The Astral Pulse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyKofFih8Y

  Wow, Alex Jones sure has a lot of passion!

I thought he was going to get up and punch Piers out on Live TV.

Oh dear... is this going to separate the guns from the men?

I saw this earlier yesterday.

I dislike piers Morgan quite a bit... it takes someone special to make him look good. This guy did it. eeeek

I'm not sure whether it's passion or sheer idiocy. I can't decide. I think if I was Piers Morgan I would have started really really taking the mickey out of him to raise him past meltdown. I didn't dig his silly English accent at the end... but what is funny is that when he started doing his UK accent it was the only time he seemed to make a decent point.

This has become very popular in the UK... it's sort of redeeming Morgan's career because he remained so calm. Damn you Alex!!

Come home Mr Morgan so you can be arrested =p

Alex did the right thing because Mr Morgan would no doubt will not let him speak and will probably call him names as he does to most of his guest. It was very sneaky of him to pull the 9/11 card on Alex because that has nothing to do with the subject and sadly Alex fell for his "conspiracy theorist" on the bottom screen trick for the viewers to see.

Alex was in full control and said what he needed to say. It's up to the American people to listen to him or the media who are now turning him into something he's not.

As for mr Morgan o_O what on earth is he doing there attacking the Americans? Has he ran away from us D=

I've always liked Alex Jones, yet rarely agree with him. I just like that there is someone out there questioning EVERYTHING.

He's mostly just entertaining to me though. He was best in the late 90's - early 00's when he was on the street with a megaphone yelling at random people. But I think if he seriously wanted to make a change he wouldn't get so borderline crazy when he gets amped up, especially while debating. That's one reason a lot of people will never take him seriously, but I guess it works well for his dedicated followers.

This documentary is a somewhat objective look at Jones and others like him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28film%29

I think he's attacking the gun law.

I really thought it would shock everyone... Alex Jones' aggressive and limited intelligence rant... making US people look bad.

It's quite scary to think he is the voice of America... Now I am worried. Please don't tell me that.

Morgan is a ponce... and I would hate to think anyone would think he was the voice of the UK...

"Alex.... Alex.... Alex....Alex... If I... Alex.... Alex.... Alex... Alex... The s.... Alex.... Alex... Alex... etc" He is a willy.

Please tell me Alex Jones (who I have never heard of) is like an actor or he isn't really arguing. Is he actually for real?

*EDIT*

Strike that... he's for real. Just watched some stuff.

Hey B, Morgan a ponce?
We know you can do a better adjective.  heeheehee.
Better not though, ramifications eh.

British?
Forget the B,r and i,  the first two are the last tripped after being told to be quiet onomatopoeically from the start.

Simple enough lol.

You know... I am an artist to the core and am absolutely bamboozled by cryptic clues. Seriously no matter how they are explained to me I just simply can't get do them. It's a shortcoming of which I'm not particularly bothered by but it does mean that I will say I haven't got a clue what you mean.

Ok... Here's how I read that...

Forget B,r and I... we are left with 'tsh'.... First two letters? ts? shhhh is an onomatopoeic way for being told to be quiet... tshhh? Tripped over?

See.. totally useless.

Actually... Morgan doesn't bother me that much.. he's just a knob. They Both are.

One is a guy who used to deal in human exploitation and the other one just doesn't know better. This was no argument for gun law in america. It was a joke.

I could pose a better argument for the pro gun side than Alex. He just shot himself in the foot (no pun intended) by answering Piers' question about 9/11. Sort of exposed him as a ranter who can't string a coherent sentence together. He reminds me a little bit of the type of crazy they would bring onto UFO programmes to make all UFO enthusiasts look like a bunch of absolute cuckoos. Any actual objective message getting through can just be completely annihilated by bringing up reptilians. Anything he answered was completely trashed by that 9/11 thing. It wasn't actually sneaky it was clever. It got the guy to basically confess that he was fundamentally against the same governmeACEnt that is put in place to protect the 2nd amendment.

I love getting into these discussions as a UK citizen because I have a unique view on firearms and US gun laws. I hold a Concealed semi automatic hand gun permit issued to me by the State of Texas and also an Armalite AR4/M16/M16A2/carbine Armorers licence, issued to me by the state of Louisiana and Shreveport, Caddo Parish police dept. Stick that in your gun and smoke it.

Me and Lurch from the Adams family. I am holding a MTAR-21/Tavor-2 bullpup The other guy an Armalite M4.


This is obviously an AK47. The film 'can' I'm holding is from Harry Potter. Look at the grouping.


and this is my FNP90. Look how happy I am to be owning my own high powered assault rifle using a 2nd party class 3 firearms and explosives permit. Who says working in Practical Special Effects doesn't have its merits?

Quote from: Bedeekin on January 09, 2013, 18:29:26

(http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/bedeekin/364_39271828803_3213_n_zps3bfb5355.jpg)

and this is my FNP90. Look how happy I am to be owning my own high powered assault rifle using a 2nd party class 3 firearms and explosives permit. Who says working in Practical Special Effects doesn't have its merits?

(http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/bedeekin/352_41647163803_7350_n_zps6e052611.jpg)

Is that you ?

Well, it is very clear as Morgan says that Alex Jones is a very loud, very obnoxious man.

I don't believe Alex Jones is as incapable of holding a debate as that "interview" would lead one to think though. I think he purposefully did this as part of his stagecraft; Alex Jones is good at engineering his personality to be what he thinks his viewers want to see. Rather than the base and senseless performance he gave, I tend to believe it was extremely calculated and planned out on his part.

Although I don't think I could agree with his choice of rhetoric, I do fundamentally think he is correct in this issue.

The US second ammendment is very clearly the right to revolution. Countless excerpts from Benjamin Franklin, John Jay's Federalist Papers, Jefforson's writings, and many others make very clear the population is meant to be armed in order to protect itself from eventual oppression by the government. In order for this to be meaningful, the population needs access to high powered weapons. Weapons like that have no place on the streets, and should not be granted public-carry licenses, but they also must not be kept from the hands of the population, and should remain boxed up as a reminder.

Obama is making motions to sign possible executive orders related to gun control. In doing so he entirely circumvents congress, which the constitution explicity states has the sole right to legislate on such matters. He is using a tiny clause of the consitution which allows the president to make orders on small clerical matters as justification to produce orders which violate both the letter and the spirit of the constitution as a whole, and I believe he should be held accountable for failing to uphold the constitution as he swore to.

I thought personal arms were to protect yourself from criminals or outside
enemies, not the government? The US government probably doesn't
trust their own people that much, why else have electoral votes
instead of presidential election by direct democracy?

Quote from: Pauli2 on January 10, 2013, 09:20:43
The US government probably doesn't trust their own people that much, ...

Also: The DHS bought tons of ammunition and then there are the FEMA camps which are being prepared to function as re-education camps. Seems they expect a civil war to start.

Quote from: M4RT1N on January 10, 2013, 06:02:34

Is that you ?

Yeah.

Quote from: Stillwater on January 10, 2013, 08:37:31
Well, it is very clear as Morgan says that Alex Jones is a very loud, very obnoxious man.

I don't believe Alex Jones is as incapable of holding a debate as that "interview" would lead one to think though. I think he purposefully did this as part of his stagecraft; Alex Jones is good at engineering his personality to be what he thinks his viewers want to see. Rather than the base and senseless performance he gave, I tend to believe it was extremely calculated and planned out on his part.

Seriously? If you actually listen he is rambling and bringing up irrelevant facts. He's like that person in a situation who has got the wrong end of the stick in a conversation and never gets invited again. That wasn't calculated otherwise he wouldn't have fell into the 9/11 trap that Piers set for him. But... it is evident that you are a slight fan of Alex Jones... I on the other hand don't like either of them at all.

Also.. this argument they are having is turned into a British/American thing as it is. Piers Morgan doesn't need to be there... really bad choice of interviewer. The USA doesn't need the UK to point out the massive rift between the country. They are doing that by themselves. So sad.

In the South... where I have spent time in the States... there are no school shootings. People in most parishes can leave their doors unlocked and don't need metal detectors at school entrances. Mainly because everybody probably owns a gun because of the very liberal gun laws. So to take the guns away from those who's life it is part of.... will instil a civil war.. for sure. The US is split at the moment and in an extremely sensitive time in their history. What happens in the next 5 years will be very important.

I'm very pro-gun and not a fan of either of them but Alex should have calmed down and could have done a lot better. Perhaps Alex acted like that because Piers was a total DB in an interview a few weeks with ago with Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America.

If Obama really wants to implement significant gun restrictions that will just ensure a huge turnout for republicans in the next election. 

Very true.

I don't know what the outcome would be.

See... I am pro-gun really. If I lived in the US I would strive to collect guns. They are fun... beautifully engineered. That's on thing I couldn't get over when introduced to them; how beautifully made they are. I am quite confident that I wouldn't shoot anyone. I have some antique and modern Samurai Katanas. I have never been tempted to use one. I have been woken in the middle of the night because of intruders and never once grabbed hold of a sword.

It's down to the person I think.

I had a fantastic conversation with a gun professor in Alabama. He actually has the biggest gun collection for a single civilian in the the US apparently. So you can imagine he has quite a few. He spent time in the UK for about 10 years. He actually made the astute observation that if the British were armed we would be relatively more trigger happy. I couldn't argue with that. We are more inclined to be cynical and angry at each other.

I have seen some of Alex Jones' broadcasts, because I watch a lot of alternative media (I like to get every angle I can); my opinion of his show is that he is selling fear-pornography- I think that he probably entertains every new-world-order-type conspiracy there is, largely for ratings.

That said, there is indeed slight overlap between my views and his (around 20%), because I support a small number of libertarian policies, and he happens to be an arch-libertarian (I think the public's will should have a big say in what wars are fought and which aren't; I believe the way the legal system, approaches scheduled substances needs to change; and I think firearms, as much as I dislike violence, especially violence in media, are a necessary pillar of a society that does not need to fear its government). I also think he is borderline psychotic and abusive to people who don't share his views, lol, and that his persona is fairly deceptive.

QuoteSeriously? If you actually listen he is rambling and bringing up irrelevant facts. He's like that person in a situation who has got the wrong end of the stick in a conversation and never gets invited again. That wasn't calculated otherwise he wouldn't have fell into the 9/11 trap that Piers set for him. But... it is evident that you are a slight fan of Alex Jones... I on the other hand don't like either of them at all.

I agree with you entirely. More so than the supposition I used in that quote... you quoted.  :-D

QuoteI thought personal arms were to protect yourself from criminals or outside
enemies, not the government? The US government probably doesn't
trust their own people that much, why else have electoral votes
instead of presidential election by direct democracy?

There was a lot said around the revolutionary time about the idea of "natural rights", which philosophers believed were granted by god or nature directly to every man. Along these lines, Samuel Adams says:

Quote"To vindicate these rights, says Mr. Blackstone, when actually violated or attack'd, the subjects of England are entitled first to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law--next to the right of petitioning the King and parliament for redress of grievances--and lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." These he calls "auxiliary subordinate rights, which serve principally as barriers to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights of personal security, personal liberty and private property": And that of having arms for their defence he tells us is "a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."--

Then there are numberous mentions from the federalist papers which all more or less explain that the language of the second amendment pertained specifically to the right to revolt:

QuoteThe Second Amendment refers to "a well-regulated militia."The right of the people to form citizen militias was unquestioned by the Founders.

A. The Federalist Papers, No. 28: Alexander Hamilton expressed that when a government betrays the people by amassing too much power and becoming tyrannical, the people have no choice but to exercise their original right of self-defense — to fight the government.[Halbrook, p. 67]

B. The Federalist Papers, No. 29: Alexander Hamilton explained that an armed citizenry was the best and only real defense against a standing army becoming large and oppressive. [Halbrook, p. 67]

C. The Federalist Papers, No. 46: James Madison contended that ultimate authority resides in the people, and that if the federal government got too powerful and overstepped its authority, then the people would develop plans of resistance and resort to arms. [Halbrook, p. 67]

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

You can go on and on to literally dozens of statements like this that make it explicit what was meant.

The high crime rates in some places of the US and the authorities poor
job of doing anything against it, leads me to wonder if the leaders
want criminals and thus more weapons to circulate. It's a circle.

Quote from: Stillwater on January 10, 2013, 22:05:01

There was a lot said around the revolutionary time about the idea of "natural rights", which philosophers believed were granted by god or nature directly to every man. Along these lines, Samuel Adams says:


Then there are numberous mentions from the federalist papers which all more or less explain that the language of the second amendment pertained specifically to the right to revolt:

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

You can go on and on to literally dozens of statements like this that make it explicit what was meant.

So constitutionally, guns have to be legally available if people decide to create a militia, correct?

Haha... in a roundabout way this can be correct. Or to be able to defend against a militia... visa versa

Quote from: Stillwater on January 10, 2013, 21:53:01
I have seen some of Alex Jones' broadcasts, because I watch a lot of alternative media (I like to get every angle I can); my opinion of his show is that he is selling fear-pornography- I think that he probably entertains every new-world-order-type conspiracy there is, largely for ratings.
That said, there is indeed slight overlap between my views and his (around 20%), because I support a small number of libertarian policies, and he happens to be an arch-libertarian (I think the public's will should have a big say in what wars are fought and which aren't; I believe the way the legal system, approaches scheduled substances needs to change; and I think firearms, as much as I dislike violence, especially violence in media, are a necessary pillar of a society that does not need to fear its government). I also think he is borderline psychotic and abusive to people who don't share his views, lol, and that his persona is fairly deceptive.

Same with me. I agree with Jones being a fear-(pornography)-monger. His personality is also ... well .. difficult. He should calm down once in a while especially if s.o. does not share his opinion 100%. He is a little crazy indeed. And this does some damage to the cause.

The cause itself, however, is not entirely bad. Although there are falsehoods and exaggerations, many issues they deal with on Infowars (as do other alternative media outlets too, of course) are really important. And on some issues, for me they seem really to be spot-on (e.g. GMO food, politics corruption and war mongery, the election charade, war-against-terror-pretense for drones and the growing surveillance Big Brother state, FEMA camps for reeducation of 'uncooperatives' (and this is TRUE, they linked a document form an army site!), etc.).

Remember it's not only A. Jones but he has a team. Some of them seem more reasonable to me. And for me this is REAL investigative and critical journalism, although it's controversial and exaggerated in some or aspects ... but I'd rather accept that (and a rising population does worldwide) than further being (force-)fed the state-propaganda corporate mainstream news only.

I don't read on the infowars or prison planet website a lot, btw, but mostly watch some of the clips on http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel.

Although I am not American I feel it is important to be informed for all of us as the US is dominating "the West" and everything that happens there also happens here in Europe on a comparable or even very similar scale (sometimes with a little time delay). Still, I am also on other alternative media outlets in my country as we have a few good ones now. It is growing and that is a good sign. And here are also many serious and reasonable people (REAL journalists!) far from being of a kind of mad men like Jones (or being like the mainstream "presstitutes"  :wink:).

Quote from: Volgerle on January 11, 2013, 13:47:18
"presstitutes"  :wink:).

Presstitutes, such a fitting name. I  submit a motion to vote that in as the number #1 word/title of 2013.

Anyone to second that motion, lol?  :-D

My god, if a person talked to me like that I will just stand up and leave!. Out of being so damn tired!.

About the guns; here is my opinion.

I understand guns are deep in America's culture. But to my mind, there has to be a tight control if you want to get a gun. I still don't agree with people having guns all around the world.

Here in Spain, having a gun it's illegal. That's it. I prefer to get robbed than killing a person to be honest.

It's more profound that everyone had one but never needed nor felt inclined to use it. That would never happen obviously, but it would show complete restrain.

I have been robbed a few times... I didn't kill them.. but I didn't exactly let them off with a light kiss on the cheek neither... 'attempted robbing' I think is a better description. Touch wood.  :wink:

Your cops have guns though don't they?

They surely do. But they surely wont shoot at us. If they do...oh boy.

You can see how Spain is right now, people in the streets fighting cops, actually trying to get the guys up there out of there, but cops are in the middle. We don't have anything against cops, it's their job. We're only against the ones up there messing everything up.

If the situation turned into a fire fight, well. I doubt some guns, and automatics will do anything against tanks and planes.

QuoteYour cops have guns though don't they?

Understatement of the century, haha.

There is a phrase in the US called "suicide by cop", which is to say that it doesn't take much to get an officer to shoot at you... looking at them twice can sometimes do it, and there are all sorts of times when people have had 20 bullets pumped into them, only for it to later be revealed they were reaching for their wallets.

And the police are over the years being outfitted with fully automatic weapons, high-powered snipers, and armor piercing ammunition, so much so that they have become a standing army in their own respect.

There has been a lot of anti-gun hysteria from politicians and the media lately. One thing that isn't getting enough attention is violent crime has decreased by around 50% in the last 20 years which is huge and that's despite there being more guns then ever in the US. The safest parts of the US tend to have the least restrictive gun laws. It makes little sense that most focus has been on military style semi-auto rifles like the ar15 since they are rarely used in crimes, they might be scary looking to some but it's naive to think another assault weapons ban would make a difference when the last one didn't. I think ending the war on drugs is the most realistic chance of reducing the homicide rate further.

Here is a pretty good objective overview of crime stats between the US and the UK which demonstrates the UK has a lower homicide rate but much higher overall violent crime rate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ooa98FHuaU0

Quote from: Stillwater on January 12, 2013, 12:26:42
Understatement of the century, haha.

There is a phrase in the US called "suicide by cop", which is to say that it doesn't take much to get an officer to shoot at you... looking at them twice can sometimes do it, and there are all sorts of times when people have had 20 bullets pumped into them, only for it to later be revealed they were reaching for their wallets.

And the police are over the years being outfitted with fully automatic weapons, high-powered snipers, and armor piercing ammunition, so much so that they have become a standing army in their own respect.

When I was leaving Texas after spending fun gun-times times with the SWAT teams and police I was sat with Marcus (who I went with) and Breck (the guy we stayed with) were sitting in Dallas airport. We were discussing the last couple of weeks and I got discussing how different the cops are in the US compared to the UK (lol) and Breck told me to approach the cop who was patrolling the Duty Free shops and ask what gun he used... be polite... explain who I was etc. So I did. I approached the cop and said "hi I'm Ben Phillips" he shook my hand "I've been spending time with the louisiana police department... in a good way" nervous giggle... complete straight face from cop - unflinching - "What were you doing with them?"... "I was making electronic flash grenades for the SWAT teams..." Impressed nod from the cop... "I was wondering... what sidearm do the Dallas police use? what do you have"...

He proceeded to take his gun from its holster (a Glock 22 40 cal), he removed the mag and checked the breech and handed me it to admire.

If you did the same thing in a UK airport you would probably get told to move along or get arrested.

That rant from Alex Jones is the BEST advert I have ever seen against the gun lobby.

I mean, the thought of a clearly mad and unintelligent man like AJ carrying a loaded firearm is seriously scary.  Seriously scary stuff.

The 911 ambush was genius. If there was ever any question that AJ is an insane man, it removed all doubt.

Bedeekin I must say you have some impressive firearms! I am a gun collector and so far I have...

Glock 19
S&W 4566 .45
Ruger LCP

.32 Winchester sp
Marlin .22 bolt action (scoped)
Ruger .22 semi auto (scoped)
AK-101 (actually chambered in 5.56 not 7.62 and it's Romanian)
AR-15
.300 WSM. Just got my scope for christmas...
Mossberg 500

and that's really it right now. I love going out to my step dads cabin and just plink cans and paper targets. I used to hunt but I really don't anymore. It's just so much fun (and actually an anxiety reducer) for me to just shoot at cans and stuff. I'll have to show you a pic of my garage sometime hehe... I don't go shooting much anymore though because ammo is so expensive and I got to be careful with my money.

I actually watched this video yesterday... I honestly just giggled. I try not to get too involved in these kind of debates and stuff. I support the second amendment though.

Quote from: catmeow on January 12, 2013, 18:10:10
That rant from Alex Jones is the BEST advert I have ever seen against the gun lobby.

I mean, the thought of a clearly mad and unintelligent man like AJ carrying a loaded firearm is seriously scary.  Seriously scary stuff.

The 911 ambush was genius. If there was ever any question that AJ is an insane man, it removed all doubt.

apart from scary Jones craziness, we should maybe not mistake ONE (out of many!) messenger for the message itself, e.g. you could maybe delve a little into the 911 matter and you will find out that a lot of things are strange about it, of course, it served the cause to make him even more ridiculous before the audience of a deluded and mass-hypnosed sheeple public who blindly follow what the corporate media feed them

.... but okay, I'm getting off-topic now  :wink:

Here's the thing... I live in the UK and am British and I keep the guns 2nd party with a law enforcement guy who holds a class 3 permit (I hope I got that right). He is actually a gun dealer in Louisiana who works for the local law enforcement and SWAT. It's a bizarre reason how that worked out. I haven't been back for a few years and intend to go visit this year hopefully. I will probably end up living in the US anyhoo.

One major downer of shooting automatics all weekend is the blisters on my thumb and the bruised shoulder.  :-D

I seriously find them fun and remove all death association with them... I find it quite chilling to shoot at human shaped targets. I get asked "Wanna go shoot Gaters?" I'm like... "No!!! But I would love to see them"

The same goes for my Katanas. They are beautifully made and no doubt designed purely for one thing... but I love them for their craftsmanship and I hold... no... HELD... a 2nd Kyu black belt in Togakure-Ryu Ninjutsu so know how to use them. I wouldn't dream of hurting anyone with them. It shudders me to think about it.

Well, guns for collecting, for shooting at targets...etc. It's not what is being discussed. No one has a problem with that. Or at least I hope so.

The problem is mates, those policemen do what they do because they can. Because they're allowed. Don't you see the problem it's not them?. The problem is the system itself, it has no control whatsoever. You don't know what are they doing with your money for starters. I mean, you don't even know what your government is doing... and that to me is insane.

Guns are a minor subject, a minor concern. I really think we have to understand, things can't keep working like this. I've seen so much "allowed crimes" in the last 2 years that yeah, it got me ticked off, but don't let them make you believe that "cops" are the "target".

A small example; Spain is in recession. Why?. Cause the system doesn't have anything to control itself, so they started building more houses than people lived in Spain; 100% employment in that time (60% in construction). 16 Year old kids, dropping from school to work in construction cause they got paid 2,000 euros a month. Now you have abandoned houses, you have an entire market that isn't moving. Debts, banks that have their money now worth in houses.
You know the funny thing?; they're kicking people out of their own houses, cause they don't have money to pay for rent (no jobs). How insane is that?.

There has to be a control system. It's common sense.

. Who should control them?. Either a department (that can be chosen, or changed if it's not working aka; getting corrupted). Or the people themselves. Country movements, earnings, debts...etc. To be made public.

Those are just two options.

P.S: I may have gone out of topic. Sorry folks  :wink: , had to get  that out

Quote from: Anonymouse on January 13, 2013, 07:52:09
Well, guns for collecting, for shooting at targets...etc. It's not what is being discussed. No one has a problem with that. Or at least I hope so.

The problem is mates, those policemen do what they do because they can. Because they're allowed. Don't you see the problem it's not them?. The problem is the system itself, it has no control whatsoever. You don't know what are they doing with your money for starters. I mean, you don't even know what your government is doing... and that to me is insane.

Guns are a minor subject, a minor concern. I really think we have to understand, things can't keep working like this. I've seen so much "allowed crimes" in the last 2 years that yeah, it got me ticked off, but don't let them make you believe that "cops" are the "target".

A small example; Spain is in recession. Why?. Cause the system doesn't have anything to control itself, so they started building more houses than people lived in Spain; 100% employment in that time (60% in construction). 16 Year old kids, dropping from school to work in construction cause they got paid 2,000 euros a month. Now you have abandoned houses, you have an entire market that isn't moving. Debts, banks that have their money now worth in houses.
You know the funny thing?; they're kicking people out of their own houses, cause they don't have money to pay for rent (no jobs). How insane is that?.

There has to be a control system. It's common sense.

. Who should control them?. Either a department (that can be chosen, or changed if it's not working aka; getting corrupted). Or the people themselves. Country movements, earnings, debts...etc. To be made public.

Those are just two options.

P.S: I may have gone out of topic. Sorry folks  :wink: , had to get  that out

Anon I hear you. It blows me away with the Police ride alongs I have done how many people yell at them thinking they create the laws. They just "enforce them." So many people do not understand that. It's interesting that almost every police officer I have talked to said they cannot stand the government, and if they were told to go door to door to take peoples guns away (which won't happen) They said they would quit the job before doing such a thing.

When Alex said- "SUICIDE MASS MURDER PILLS!" I laughed hard because I am on those. :lol: I have been most of my life. There were times in my life where I did in fact want to off myself. Was it medication doing it, or was it 17 years of not getting better and being miserable? I don't know. I do know that I do not give up no matter how miserable I am. I fight, and try my hardest to figure out what could be the cause of it and to change it.

I am doing pretty well these days and astral projection saved me. I know this may sound nuts but if everyone was spiritual and astral projected, and knew there was so much more than this... I doubt that there would be any crime at all. If there was it would be SUPER LOW and guns wouldn't even be an issue. Like you said, guns aren't the issue here. I strongly agree I should have the right to own an AR-15 to protect myself. I know... a 30 round mag and optics on it... tac lights... and people go why do you need that? Because it's my right! Hell, I think the concept alone of something being able to shoot a projectile 3,000 ft per second is astonishing. It interests me.

I wish he would have asked Morgan why all these felons (who aren't allowed to purchase a firearm of any kind) end up with them anyway and end up shooting at the cops. Take away guns from the good guys and you are stripping their right to defend themselves against the guys who will get them anyway and most probably don't care if you live or die.

I came across this last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7dZi_DFZQ

Quote from: Stookie_ on January 15, 2013, 11:14:10
I came across this last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7dZi_DFZQ

Yep, that  interview became the brunt of the Late Night TV show's focus. Jay Leno and David Letterman had their say as well.

Quote from: Stookie_ on January 15, 2013, 11:14:10
I came across this last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm7dZi_DFZQ

Hah, I love that.  :evil:

HAha... nice.

"Good people don't need laws to tell them to act responsibily, and bad people will find a way around laws." Plato

 When does this madness end? Now it's just getting plain ridiculous.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html

QuoteA 5-year-old girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a "terrorist threat."

I am getting really disgusted with that T word.

It pretty much means anyone doing anything negative in any way, or having any idea or stance the accusing group doesn't like or agree with, and it is so emotionally charged with melodrama that you can justify doing anything at all to any person you label it to.

It is in poor enough taste when governments and media use the word... does it really need to be applied to a little girl at play by her own temporary caretakers?

By this usage, little league games and playgrounds are brimming with "Terrorism".

children in Afghanistan and Pakistan are already considered terrorists, that's why they get killed a lot by CIA and military drones nowadays

:cry:

Yes entire villages of people are being wiped out more or less for no reason at all and it is never publicized- also in in places which the US even denies military prescence, like Iran. I have met people who were there when it happened, although I can't divulge who they are.

Make no mistake, the US, China and Russia are indeed commiting genocides on a daily basis.

Quote from: Stillwater on January 21, 2013, 17:23:15the US, China and Russia are indeed commiting genocides on a daily basis.

those are land masses

Quote from: Lionheart on January 21, 2013, 03:31:09
When does this madness end? Now it's just getting plain ridiculous.

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html

Got to be kidding! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. ... 'terrorist' 'threat' 'bubbles' ...