Astral experience and death question..

[Clarky]

Do you think that having a lot of experience with lucid dreaming and OBE's will help when I die?  For example will it be easier to come through to the physical in some way or other or show myself in others dreams.  Do you think I'll have some sort of a role given to me once I die perhaps? 

I've had lucid dreams all my life and there's not much I cant do now (when lucid that is, I'm still working on many things during OBE state) and I find myself teaching people how to fly, pass through walls and generally just creating things in front of me and watching others reactions.  Assuming there's more to life than the physical, I often wonder after experiencing all of this, whether I'll have a bit of an head start compared with somebody who hasn't experienced a lucid dream or OBE or someone that doesn't even remember any of there dreams because to them, surely all of this will be completely new..?

Just a thought.

[Blazewind]

I don't know about it being easier to show yourself to the living and things like that.  I would guess that that would depend on the level of perception of the living person involved.  As for you having a specail role in the non physical realms, it actually seems likely... to me anyway.  A projector, would, after all, have a head start on some things, compared to other people.  If you are already teaching people how to fly and things while you are still a living person, that has to mean something as well.
Of course all of us are specail in our own way, and we all do do something to impact the world while we are here on earth.  I seems like that one of the life missions of some people who project could be to do as you do and teach others to navigate the non physical world.
Something you never mentioned, but I will point out anyway, is that you likely also have an added advantage, in that you probably know with little doubt that you can survive physical death.  You have been out of you physical body and realized that you are still consous and aware.  I've always thought that to a projector, death must be almost just projecting, which they know how to do already, except that they time no body to return to that time.  To most people, death is a great unknown, and many greatly fear it.  Even I still have my own doubts about it.

Sorry for rambling everyone.  It's getting late here and I'm off on another of my Blazewind random philophoshy moments, lol.

[phitau]

Hmm, reading this lead me to think: The best way to die is during an OBE.

Think about it. You are already disconnected from your body, so whatever pain your physical body will experience it may not reach your spiritual mind. Therefore, everything is cool and you can now permanently live in the astral plane; whatever dimension that is.

Then again, I may rather choose to live my last moments with my physical body. Death is a part of life, and you may only be disgracing yourself if you do not spend the last minutes as you and it experience death. Also, not doing so could possibly hurt your karma, or keep you stuck in astral plane. Could this explain the reason for the existence of ghosts on earth?

Ah, the confusion. Someone please help!

What do the experts have to say? I might make a topic for this question if there's no response because now I'm very interested to know. 

[Blazewind]

I suppose this is starting to go a little off topic, but you really make a couple good points, Phitau.  Your physical body dying while you are projected certainly would be a very simple, and totally painless, and fearless way to die I suppose.  Of course, that does leave me thinking... how many people are truly in their bodies while they die anyway.  Depending on the cause of the individual's death, there could be some difference between the time the spirit leaves it's body and the time the body completely shuts itself down, and ceases to live.  I have a theory that perhaps we may not always be with our bodies until the moment it's heart stops beating.

You do mention though that dying during an OBE would mean not experiencing the physical pain the body would feel.  Now, assuming you were thinking of the body suddenly dying while you are projecting, where it was just fine and normally moments before, would the pain in hte body not count as a form of extream stress on the body.  Something that would cause it to pull the astral body back automatically.  For instance, let's say you were projecting and some psycho got into your home and silently enough to not wake you up, came into your bedroom and stabbed you in the chest.  Your body would suddenly be under an extram amount of sudden stress from the pain and the fact that it knows it could be in serious danger.  In an instinctive attempt to save itself, it would pull your copiousness back, so that you might try to call for help for something.  Therefore, while you would still likely die form that... so much for already being out, and missing all the pain and panic, right.
Of course I must also point out, even though I'm sure you knew this already, how unlikely a situation like that would be.  The chances of that happening would be almost impossible I would think.

I do think though that i for one, would like to experience death, while in my body.  I don't know, I just can't help but think that I might feel a little like I got the easy way out to die and never even feel at all like I am shifting over to a permanent nonphysical state.  Sorry... does that even make any sense, lol.   

[phitau]

Great insight, Blazewind.

Well, what I got from that post was: Just as your astral body can automatically return to the physical body in panic, the physical body can automatically call for the astral body in panic. Seems very logical. How about a twist, and this is probably what you tried to throw in there as well. It can be very true that people die while projected. Also in panic, since your bodies knows it's all over, you go into shock then automatically the soul leaves the body--astral projection. See that's what I believe when people astral project, their soul leaves the body.

Astral body = the life energy of a person = the Soul.

A little off topic, oh well ... 

[Blazewind]

Yes, I really do think that the physical body is able to call the astral body back in case of any need to do so.  This would not apply only in a panic situation really either.  Our bodied must be aware enough of what goes on around it, to still have the chance to take care of anything that should happen to come up while you are projecting.  Like, say someone had gone into a projection, and while his body is laying nicely where he left it, a small fire happened to start in the basement.  The body would likely smell the smoke and hear the smoke detector, and then on some level realize that something needs to be done.  It would have to pull the astral body back, and then get up and go downstairs to deal with the fire.  Or what if the telephone rang, or even your covers slipped off off the bed, and your body become uncomfortably cold.  These things would have to be dealt with as well, which would meancalling the astral body back right away.  I believe that it is that very strong link between the two bodies that keeps us so safe during projection.

[Clarky]

Its kind of what I've been thinking..

When I've projected and I'm floating about the house completely conscious of what I'm doing and aware that I'm actually asleep in bed, I think to myself.. if a ton weight dropped on my head right now, would I just remain here and end up as a ghost? and also... what if the only way to experience more than death would be to be in this state and if your not or if you don't consciously decide to project as your dying then that's all there is with no afterlife.  Its a heavy thought I know but what if all those ghosts that people have seen took it upon themselves as there dying, to project? and of course, can't return to there physical body.