Second OBE, but where?

[coral1]

Hi lifeorange
 It sounds like you had a great projection!I`m impressed by the level of control you had.It took me alot longer to get the hang of it.
  I`ll sometimes start out in the RTZ and move to different locations. This sudden shift in surroundings occurs especially when I move through something like a window or door or for that matter the wall or the ceiling.It`s a very fluid environment and shifts in reality are common.I still have very little control over where I end up.I placed an intent to visit the Akashic Records library the other day and ended up in the lobby of a seedy hotel having sex with an ugly hooker behind the front desk. I think that was my subconcious taking over. That`s what makes this whole business so interesting;you never know what will happen next.

Happy Trails

[clandestino]

Hi there Lifeorange !

Thanks for sharing a great account with us all !

quote:I remember reading recently someone saying that it's really easy to get out of your body - the hard part is getting to the point where it's possible. Maybe there's something to that saying. What do you think?

Exactly - this is why it is easy for us to become frustrated, trying to project. No matter how much we practise, if we are not sufficiently relaxed / in the correct state of conciousness, 99% of the time we will not be able to exit our bodies.

quote:My question to you all is - does this happen often to you? Beginning in the real-time zone and ending up somewhere completely different?

I don't project regularly, but your experiences mirror mine. I've got a question for you ... Does it mean that we are moving from the real time zone, to an astral realm ? Or does it mean that we were in the astral in the first place ?!

cheers
Mark

[singularity]

Whoa.  My first reaction is, if you're telling the truth, you may be clinically psychotic.  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that.

But are you guys serious?  I've been a pretty open-minded seeker for a long time, but I've never experienced anything like that.

Are you talking about dreaming, or something else?  I have awesome dreams from time to time, and I'd love to cultivate that.  I saw that movie Waking Life, which was excellent.  I think about the thing where you're supposed to become aware that you're dreaming, and I'm not sure about it.  I seems to me that, in the kind of primo dreams I sometimes remember, it's not that I don't "know" I'm dreaming. I think my dreaming mind (for lack of a better word) is in a different place that it fully recognizes.  It's as real to me as real can get.  

Controlling dreams?  Sounds awesome but it's a long ways off for me.  

Back to OBE's though.  A strict definition has to be that a person is moving around without his or her body through everyday reality.  By "person" I guess I mean the conscious mind along with some physical senses - vision and hearing? Smell/taste? Touch?  And here's the clincher - the person is able to witness and report back on physical events which occurred out of the presence of his or her physical body.

I don't tend to believe it happens, but I could be convinced, I guess.

[lifeorange]

quote:Originally posted by singularity

Whoa.  My first reaction is, if you're telling the truth, you may be clinically psychotic.  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that.

But are you guys serious?  I've been a pretty open-minded seeker for a long time, but I've never experienced anything like that.

I'm telling the truth but I'm not trying to tell you something about objective reality. What I've written above is my recollection of my perceptions of something that happened to me. Very subjective, and I can't say one hundred percent that my experience is anything but invented by my brain (although I find that unlikely).

quote:
Are you talking about dreaming, or something else?  I have awesome dreams from time to time, and I'd love to cultivate that.  I saw that movie Waking Life, which was excellent.  I think about the thing where you're supposed to become aware that you're dreaming, and I'm not sure about it.  I seems to me that, in the kind of primo dreams I sometimes remember, it's not that I don't "know" I'm dreaming. I think my dreaming mind (for lack of a better word) is in a different place that it fully recognizes.  It's as real to me as real can get.  

Controlling dreams?  Sounds awesome but it's a long ways off for me.

I can't categorize what I experienced as a dream because of one single reason; I never fell asleep. Yes, I was sleeping but I woke up and from that moment I was completely concious until my experience was over. Well, except from my feeling of loss of energy and being back in bed. There's was no break in conciousness until then though.

But, then again, what exactly are dreams? I don't know, I'm still (and will be for a long time) trying to figure things out.

quote:
Back to OBE's though.  A strict definition has to be that a person is moving around without his or her body through everyday reality.  By "person" I guess I mean the conscious mind along with some physical senses - vision and hearing? Smell/taste? Touch?  And here's the clincher - the person is able to witness and report back on physical events which occurred out of the presence of his or her physical body.

I don't tend to believe it happens, but I could be convinced, I guess.

Well, I was adhering to that strict OBE defintion very well until I threw myself through the bedroom window. I don't know what happened or where I ended up. Maybe I did fall asleep, maybe I did enter into a state of dreaming. I guess I can't say for sure and perhaps I never will.

However, I think like this; even if I'm having nothing but subjective, illusional experiences of our reality, I find them so fascinating that I want to share my experiences with others and listen to theirs.

Wragh! I've been studying the whole day and my head is full of stuff. Trying to piece my thoughts together in a language not on my mother-tounge list is harder than I would like it to be. Hope you understand what I'm trying to say.

[lifeorange]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

quote:My question to you all is - does this happen often to you? Beginning in the real-time zone and ending up somewhere completely different?

I don't project regularly, but your experiences mirror mine. I've got a question for you ... Does it mean that we are moving from the real time zone, to an astral realm ? Or does it mean that we were in the astral in the first place ?!

I really don't know. I do know that this state of being is extremely sensitive to any inner "disturbances" like thoughts and feelings. Maybe one of the more experienced travellers can shed some insight?

coral1; I think the fact that I had somewhat more control this time than last is only due to lucky circumstances. I had a lot of energy the day before and a really good meditation session before I went to sleep. And I still felt rather out of control

L.

[coral1]

Hi lifeorange,
 I believe that OBE AP LD`s and dreams share alot of common ground and frequently achieve all these states during the same experience.The difference between them is the degree of consciousness you have and the level of your energy.I find that the longer I stay out the less control I have and the more dreamlike things become.As concious control of the situation lessens the subconcious starts to take over and random emotions and feelings start to affect the environment.RB says in Astral Dynamics to keep your early adventures short to keep things under control.This also helps to retain memories.
 Although we need certain definitions in order to discuss these things in the forum I don`t much worry about whether a projection was an OBE AP or LD.Science can`t explain dreams let alone these other states of consciousness and it seems to me that it`s easy to get lost arguing semantics.No matter what you call it,I know exactly what you`re talking about.You`re off to a great start and it gets easier with practice.Don`t hesitate to try different things and find out what works for you.

Happy Trails

[OverDriven]

quote:Originally posted by singularity

Whoa.  My first reaction is, if you're telling the truth, you may be clinically psychotic.  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that.

But are you guys serious?  I've been a pretty open-minded seeker for a long time, but I've never experienced anything like that.

Are you talking about dreaming, or something else?  I have awesome dreams from time to time, and I'd love to cultivate that.  I saw that movie Waking Life, which was excellent.  I think about the thing where you're supposed to become aware that you're dreaming, and I'm not sure about it.  I seems to me that, in the kind of primo dreams I sometimes remember, it's not that I don't "know" I'm dreaming. I think my dreaming mind (for lack of a better word) is in a different place that it fully recognizes.  It's as real to me as real can get.  

Controlling dreams?  Sounds awesome but it's a long ways off for me.  

Back to OBE's though.  A strict definition has to be that a person is moving around without his or her body through everyday reality.  By "person" I guess I mean the conscious mind along with some physical senses - vision and hearing? Smell/taste? Touch?  And here's the clincher - the person is able to witness and report back on physical events which occurred out of the presence of his or her physical body.

I don't tend to believe it happens, but I could be convinced, I guess.

You have much to learn.

[singularity]

quote:Originally posted by OverDriven
You have much to learn.

I don't doubt that for a minute.

So, what are we talking about?  Do you contend that "literal" out-of-body experiences, as I defined them, can actually occur?

Are all of you familiar with the hospital room experiments that have been done involving random number generators?  (Strictly speaking they concern NDE's, but same principle I think.)

[Mustardseed]

Yes my friend they are indeed real experiences and many of us have been having them for years. It is entirely possible that you have too but that you might have "forgot" or blocked them out.

They vary, but let me tell you in confidence , they are real as real as the computer you sit by and the table it is on....reach out and touch it.........come on.

Then think of your life in context to that.

Regards and blessings as you start out on your path

Mustardseed

[OverDriven]

quote:Originally posted by singularity

quote:Originally posted by OverDriven
You have much to learn.

I don't doubt that for a minute.

So, what are we talking about?  Do you contend that "literal" out-of-body experiences, as I defined them, can actually occur?

Are all of you familiar with the hospital room experiments that have been done involving random number generators?  (Strictly speaking they concern NDE's, but same principle I think.)

I am absolutely saying they are real.  There are many experiments that have been conducted that show very strong evidence for the existance of OBE.  Many experiements have also failed.  Everyone will say this, but you have to try for yourself.  What do you have to lose?

[TheSeeker]

Hello LifeOrange, interesting experience, this is similar to what happened to me about a month ago.  The scenery wasn't exactly right when I went through the ceiling, I think that I did not have enough energy, or I wasn't as focused/concious as I should have been.

[singularity]

quote:Originally posted by OverDriven

quote:Originally posted by singularity

quote:Originally posted by OverDriven
You have much to learn.

I don't doubt that for a minute.

So, what are we talking about?  Do you contend that "literal" out-of-body experiences, as I defined them, can actually occur?

Are all of you familiar with the hospital room experiments that have been done involving random number generators?  (Strictly speaking they concern NDE's, but same principle I think.)

I am absolutely saying they are real.  There are many experiments that have been conducted that show very strong evidence for the existance of OBE.  Many experiements have also failed.  Everyone will say this, but you have to try for yourself.  What do you have to lose?

I'm ready, bruthas and sistas.  My body pretty much sucks anyway, I'd love to shed it once in a while.  

Plus, my "real" life ain't so hot these days either.  It resembles nothing so much as the field of some epic battle, one in which all sides have just been pretty much slaughtered.  As dawn rises, heaps of dead bodys, ruined structures and wrecked war machines litter the silent, gently smoking landscape as far as the eye can see.  Look up into that dead tree.  See the entrails and body parts hanging in the high branches.  Already, the jackals and hyenas have started their gang fighting on the periphery, jockying for position in anticipation of the coming feast.

Bah!  Where was I.  Is there a good thread or article on the site you folks can point me to, something to help me get up to speed on OBE's.  I'm ready!

[TheSeeker]

Read the Treatise on OBE on the main page, filled with good information and techniques.

[OverDriven]

Go to www.robertpeterson.org and you can read his first book online for free.  Its one of the best on the topic and its the first book I read.  I think its better even than Astral Dynamics IMHO.

[ThE_MaStEr_Of_PuPpEtS]

hmm. well i guess i can tell you of a dream or obe (you decide what it was) that i had.

It seems that I go to this place often, but its nowhere i have ever been in real life. It seems so real: smells, touch, texture. There is a huge waterfall near by and a bridge over the water just before it. There is a tall cliff with some sort of resturant or get-to-gether place on top of it. Every once in a while the are tornados slowly twisting around over the water but no one else seems to mind, as if it is normal like entertainment. There is also a beach right by the water fall but its not dangerous to swim in the water but it is if you swim into the rapid current. There is also this strange house near by too. It seems so real and I even know the directions to this place from my own house. I can feel the breeze of the wind ,smell the water and plants, and feel the temperature of the water.  It seems I go there a lot but it doesnt exist as far as i know in the world.

[holy reality]

quote:Yes, I was sleeping but I woke up

Are you sure?

I feel strange deja vu... like I have posted this exact same thing before.... but...

Maybe you didn't really wake up and it was all a dream.

That doesn't matter too much since you said you more or less induced vibrations while in bed if I recall correctly... LD, AP, all the same... OBE? I dunno.....

This is what I feel anyway based upon my current experiences.

[lifeorange]

Hi all!

I wrote my first post in these forums a couple of weeks ago telling you about my very first OBE. Since then nothing spectacular has happened - until this morning.

I had my alarm clock set quite early (06:30) as I have an upcoming exam to study to. However, I felt a bit drowsy after waking up so I decided to go back to sleep after visiting the bathroom and drinking some water. Before I fell asleep I went through the nights unusually vivid and coherent dreams.

Suddenly I woke up again only to find myself in the middle of heavy vibrations. Remembering last times syrupish feeling and distorted sight I told myself that this time would be different. I literally jumped out of my body and threw myself through my bedrooms only window, expecting to find myself on my balcony.

I was rather surprised as I found myself somewhere completely different. The first thing that struck me was that I "fell" down to a street from what seemed to be the third or fourth floor. My real-life apartment is on the bottom floor. I actually didn't reflect on that too much as I was eager to get away from my body and that pulling-me-back feeling.

My perception of my environment was much improved compared to my first OBE though. I could clearly make out my surroundings. I could still feel something pulling me back to the house in which my body supposedly lay but it wasn't nearly as bad as the last time. However, my main concern was still to get as far away as possible as to be able to relax and stop for a moment to meditate upon the situation.

I don't know how I remembered it but I actually stopped for a moment to take some astral breaths as Jeff suggested in an earlier thread. However, much to my surprise I could somehow feel my physical body taking those breaths. It felt relaxing and invigorating but somehow in the "wrong end", if you understand.

As I was walking/hovering/running down a street I did take a good look around though. I was in a city, but it was not the city in which I live. The world was dimly illuminated as if at nightfall. There were houses with lit windows on both sides and even if I couldn't see other people I felt their presence in the houses. At one point I stopped beside a reddish concrete wall and was stunned because of the completely real feeling of touch when I put my hand to the wall. I could really feel the texture and coldness of the material.

I was puzzled as to why I felt as I was the only one "in action" in the city. I wanted to get an overview so I tried to gain some altitude. As I looked to the sky I did see something moving though. I have no idea what it was but it felt artificial in some way but otherwise completely neutral. Inanimate perhaps. However, at that moment I felt that I didn't have enough energy to stay out anymore and the next thing I remember, well, I was back in my bed, wide awake.

I'm very fascinated with the whole episode as I obviously were *somewhere* but I have no idea where and if the place exist in this world or not.

My question to you all is - does this happen often to you? Beginning in the real-time zone and ending up somewhere completely different?

I'm also astonished with how easily I got out of my body. I didn't have to think twice, I just stood up and got out. I remember reading recently someone saying that it's really easy to get out of your body - the hard part is getting to the point where it's possible. Maybe there's something to that saying. What do you think?

Hope you managed to read through my post. I try to keep them short but they seem to turn out rather long []

Peace and clear skies!