Wall paintings in Giza

[Pauli2]

Are these symbolic images of rockets going to a planet? Greys on two feet with big heads?

Paintings are in tunnels too small for humans!

http://wikileaksnews.net/robot-enters-secret-great-pyramids-chamber.html

[schockstuhh]

the pyramids are something i dream to visit one day. there's so much mystery to them. is there any reasoning as to why or how the tunnels are too small for humans? is it that they are too small for MODERN humans? or too small for humans from that time as well?

[personalreality]

how about, they weren't meant for humans to be in at all.

perhaps they were mechanical devices.

Christopher Dunn wrote a book detailing a theory that they pyramids were power plants.

Joseph Farrell wrote three books suggesting a theory that they were a giant weapons array 'a la the death star'.  (Thus the triology's title - The Giza Death Star).

point being, an anthropologist/archaeologist thinks from the perspective of their education, they wouldn't necessarily recognize an example of sophisticated engineering....

[Pauli2]

perhaps they were mechanical devices.

Do you mean that the paintings were supposed to be seen by mechanical devices?

[Volgerle]

pyramids can be found all over the world, the most will still be undiscovered due to long-standing geographical Earth changes and maybe even cataclystic events

Recenlty, I wrote sth about the (probable) Bosnian pyramids in another forum, if you are interested check it out, here is the link to my post as I don't want to repeat it here (many links given there):

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12318-The-Bosnian-Pyramids-(much-older-than-the-Egyptian-ones-!)

[personalreality]

Do you mean that the paintings were supposed to be seen by mechanical devices?

No, that the pyramids were mechanical devices of some sort, utilizing a form of physics that we are as yet not entirely familiar.

That's why I listed authors as reference, so you would know what I was talking about.  Look them up.

[Pauli2]

No, that the pyramids were mechanical devices of some sort, utilizing a form of physics that we are as yet not entirely familiar.

But why do the pyramids have small wall paintings, then?

[NoY]

Maybe the thought the spirit could see them when they depart down the tunnels towards the stars


:NoY:

[AndrewTheSinger]

Spirit needs no rockets.

[CFTraveler]

Spirit needs no rockets.

According to our beliefs.  Their beliefs could have been far different.  If they believed that the ka (or ba, I'm rusty on this) could use things like dolls or renditions of food, boats and weapons, why not believe that they could use rockets?
They wrote in walls for spirits to read them as far as we know.   But, they could have been there for other reasons- they could have written on the blocks  and then put it together, like "the rocket goes here":  Assembly instructions.

[personalreality]

But why do the pyramids have small wall paintings, then?

graffiti?

someone built them.

i just don't believe they are tombs.  nor that their use was strictly ceremonial.  or that they were built by humans 5000 years ago over the course of generations. 

and there are some that interpret the temple writings (which are the biggest reference to ka or ba or whichever one it is, i don't remember either) to be instructions for such practices as AP, not necessarily instructions for the afterlife, though that isn't ruled out just because it's a reference to AP as well.  and i'm not talking about little scribbles of paint up narrow shafts in the great pyramids.  i mean the carvings in temples across egypt (particularly Luxor).

also, i don't trust the guy who is (or was, something happened to him during the who egyptian revolution business) in charge of egypts antiquities.  i don't believe they waited a decade before they drilled through that stone door up that shaft.  i mean the guy found it in the early 90s and they didn't crack through until 2000's?!  BS.

you know there were what appear to be metal hinges on that stone door?

they don't talk about that much. 

[Pauli2]

graffiti?

The individuals who made that graffiti had to crawl through 20 cm wide and 20 cm high corridors.

With the exception that the graffiti was added before pyramid assembly, those paintings would
indicate that the painter was a very little... gnome? ...gray?

[AndrewTheSinger]

According to our beliefs.  Their beliefs could have been far different.  If they believed that the ka (or ba, I'm rusty on this) could use things like dolls or renditions of food, boats and weapons, why not believe that they could use rockets?
They wrote in walls for spirits to read them as far as we know.   But, they could have been there for other reasons- they could have written on the blocks  and then put it together, like "the rocket goes here":  Assembly instructions.

Yes, but those were for the passage of the souls, since they have to cross the regions. The spirit goes straight up.

There are though some images of aeroplanes and helicopters in abydos I think.

[AndrewTheSinger]

The soul is actually able to transform into a bird, wind, or anything, using the correct spell, at that time at least.

[personalreality]

was that hidden history website yours Andrew?

[AndrewTheSinger]

Yes Personalreality, I should update it but I've been so lazy hehe

And indeed, the greatest discoveries they make are secret.

[personalreality]

You should read the book that I've referenced here a few times the past couple days.

"Genes, Giants, Monsters and Men" by Joseph P. Farrell.

It's a good one.  I've read tons of these 'alternative history' books (i love them), and this one is really to the point and pulls from great resources, providing a lot of good evidence for the existence of high civilization in antiquity. Very good read indeed.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Nice, thanks, I'll see if I can find that one.

I like one called 'the Enigma of the Pyramids', by Alvarez Lopez. He follows the line of Flinders Petrie, investigating vessels made out of granite and diorite, and how they couldn't have been done with the use of copper tools as conventional egyptologists suggest.

edit - correct name Sir Flinders Petrie

[personalreality]

I haven't read Petrie, but I have seen the name referenced many times.

Von Daniken likes to focus on how ridiculous is the notion of copper tools and such being used to create the stone artifacts of the peoples of egypt, peru, central america, etc., might have been where i saw that name.  i think graham hancock may have referenced him too, though i don't trust hancock and his cohorts much anymore ("the stargate conspiracy" - interesting read).

[greenpen]

It's heiroglyphs for made in china

[greenpen]

graffiti?

someone built them.

i just don't believe they are tombs.  nor that their use was strictly ceremonial.  or that they were built by humans 5000 years ago over the course of generations. 

and there are some that interpret the temple writings (which are the biggest reference to ka or ba or whichever one it is, i don't remember either) to be instructions for such practices as AP, not necessarily instructions for the afterlife, though that isn't ruled out just because it's a reference to AP as well.  and i'm not talking about little scribbles of paint up narrow shafts in the great pyramids.  i mean the carvings in temples across egypt (particularly Luxor).

also, i don't trust the guy who is (or was, something happened to him during the who egyptian revolution business) in charge of egypts antiquities.  i don't believe they waited a decade before they drilled through that stone door up that shaft.  i mean the guy found it in the early 90s and they didn't crack through until 2000's?!  BS.

you know there were what appear to be metal hinges on that stone door?

they don't talk about that much. 

Zahi Hawass resigned as he claimed the artefacts were not being protected since the police withdrew. Don't know what happened since then though. He was always the one holding things back and refusing to cooperate. Darn, he's back again
http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=36964

[personalreality]

Zahi Hawass resigned as he claimed the artefacts were not being protected since the police withdrew. Don't know what happened since then though. He was always the one holding things back and refusing to cooperate. Darn, he's back again
http://bikyamasr.com/wordpress/?p=36964

That sucks.

There was an article in a magazine I read recently that said he was being brought up on charges for some reason or another.  Then there was the "spin" of his excuse, which you just shared.  But yea, he keeps coming back. 

I just don't trust him, or anyone in mainstream archaeology for that matter, and he stands in the way of some of the most impressive construction artifacts on the planet (not to mention the hidden artifacts that we have yet to find, but may well change our whol perspective of our history).

[CFTraveler]

There was a special on TV that was about Hawass- I was extremely surprised that they were able to show it.  In it they show how everyone is treated that works with him, and you see him throwing tantrums and treating everyone like crap, including withdrawing funding and it was really interesting how some of them learned quick how to kiss his butt and get treated better, while others 'forget themselves' and react normally to his capricious decisions and get abused for doing it.  There was one instance when they got lost in the desert, he decided that they would walk (and were rescued by bedouins) where one guy got very sick and feverish and was abused verbally when he just couldn't walk anymore.  Other horrible stuff happened, but every episode was very interesting.  I'd be surprised if anything comes out of this, though.

[greenpen]

There was a special on TV that was about Hawass- I was extremely surprised that they were able to show it.  In it they show how everyone is treated that works with him, and you see him throwing tantrums and treating everyone like crap, including withdrawing funding and it was really interesting how some of them learned quick how to kiss his butt and get treated better, while others 'forget themselves' and react normally to his capricious decisions and get abused for doing it.  There was one instance when they got lost in the desert, he decided that they would walk (and were rescued by bedouins) where one guy got very sick and feverish and was abused verbally when he just couldn't walk anymore.  Other horrible stuff happened, but every episode was very interesting.  I'd be surprised if anything comes out of this, though.

He has upset just about everybody. There was the scientist who confirmed the base of the sphinx had been damaged by water over a long period of time, Robert Bauvall, Graham Hancock and quite a few others. He insists that the pyramids were built 4000 years ago as tombs for the Pharaohs, in spite of the evidence suggesting otherwise. He refuses to let anyone use ground penetrating radar in search of the hall of records. He won't be around come December 31 2012 with any luck

[greenpen]

how about, they weren't meant for humans to be in at all.

perhaps they were mechanical devices.

Christopher Dunn wrote a book detailing a theory that they pyramids were power plants.

Joseph Farrell wrote three books suggesting a theory that they were a giant weapons array 'a la the death star'.  (Thus the triology's title - The Giza Death Star).

point being, an anthropologist/archaeologist thinks from the perspective of their education, they wouldn't necessarily recognize an example of sophisticated engineering....

That so called coffin in the Kings chamber was where the initiates went through their initiation ceremonies for one thing. Dr Paul Brunton has some interesting things to say about it in A search in ancient Egypt.