I read it many places that you can in fact eliminate or reduce the fear of death if you are an astral projector.
Are there any experienced projectors that find this is true? how has your outlook on death changed since you have been doing this? are you totally confident that death is just another type of OBE experience?
Quote from: Gummage on June 13, 2014, 16:53:43
I read it many places that you can in fact eliminate or reduce the fear of death if you are an astral projector.
Are there any experienced projectors that find this is true? how has your outlook on death changed since you have been doing this? are you totally confident that death is just another type of OBE experience?
It's the knowledge that you continue on after this physical reality. It brings a lot of people peace regarding the subject of dying.
When you see it as "transitioning", it makes it easier to accept! :-)
Yes, it's true. If I have any fear of death left, it's of suffering prior to death and of dying prematurely because I have a child. When it's my time to go, I will welcome the transition! :)
Quote from: soarin12 on June 13, 2014, 20:12:43
Yes, it's true. If I have any fear of death left, it's of suffering prior to death and of dying prematurely because I have a child. When it's my time to go, I will welcome the transition! :)
Leaving family and friends would also be a concern for me... not exactly a "fear", but a concern of them being comfortable.
Apart from that, I'm with you! It'll be party time! :D
All of you guys are talking about transitioning as if we were living in the 1800's. Hahaha Here is why. Most people don't die by family in their home in a comfortable familiar place. They often have invasive costly surgeries at the end of their life that often just adds unneeded pain and suffering for a little extra time often without giving them quality of life or just making things worse mentally. Meaning the medical community doesn't care about costs or how you feel or what family says if your not mentally competent to make your own decisions. The only thing that can often stop them from doing all these things is by doing an advance directive and have a knowing and trusted doctor or two to sign it with at least one family member that will carry out your wishes. And you have to be very clear about what you want and don't want at different possible stages of death on that advance directive. And if you don't and especially if you end up in a faith based hospital. Catholic or christian then don't be surprised if they keep you alive as long as possible. Even in a hospice they will keep you alive even if you refuse food they will force-feed you. The reason they have to keep you alive as much as they can often is because they don't want to be sued later on either by the patient when their better, or by a family member. So there is nothing you or your family can do if the patients life is in danger of dying. They will do everything they can to keep you alive even in old age. Unless you are of good sound mind they will do whatever is necessary to keep you alive even if it takes away your dignity which many times is not the case.
Many of you have no idea what life is like at the end of life for many people. Much less what it feels like. Their job is to keep you alive unless you have an advance directive specifying that if you refuse food and liquids that they shouldn't force-feed you. And even then in Catholic hospitals they will likely force-feed you even if every cell in your body is ready to die. It's terrible. They talk about only God can take you life. Yet they play life and God by keep those at the end of life in a state of suffering. It's terrible. Whoever leaves it up to the system without doing anything is playing Russian Roulette with their dignity and their very own being. Don't leave it up to the system folks.
My personal advise to anyone that is competent enough to make medical decisions for themselves is that they get an advance directive. Have it signed by at least one good Doctor of yours. Make sure they will fulfill all your end of life needs when your near death. Most importantly pick the VSEDed option. Which stands for "Voluntary Stopping Of Eating And Drinking." Secondly you want to make sure that you can die at home preferably with palliative sedation with a caretaker of some sort. I forgot what they are called. The idea is that you stop eating and drinking everything. Even having liquids can cause more suffering, it's best to have nothing which will make exiting life easier.
Here are some resources.
All the information you need about this type of end of life option is found here.
https://www.compassionandchoices.org/
Exit International
www.exitinternational.net/
Final Exit Network
http://www.finalexitnetwork.org/
I have been close to death once in my life and lived to talk about it. Take it from me. This is what I always like to say: "My life, my death, my choice, because we should be able to control our death, as much as we control our life." 8-) Of course there are some exceptions to that rule of thumb. :wink:
I forgot to add the type of death you get is important. In fact there are sects of Hindus which practice death by starvation. Which is what I recommended. Now when I and we say starvation. We often think Holocaust. No that is not the type of death I am thinking of OK. I am thinking of being at home with palliative care sedation. And just letting go. While doing VSED - Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking. And let the natural process of death come and naturally take us when we have fully lived our lives to the fullest. Now what I want to point out here is that this option has been a spiritual option for avid meditation users in certain sects of the Hindu religion. Even in Buddhism which doesn't advocate this even they say getting a good death which high consciousness is needed. In fact meditation for them is learning how to die at the end of life. They spend their own lives doing it. Since for them meditation is the path they use at death. I can go into much much more detail here. But the whole idea is to get a good death least a bad death colors the pure stable mind and pull it down at the most vulnerable time of life death. The biggest vulnerability would be certain diseases which can wreck havoc on the body and soul in such a vulnerable time.
Prayopavesa (Sanskrit: प्रायोपवेशनम्, literally resolving to die through fasting)[1][2] is a practice in Hinduism that denotes the suicide by fasting of a person, who has no desire or ambition left, and no responsibilities remaining in life.[3] It is also allowed in cases of terminal disease or great disability.[4][5] A similar practice exists in Jainism, termed Santhara.
Sallekhana (also Santhara, Samadhi-marana, Samnyasa-marana), is the Jain religious ritual of suicide by fasting. Due to the prolonged nature of sallekhana, the individual is given ample time to reflect on his or her life. The vow of sallekhana is taken when one feels that one's life has served its purpose of a person, has no wishes/ambition/desires left, and no responsibilities remaining in life. It is also allowed in cases of terminal disease or great disability. The purpose is to purge old karmas and prevent the creation of new ones.[1] There exists a similar Hindu practice known as Prayopavesa.
According to the Press Trust of India, on average 240 Jains practice sallekhana until death each year in India.[2]
Anyway I am only saying this since I have been close to death. And it's not pretty most of the time. Stay informed my friends. Ignorance about what is actually going on can lead do suffering.
Peace.
Nothing besides your Intent while you pass matters. Absolutely nothing else. Intent is, LITERALLY, everything in consciousness. :)
Quote from: Xanth on June 13, 2014, 21:34:59
Nothing besides your Intent while you pass matters. Absolutely nothing else. Intent is, LITERALLY, everything in consciousness. :)
I agree and I disagree Xanth. You may have a strong mind right now. But let's say you get Alzheimer's disease and you can't even think straight. You go year inside of a mental hospice not even remembering who you were and what your life was about. You can hardly recognize family. And you may have memories of the astral but you don't know how to quantify that in your life. Now let's say it gets worse and your mind starts degrading more and more. And your in a daze unable to have any control in this world. Or better yet for the sake of argument. Let's say you get cancer on top of it. And your doctors don't notice until it's too late and you end up dying a violent death with stress hormones being released causing convolutions and just a total break down of everything physical and of dignity in your whole experience. You may be disgusted by such a thought. But such experiences aren't unheard of. All I did was combine to possible things that can happen. Both of these things I have heard can and do happen. I realize as of now your soul and spiritual is in charge but one day that tables might turn on you and or anyone that is ignorant of how most people die. And I don't want to sound mean, that is just the way it is for many people. It's just the truth.
If you think your going to pass away in your sleep like everyone wants and hopes for then good luck. It doesn't happen like that. If you die in your sleep it's because your body is breaking down which inevitably cases stress and suffering and disease most of the time. There are a very few cases where you can die in your sleep. But those are very far few in in-between.
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[Edit: Sorry I mean to say: And I hope you don't tell me that conscious intent will save you from Alzheimer's disease or any disease]
And if push comes to shove you might end up like the one guy I heard about on Doctor Oz where he had a compressed spinal nerve in his head or something like that. And he was steaming at the top of his head for days until he died. I really don't like to bring these terrible stories up, just please take my word for it. The body has a powerful pull on the soul when put under stress of death and is dying. It's not like going to sleep.\
Peace and when I say it I mean it.
BTW I agree with you Xanth that intent can be everything. This depends partially on how advanced you are in consciousness before death. But I wouldn't count on consciousness and intent alone. You should do more about it in preparing for the stress at the end at death IMHO. Then again you would have to be a Buddha to have and intent strong enough to able to have a good death in a car accident. Just meaning a death with great stress.
And yes Xanth I hope you do get a relatively good peaceful death. There's just no guarantee. We all like to have assurances from our spiritual leaders that everything is going to be OK. There just no guarantee what will happen to the soul given certain stresses that can be put on it at the end of life. Some stresses my increase spiritual experiences other may decrease them and make them worse. There's just no guarantee. So to be sure take both routes to be safe. Conscious intention to let go and VSED. :wink: The only guarantee might be if you become enlightened. :wink:
Edit you may increase or decrease the endogenous molecules your body needs to have astral projections. Like DMT 5-MEO-DMT and other chemicals needed to astral project. Sorry I can just go on and on. Partially since I have had personal experience with this and partially since I don't have much to do right now. If you don't want to take my word for it I hope someone else will.
Peace.
LOL I imagine you in real life to be someone who speaks just to hear the sound of their own voice. :)
Intent isn't always consciously set. There isn't an action you take that isn't driven entirely by your Intent.
The only thing I fear about death is the thought of my children not being OK without me.
I remember when I was a kid (about 5 years old) crying in my bedroom as I had come to the realization that we were all going to die. My dad came in the room and asked what was wrong...I said "I don't want you to have to die one day" and he replied "why not? I want to die one day, infact I cant wait to die then I will be free"
I asked "will you go to heaven?"
he smirked and replied "no baby I am going straight to hell"
For some reason that conversation released alot of my fear about death
Quote from: Xanth on June 13, 2014, 22:46:32
LOL I imagine you in real life to be someone who speaks just to hear the sound of their own voice. :)
Intent isn't always consciously set. There isn't an action you take that isn't driven entirely by your Intent.
LOL actually I don't talk a lot in real life like that though sometimes I can get a bit talkative but it's never out of social acceptance. But even if I did talk like that in real life it doesn't mean I am wrong either. There are just certain things I feel very strongly about. And I obviously have a lot of practical reasons why I believe what I believe. I guess some people just don't care about practical reasons. :-(
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on June 14, 2014, 01:19:46
LOL actually I don't talk a lot in real life like that though sometimes I can get a bit talkative but it's never out of social acceptance. But even if I did talk like that in real life it doesn't mean I am wrong either. There are just certain things I feel very strongly about. And I obviously have a lot of practical reasons why I believe what I believe. And I guess some people just don't care about practical reasons. :-(
Plasma, you are so totally on the money. Death is rarely a pleasant experience these days. Most people have absolutely no idea what it involves. My father has severe dementia, he literally has a 3 minute memory. He is stone deaf, and can not be taught how to use a hearing aid (he completely forgets within minutes, even if we can get him to understand). Serially incontinent,, with carers needing to clean up faeces from his flat daily. I shalln't go into any more detail, but this is normal for dementia. Anybody who thinks that death is simply getting slowly a bit weaker, and then passing away peacefully in their sleep, doesn't understand the process.
I find some attitudes on this board heavily steeped in the naivety of health and relative youth. People untouched by health issues, who say that "we create our own reality", who have never experienced chronic severe pain. People who talk about "intent" who have never experienced the truth of alzheimers. Etc. I read some remarks, from people who still have the luxury of relative good health, and literally laugh at the myopically ill-informed opinions. I am truly not getting at anybody, I had the same naive opinions as those I have just criticised, whilst I still had the luxury of not seeing, knowing, experiencing the truth of failing health.
None of us, on this board, actually has the true skills to create our own reality. It's a nice idea, but the truth is different. Try putting a bullet through your knee cap and creating a reality in which your knee is working nicely and you're not in agony. Just think about it. I have a leaflet here on my coffee table from the "Campaign for Dignity in Dying" and I'm going to join up and send some money. I truly wouldn't wish my Father's life on anyone. We wouldn't put a dog through this, and I don't want to go through it either. Plasma, absolutely on the money. Great posts.
Quote from: catmeow on June 14, 2014, 03:34:07
Plasma, you are so totally on the money. Death is rarely a pleasant experience these days. Most people have absolutely no idea what it involves. My father has severe dementia, he literally has a 3 minute memory. He is stone deaf, and can not be taught how to use a hearing aid (he completely forgets within minutes, even if we can get him to understand). Serially incontinent,, with carers needing to clean up faeces from his flat daily. I shalln't go into any more detail, but this is normal for dementia. Anybody who thinks that death is simply getting slowly a bit weaker, and then passing away peacefully in their sleep, doesn't understand the process.
I find some attitudes on this board heavily steeped in the naivety of health and relative youth. People untouched by health issues, who say that "we create our own reality", who have never experienced chronic severe pain. People who talk about "intent" who have never experienced the truth of alzheimers. Etc. I read some remarks, from people who still have the luxury of relative good health, and literally laugh at the myopically ill-informed opinions. I am truly not getting at anybody, I had the same naive opinions as those I have just criticised, whilst I still had the luxury of not seeing, knowing, experiencing the truth of failing health.
None of us, on this board, actually has the true skills to create our own reality. It's a nice idea, but the truth is different. Try putting a bullet through your knee cap and creating a reality in which your knee is working nicely and you're not in agony. Just think about it. I have a leaflet here on my coffee table from the "Campaign for Dignity in Dying" and I'm going to join up and send some money. I truly wouldn't wish my Father's life on anyone. We wouldn't put a dog through this, and I don't want to go through it either. Plasma, absolutely on the money. Great posts.
God, thank you so much catmeow, I finally feel vindicated by someone here that seems to have some real experience with the spiritual and death. Yeah it's just ridiculous what happens to many people at the end of their lives. Most people don't know what death is like anymore. We send our family to the hospice or the hospital or some medical place mostly unaware of what death is actually like. Cancer can cause some of the worst suffering. You know throwing up fecal matter of the intestines. Catmeow is right we wouldn't even let that happen to our pets. In fact they put our pets to sleep. All this stuff about keeping people alive at the end of life comes from the Abrahamic religions, and the medical community that sometimes wants to keep you alive to make money, but also to prevent themselves from being sued. But many times I bet the reason why they have to prevent themselves from being sued is form people from the Abrahamic religions that think only God should take their life. So the reasoning for us keeping people alive is mostly based on BS. Let nature take it's course don't interfere with the process when every cell in your body wants to die and leave already.
We give our dogs and cats Nembutal for their death and they pass away relatively peacefully depending on if they were already suffering. They just go to sleep. But for us we have to get the special treatment for the mostly ridiculous reasons.
Xanth I got one question for you if you got beat up really badly, and you were in the hospital under a lot of stress, and you were going to die, do you think you can use intent and consciousness to give you a decent death, much less peaceful death? That is what death is about many times. It's about a lot of stress and eventually it leads to breakdown and stress with breakdown can cause a LOT of suffering. Cellular stress when it's aging. So just because you don't see old people with wounds all over doesn't mean they aren't greatly suffering. Many of them don't even have the will or energy to do much of anything. We are talking whole mind and body stress many times when your on your death bed. So please just honestly answer that. Sorry I don't mean to put you on the spot. LOL
Again I've been close to death with physical mental breakdown, so I know all too well what is really possible when the body and mind breaks down.
And I would like to thank you again for your input here Catmeow. I hope you go for the VSED option or something better than what the system has in store.
Peace.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on June 14, 2014, 05:13:23
Xanth I got one question for you if you got beat up really badly, and you were in the hospital under a lot of stress, and you were going to die, do you think you can use intent and consciousness to give you a decent death, much less peaceful death? That is what death is about many times. It's about a lot of stress and eventually it leads to breakdown and stress with breakdown can cause a LOT of suffering. Cellular stress when it's aging. So just because you don't see old people with wounds all over doesn't mean they aren't greatly suffering. Many of them don't even have the will or energy to do much of anything. We are talking whole mind and body stress many times when your on your death bed. So please just honestly answer that. Sorry I don't mean to put you on the spot. LOL
There are so many more factors than just the "state of your physical body".
To answer your question, YES, emphatically. In such a case, I'd be welcoming death with open arms in a very positive manner.
I'm sorry Plasma, but I simply do not see the world the same way you do anymore. I *CAN'T* see the world your way anymore, it's simply not possible for me.
The people you're talking about see the world your way... not mine. You are absolutely stuck on this "physical" concept of life. I have moved past it.
QuoteThere's just no guarantee.
I feel very strongly on this subject, so I'll weight in. You give yourself the guarantee. Mindstuff, intent, whatever a person labels that intangible goods, is all that matters. This isn't a statement from a perspective of youth or naivety, but a deeper understanding of what effects death as well as how one handles it, through
direct experience.
I do understand those fears you pose, as I have seen it in those around me. The advice you give is solid and helpful, especially for those who operate from a similar loci as yourself.
But, big but, I have experienced otherwise, so it's just not a concern for myself, and perhaps others here are speaking from their experience as well rather than from indirect knowledge, it's all valid, and non-conflicting from my perspective.
Death, and the experience of death can be as traumatic or peaceful as one wants, irregardless of external circumstances. Perhaps through your own experiences with imitation of the dying experience you will feel that inner strength and confidence as well.
well this has skewed off.
I've been thinking about this topic today.
Are people getting caught up in the difference between dying and death? It's not possible to guarantee that dying will be without pain or stress in varying degrees (god, sorry, talking about it so casually!) but I'm still not afraid of death itself, which is what the original poster was asking I think. My reason for not being afraid of dying is because I've been where the dead go and it was a revelation to me, so I have AP to thank for that. :-)
The thing that bothers me though is something that Plasma mentioned; what about if we get Alzheimers before we die? What happens then? Does our consciousness move out before we lose it completely? That's something I don't know and bothers me somewhat.
Quote from: Gummage on June 13, 2014, 16:53:43
I read it many places that you can in fact eliminate or reduce the fear of death if you are an astral projector.
Are there any experienced projectors that find this is true?
Yes, this is true.
Quote from: Gummage on June 13, 2014, 16:53:43
how has your outlook on death changed since you have been doing this?
It confirms that there is in fact no such thing as "death". The term "death" is nothing more than a concept, a perception. The transitional event itself, no matter how horrific or how peaceful it is perceived is nothing more than an experience. It is not a finality. You WILL be still alive after this transitional event commonly referred to as death.
Quote from: Gummage on June 13, 2014, 16:53:43
are you totally confident that death is just another type of OBE experience?
"Out of body" is yet another perception. There is no out of anything. It's really nothing more than a shift in consciousness, a shift in awareness. Once the physical interface known as the physical body our conscious awareness uses and has been attached to is no longer usable or viable, your reality has shifted and transformed, or transitioned to a reality that matches your beliefs and vibrational frequency.
Quote from: Maxie on June 14, 2014, 15:47:46
Are people getting caught up in the difference between dying and death? It's not possible to guarantee that dying will be without pain or stress in varying degrees (god, sorry, talking about it so casually!) but I'm still not afraid of death itself, which is what the original poster was asking I think. My reason for not being afraid of dying is because I've been where the dead go and it was a revelation to me, so I have AP to thank for that. :-)
Maxie, you hit the problem here right on the head. Plasma and Catmeow are talking about the process of dying. When I say "transition", I mean that once your consciousness has left this body/vessel for good, that the actual "transition" begins. It's a transition between this physical awareness and the next form/mode of our evolution.
I agree that the process of dying can be very nasty. I have seen it via diseases in people like MJ's Mother who had Lou Gehrig's Disease. I believe it was as painful for her mother as it was for the entire Family watching their Mother slowly decay, without being able to stop it.
In this practice many of take notes. No matter how bad our memory would get, we could always either look back at these notes ourselves or have someone near and dear to us read them to us.
William Buhlman and other famous authors of AP have planned their "Funeral arrangement" around their AP/NP beliefs. Where there's a will, there's always a way. I didn't mean that as a pun either.
I felt I would put this in as a Edit since it goes with my current post.
A friend of ours, who is Hmong, husband passed 2 weeks ago. MJ and I are just heading to the viewing now. That's common for Hmong, they wait a couple of weeks, sometimes a month after the deceased has passed before they do their Funerals. So, I wanted to read up on their Funeral Customs/Rituals and found that the entire Funeral preparedness is based on bringing and preparing the deceased for their next life, just like the Egyptians and many other cultures do.
http://www.funeralwise.com/customs/hmong/
I have no fear of my death but I do have several ways of dying that I hope aren't my fate. I do fear that others that I love will not be able to handle my death in the ways that I will be able to but that is beyond my control.
I've lost three people through suicide and they were all dear to me. I have also prevented the death of a total stranger who was hanging himself. I got to him in the last few seconds. The EMT's estimated that the guy had another ten seconds left before it would have been lights outs. His eyes were already bulging and the tiny blood caps in his eyes had already burst.
I was serving a six month sentence in a county jail. He waited until everyone else in the eight man pod had gone to sleep and then he slowly wrap his sheet around the railing of my top bunk and then slung over an eight foot shower wall that I was sleeping next two. I was asleep at the time but I heard what I thought was someone having a seizure on the shower floor. In a sleepy haze, I rolled over so that I could peer over the wall but it took a sec for me to realize what was happening. That was a very eerie yet gratifying experience. The bonus was that they commuted my sentece to time served in released me the next day, a month early for helping the gut. No, I'm not some hardened criminal. I was there standing up for my rights and now I'm glad that I was.
Looking at this from the physical side Xanth has wisdom in his words, being past the physical side.
Plasma has issues with the physical aspects and can't quite see whats really there yet (not that anyone knows everything). Some overcomplicating on the physical ruleset with some good points being made.
Many reports from experienced AP'rs all say one thing when communications with the deceased have transpired. The resounding message of 'the pain has gone and the peace of mind here is second to none' being common.
This shows that the mind itself is intact so dementia or similar eventually dissapears upon termination.
Any physical ailment is nonexistant so worrying about them is moot.
There is an adaption period where adjustments to the new environment must take place, this is inevitable for everyone. Those of us with plenty of experiences I'd guess are already past the physical issues. As already implied, the expectations are already present unlike someone with no experiences at all. The adjustments will be few by comparison for those NP experienced.
From the other side you may be intouch with your higher self more prominently. I have a different personality when NP, its far more powerful than the physical can ever be and it has fears nothing. There's seemingly no termination rules to adhere to in the NP. You can be put in your place if you push it though lol. The physical has too many termination rules. Its easy to die if care and attention are totally ignored.
Leading to termination the fear for families welfare is my only concern as it is for many others. Yeah the sadness too, I hate the occasions of feeling this from others when they are close by.
Death itself will bring a change, new horizons, a way to get back to those I've left behind over a half century ago. Also those who communicate from the formless environments, these entities (to label them) do not understand us and try to make sense of our physical environment. I'll post one of my recent communications sometime in a new topic.
Knowing this from many experiences is my reason in having no fear of termination. Im sort of looking forward to it.
Ive already been asked 3 times if I want to return. Thats a comforting thought too.
Fear of death isn't an option, it will remove the limits imposed upon me here and I'll get back to what I do best. The closest whilst physical is retrievals it seems.
Hopefully brought things back somewhere near on topic lol.
I do not have a fear of death. My concern is where do I go to when I have died. What place do I end up in. I am a good kind person and I try to do the right thing so I do not think I will end up in a bad place. That is not the reason why I try to be good person. No one really knows what happens. Good and bad people could go to the same place. I hope not. I do not want to be with evil people. I do not want to be wandering around aimlessly not knowing where to go.
I'm not scared of death myself. Sometimes I feel like things will be quieter, and less chaotic that way. The only fear I really have is how I die. The dying part, I'm okay with. How I die is what scares the living day lights out of me, lol. I just hope it's not painful. I hope it's not totally painless either, though. Death (at least of our physical bodies) is something that will inevitably happen to all of us. The best way to get rid of this fear is just to realize that all of our physical bodies eventually die because it's natural, and it's just something that we have to accept.
Quote from: AAAAAAAA on June 15, 2014, 00:00:19
I'm not scared of death myself. Sometimes I feel like things will be quieter, and less chaotic that way. The only fear I really have is how I die. The dying part, I'm okay with. How I die is what scares the living day lights out of me, lol. I just hope it's not painful. I hope it's not totally painless either, though. Death (at least of our physical bodies) is something that will inevitably happen to all of us. The best way to get rid of this fear is just to realize that all of our physical bodies eventually die because it's natural, and it's just something that we have to accept.
I accept this by realizing that "pain" is a purely temporary state. You can't stay in pain forever, eventually it either goes away or you leave this physical reality. Either way, it ends.
Gummage,
So, as you can see, you've read several individuals who have answered your question. You CAN lose all/most fear of death. :)
Sorry I have been meaning to reply, but I will tomorrow.
Quote from: Xanth on June 15, 2014, 00:06:37
Gummage,
So, as you can see, you've read several individuals who have answered your question. You CAN lose all/most fear of death. :)
Wait just a second there. This ain't over yet Xanth. I've been busy today. I don't think I can finish my reply today but definitely tomorrow. I just might finish tonight.
Peace.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on June 15, 2014, 06:11:55
Wait just a second there. This ain't over yet Xanth. I've been busy today. I don't think I can finish my reply today but definitely tomorrow. I just might finish tonight.
Peace.
Continue all you want. But the question seems answered. So I'm done for now. :-)
First off I've got more on my mind than what is here. But this is what I've got for now. This post will be directed first toward Szaxx since he seems to be able to answer my questions here more than others. And I trust his judgement. Here I will be directing my post toward the afterlife consequences of a life of disease and disorders at the end of life.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 14, 2014, 22:12:50
Looking at this from the physical side Xanth has wisdom in his words, being past the physical side.
Plasma has issues with the physical aspects and can't quite see whats really there yet (not that anyone knows everything). Some overcomplicating on the physical ruleset with some good points being made.
Many reports from experienced AP'rs all say one thing when communications with the deceased have transpired. The resounding message of 'the pain has gone and the peace of mind here is second to none' being common.
This shows that the mind itself is intact so dementia or similar eventually dissapears upon termination.
Any physical ailment is nonexistent so worrying about them is moot.
I strongly ask that whoever reads this keep an open unbiased mind since emotions are high when it comes to such a topic here at the pulse, such as thinking of loved ones, etc.
I have some big problems here.
1. The APers that communicated to the deceased loved one are very biased, and don't tell me they aren't since it's very very hard to not be, since you have strong emotional ties to this loved one and you want to hear an outcome that is positive about your loved one.
2. The above point would make sense too that since Bruce Moen has talked about how peoples earthly illnesses go with them into the afterlife. And if this is the case. Then why are you telling me something different? I know avid APers know who he is. He is a respected APer and author of multiple books.
3. And it would make much more sense too that Bruce Moen would have seen non-loved ones in the afterlife that carry their illnesses over into the astral, since it was not a relative and therefore he would have been much less biased over the outcome of what he saw and experienced with these people that had carried their illnesses into the afterlife.
4. There is no way to tell how many people didn't make it in good mental health in the astral with certainty, since those deceased loved ones could easily still be dealing with the mental stuff they were dealing with it on earth , the aging, the dying disorders and diseases must have some effect. Meaning the mental is what controls the deceased loved one. It's not like a body disorder. So they could have been somewhere else dealing with mental loops while someone thought that that decedent loved one was communicating to them in a coherent manner. We already covered the bias involved in such a thing. And nobody knows about those loved ones that never come through or the Mediums and astral projectors that thought they communicated with them.
5. We have all heard of people in the astral that go through the same mental stuff. Being stuck in mental loops. It is very very easy to see that these people were affected in the astral, with one mental disorder or more. The reason why, is that if someone dies when they are young and healthy they don't go through these types of mental loops from mental disorders and diseases. It's the elderly that end up in the BIGGEST mental loops of their lives while slowly degrading mentally for years. And the astral has many of these people from what I have read. It's starting to make sense now.
6. From a strictly spiritual standpoint, what is the point of watching our thoughts and being very careful all through life spiritually to not think negative things and things that don't make sense, and then at the end of life we risk a decent amount of our spiritual progress by being ravaged by some mental disorder. It makes no sense to me. This might work for those that eventually do reach a high state spiritually. But there are many people that never move past the mind.
7. Also I want to differentiate here, are all illnesses the same for the soul. Meaning IMO the least affected type of suffering for the soul would be pain. Especially of the body. Whereas those that are the most affected on a soul level IMO would be like phobias which are the most damaging to society. That along with schizophrenia, and PDSD. These give people feelings of self hatred, extreme paranoia of someone following them or someone out to get them. Now I would think that these feelings would be much worse than body disorders and pain. These mental feelings of the mind are especially prone to for the long term for the soul. The reason why is that unless we surpass mind in our spiritual growth at a deep level and deal with our shadow all these things could haunt us at the end when we're dying. And this should carry over into the afterlife since it's in the mind. I have heard by an advanced meditator that in the afterlife the body let's go of it's energies and karmas much faster but the mind is what holds on to it's energies beliefs and feelings much longer since than the body, since the mind has the tendency to trap feelings beliefs intents much more than the body is able to do. So this makes more sense logically too. That the mind can trap energies more than the body. I can try to find a source on that if you would like. So Szaxx given what I have shown here are you sure that there is absolutely no difference between someone that get a severe mental disorder, like the ones mentioned above, versus perhaps just a painful body disorder at the end of life?
8. Szaxx let me ask you, do you think that you can use intent and consciousness to give you a decent and peaceful death if you degrade mentally and physically for 5 to 10 years at the end of your life? And now I realize you are a very advanced astral projector and just because you may be able to do it. Which IDK that doesn't mean that newbie projectors can do the same.
Exploring More of the Afterlife, by Bruce Moen
http://youtu.be/3d5dtsLL4-w
Quote from: Szaxx on June 14, 2014, 22:12:50
There is an adaption period where adjustments to the new environment must take place, this is inevitable for everyone. Those of us with plenty of experiences I'd guess are already past the physical issues. As already implied, the expectations are already present unlike someone with no experiences at all. The adjustments will be few by comparison for those NP experienced.
From the other side you may be intouch with your higher self more prominently. I have a different personality when NP, its far more powerful than the physical can ever be and it has fears nothing. There's seemingly no termination rules to adhere to in the NP. You can be put in your place if you push it though lol. The physical has too many termination rules. Its easy to die if care and attention are totally ignored.
Leading to termination the fear for families welfare is my only concern as it is for many others. Yeah the sadness too, I hate the occasions of feeling this from others when they are close by.
Death itself will bring a change, new horizons, a way to get back to those I've left behind over a half century ago. Also those who communicate from the formless environments, these entities (to label them) do not understand us and try to make sense of our physical environment. I'll post one of my recent communications sometime in a new topic.
I mostly agree with you here.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 14, 2014, 22:12:50
Ive already been asked 3 times if I want to return. Thats a comforting thought too.
I would too under certain reservations about where who I will be born to. It would be unwise to not.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 14, 2014, 22:12:50
Hopefully brought things back somewhere near on topic lol.
Wait just a second, why not kill two birds with one stone while were at it, as you can't talk about fear of death without talking about fear of dying in the same breathe. Here I will do it in the two most meaningful paragraphs of your life I hope.
Note this is for everyone to read.Lastly even if most of you are right, and there is absolutely no effects on the soul after death from the most horrific diseases and disorders known to man while on earth and the lowest soul spiritually. Why the heck would you want to needless lay in bed while others feed you, bathe you, brush your teeth, force-feed you, do costly ineffective surgeries at the end of life just in order to keep you a vegetable semi social, and somewhat functioning; all while your family members won't be there or will be and to see it all? This is the only time in history where people are being kept alive on a mass scale with medical technology with often no meaningful reason at the end to keep people barely alive. All while not being able to have any meaningful conversation much less life with family and friends many times. And if not for that, why would anyone want to just waste away here at the end, with no meaning, or dignitied way to live life while your brain and body are being ravaged by disease, aging, and disorders, all while the system takes care of you routinely takes care of you. You may ask why are people doing this then? I've already pointed out that it's because they think God is suppose to take your life alone. I assure you there is no reasonable logic in wanting such a thing most of the time. Like I already pointed out this logic of keeping people alive like this mostly comes from the Abrahamic religions first and foremost, and our illusion that we get when young vibrant and healthy that it's normal and good to want to live as long as possible while here on earth. Having been attached to the world and the things in it. Having never seriously dealt with a serious mental disorder themselves.
Things are changing throughout the world. People are waking up to the truth now. Many countries are evolving on this right now. There are countries where you can exit with a doctors help and prescription if you have depression. Now I don't think I always agree with such cases. but certainly depression can be disabling. Anyway do you want to lay in bed for years while people do everything for you at the end of life with no one to have a meaningful conversation with loved ones? It's just mind boggling how out of touch we are with reality for this topic here on earth. I am not even proposing that you take drugs and quickly end your life, which is certainly possible. I am suggesting that you can do it the most natural way (whatever that means. LOL) by Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking, the VSED option. It can take 2 to 3 weeks of doing this and you can exit life in much more peaceful and dignified way with with a higher likelihood that family will be there since there is a short time span here. You can do it at home with palliative sedation. If you don't do it, you risk having your family have to watch you go through all this. It's not right on any level IMO. I assure you that most of reasons you guys believe and many others believe this stuff is largely because of the Abrahamic religions effect throughout the world. Do your research people are starting to wake up. But it's hard to convince people that haven't seen death up close, or even just in good or even functioning shape. Please all of you reconsider your stance on this.
You can select your state for an advanced directive right here to prevent it. They are a nonprofit organization and have victories here in the US in their outreach.
Advance Directive Get the Care You Want – No More, No Less.
https://www.compassionandchoices.org/what-we-do/advance-directive/
Thank you for reading my long rant. LOL
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on June 14, 2014, 05:13:23
God, thank you so much catmeow, I finally feel vindicated by someone here that seems to have some real experience with the spiritual and death.
You're welcome!
Quote from: Maxie on June 14, 2014, 15:47:46
Are people getting caught up in the difference between dying and death? It's not possible to guarantee that dying will be without pain or stress in varying degrees (god, sorry, talking about it so casually!) but I'm still not afraid of death itself, which is what the original poster was asking I think.
Yes well said, I think there are two issues here and some people are not realising that.
Quote from: Lionheart on June 14, 2014, 19:49:44
Maxie, you hit the problem here right on the head. Plasma and Catmeow are talking about the process of dying. When I say "transition", I mean that once your consciousness has left this body/vessel for good, that the actual "transition" begins. It's a transition between this physical awareness and the next form/mode of our evolution.
Yup I am talking about
dying, the physical process by which your body shuts down and eventually dies. This can happen quickly, if you are lucky, or it can be a dreadfull, cruel, unbearable long, drawn-out process, for both the person dying and also their family. I watched my mother die slowly from cancer. Worse still, I am now watching my father die of alzheimers. It's been 3 years so far, and it is beyond description.
I have zero fear of death, I embrace it and look forward to it, but I'm pretty scared of dying.
Plasma (I hope you don't mind me shortening your name?), you raise some interesting points about mental health after transitioning. In terms of physical ailments, these obviously are not carried across, but people become so accustomed to their physical issues that they may well continue to unwittingly manifest them. However, the evidence from NDE studies is that this is a temporary condition, until an individual adjusts, and ends up looking and feeling "in their prime". They may need a lot of help with this. Similarly, many mental issues originate in the brain, so once again, these issues disappear after death. But as you say there may still be other issues with an individual's state of mind, which can only be magnified by the fluid nature of the NP. I have wondered about it myself.
1+2, At the point of termination you may well carry the physical disabilities with you. Any sufferer of long term ailments including myself take the precautionary measures with them into the NP.
It takes time to adjust even in a projection and I made this point above.
Loved ones have also reappeared in the physical after death. This has been known over a century ago. I understand the bias comment but anyone unsuspecting could create a thoughtform and not see the truth until later.
The fluidity of the NP will allow this. Eventually a realisation will come to straighten things out.
Its generally accepted upon termination that you'll meet departed loved ones. This itself will impact on your mind, if true, this will put you in a 'cared for' position allowing your concious self to then adjust. Various books give around 25 or so days after death where loved ones return as an apparition to the physical.
It does take 21 days for the subconcious to program in a new environment so this seems to put the possibility in perspective.
3+4, In retrievals this ailment carry on is prominent. Its also in the book, the projection of the astral body from nearly a century ago. Bruce is correct in what you read as I too have experienced this with completely random people. Lets not forget the help on the other side, if I can imprint loads ofinfo into an entity I'm sure that its pathetic compared to a guides capabilities with the mind manipulation measures.
More later
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
Yes well said, I think there are two issues here and some people are not realising that.
No I understand the difference. I was using hyperbole when saying "as you can't talk about fear of death without talking about fear of dying in the same breathe." Sorry I realize now I shouldn't have done it as we are talking pretty technically right now.
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
Yup I am talking about dying, the physical process by which your body shuts down and eventually dies. This can happen quickly, if you are lucky, or it can be a dreadfull, cruel, unbearable long, drawn-out process, for both the person dying and also their family. I watched my mother die slowly from cancer. Worse still, I am now watching my father die of alzheimers. It's been 3 years so far, and it is beyond description.
Wow sorry to hear that. I have never seen a family member dying slowly, but I have been close to death, and damn it, I an't going down like that. I was totally ignorant of it before. Everything changed after that. All we can really do is spread the word an, educate, and prevent ourselves from dealing with it.
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
I have zero fear of death, I embrace it and look forward to it, but I'm pretty scared of dying.
Good way to put it. I suppose if your an advanced astral projector you may negate many of the effects of in the afterlife. I don't know how advanced you are, but I don't think ALL of the effects could be negated in a long drawn out dying process with some really ravaging mental stuff going on.
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
Plasma (I hope you don't mind me shortening your name?),
No that's fine, people abbreviate names all the time.
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
you raise some interesting points about mental health after transitioning. In terms of physical ailments, these obviously are not carried across, but people become so accustomed to their physical issues that they may well continue to unwittingly manifest them. However, the evidence from NDE studies is that this is a temporary condition, until an individual adjusts, and ends up looking and feeling "in their prime". They may need a lot of help with this.
Right I think we can start by not letting peoples mental state degrade at the end of life, only to end up having to help them "a lot" on the other side with this condition that carried over. And being able to determine the long term, lingering, sub-level, unnoticed effects of such a traumatic dying process would be hard to document I think. Since there are no controls. You guys may be right that all these mental and physical conditions can be shaken off, but I do still worry about the long term, lingering, sub-level, unnoticed effects from such a traumatic death. And certainly having to waste time helping such people isn't necessary.
Quote from: catmeow on June 16, 2014, 01:21:32
Similarly, many mental issues originate in the brain, so once again, these issues disappear after death. But as you say there may still be other issues with an individual's state of mind, which can only be magnified by the fluid nature of the NP. I have wondered about it myself.
Thanks not bad for someone like myself that has little experience in the astral.
So everyone else what are your thoughts. People have been silent. No wait, their all typing out replies. LOL I hope I proposed some points that Xanth didn't really notice before. So all your avid APers what is your thought?
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on June 16, 2014, 07:10:53
So everyone else what are your thoughts. People have been silent. No wait, their all typing out replies. LOL I hope I proposed some points that Xanth didn't really notice before. So all your avid APers what is your thought?
Once again Plasma you picked and chose the words you wished to hear and "omitted' the rest.
If you listen to William Buhlman's videos he will tell you flat out that he has planned for his death/transition far in advance. He has given strict instructions to those near and dear to him on how it is to be undertaken . Other authors of AP have also planned their transitions too.
You ask for thoughts. Well there is 3 pages of thoughts on this subject here for you to read.
I know I'm not a Moderator here anymore, but something needed to be said. I am sorry if this offended you.
I believe there is a period of "deprogramming" needed after the transition. So, yes you would still be physical body focused or oriented. At least the majority of the populace would. But only until you have "processed" or been processed to what has or is actually occurring. Those that don't and remain "stuck" are the ones that, as Szaxx says get "special help" to. This is why "Retrievals" are necessary.
This video/interview of his explains it more. He was even in a movie named "the Path" talking about this very subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apw2WpuW60o
I actually posted my last reply after Szaxx rely unknowingly. I will just say that you haven't offended me. I've been dealing with a lot lately, and haven't had time to reply to your post. I do have some questions for you then. But unfortunately I don't have the time tonight, so I will do it tomorrow.
Thanks everyone.
5, Some of these people stuck in a loop are not old at all. A group on the run during the second world war keep being gunned down in their collective repeating loop. I was sent to stop this. It isn't anything you say that helps them. Imprints don't work either, they are too closed in fear and resolution was made by joining in with their predicament at the risk of being machine gunned down again. I cheated a little and because I joined their plight my actions were felt by them emotionally. They followed me and escaped their dilemma.
Another was children stuck in a loop of hiding from anyone. These I had no idea of until I went into a dark and dangerous looking location. Imprints worked here as my time was running short. I solved their dilemma by teaching trust can be earned and respect will follow. This broke their loop.
I also communicate to those who have no form. Its a mental battle of wits and they usually comply with a new suggestion to open to the greater thought patterns of others present. I dont know if these are or ever have been human.
Theres far more that the eye cant see, now you understand the meaning of my signature lol.
More later.
Catmeow said:
QuoteIn terms of physical ailments, these obviously are not carried across, but people become so accustomed to their physical issues that they may well continue to unwittingly manifest them. However, the evidence from NDE studies is that this is a temporary condition, until an individual adjusts, and ends up looking and feeling "in their prime".
...and Lionheart said:
QuoteI believe there is a period of "deprogramming" needed after the transition. So, yes you would still be physical body focused or oriented. At least the majority of the populace would. But only until you have "processed" or been processed to what has or is actually occurring. Those that don't and remain "stuck" are the ones that, as Szaxx says get "special help" to.
I agree with all that. I haven't read the books, but from what I've seen, that's right. I've seen deceased people that 'think' they're living their lives out normally, but in fact they're in a kind of umm...holding pen until they sort themselves out/realise what's happened to them.
Plasma said:
Quote2. The above point would make sense too that since Bruce Moen has talked about how peoples earthly illnesses go with them into the afterlife. And if this is the case. Then why are you telling me something different? I know avid APers know who he is. He is a respected APer and author of multiple books.
Wellllll...look, I don't know much about books or authors (ok, I did read a Robert Bruce book Mastering Astral Thingy in 90 Days once, to be fair) but when I was in the dead folk area, where you can go on through a kind of gateway into the 'next bit', where there was no return for APers (well, I felt there'd be no return for me certainly!)...and in that area I didn't
have a body, Earthly or otherwise. I was like a suspended thought, so I can't see that Earthly physical problems would follow you at that point.
With mental illness, I would imagine that newly deceased folk would be held in the 'holding pen' or maybe that's the 'loop' that Lionheart has mentioned until they recovered themselves - or were retrieved (never heard of that before...interesting!) xx
Edit: And this thread is being useful to me in sorting my head out a bit. Cheers original poster! x
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 12:00:44
I cheated a little and because I joined their plight my actions were felt by them emotionally.
I see this as being true as well. I once had to be a Sgt./commanding officer to a wounded soldier to get his attention.
We have to meld into the scenery, per say. We have to be thinking consciously on our feet as well. To stand out amongst the others would create an unintended scene. But we know full well what our intent is once there. We just need to figure out how we are going to go about doing it. They are the ones that have to make a decision to leave, to break the loop. But we do have quite a bit of help in aiding them in choosing a different path. That is, if we need it.
This can either done by one on one encounters or the ones I have been doing for a couple of years now, which are the group/community Retrievals. I know Szaxx does these often as well.
It's easy to see that the common denominator is the belief system of the person who has died. This is why I think atheists seem to have some of the more depressing NDE's. They pass expecting nothing and when they realize that their physical body wasn't the end of existence, they tend to panic and this can bring about all sorts of crazy and scary stuff.
Naturally, some relish the new experience and don't report the hellish type scenarios.
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It's easy to see that the common denominator is the belief system of the person who has died. This is why I think atheists seem to have some of the more depressing NDE's. They pass expecting nothing and when they realize that their physical body wasn't the end of existence, they tend to panic and this can bring about all sorts of crazy and scary stuff.
Naturally, some relish the new experience and don't report the hellish type scenarios.
:cry: I worry about my son, who is
so amazingly able in slipping out of his body. At first he was excited about it and we used to chat, but then his brainiac physics background prevailed and Richard Dawkins too. Now he believes in nothing after death and finds the whole subject hard to talk about as he's actually frightened about dying now.
Quote from: Maxie on June 16, 2014, 18:30:33
:cry: I worry about my son, who is so amazingly able in slipping out of his body. At first he was excited about it and we used to chat, but then his brainiac physics background prevailed and Richard Dawkins too. Now he believes in nothing after death and finds the whole subject hard to talk about as he's actually frightened about dying now.
Richard Dawkins and his brainiac background can't outdo actual proof that comes from experiencing it for yourself.
Lately we have been hearing from more and more Neuro Surgeons/Scientists that are having their own "awakenings". They are learning that what they have been teaching themselves for years isn't actually the way it "is".
Like this one for instance: http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_s_powerful_stroke_of_insight
...and everyone knows the story of Dr. Eben Alexander: http://www.hpe.com/life/x1626689805/Neurosurgeons-near-death-experience-changes-his-opinion
When your son is ready to hear the truth, he will. It comes from within. :-)
The info is out there. You just have to have the urge or should I say "want" to look for it.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 06:50:57
1+2, At the point of termination you may well carry the physical disabilities with you. Any sufferer of long term ailments including myself take the precautionary measures with them into the NP.
What precautionary measures are you talking about?
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 06:50:57
It takes time to adjust even in a projection and I made this point above.
Yeah I think you mentioned that.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 06:50:57
Loved ones have also reappeared in the physical after death. This has been known over a century ago. I understand the bias comment but anyone unsuspecting could create a thoughtform and not see the truth until later.
The fluidity of the NP will allow this. Eventually a realisation will come to straighten things out.
Do you mean that if someone creates an experience with their own mind believing that they are communicating with someone in the physical or even meeting up with the deceased loved in the astral, but that they would eventually come to that realization that it was them that created it and not an objective experience?
I do remember Xanth saying there is no way to really tell who is objective and a self created entity in the astral sometimes.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 06:50:57
Its generally accepted upon termination that you'll meet departed loved ones. This itself will impact on your mind, if true, this will put you in a 'cared for' position allowing your concious self to then adjust. Various books give around 25 or so days after death where loved ones return as an apparition to the physical.
It does take 21 days for the subconcious to program in a new environment so this seems to put the possibility in perspective.
Can you name a source or two for those figures. Even if these numbers are accurate there are no controls so we don't know about those that never do end up communicating with family. They might end up in very long mental belief loops. I came in just after my dad died of a heart attack and did CPR on him I never noticed anything from him as far as him communicating with me or family except perhaps in a dream or two but that was iffy. It wasn't like he was saying high and having a conversation. LOL That experience may be belief based. But I would think if he could've talked to us he would have. [Edit: The next sentence was modified a bit to be more accurate.] All I am trying to point out is that you are only pointing out how many days after death does it take for a certain group of deceased disincarnated people to be able to shake off enough enough of their mental loops to be able to talk to loved ones. Without saying how many people died and never communicated with family. In other words who knows what all those people are doing and up do that didn't talk to family members. They may be going in mental loops for all we know. Unable to grasp this new reality for perhaps much longer than the numbers you gave above.
This just raises more questions than answers. This we can say though, for those deceased loved ones that do make it out of their mental loops and can communicate with family that it takes perhaps around 25 days for that deceased loved one to be able to communicate with family.
Quote from: Szaxx on June 16, 2014, 06:50:57
Lets not forget the help on the other side, if I can imprint loads ofinfo into an entity I'm sure that its pathetic compared to a guides capabilities with the mind manipulation measures.
Whatever helps without making things worse. Though there may be some grey areas here IDK.
Thanks for your time Szaxx.
6+7, The point of spiritual advancement is to train yourself to become a better person and influence those around you too. This will effect a higher natural state of mind and lead you towards the pure unconditional love thats in the highest concious state when you are non physical experiencing the 'light realms' to label them.
For those who never made the grade they will already have a natural 'frequency', this will be a reflection of their psyche. In many travels from the nice places to the hells, all the inhabitants are alike in their mindset.
Look at the physical world, filthy back alleys in a city are more likely to possess mr nasty with his henchmen rather than a beautiful lake with swans swimming to the sound of a pretty young lady playing a harp.
The mind IS far stronger in holding on to beliefs. Thats the reason why retrievers are required to break these debilitating mindtraps. Other help is available thats outside the physical worlds knowing. You've already commented on our ability to keep the body alive with life support machines. The same idea must be there too in some manner.
Phobias illnesses ect.
The numerous retrievals on helping others to escape the mob chasing them is excessive. These fall into schitzo category quite well. You cant make them see sense and have to create an environment to control their movements. I have a big house already made where I work out the best solution for them. Similar to the loop experiences, these require a change that they can SEE for themselves. Once done they translocate into a higher place with full lucidity and are immediately cared for.
On a few occasions I have captured their mind and in that few seconds moved them to a higher frequency enviromnent, some visited places are quite unpleasant and help is almost out of reach. This works well as the years of screaming inside themselves ends instantly in these higher places. The ambience itself heals the soul here.
I cant recall any retrievals where the body was suffering from a physical ailment. Ive obviously seen arms ripped off ect including my own, these normally self generate quite naturally.
Interesting thought.
After the initial adapting/caring period there will be no difference in the personalities between a sufferer requiring retrieving and the average guy with no previous mentunal issues.
This is the sole reason for retrievals.
8, Hey an on the spot question.
Interesting too.
Ive been in close encounters before. In the second one the pain was intense. This dissapeared when everything went black. I was on my own conciously aware of everything mentally but nothing of the physical body existed. I thought it was time up which wasn't what I wanted. No tunnel, no meeting family or the light. Just me and my INTENT on returning. This happened after a few mins and the pain returned followed by my sight.
This was my second calling with death. Yep intent and desire can move mountains.
I do think if anyone can stay calm and try to understand whats around them as they pass, the experience can be easier. Theres an uncanny peace that defies logic too.
This appears when the pain stops, you've opened up some memories here.
I know intent can give you your life back. It may help in the end too. I dont know what to say on mental deterioration, I have nothing in experiences to relate to. Hopefully I wont know the effects of it.
Its like your first rollercoaster ride. Scared, scared, ride, that was easy.lol.
Quote from: Lionheart on June 16, 2014, 07:27:11If you listen to William Buhlman's videos he will tell you flat out that he has planned for his death/transition far in advance. He has given strict instructions to those near and dear to him on how it is to be undertaken . Other authors of AP have also planned their transitions too.
This video/interview of his explains it more. He was even in a movie named "the Path" talking about this very subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apw2WpuW60o
I am very sorry Lionheart, and I hate to say this, but I have severe tinnitus to the point I don't even like listening to any excess noise, including from videos on the internet now, it's terrible I know. So unfortunately I don't really want to watch the whole video only to find one part. I have heard of William talk this in the past I think. But I don't remember what his instructions where. I did a few google searches right now to see if I could find them but not yet, if they are out there. Now I don't know what his exact instructions are but I would really like to know.
I guess what I want to say from here then is that unless those instructions at least include the VSED Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking at the end of his life it's really a lottery IMO how effective instructions are for family member reciting his astral projection experiences to him at the end. Which I am sure that is one of them. Because any of those instructions for reciting his astral projection experiences may in the end be almost totally nullified by a complete lack of coherent reality. While he degrades for years on on end by any of the most ravaging diseases and disorders of aging. I would imagine that such a situation would be very heard on family to go through too.
I really hate to be so blunt but this is the reality of it. We will all have to face death in a very blunt way.
I think it would be very valuable for avid astral projectors famous and small to report or have family report how their dying process is going for the greater good of understanding the effects of the dying process in those that are advanced in astral projection. For some reason I don't think being advanced in astral projection gives you some great huge advantage over everyone else unless you do the VSED option. I just see no way around it. I am trying to give you people end of life dignity, since many are sleep on this topic, and only now are people starting to wake up to it in the world.
I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me if they remember what the video Lionheart posted to tell us all what William Buhlman astral projection recommends for his dying process and death. [Edit never mind I think I found something that I may or may not be able to post here about what he says in text.]
Peace.
Quote from: Maxie on June 16, 2014, 18:30:33
:cry: I worry about my son, who is so amazingly able in slipping out of his body. At first he was excited about it and we used to chat, but then his brainiac physics background prevailed and Richard Dawkins too. Now he believes in nothing after death and finds the whole subject hard to talk about as he's actually frightened about dying now.
Even Richard Dawkins admitted that there could be a highly advanced being out there. And if you saw it you would/probably fall down and worship it. But this being would not be able to create life (like a creator) and break the laws of physics. That was paraphrased.
Show him this. He will likely be surprised Dawkins would say that.
Something From Nothing a conversation w Richard Dawkins & Lawrence Krauss ASU Feb 4, 2012
http://youtu.be/u4DjDVbAJWg
Listen in at about 1:01:00 To maybe 1:03:30 or so. Interesting that even Dawkins admits this.
Dawkins also warned James Randi the famous guy that is offering the 1 million dollar prize to the first person to prove the existence of something paranormal. So Dawkins warned him saying something like "If I were you I would worry their might be some kind of perinormal ability yet to be discovered." If you want a source for that I can find it.
I think loss of fear of death is one of the greatest practical uses of phasing.
I think it is worth mentioning that the resolute acceptance of death (The way of the hidden leaves) was a prerequisite for an individual to truly consider themselves a samurai. Miyamoto Musashi called this the Way of the Warrior. I think this applies even to this day. Just the amount of information overload makes it more difficult for society to respect the sacrifice it takes to cultivate this mentality.
Most people form NDEs return with a different persepctive, and ability to live MORE in the moment. The ability to relish. :wink:
I think that this is another side affect of phasing that comes alongside the loss of fear of death.
Best to all in their endeavors.
Cheers,
Contenteo
People do not continue, except if you have a)An anchor - any close/known being, who would-could help you b)developed Astral body with sufficient amount of energy. Nde has nothing to do with real-conscious AP, why do you think you are conscious during NDE? Aha ;) :evil: