Astral projection process / problems

[luffy28]

Hi,
I've been reading (and rereading) a book called Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. I'm reading the first edition (from 1999) for the first time in 8-10 years. Basically the process he says is:

1.deep physical relaxation.
2.trance state (started / sustained by a "falling" effect) - this is one of the most difficult parts for me.
3.projection technique and exit - I don't know a good visualization technique. I don't like / can't do the rope technique because I've never climbed a rope in my life. The same with the ladder version of this technique I've never climbed a ladder in my life before. I tried a technique after the "falling" effect was initiated / maintained. Swinging like spiderman. Another one I used is once the "falling" effect is maintained / entered I swung around a tower in the sky by holding onto a web like spiderman but swinging 360 degrees or in a circle.

For the trance state the best was imagining I was going down and then up some stairs.

Edit / after thought:
The first time I memorized / tried this I got what felt like small / medium surges of electricity going through my body after the second step. Then I tried exiting my body through going through at least 2-3 techniques. It kinda felt like my physical body was actually moving and I couldn't tell the difference whether it was my physical body or not.

More thoughts / replies after I get my first and / or more replies. Thank you.

[Astralsuzy]

It sounds like you are doing well.   Just keep practicing.   Let things happen naturally.   If you force it, it will unlikely work.   Do a technique that you like doing.    It does not have to be climbing a ladder.   It could be playing tennis, hitting a ball or a million billion other things.

[CFTraveler]

He's added a few things between editions, (and taken some stuff out), but in short, he has added "energy body loosening" in between trance and exit methods.  I agree with this, it keeps you from starting the exit method too early in the process and getting tired/fed up before it works.
I would not advise starting the exit methods until you're having some sort of symptom -then do energy body loosening and then go for the exit attempt.

[luffy28]

He's added a few things between editions, (and taken some stuff out), but in short, he has added "energy body loosening" in between trance and exit methods.  I agree with this, it keeps you from starting the exit method too early in the process and getting tired/fed up before it works.
I would not advise starting the exit methods until you're having some sort of symptom -then do energy body loosening and then go for the exit attempt.

What is energy body loosening? Are there any online articles about it. I checked out the second edition of the book a two or three years ago,but got bored of it.

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

Yes, in the Astral Dynamics.au forum, in the OBE R & D section.

[luffy28]

Yes, in the Astral Dynamics.au forum, in the OBE R & D section.

I tried reading the topic about it and didn't understand it. Would I have to read the second edition of Astral Dynamics in order to get a beginners tutorial on it?

I can check it out from my library.

Thanks.

[CFTraveler]

In the book he explains rather simply what it is and what it's for.  The edition that lists them is the 2012 edition, not the 1999 edition, although I remember reading about them first in M.A.P. (the book).
I'm not sure, other than the techs that are movement-based, what's difficult about them (I wrote most of them in the stickied thread, so you can ask me if you have trouble with a concept)-some of the techs are energy work based, and there are tutorials on them.