I once attempted to inhabit a crystal during a real-time AP. It didn't work out quite like I'd hoped... It was a double terminated quartz, pretty standard, but I figured since I'd always found quartz to be great at storing energy, it would logically be the best choice.
In that attempt, I didn't really find the quartz crystal to hold any seriously special properties. I thought it might give the illusion of having more space within it, inhabitable in some way, but it really didn't... I simply moved through it in the same way I do most solid material in AP. I didn't try anything very special to get into it either. I suppose it would be interesting to experiment more, but I don't really know to what end research like that would help.
No, crystals don't have any spirits inside them normally.
They are a natural "energy tool" provided by the earth, and have different abilities depending on shape colour etc, but no living entities in them.
AS to trapping spirits, this is only my take on it, but why would you want to?
Good spirits should be respected and left to do things in tgheir way without being trapped. As to negative spirits, well, you don't want to be trapping them anyway. They are best banished, not trapped, as they could potentially wreak havok from within a device that is able to amplify energies.
Regards,
James.
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Originally posted by runlola
the african shamans say powerful crystals have a spirit connected to it. The say the spirit is inside the crystal. [|)]
Often crystals can be connected to spirits yes. Spirits are also able to work through crystals, but it is not typical for a spirit to reside
in a crystal. What might be implied here is that a crystal can be
imbued with the power of a spirit. This would make much more sense than a spirit being chosing to reside inside a physical object, even one such as a crystal.
Every crystal I have ever worked with has been only a tool. A device that can be used to achieve a result. I the case of quartz, I might choose one for its type, be it an Isis crystal, general amplifier, record keeper, channeling crystal, etc. The specific purpose can then be "programmed" into the crystal.
As far as spirits being attached, I have never felt the presence of a spirit within a crystal. I have felt the vibrations or residual vibrations of its last handler, but never a presence inhabiting the crystal.
- James.
I figured that would probably be the case.
I've one (natural) double terminated clear quartz crystal at home that's a record keeper. There's a real "presence" about this crystal, like it's been grown for a very specific purpose, almost like it's alive. Can't quite put my finger on it, but I just love having it around.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if this is what the African shamans were getting at.
[:)]
James.
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Originally posted by James S
No, crystals don't have any spirits inside them normally.
They are a natural "energy tool" provided by the earth, and have different abilities depending on shape colour etc, but no living entities in them.
AS to trapping spirits, this is only my take on it, but why would you want to?
Good spirits should be respected and left to do things in tgheir way without being trapped. As to negative spirits, well, you don't want to be trapping them anyway. They are best banished, not trapped, as they could potentially wreak havok from within a device that is able to amplify energies.
Regards,
James.
Everything has a spirit inside of it at some level or another. Either elemental spirit, deva, ect. If you can feel something from something then it has a spirit, and since everything we look at is causing a reaction in us everything has some form of spirit in it. A soul, however, might be a different matter intirely. This is of course dependant on your definitions of these words.
Now I haven't heard of
trapping spirits but I have heard of
scrying spirits through a crystal quartz.
That makes sense.
We could then look at these definitions as being -
Spirit = spirit energy or essence
Soul = spirit consciousncess or sentience
When I speak of Spirit, I typically refer to both the essence and the consciousness, as in a spirit being.
Thanks for mentioning that SD. No point in getting tripped up over differing nomenclature
[:)]
James.
Has anyone here ever trapped any spirits in thier crystals? Also would like to know of some sites on this subject.Thanx
Replying to a really old post, but here is what my theory is:
I have been practicing many forms of energy work since a child. I come from a long line of European pagans and native Americans. I am the odd ball in my family because I have always trusted science more than homeopathy and natural medicines. As I matured and grew into an adult I learned there are many ways of viewing and labeling things.
I believe you CAN trap spirits and metaphysical entities in crystals, but not limited to crystals. The universe, before the big bang, was theoretically dark, and all matter in the entire universe was crammed in its own gravitational pull, and squeezed down into the space of ONE subatomic particle. All that matter being crushed under all that dark energy and dark matter hypothetically created an explosion, creating the entire universe. If this IS infact true, and NASA very much believes it's so, it is possible to fit as much energy and or matter of the entire universe into the size of a subatomic particle. So even if you AP through a crystal and don't 'feel' like it can bend time and space enough to fit the energy of a spirit or entity in it, doesn't mean one can not hypothetically 'will' it to fit.
Traditionally speaking, my ancestors would trap spirits in wooden idols, stones, and even themselves.
I like how someone posted about respect good spirits and banish bad ones. I do disagree with the 'there is no need to trap spirits' statement someone posted though. I have trapped about 3 in my life, which is not many in comparison to the rest of my family, but each one was very active in this world making the current residents of that one house very uneasy. I put all 3 of them together and they seem pretty happy that way. (maybe its possible that spirits cannot be seen by each other so they lived uneasy in my friends house longing to be reunited?) All and all, that crystal is still in that house on a mantle and it has nothing but good energy coming from it. Especially when the entire family that currently lives there are all home together.
Quote from: Cheyyne on August 01, 2004, 14:07:26
I once attempted to inhabit a crystal during a real-time AP. It didn't work out quite like I'd hoped... It was a double terminated quartz, pretty standard, but I figured since I'd always found quartz to be great at storing energy, it would logically be the best choice.
In that attempt, I didn't really find the quartz crystal to hold any seriously special properties. I thought it might give the illusion of having more space within it, inhabitable in some way, but it really didn't... I simply moved through it in the same way I do most solid material in AP. I didn't try anything very special to get into it either. I suppose it would be interesting to experiment more, but I don't really know to what end research like that would help.
Erm the title of the post it seem is different from what you wrote? First off spirit is formless and manifests temporarily into a form so that's how spirit becomes a crystal, the same as it can manifest as a stone, a bird a tree a a drop of water, or the sun..etc But it isnt possible to trap the spirit of anything or anyone in a crystal or in a physical form, thats just fiction. Just as well really, how would you have escaped?? lol Show me a trapped spirit in a crystal. :lol:
Funny though, you did sound a bit dissapointed to have not been trapped in your crystal ! Regards
Just to clarify, "Spirit" in the metaphysical seems to be a Large Catch-All bucket term for any unseen intelligent being. Not all of them are spirits. So No you cannot trap a spirit...They are way above us. This is impossible.
If your talking about an astral ENTITY however, unfortunately yes, if one is trained in the arts they can forcibly bind & trap an entity(Depending on what it is) into just about almost anything..
Quote from: Killa Rican on February 16, 2012, 23:48:42
Just to clarify, "Spirit" in the metaphysical seems to be a Large Catch-All bucket term for any unseen intelligent being. Not all of them are spirits. So No you cannot trap a spirit...They are way above us. This is impossible.
If your talking about an astral ENTITY however, unfortunately yes, if one is trained in the arts they can forcibly bind & trap an entity(Depending on what it is) into just about almost anything..
Hiya, I'm interested in your theory so I would like to hear more, but I cant but help believe its incorrect...anything in the astral is non physical also.
Regards.
Some people believe that the etheric is physical. A different type of physical (like light from matter, for example) but physical nonetheless.
If it has form (and the astral seems to at least appear to have form) then there is some sort of timespace derived or made of it- different than the physical, but not necessarily divorced from it.
When you get to the mental, well, then you're talking formless, timeless, nonlocality.
Of course, this is up for debate.
Cheers.
Quote from: majour ka on February 17, 2012, 12:52:24
Hiya, I'm interested in your theory so I would like to hear more, but I cant but help believe its incorrect...anything in the astral is non physical also.
Regards.
Hi MK :-) I'll explain it thoroughly while trying to keep brief.
Let's first get semantics out of the way to avoid misunderstandings, as I've posted many times on this board, that "Spirit" is used as bucket term by laymen for any being that's invisible, usually generally for the sake of simplicity but not specifically nor accurate. Many entity's are mistakenly labeled as "spirit".
What we call the "astral" is our interpretation on giving a label to the "Other Worlds", what we normally perceive and is transmuted as "data" through the physical brain.
My interpretation based on personal experience, research, and general knowledge -
Universe - A whole consisting of all space, matter, and dimension which affects us.
It is theorized that there are multiple universes (see string-theory, and many-worlds interpretation of Physics), very physically separate, each varying in detail. We may have parallel counterparts existing in these universes, and there is a connection we have to them on a very particular level.
Dimension - We live in the third dimension (3D). The fourth is often considered to be Time itself, and in conjunction with the third is considered space-time.
(Note, the term dimension is often used to refer to different universes and realms, but more technically - the above is the correct explanation. However, Dimension itself is a mystery, linking to the idea of alternate experience..)
Plane - Can be considered as a "level" of existence. Earthen, Spiritual, or Astral Planes are known to us.
Realm - This is a way to refer to what most title "dimensions", in terms of different areas existent throughout the planes.
(Note, some may refer to the planes as "realms", and this is also valid. For the sake of identifying differences, however, the above explanation can be used as stated.)
What we call "Astral" is a Realm believed to be consisted of Mind And Soul. If this is in fact true, then it is not only a realm with great significance to us humans, but perhaps all living things, Physical and Non-physical alike.
The consensus formed by most practitioners who interact with non-physical entities on a daily basis, is the interpretation that the astral is consisted of Layers.(Planes) Each governed by it's own "Universal Laws".
These Layers are inhabited by many Living beings and in there own planes respectfully . They die, and Pass on to there afterlife in the next plane/realm, as we do. They convert from living form to spirit form. Spirits are further from us in vibration, Most Non-physical Entity's are closer to us in vibration, and are much denser, so they can leave a more more powerful and influential effect on not only the human psyche, but the environment it itself inhabits. They can manifest more easier as well.
So since living beings in different realms or planes of existence, have a large influential effect on us humans(knowingly or not), this also works the other way around as well, IF one is advanced spiritually of course.
When it comes to binding spirits or entitys, it is NOT a "theory", It's actually a very real practice taken very seriously amongst many cultures, but it is in fact a criteria of Magickal Practices with the Least Exposure to the media or general knowledge to the open public. Otherwise, it's brushed off as "fiction" to people ignorant towards such concepts and lack of information on it, and it's history.
The Nuts & bolts of it is, is between Conjuration, Summoning, Invoking, or Evoking Spirit-Entitys.
You cannot bind without conjuring first .There can be many Spirits or Entitys that are willing to be binded, when the practitioner is given permission. THIS is in fact very plausible, as both parties have a respectful mutual exchange to gain out of one another, as it does facilitate the process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evocation
Conjuration-is the process of using an invocation or ritual to bring an entity or spirit through to you. Mastery of this takes time & often years.
When it comes to FORCIBLY Binding(Trapping) an entity, this delves into the criteria of Black Magick or Black Arts. The intention and purpose behind Black Arts is to intentionally, and sometimes gleefully, cause harm. This is also involved with taking "Free Will" out of the equation as well.
No "average joe" can do this though. One must have mastered energy manipulation with techniques & methodologies in order for this to be achieved. They must have a VERY disciplined mind as well, when "poking" around in the other worlds in such a manner. By Disciplined mind, this means one should be free and liberated from ALL "wordly" troubles, stresses, and dramas. Your Mind & Intentions need to be clear and your heart pure. Any thoughts that sidetrack you from your work, can leave you very vulnerable for the Entity to invade your mind or take advantage of your weaknesses.(IF it is an entity of duality). It will also try to fight back.
Through this process involving strict incantations, they can forcibly bind or trap an Entity whether it's for a purpose or not.
I have personal experience with some of this as well in my past works. Some practitioners can bind an entity or spirit to an item, they will keep on themselves, and they will often protect it with "Cloaking" spells. This is to avoid any spiritually aware or clairvoyant people from detecting the entity's presence, or have an inkling of it's energy source.
Anyhow when it comes to summoning, conjuration, and binding, this is not something you can do instantly or in 10 seconds. To summon and transmute it can take up to an half hour or hour.
To CONJURE a being from scratch happens in cycles, depending on the methodology's used, and it can take up to a week or several weeks. It's no easy nor simple process, It's actually very time consuming.
But again. This is very real, because if one is naturally gifted in seeing or sensing, they will know and be able to see and perceive these beings without solicitation or prompting of it's exposure around such individuals that practice these concepts. That in itself is strong evidence as I have also come across this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_of_Solomon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetia
Just for citations and example purposes ,these are among the most famous and well known Grimoires today, as to many systems of Magick And Conjuration practices have evolved & been inspired from.