who knows nothing about this topic, but I suggest learning about it as it can be very rewarding.

Greetings Kifyre
           Sex, hhmmm, that thing that seems to make the world go around. I'd have to say that in the past I'd think about it and let it influence me.For many years now I've been on a spititual path,reducing ego's ect, I'd have to say that out of all the egos,lust was the biggie, I'm not saying it's gone, but at the momment i've reduced it to a level where it has very little , if at all effect on any external conscious aware thoughts or actions. It adds a whole new clarity and perspective to the way you conduct your life.
             As for spiritual growth and sex ,tantric sex appears to be the way to go. The link below gives a good ,basic discription of tantric overview.

[http://www.sakara.net./Tantra.htmll]



Regards Steve

The meaning of sex? Well, to reproduce. It has to be enjoyable otherwise we wouldnt want to... does it go beyond that as well? I dont know.

But sexual desire and lust can be annoying somewhat when I spend less time on spiritual development for my own personal pleasure.

- Ashfo

As with much of religious dogma, Christianity's doctrine regarding sex has been disrespected by even its closest followers (i.e. recent priest sex scandals in North America) but even more importantly, it has been greatly misunderstood.

Hidden behind veils of the common word, its commandments regarding sex, simplified and distorted not to mention clashing with the modern life styles of the Western world, has resulted in both moral and religious conflict.

Why should woman remain celibate until the day of her marriage?
Why are lustful thoughts sinful?
Why is masterbation sinful?
Why Why Why?  

What is sin? An insult to God, or the degradation of your being?

"For everything which distracts him on the path is his enemy"

The church points us back to the bible for the answers, but these are, as with much of the bible, words with secondary meanings which if read at the surface will never be truly understood. Buried in symbology  nearly lost to 2000 years of cultural change, only in occult studies and the philosophy of the adepts are glimpses of the Truth revealed. But truth read, translates not into wisdom but mere knowledge. Seek and thou shalt find, experience it however; and thou shalt truly understand and therefore progress.

"Every ascent begins with the ability to deny yourself something, every fall begins with the loss of self-control" - Georg Lomer

But let's not pick on Christianity as the above concepts are shared by several religions for many of the same core reasons.

In sex we find animal instinct, the vital fluids of creation, vital corporal and emotional energies not to mention the spiritual experience.

To the man, sex is the realization of raw desire, which if cultivated without love and without intellect (see Toaist/Tantric studies) shall result in his "little death" - exhaustion in the body and spirit - tiredness, emotional depression and in the most extreme cases even sickness or death.

"He alone can possess truly the pleasure of love who has conquered the love of pleasure" - Eliphas Levi

The propagation of the species, who we are and how we will be "remembered" (re: the divine child, the completeness of the human trinity), depends on sex and the dissemination of our genetic and spiritual makeup. Engraved in our minds, this eternal basic instinct surfaces and takes over our thought every chance it gets whether apparent or indirectly through the subconscious. Without such blunt intervention and reminder, what would be of the future of our species? Evolution can not rely on our scatter brains to remmember to reproduce so as to extend the survival of our species; hence the instinct; hence the pleasure - and thus the pitfall.

But man must overcome animalistic behaviour, surrendering his will cowardly before raw instinct - succumbing and acting upon external stimuli rather than his own pure thought and true volition.  If you neglect your moral dignity and obey blindly to the insticts of nature, she shall engulf you in her wrath.

"Woman enchains you by your desires; master your desires and you will enchain her"

Man is more than just animal, man thinks - man IS - man has spirit. Contemplate the reasons behind the instinct, on the consequences of the act: what shall be gained or lost afterwards. Perhaps then you will begin to gain some motivation and then control over this beast. But part of the dilemma is in man this beast grows in strength the longer it is repressed.

Alas, we must find yet another way to deal with it - Celibacy isn't mere avoidance and repression; for that will only result in catastrophe, chaos and descent in every sense of the word.  The key to the issue is in the universal law of transmutation and the transference of this energy into a positive outcome - health, vitality, strength, and above all spiritual ascendance. (easier said than done but definately worth the effort... BELIEVE ME! ;-)

To the wise sex is life, to the ignorant sex is death.
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Adept of Light


"He who pursues the goal of evenmindedness, is neither jubilant with gain, nor depressed by loss" - Paramahansa Yogananda

The person who defines sex as inherently bad/or sinful has not truley loved themself and/or the person they have had sex with.    

Sex can be extremely beautiful and incredibly sacred and powerful.  It can be an expression of the deepest self trancending love.  It is a divine gift.

IMO of course.

Kristen

Kifyre

one of the members mentioned taoist tantra, that is something that I practice, and it has changed my interst, understanding and desire for sex. As a young man all I wanted was sex. As I aged and practiced sex for pleasure it got a bit boring. From my tai chi studies I moved towards tantra and have found that moving the sexual energy, ching chi, from the sexual organs and glands into the body and moving it along the meridians and chakras, I can have a sexual experience, at any time, without the ejeculation. Now having kundalini rush through my body when I do this is better than sex. I use it to initiate astral travel.

Now at 46 years of age, I use my sexual energy for health reasons and enlightenment, but it takes a lot of practice and determination. I am not posting this to boast, but to say that it is possible to change desire into something nicer using taoist tantra or similar techniques.

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc

Hi astralc,

Do you classify different types of energy through logic, intuition, or experience?

In other words, do you consider sexual energy to be a distinct type of energy as opposed to, I don't really know, wind energy or earth energy, for example?

I'm looking for a vague conceptual framework while I learn through experience.

Mark

kifyre

Sexual energy feels good, it can be intense or it can be soft. I suppose it depends how it is used in meditation. To build tantra energy, ching chi / kundalini - you breath it upwards, like a strong shiver, up from the genitals and base chakra, you can even draw it up from the feet as well. It is then centered just behind the navel. Once there is a lot of this ching chi in the 'Furnace' it is then pushed with the breath up the back of the spine into the midbrain.

For beginners it can lead to unconsciousness, and at the least a damn big headache. But after a while it can then be pushed out the top of the head, the Halo Point. At this point you go all ga ga, semi conscious, and this is when you can leave your body. It can also lead to paranoia and delusions, so be careful.

Back to your question, what is sexual energy, it is the same energy that is felt when 'out there'. It can be awoken at any point in the body, like the heart, spleen, kidney, hands, etc. So it is not confined to the genitals.

As to earth or wind energy, I suppose it is connected some way, but if you can feel the ching chi / kundalini, then you can enter the earth and draw that into your body too.

When I astral travel it is usually after heavy chi pushed out through the Halo Point / crown chakra. The experience is one of HUGE power surges, kundalini rushing through my body. Some times it is localsed elsewhere in my body, like ther third eye or navel chakra. If I come back to my body too early I get such itchy legs from the power surges, almost unbearable.

Hope that helps

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc

Astralc do you have any websites on taoist practises or tantra energy? :)

- Ashfo

Here is a link to the book I found very helpful in introducing me to Taoist Sex practices. Though it is called The Multi-Orgasmic Man it also has a chapter for women and would be a good read for either sex. I would appreciate anyone else refering books or websites they have found helpful.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062513362/qid=1022069041/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-3668985-2578368

I strongly suggest anyone with a slight interest in this to learn more as astralc as stated this can totally change your views and open you up to something that makes sex so much more.

What an interesting topic.

I myself have just started on the Tantric path, and it's a fascinating discipline. astralc is very right, it takes a LOT of patience, effort, dedication, and care. I learned this right off the bat. The Kundalini energy is very potent compared to common energy, like moonshine compared to beer. All you need it just a sip. Heh heh...

For those of you are now interested in Tantra, the basic premise is the charging of sexual energy through prolonged acts of sex. This sex is not goal-oriented, i.e. ejaculation, but focuses on keeping it up for extended periods of time. The benefits of this are countless, but the basic idea is a healthier life and spiritual development. Elevated consciousness is talked about. It's tricky to explain in a paragraph, so I'll attach the info that taught me the basics.

As far as the rest of the thread goes, here's my take on sex: the act of copulation is pleasurable for only two creatures on this planet; humans and dolphins, so I'm told. If this is true, it kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? I don't believe that the only purpose of sex for humans is to reproduce. Nor do I believe that sexual things are sinful, as some dogmatic belief systems have said for THOUSANDS of years. And for THOUSANDS of years, Tantrics have held sex as the basis for their spiritual discipline, the complete opposite from some religions. It all depends on your perspective, and since these general views have existed for so long, it's unlikely that they'll change. The only thing that can change is you, and it's time for people to start thinking for themselves. THAT is what I call "freedom of religion."

Here's a great primer for Tantra (long!).

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bitsmart -
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Some disciplines recommend drawing energy from head to toe. Some disciplines recommend drawing energy from feet to head. Some: push energy out the top of the head. Others: push energy out your feet. Still others: draw energy in through breath, or entire skin surface. Still others: draw in energy through you hands and feet. Still others: store energy in your body. Still others: balance your energy with outside world.

Most disciplines agree on the reality of energy centers within the body.

Some say it's all the same energy. Some say there're many different types of energy. Astralc, you say that sexual energy "can be awoken at any point in the body," so what makes it sexual and not another name for a common energy.

I heard once that highly advanced practitioners of some discipline can convert urine and maybe even feces into energy and never have to eliminate. Are perhaps sexual fluids in the body transformed into energy during tantric practice?

fallnangel77,

That book has been on my list for a long time. Maybe I'll get it sooner rather than later now.

bitsmart,

Thanks for the comments and the file. I can't wait to check it out.

astralc,

Your hands on the description makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to summarize your technique and experience.

As fallnangel77 states:
"I strongly suggest anyone with a slight interest in this to learn more as astralc as stated this can totally change your views and open you up to something that makes sex so much more."

I hope people are finding this imformative and useful. I know I am. Thanks everyone who's been contributing to this thread. I'm glad I asked!

Mark

I have no partner, so I really never get to practise this exquisit art..
I know that personally I don´t think that sex is that important. I think that a relationship is more about having somebody around- and then there are so many thíngs that are not really nsex but wery importantn to the well being of people, like hugs and caresses and gerally bodily closeness. I think that sex without love is quite wasted- even thoug today it seems quie popular. If two peole find each other I think that they can exhange something "magnetic" even without having sex.. I think that the important thing in a couple is not the physicall act of sex but some kind of.. hm.. call it human megnetism that can come across.. and without this any realtionship means nothing.
well, but I´m ne expert.. but this is what my intuition tells me.
But, to some it up- sex isn´t reallyn that important in my opinion- this dosn+t mean that I consider it to be bad or sinfull in any way, but it´s just not important. nothing wrong with it though.
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I think more about finding a nice girl to spend my life with then to mate with, but of course these thoughts about sex come somtimes- but thy pass wery quikly again..


-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

Thanks very much for all the info..

I cant really afford any books atm, but I'll keep it in mind and perhaps in the future I'll buy it.

Well, being 15 my sex life varies extremely :P Sometimes it can be none for a month or several times a weekend. Do the Tantra exercises require you to have lots of sex to "practise"?


- Ashfo

I do not know about Tantric, I assume it is similar to Taoism, but you do not actually have to have sex to experience the benefits. Just working with sexual energy when you feel it generated. When you have a sexual thought, instead of just dismissing it with the energy, work with the engery. Masterbating, though what you do is really not masterbate atleast not in my opinion, can be a big part of this. It allows you to concentrate more on the engeries and working with them than when you are with a partner. This is really the best way to learn until you get control. After you have control then sex with a partner is so much better. Sharing each others energy is very nice. But as far as having lots of sex, no it is not necessary. But lots of practice helps, like with anything else.

(Not sure if this sounds right, it is too early for me right now. Must wake up ... need more coffee. :)  )

Initially I decided to omit this tidbit because it's briefly talked about in the doc I attached. I'm sure there are conflicting opinions on this from the various takes on Tantra, this is just what I learned from said document: As I understand it, masturbation can apply to Tantra, if Dianism is practiced (the practice of not ejaculating, but 'keeping the gate open.') While working with a partner of the opposite sex can bring you to much higher levels of energy, it is not absolutely required.

So to those of you who aren't sexually active with a partner right now, that doesn't necessarily mean you can't start practicing Tantra. The idea is that as long as the energy isn't wasted through masturbation, but conversely raised and retained, the sexual energy has the potential to benefit you.

bitsmart -
information illumination -
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Bitsmart, that is a good point which I should have made clear. These practices teach cultivation of energy through sex. Unlike what we commonly think of as sex and orgasms, these teach one to not ejaculate. Ejaculation is a waste of energy unless you are trying to have children. Now for the most part when we have sex we are not trying to have children so why should we ejaculate. And believe me ejaculation and orgasm are two different things which are not connected, we just come to think they are. If men can ejaculate without an orgasm then men should be able to orgasm without ejaculating, right? Ejaculation is not to be seen as something bad though. It is good to ejacutate when you wish to concieve and it is also healthy  to ejaculate every now and then to flush out the system. How often depends on your health and age.

Thank you for posting this information and for the doc. I have not read it yet but am going to start today.

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Hello, do you mind to explain more on this? Suppose the available partners around me abuse sex and I do not want to give it to them. Where else can I get it?
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Hi Comus,

The Universal Law of Transmutation is a mental one, for the Universe is Mental.

"Mind (as well as metals and elements) may be transmuted, from state to state; degree to degree; condition to condition; pole to pole, vibration to vibration". - The Kybalion

In the case of sex, the transmutation is the shifting of sexual energy from the groin area (one end of the pole) to other parts of your body (i.e. your crown) by means of mental effort. Please take the time to study these methods in depth before attempting them, because as others have mentioned here, it can cause serious health problems if done incorrectly.

As for whomever suggested the Multi-Orgasmic Man as reading material, I suggest they add "Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao" as initial reading material. It is not as humorous and fun to read, but contains important information. The first book mentioned, lacks proper instruction in areas, specifically warnings about certain practices. Your sexual energy is like fire. Play with fire without being careful and you will get burned.

Lastly, I would also suggest you study Robert's N.E.W. from this web site and practice it before reverting to Mantak Chia's methods (the author of the two above mentioned books). Chia's methods deal with the activation of the Primary chakras first, but if you have read NEW you will understand that this is a mistake and is not recommended. You should begin with the tertiary and secondary chakras first, not the primary ones.

In regard to your available partner(s) abusing sex, they can not have sex with you, without you consenting it. If you give in to their wishes, you shall fulfil their wishes and not yours. The real sin in sex is not the act itself, but your succumbing to it for immoral reasons resulting in your degradation - in terms of health, overall energy, emotional stability and spirituality.

As for where you can get it, I would suggest from a "good" partner. One who will care about you, how you feel about the subject, the significance of  the act and the outcome, not just indulgence for their personal pleasure.


Be well :)
--
Adept of Light

"What in fact does man know? Nothing, and at the same time he is allowed to ignore nothing. Devoid of knowledge, he is called upon to know all" - Eliphas Levi

A couple of points from Adept that I'd like to touch on:

"In regard to your available partner(s) abusing sex, they can not have sex with you, without you consenting it. If you give in to their wishes, you shall fulfil their wishes and not yours. The real sin in sex is not the act itself, but your succumbing to it for immoral reasons resulting in your degradation - in terms of health, overall energy, emotional stability and spirituality."

I fully agree with this. The act of sex itself is not what's immoral, it's the mindset that many people have concerning sex. The societal mindset in many cultures that because sex is done behind closed doors, that a different set of rules apply to it, is irresponsible. This is not a hard concept to grasp, but often times the ego clouds your mind, distorts your thinking, and distracts you from what's really important. Keeping the ego in check has brought me new found freedom abound, but it's not easy and it's a constant process. Ego and sex do not go together.

"As for where you can get it, I would suggest from a "good" partner. One who will care about you, how you feel about the subject, the significance of the act and the outcome, not just indulgence for their personal pleasure."

Another good point. For someone who has had a pretty inactive sex life as far as sex with a parter is concerned, it took me awhile to learn that craving a partner causes unnecessary grief. I try mantras such as "all things in their own time" and "when I am truly ready, a partner will appear." Even "everything happens for a reason" can really help me out sometimes. This "involuntary celibacy" can hold many lessons if I look for them.

bitsmart -
information illumination -
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Kifyre, Ashfo and fallnangel77 and others

you might find some useful information on my web site, go to the Links page for the best sites on tantra, for both men and women, taoist and yogi. I also have an article or two that may help, it is on the Articles page.

As for ejaculation and masturbation and having sex with a partner - you are best to practice solo at first, without a partner, that way you get to know what to do properly before you do it in the cauldron.

It is also so hard to do at first, in fact for a male it is always hard, we are so used to ejaculating that to turn that off requires a lot of hard work. For females it is much easier, they can have multiple orgasms, and can turn on to tantra with greater ease.

Tantra with a partner requires practice, trust and open honest communication. Some partners don't like it.

For Ashfo, you young thing, you might wish to start harnessing your chi, kundalini, now, that way you can draw upon it with greater ease than us oldies. The reason tantra is so important, and why older people turn to it, is because as you grow old you lose energy, in fact energy becomes precious. Thus tantra returns the user's energy back to the age of 3 or 4.

When you get to feel the kundalini surge through your body you get hooked, and want it more and more. It feels so good and in fact is necessary for continued health and wellbeing, otherwise we just get old and die.

I mentioned that when you become experienced that you can create a surge of kundalini at any time and place, no sex needed. That is because the ultimate goal of tantra is not sex, it is LIFE. Yes, you can have sex for hours, but with tantra you can have the same, no, better feeling whenever you want, and no one knows!

Happy tantra

Astralc

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc

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As for whomever suggested the Multi-Orgasmic Man as reading material, I suggest they add "Awaken Healing Energy Through the Tao" as initial reading material. It is not as humorous and fun to read, but contains important information. The first book mentioned, lacks proper instruction in areas, specifically warnings about certain practices. Your sexual energy is like fire. Play with fire without being careful and you will get burned.

Lastly, I would also suggest you study Robert's N.E.W. from this web site and practice it before reverting to Mantak Chia's methods (the author of the two above mentioned books). Chia's methods deal with the activation of the Primary chakras first, but if you have read NEW you will understand that this is a mistake and is not recommended. You should begin with the tertiary and secondary chakras first, not the primary ones.

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Hello, thanks for your suggestions and additional book recommendation. I would second that one should learn NEW first. I was able to apply several techniques in the Chia book immediately. Wow! I had a wonderfu lucid dream this morning, last night I gained my abysmal auric site that I usually get after masturbating, without the masturbating...and I have a twitchy eye. So I'll at least stop taking energy over my head for awhile and store it directly.

To summarize, and people who've been doing this for longer than 12 hours (!) please correct me, when you're aroused, you can pull that energy from your genitals, and, well, do stuff with it. Lot's of information says shoot it up into your brain which I am not trying for a long time. You might also loop it around your body and store it, or pull it straight up and store it, using NEW techniques. I feel a distinct drop in arousal. It's really amazing. Now I gotta start practicing the title of the book...

Mark

Nope, I wasn't going to reply to this topic.
But it won't go away!  So now I find myself
caught here typing anyway...

I think the whole sex thing is overated by the media
and fad followers. Like you have to get some, and get
it nightly, or else you're a loser!   If you don't,  you have
a problem.  

Yes, I used to be in my twenties. Scoring my nightly
outtings by how many different women I was getting.
And partying and being Mr. Cool.

Now I'm 38 and I think back, I wasted all those years...
Hurt all those women, blew all that money, drank my
life away, and did nothing to better myself.  Caught in
that trap of being what the media and movies show as,
" This is what everyone else is doing, you should be
doing the same".

I believe random sex with just anybody, does nothing for
spiritual enlightenment. It's only a lower-form of our past
human-animalistic habits, to reproduce with as many
females as possible.

Thank God I found my way out.  I'm drinkless and drugless,
married a beautiful woman, and now understand what life
is all about.

It's not about the sex.  It's about connecting to someone
and finding the inner bond of Love and Friendship.  Feeling
totally free to be "just as you are" with that person. I know
her and she knows me, we look together at the stars at
night, and hold hands while walking along the sand.
We are best friends...

Nightflier...

 Ok, now I need a nap...

Astralc, what do you mean by using my chi and kundalini?

I know Chi is energy - would this be the same as working with NEW?

I'm also looking at doing Reiki and perhaps a martial art... Would Chi be more associated with this?

Thanks,

- Ashfo

Just so every one who may be thinking that sex is a requirment to be considered alive, well, I am 25 years old and a virgin.  And I will add that I am healthy and stable.   Alhtough I would like to give it a go I do not spent may free time seeking it out.  I figure htat it will happen when it happens.  It is not an issue I push.


Bisart
"Another good point. For someone who has had a pretty inactive sex life as far as sex with a parter is concerned, it took me awhile to learn that craving a partner causes unnecessary grief. I try mantras such as "all things in their own time" and "when I am truly ready, a partner will appear." Even "everything happens for a reason" can really help me out sometimes. This "involuntary celibacy" can hold many lessons if I look for them."

"involuntary celibacy"  I know exactly how that feels.    Question.  The mantras, do they really work for you?  It is interesting thought.  I tend to get depressed some times, it is not the lack of sex but rather the lack of love, which I seek more.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Hay Roge- I´m 24 and in your exact position. I haven´t had a girl friend
for many years. I guess it wouldn´t be wery hard to go out and find a woman for the night... but that´s really not what I´m after. I couldn´t be that close to a perfect stranger. What I whant is a woman to love and be loved by, the sex part is really not important for me. Most people seem to think that sex is wery important though... that kind of scares me..
There is this show on tv - big brother- wher a bunch of stranegrs live in a housed montored by cameras al the time..
There always are the persons who are on this show who say things like-
"I havn´t had sex for three weeks now- this is horible!"
That is just wierd.. Are people really that primitive?


-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

Greetings all

         If you dont have partner and wish to practise riasing sexual energy, it can be done, but not in the contempary masterbtion style. Vizualizing, fantasizing is out. If you feel the need to masterbate, let the energy's rise naturualy. DO NOT fantasize, this just gives into ego's of lust. Once the sexual organs are ready you can begin Transmutation. At this point you can use your imagination/ visualization to pull the energies out of the sexual organs up to the brain ect. Pulling the energies up is simmalar to relaxation with the breath:  elevater, sinking feeling, ladder method ect. As you inhale slowly, imagine/vizualize your energies rizing up yor spine to your brain. On the short exhale, imagine/visualize the energys going from the forehead to the heart. Keep this up untill the energys subside.
              It is important not to ejaculate, this wastes the energies. It is also important for males to let the energies disapate otherwise you could end up with what they call, "lovers nuts" ( pains in the testicles ), ooochhh.
               What is written above is a very,very basic overview,

Regards  Steve

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Originally posted by steveb:
Greetings all

         If you dont have partner and wish to practise riasing sexual energy, it can be done, but not in the contempary masterbtion style. Vizualizing, fantasizing is out. If you feel the need to masterbate, let the energy's rise naturualy. DO NOT fantasize, this just gives into ego's of lust. Once the sexual organs are ready you can begin Transmutation. At this point you can use your imagination/ visualization to pull the energies out of the sexual organs up to the brain ect. Pulling the energies up is simmalar to relaxation with the breath:  elevater, sinking feeling, ladder method ect. As you inhale slowly, imagine/vizualize your energies rizing up yor spine to your brain. On the short exhale, imagine/visualize the energys going from the forehead to the heart. Keep this up untill the energys subside.
              It is important not to ejaculate, this wastes the energies. It is also important for males to let the energies disapate otherwise you could end up with what they call, "lovers nuts" ( pains in the testicles ), ooochhh.
               What is written above is a very,very basic overview,

Regards  Steve

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Now, what I want to know is where is this huge amount of energy coming from? In NEW, for example, one draw in energy from the feet and hands. But where does sexual energy come from? If we generate it internally, then how do we gain? Is sexuality used as a tool to convert something from the body into something more useful--energy?

Mark

As far as where the energy comes from.  I have always looked at like this.  All the energy we need for our whole lives is already in us.  It is moved, stored, and generated naturally by the body.   The various "chakras" are more like transformers.  Each one originally designed for certain purposes.  That take a set amount of energy and convert it into the kind and amount of energy that is needed.  

Now through learning to manipulate this you can get a  better transformer.  And use less raw energy and get more converted energy out of it.  

Does that make sence?



David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

Steve-
If one neither masturbates nor fantasises how then can the sexual energy be raised? Or did I undrstand your post wrong? Do you mean something like focusing the awareness on the genital are? A bit like NEW but used differently?

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

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Now, what I want to know is where is this huge amount of energy coming from? In NEW, for example, one draw in energy from the feet and hands. But where does sexual energy come from? If we generate it internally, then how do we gain? Is sexuality used as a tool to convert something from the body into something more useful--energy?
Mark
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Hello Kifyre,

Sexual energy does have an origin, as does everything else. Nothing comes from nothing. To suggest anything comes from nothing is an absurdity. Even our modern physicists agree on this one (matter can not be created nor destroyed). Also note, that matter = energy and vice versa, in addition matter can be converted into various forms of energy (i.e wood can be transformed into heat energy). Thus we can conclude in part that the invisible energies we speak of here (such as sexual energy), may originate from visible matter.

The sexual energy comes indirectly from the same sources which fuel our bodies:
1) Breath
2) Food
3) Water

These raw material fuel for our organs such as lungs, heart, brain as well as our reproductive organs to create semen and the various lubricants etc. But the invisible sexual energy we speak of here resides  in the invisible body - the Astral/Etheric body - which is made up of the Chakras. For the invisible sexual energy, the origin is the root chakra. But still you ask, so how is the root chakra filled with energy?

This can be done twofold.

1) From the same sources which feed the physical body
2) From the energy pathways which are connected to the secondary and tetriary chakras (i.e. the hands and feet feed the secondary chakras/pathways which in turn can feed/fill the primary chakras such as root chakra - this is not new info to people on this website who read NEW in detail).

So let me go back to point 1 again.  In order for the chakras to be fed from our physical body there must be interconnection points. Such points are referred to as the Plexus.

Plexus:
a) A structure in the form of a network, especially of nerves, blood vessels, or lymphatics: the cardiac plexus; the pelvic plexus.
b) A combination of interlaced parts; a network.

I hope this has shed some light on your question.

Now going off topic a bit...
It is this concept of interconnection between the physical and the Astral which allows for the explanation of Energy Healing such as Reiki and Pranic among others. The healing of the physical body via the astral is possible via these interconnection points. If the Astral/Chakra body was completely separate from the physical, energy healing would not work at all. This is also why our physical health also reflects in the appearance of our Aura.

PS. I am no expert in these areas, I have barely begun researching this, so if anybody with more knowledge on this notes any errors, please feel free to correct me.

Be well,
(in the physical and the astral)  ;-)

--
Adept of Light

"What in fact does man know? Nothing, and at the same time he is allowed to ignore nothing. Devoid of knowledge, he is called upon to know all" - Eliphas Levi

Adept,

I couldnt resist replying to your agreement with the first law of thermodynamics - that energy (matter) cannot be created or destroyed.

An ounce of matter was destroyed in the atomic blast above Hiroshima, and more importantly...

Free Energy is here. It works. We dont need oil, but the politicians, the government and the rich do. Why? To stay rich. So why hasn't FE been released to the world? A host of dis-information and mock experiments undertaken by "scientists". Many people who develop FE  are bought out, "quietened" or patent their ideas in vain hope that they one day might make some money from their designs.

Dont believe me?  I have seen Adams (a NZ scientist) free energy machine. It works. I am in the process of building one myself (they're not insanely complicated) and you can too. Look over the net, people are now sharing their information rather than patenting it as they can see the only way for FE to get out is for the masses to realize its here and real.

- Ashfo

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I couldnt resist replying to your agreement with the first law of thermodynamics - that energy (matter) cannot be created or destroyed.

An ounce of matter was destroyed in the atomic blast above Hiroshima, and more importantly...
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Ashfo,

How do you prove the destruction of matter? Was it destroyed, or was it converted into the energy which causes the blast/force of the atomic bomb?
I'll admit my physics knowledge is limited, but I know enough to know physics doesn't have the "theory of everything" yet ;-)

PS. Maybe we should create a new topic for this.
PPS. I haven't read up on FE my only speculation is that if it were real it would solve many of the physical world's problems and create new ones - at least temporarily. You'd think the US government would be the first to use such free energy, then they wouldn't have to depend on Arabic countries to provide them with fuel and they'd easily win any future wars with countries which are primarily funded from their oil reserves.
--
Adept of Light

"What in fact does man know? Nothing, and at the same time he is allowed to ignore nothing. Devoid of knowledge, he is called upon to know all" - Eliphas Levi

Greeting all

Steve wrote :    If you dont have partner and wish to practise riasing sexual energy, it can be done, but not in the contempary masterbtion style. Vizualizing, fantasizing is out. If you feel the need to masterbate, let the energy's rise naturualy. DO NOT fantasize, this just gives into ego's of lust. Once the sexual organs are ready you can begin Transmutation. At this point you can use your imagination/ visualization to pull the energies out of the sexual organs up to the brain ect. Pulling the energies up is simmalar to relaxation with the breath: elevater, sinking feeling, ladder method ect. As you inhale slowly, imagine/vizualize your energies rizing up yor spine to your brain. On the short exhale, imagine/visualize the energys going from the forehead to the heart. Keep this up untill the energys subside.
It is important not to ejaculate, this wastes the energies. It is also important for males to let the energies disapate otherwise you could end up with what they call, "lovers nuts" ( pains in the testicles ), ooochhh.
What is written above is a very,very basic overview,

Regards Steve

Distant bell wrote :        If one neither masturbates nor fantasises how then can the sexual energy be raised? Or did I undrstand your post wrong? Do you mean something like focusing the awareness on the genital are? A bit like NEW but used differently?


DB , the post did read a little strange, it's a hands on event mate, it's just you should stay away from fantasizing lustfull ideas and scenes..

Regards  Steve

Hey everyone,

I just wanna make a quick comment on that energy/matter issue.

AoL is right there... you can't destroy matter/energy.

These two are kinda interchangable which is most easily seen in this often abused e=mc^2 formula.
With c being a constant that basically means you get a certain amount of energy for a certain amount of matter and vice versa.

So... how can this happen the "normal" way (i.e. I don't mean the witch doctor from next door converting your balls into fire )

The easiest way to approach this might be radioactive decay, something with which most of you should be familiar from school.
(i hope i get that right in english )

The two most interesting phenomenons here would be gamma-decay and especially beta-plus decay. (in post-preview the plus sign didn't show up...  hmm "+" <-- here should be one ?)

When an isotope decays through beta-plus decay it will send out a particle called "positron", which is basically the same as an electron, just positively charged. It's the antimatter equivalent of an electron. Now, as the positron has left the atom, some quite basic law starts acting: the positron will emmediatley get attracted to one of the uh.. more than millions of electrons aournd it (particles of opposite charges attract each other). Once it reaches it, they will "anihilate" as matter and antimatter always do, creating two gamma rays with a energy of 511 KeV each shooting away in a 180° angle (that's the energy of a electron not in motion).

With a gamma ray now (whether obtained through gamma decay or something else, that doesn't matter), there can happen something quite interesting as well. The literal translation from german would be pair building effect, but I doubt that's the correct english term. This phenomenon can happen when the energy of a gamma ray is higher than twice the energy of an electron not in movement (E(gamma) > 2 m(electron)*c^2 = 1022 KeV).  Here the gamma ray splits up in a positron and an electron (plus remaining gamma) thus basically creating matter out of energy.
(in case somebody doesn't know: a gamma ray is electromagnetic radiation... and a photon but that's another discussion ).

It would be really interesting if anyone could explain how matter/energy get's completley annihilated... commeon, don't be shy they'll probably even give you a nobel prize for it


btw if one of those Free Energy machines actually worked (which I highly doubt), then this doesn't mean that it creates energy out of nothing. They just simply don't know where it comes from

Energy anihilation = black holes.  And here is the fun part about it.  You can't prove me wrong cause they don't know what is inside one just that nothing gets out.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com

I am practising NEW, and it sounds to me like the NEW system and the different other systems mentioned here ( kundalini, tantra) are variations on he same principle. Is not the NEW system on of the best systems for raising energy? What is the difference between NEW energy and sexual energy?
I gett the feeling that it might be two names for one energy. I know that
Robert Bruce thought it to be advicable not to use NEW on the sexual organs, because the body awareness could get stuck there.
Dose anybody of you who use kundalini/tantra use NEW too? It would be interesting to hear what you consider to be the difference to be between the two systems.

Felix

-- Love is the Law - Love under Will --

About matter can or can not be destroyed...  from the "research" I´ve doing, I´ve come to the conclusion that no, matter can not be destroyed no matter how you approach it....  matter is only energy, and energy can not be destroyed, only REORGANIZED....    just hypothetically, if matter (energy) was to be destroyed - where would it go??  

Steve, you wrote "It is also important for males to let the energies disapate otherwise you could end up with what they call, "lovers nuts" - translation please, dunno what "disapate" means....  

  FELIX, hur går det med NEW´en?   Hoppas läget i Lund är förträffligt...  1 mål ifrån drygt 100 000:- på tipset idag........  jippiiiii.. inte ;(  menmen, that´s life...   ska vi dra en varsin tjuga nästa helg, lr kanske en femtilapp even?

  Be well //Qui-Gon

- Your focus determines your reality -

Ashfo & Kifyre and others

chi is just energy, the same as for reiki, yogic prana, wicca or kundalini, it is all much the same, besides, we all have the same body it can't be much different. Having said that we can make it change, Fire chi is pretty darn hot and dangerous. It can be manifested through chi breathing and years of training. Fire chi is used in martial arts for killing. Water chi is soft chi, and is used for healing.

Through tai chi and other toaist meditation methods Fire chi is created and then converted to Water chi for safe use in our body, for self healing and enlightenment. There are techniques for doing this.

As for the Head, crown chakra, as many have said before, stay away from it until you can already center your chi and earth it safely. I have counselled several people who have tried these methods to create Fire chi, and 'burnt' themselves. They brought chi up into their heads and heart and literally blew a few fuses. It can actually damage the fine nerves in the midbrain and around the heart. If it affects the heart it creates panic attacks, if it damages the head it creates paranoia and delusions. I kid you not, I have seen it in action.

The chinese martial arts have a word for this, it translates into 'wild fire' or 'bush fire' for us in Australia. It is Fire chi that has been let loose and 'burns' the delicate nerves.

So, to be able to use Fire chi and to push it out forcefully out of the crown chakra for OOB, you need many years of practice and training.

Astralc
If you are interested in some articles on this you can find them on my web site below.

www.shoal.net.au/~astralc

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Originally posted by Adept_of_Light:
[It is this concept of interconnection between the physical and the Astral which allows for the explanation of Energy Healing such as Reiki and Pranic among others. The healing of the physical body via the astral is possible via these interconnection points. If the Astral/Chakra body was completely separate from the physical, energy healing would not work at all. This is also why our physical health also reflects in the appearance of our Aura.

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I don't think this is the complete picture. (I'm not saying you do either, of course.)

I do agree there are obvious connection points. There seems to be a one-to-one correspondence between the chakras and the endocrine system. There also seems to be a correspondence between nerve clusters and secondary energy centers. So, there seems to be a complicated energy body within the complicated physical body, and they interact. Some people even claim that all physical illness is the result of energy body imbalances. I don't think this is likely because when I got an almost-broken bone, for example, I felt an energy blockage in this area. I would personally like to assume that the energetic body completely governs the physical body--it would be comforting to me--but it's quite a sweeping claim that shouldn't be automatically assumed. Certainly they influence each other, and healing one side would dramatically influence the other.

Another thing that confuses me is that the energy body has structure. Within this structure is more energy. We move it up and down, push it out of our hands, feel it. How is "loose" energy different from the structure of the energy body? How is this structure maintained? We have bones, tissue, and skin, and fluid such as blook flows through this structure. Maybe the energetic situation is analogous.

So, what is the mechanism for the energy body to interact with physical reality? I personally think it's through quantum uncertainty. Until a particle is observed, some of its attributes are undefined. There is an inherent randomness and uncertainty in the fabric of physical reality. Experiments by the PEAR group [http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/], for example, have determined that human consciousness has a small but statistically significant effect on probabalistic events. It has been proven that human consciousness affects reality. (Also see Reinventing Medicine by Larry Dossey(?)) I personally believe that this manipulation of reality, the manifestation of human will, is through quantum uncertainty. A whole bunch of random events, instead of canceling each other out, line up to our will, and miracles happen.

Internal neuron function in the brain is still unexplained. It has been hypothesized that quantum effects, electron tunneling, determine whether neurons fire. (Physics of Consciousness, by Evan Walker) Perhaps our eternal consciousness manifests on a physical level through quantum effects in the human brain. Maybe we control our bodies through quantum effects.

To jump back to healing... Given quantum mechanics, it is physically possible (though infinitesimely improbable) that the chair I'm sitting on now could disappear from under me and reappear five feet to my right, causing me to fall to the ground. The length of time to go by for this to actually have a high probability of occuring is as long as several lifetimes of the universe, but it's possible. I think this "anything can happen" reality is how healing can take place. I think energy might be likened in some way to "potential." The more energy we have, and the more focused our will, the greater the "probabalistic override" of reality.

In any case, I'm rambling now. So many holes and inconsistencies, but it's a start. Anyone have differing paradigms and opinions?

Mark

P.S. What if energy doesn't really "flow like water?" What if, as we move our awareness around, we're creating weird reality fluctuations that cause sensations in our nerves, and makes our brain do funny things? That doesn't explain all the spontaneous buzzing activity I get. And, there really does seem to be structure... And there really is a flowing "feeling." But it's so weird that we can lump this stuff up and push it around with our minds. I like it, but I can't make sense of it. You can't bunch up electric current and push it around. I guess it's a bad analogy.

Mark

Update: Actually, don't reply to this here. I'm going to make it a new topic. In Gen. Metaphysics.

I've created a "Free Energy" topic in Astral Chat for this FE chat to continue in as it seems quite popular :)

- Ashfo

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Greetings

Qui-Gon Jinn wrote :
Steve, you wrote "It is also important for males to let the energies disapate otherwise you could end up with what they call, "lovers nuts" - translation please, dunno what "disapate" means....

Qui-Gon, what can I say, I've just invented a new word. " I think I'll ring Websters". Replace disapate with subside and it should make sense.

Regards Steve

I very much agree that the media promotes a harmful attitude towards sex. As someone stated they seem to push it off on to us that going without sex for a few weeks is such a terrible thing. They then throw almost naked, good looking people at us. They push this getting laid attitude. I see getting laid as different than what has been discussed here. There are different kinds of sex, some good some harmful. Getting laid is one of the more harmful as it is not about emotion but just getting off with whoever. This for one does not help with our emotional state, in fact it can harm it. This also is physically dangerous as one can get diseases. I find it funny, or disturbing, that the media will tell you to be careful about having sex, then turns around and shows people getting laid with strangers. And that you have to have sex all the time. Now lets look at what is actually being pushed here, lust.
Lust does not go well with the Tao/Tantric practices. Lust is the attraction to the physical flesh. The practices make you concentrate on the energies. So if you are having sex with someone because you think they are hot or just because they make you horny, then it is very difficult to do the energy practices. You are lusting making it hard to move your concentration to the energy. These practices are easiest when done with yourself or with someone you know and care about. I actually find the practices makes me feel even closer to my partner than the usually way.
When I talk about sex, I am referring to the second. I am not talking about the lustful getting laid. I am talking about a healthy, emotional, spiritual and energy act. This is the kind of sex that I think is important, though not necessary, for a healthy life. Again this is not necessary to have a partner. I find this actually helps me when I do not have a partner.

Here's a little survey, because I'm trying to figure out this "sex" thing.

Do you think about sex more than you'd like, or let sex influence you more than you'd like?

Even if your answer is no, I'd still be curious about your thoughts.

If you answer is yes, why do you think that's the case?

Hormones (just because we're human), societal inundation (we're indoctrinated), religious issues (it's been blown out of proportion), unseen influences (true influence from beyond the physical)?

As long as I'm trying to figure out the meaning of everything, I might as well try and figure out the meaning of sex too. Why sex? It's like eating and drinking and other "human" impulses. But it seems that the concept of sex extends beyond the physical world.

Why are people so hung up about sex? And are we just wasting our time?

How does being a spiritual entity relate to being a sexual entity?

Mark