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Quote from: its_all_bad on May 16, 2013, 16:42:06For some reason, I can't watch anything from that website. Can you give me a rundown of what he says?I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
QuoteI am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.
QuoteYou even said we should be preserving the future, instead of preserving the past, in another thread made here on Pyramid destruction. We still have no idea what the Pyramids were built for and what their uses could be. We haven't delved deep enough into the mystery yet. There is valuable information to still be found in them. But, in many areas Archeologists are being blocked from digging deeper.
QuoteThey [Lionheart's accusations against you] show a distinct inability to comprehend collective consciousness...
Quotewe can barely communicate honestly and maturely among ourselves!
Quote from: Bedeekin on May 17, 2013, 12:53:51It would be so much easier to speak to you William through your Ouija board communication device. I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.
QuoteI find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 17, 2013, 17:31:20We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 17, 2013, 17:31:20We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves...
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 17, 2013, 16:47:32You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage.
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2013, 06:28:49Yes and no. If they have a prime directive like in Star Trek it would be more about the "ban" on contacting the collective (mankind) officially, e.g. the sterotypical scenario of a landing on the White House lawn and saying hello to the President.Of course the prohibition does not involve personal contacts (or groups who are open enough) also to start a slow process to help evolve the species (up to now done for millenia already I suppose) or help establish contact gradually in order to prevent a shock caused by the societal paradigm shift in case they did the 'mass contact / landing' thing.
Quote from: its_all_bad on May 18, 2013, 17:16:17Who exactly isn't ready to know? Is it mankind in general, organized religions and their followers, the boy scouts.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 18, 2013, 18:09:32There is a certain role that an aspect of Zeta Reticuli species have had in relation to human beings, which is zoological and veterinarian, as well as other scientific roles, and also 'God'...how would such information be reconciled?
Quote from: Volgerle on May 18, 2013, 18:40:44[1:] The expression 'zoological and veterinarian' implies that we regard us and consider us to be regarded by the ETs (greys and/or others) as sth inferior, even animal. However, this is open to debate, many channelled messages and information retrieved under hypnotic regression bears other messages from ETs, they talk about admiration and appreciation, since they see the soul essence in us which is not different from them. But of course this might be misinformation again ... who knows, and maybe there are different fractions and parties of ETs with different agendas and views of humans indeed ...[2:] I'm asking myself, however, if there are so many species out there, they must still somehow coordinate and work together or at least do some counselling amongst each other. E.g. who prevents any of the races to go it alone and make "official" contact by mass landing. It did and does not happen. So who or what (authority?) would be keeping them from it? I think this is a good argument to suppose a kind of policy (or 'prime directive').
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 18, 2013, 21:24:33Well, I feel that all things occur exactly as they are intended, and that there are reasons for all that happens, so whether there is a massive global visitation or full disclosure or not would of course be for some purpose, be it a learning opportunity or whatever.However, I personally feel that any mass visitation on a global scale in our current state would be highly inappropriate at this time. The entire global society is currently going through a massive transitional phase, both on a personal level as well as collectively, and is a transition that we must work through completely on our own. This is a period in human history that should not nor must not be interfered with by any perceived outside influences. I strongly feel that the next few decades, and maybe even the next 100 years will be a very defining moment in our history. How we make it through this transition will be and must be completely determined by the collective consciousess of Earth's global population, whether we "succeed" or "fail". But in all actuality there is no success or failure, there is only experience.If we not only survive but successfully thrive at the completion of this transitional period, we could potentially have a new global society never before experienced in Earth's history, and it could be us visiting them instead of the other way around.However, if we fail miserably to the point of near extinction, if not total extinction, then I guess whatever aliens that may or may not be observing us can just move on with nothing else to witness here, and we humans who had our chance on this planet can just continue experiencing life elsewhere.It just depends on what we choose to experience.Again, if there was a massive visitation, or even an invasion, this could majorly disrupt our path to enlightenment, and distract us from our Self. Even if it resulted in transforming society into a more positive one, we would have learned little, if anything at all, because the learning opportunities that we have created for ourself would have been taken away in the process. An event like this would deny us the choices we should have made on our own. If we don't learn from those opportunities then we could very likely make the same mistakes down the road, and this perceived alien rescue would have been for nothing.As it is today, the majority of society continues to look outside of themselves for a savior. Due in no small part to many of the religions and other belief systems, we continually look for some thing or event to rescue us from our perceived problems instead of looking within ourself for the solutions. A perceived rescue from a massive alien visitation would turn our attention onto them and away from ourself and only reinforce our belief that we can only be saved from someone other than ourself.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09Failure or success in terms of survival or extinction on a mass scale is not the most likely criteria. If we are talking in terms of 'spirit in a material world' then data of experience amounts to spirit utilizing the material universe in various forms, some of which are more apt - the human form seems able enough to be useful for gathering the data but not so apt at feeding back the data but it is likely not the form so much as distortion of data - for example, an individual who has experience to which he or she is unable to understand and they share the information with someone who they believe is more able to decipher that data and produce an understandable answer as to "why" - a role which tribal seers took on and cultures and religions evolved from. It is easy enough to see how this happens and for the more physical side of everyday life on earth it is education, science, finance and politics which have evolved to become that which will 'save'.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09In terms of 'only the physical' mass extinction might well be an answer to a problem perceived, even as 'spirit' finds that data of experience being gathered is of no particular value to its own evolution - I use the word 'spirit' but am suggesting rather 'collective consciousness of our species' and that extinction might well play a very important role - it has already been experienced at least once and other types of form to experience through developed as the dust settled.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09It is interesting to consider options - do we stand and watch as less fortunate countries suffer under harsh political laws and terrifying constraints or do we interfere? The decisions made are always political/business motivated and cost of interference must be weighed alongside possible return of investment and if there are to be no likely profits which offset the investment, then there will be no interference.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 16:43:09We cannot easily know what motivates ET to become involved or remain at arms length or what opportunities it affords their own 'species spirit' to learn by observing any others or indeed to what extent these species-spirits are entwined - what the relationship is at those levels of collective consciousness...how intimate they might be...for mostly, whether we are focused upon only the physical or consider also the 'spiritual' most of us as individual do not pay particular mind to such, content to play in our own subjective fields of experience and indifferent or simply unaware of the 'bigger' things occurring, and how those things might be viewing the reality unfolding and interpreting that unfolding in a co-creative mutually agreeable way - for reasons beyond the perceptions of individual human wants, desires, etc...
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 18, 2013, 21:24:33I'm just here for the ride.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 17, 2013, 16:59:45It would be interesting if you could elaborate on your anthropomorphic comment and why this amuses you Ben.
Quote from: Wi11iam on May 19, 2013, 22:18:13Interesting expression. While we all are, our 'rides' can be whatever meaningful thing we choose, or have no meaning at all. I want my particular 'ride' to find data of experience which might assist the 'spirit' of our species - for example, if I were addicted to porn, heavey drugs and violence as my preferred 'ride' the data of experience might be of minimal use - again - if I am ticking along in a worker role raising a family, paying a mortgage, that particular data may be as useful as the first example.Again, if I use an ability to traverse the integrate realities (AP) and fight dragons or play war-games, or hang out in malls or have sex etc...the data of experience may still be of little to no value.Therefore a particular type of data is of value - one which allows us as individuals to explore the 'deeper meaning stuff' associated with their ride, in relationship to the collective 'ride'.This attitude derives from ego-personalities understanding the importance of 'who they are' in relation to their shared reality with others in whatever existence of experience they are involved, rather than focus on the importance of their solitary life or the particular group (family, friends, like-minded etc) to which their 'ride' consists of.One thing for sure, one can't easily get to the realization that ego-personality is not the center of the universe of its experience (ride) without going through that phase...riding through it joyously rather than getting stuck in the role of...
Quote from: ForrestDean on May 19, 2013, 23:22:05Exactly!Which is why the practice of letting go is one of the most liberating things one can do.Be free. Enjoy the ride. Journey well.
Quote from: Lionheart on May 16, 2013, 11:25:00 Communication with who?
Quote from: Lionheart on May 20, 2013, 05:21:00 Wi11iam, I respect your honesty. I just returned from a show traveling on the road, so I didn't get a chance to read all of these replies when they first came in, until just now. But we could have done without all the problems and hardships that this caused both of us, if you just would have answered the question with a simple "ET's". No elaborate justification or explanation of any kind would have been needed. That's all I wanted to hear.