Is it as easy as they say?

[Nay]

Yes, Phong great comments.[]  

I'll admit some of it went whooooooosh..right over my head, but I got the jest of it..[]

quote:You are a bold and fantastic hybrid of chaos and machine, unified together as a playful and creative god. You do not snap your fingers to complete a task, you entertain your way through it. It's a challenge which invigorates you. Learning the moves to complete it is like learning a dance. An astral realm is an undiscovered country. Widen your scope, abandon your narrowness, and explore.

This I understood completely and commend you for it! []

That is my problem of course not yours..I'm not very articulate when it comes to these things..  School I'm afraid was not one of my finer points in life..I was too busy trying to survive.

I call it having street smarts and NO book smarts..LOL

Nay []

[Phong]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

22:33:55 is your post time Phong.

For master-number junkies like myself, I have a question: "Are you jesus?"

j/k

That's really funny, considering that was the post when I said, "I know what I'm talking about, really. I just don't know how to talk about it." I could imagine Jesus kind of shrugging his shoulders after the ascension thinking "well, I tried."

I've been trying to think of "methods" to offer, like you asked, something that will work for others, but the more particular the method the less it will work. Experience is subjective and personal. My father is a flight instructor. He says teachers don't really teach, they're really there to help you teach yourself. I tend to agree. But the first post of this thread (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12471) is good.

Edit: Thanks Nay. Good post thelou. Cube, I actually am trying to find objective experience, to destroy the illusion that surrounds others. I wish I could just drop a bomb on it. But I haven't found how to yet.

[Nay]

quote:Edit: Thanks Nay. Cube, I actually am trying to find objective experience, to destroy the illusion that surrounds others. I wish I could just drop a bomb on it. But I haven't found how to yet.

You're welcome...but I'm lost (no big surprise there..[^]) as to what you meant when you say, I'm trying to find objective experience, to destroy the illusion that surrounds others.  Can you please explain for me?..[:I]

Thanks.

Nay

[cube]

It will be interesting to see what your bomb turns out to be when you find it!

[Phong]

I mean an experience that is the same for everyone, such that it can be communicated directly to everyone and help all humanity out of the suffering of limited existence, etc. To expose that grand connection between dreams and reality for others, so that people can realize their dreams.

[Nay]

Can't believe I'm going to say this...well ok, yes I do..but WHAT?

Can you please put it in layman terms for me?..[:I]

Nay..

Edit: I feel like I need to say something like, the aura of the universe is soooo awesomly large that you cannot comprehend the intensity of it..LOL..and that is freaky coming out of MY mouth..lol..[]

[Phong]

To help make everyone happy. [|)]

[Nay]

That's it...for real?  "to help make everyone happy"

That is your explanation? I'm sooooooo in trouble for not getting it..[] You have got to be a Libra, for trying to balance the two..[^]

*runs back to playstation2*

Nay

[des Jardins]

I think "commitment" is the keyword. And, of course, APing is like a dance. We must to learn to APing step by step. We cannot burn stages.
Natalia

[thelou]

Sorry for my mistake Nay, I must have been in a parallel universe that day.[][]

quote:Well, that's silly. I had experienced natural projections before, and wouldn't accept the possibility of such a self-defeating caged existence.

Bravo Phong I like the good insight you have here, as well as your other posts.[^]  When you come up with your dream realization bomb, let us all know.  Would like to see the reaction of the human race when word gets out that someone invented a bomb that helps, instead of killing.[B)]

Thelou

[Manix]

I attempted some energy work last night and had some progress! I was able to be aware of falling asleep for a longer period of time than normal.

Of course this may have been due to the fact I was up two extra hours trying to set up a last minute system for recording dreams. Those who have read my previous posts know I'm adamant about recall and want to remember as much as possible. SO! After scribbling incoherent notes in the night and then trying to get on the pc every morning to record them, failed me. I stumbled upon a brilliant box of light bulbs! Discovering which bulb goes to which fixture, is the Key.

I have a Logitech cordless keyboard and mouse for which I've discovered no use. I also have a 3 yr old laptop which is getting outdated more with every month. My brainstorm; set up the laptop with the bare minimum required to use it as a dream journal in order to maximize speed. Set the LT up beside the bed at an angle and level I can see and reach easily by simply rolling over in bed. Next, program the computer to save on battery power and to hibernate at the touch of a key. Then program the keyboard with this same key.

If this were to work, all I have to do is roll over in bed, grab the keyboard, press the key to get the LT to "wake up" and then type in as much as I'm consciously able to using the keyboard. Hit the hibernate key, and roll back over in bed. No more backward chicken scratch.
Great huh? To bad I have to hit the hibernate key on the LT to wake it up because the keyboard connection is lost once it goes into hibernation. That in turn leads to fumbling for connection buttons to re-establish a link between the LT and Keyboard. If I ever figure that out, I'm set.

How does this tie in to this thread? Maybe, at long last I can stop messing with technical details and get down to business. What's the point of having an OBE and remembering it even, if your too sleepy to write it all down? My lazy solution, almost solve. Now if only I could keep that keyboard connection active...

And to get back on to the issue at hand, my own state of mind last night was that the OBE wasn't actully as easy as I would think it should be. That, in fact, it would possibly be the most terrible thing I've ever experienced instead of this dillusion I've set up in my mind that I'm gonna love it. And wouldn't you know, I actually saw a millimeter of progress. What do you think? Do I have a little reversed psychology at work here? Whatever the reason, I'll work with it some more and see what happens. Thanks for all the great advise. Good to know I'm not stumbling around in the dark alone I'll try not to step on anyones toes lol!

EDIT:
DATE: 06/06/04
UPDATE on project: "Dream Machine"
I gave the set up it's first test run last night. I've discovered if I'm awake enough to scribble a note, I'm awake enough to hit three buttons in sequence easily becuase the locations are easy to find.
While the other problems are now eliminated I have encountered a new problem. My typing is several times worse at 1:00AM. This is worsened by the fact I cannot see the cordless keyboard in the dark and can't even glimpse the keys after looking at a fully lit up LT screen (dialing down brightness not and option on LT model). Solution, locate light colored blacklight sensative ink or paint to coat the tops of the keys with (Neon highlighters perhaps?). The black lettering will show easily with the aid of the blacklight already in place.

Over all opinion thus far: Not bad, fix the key problem and I'm ready to go. Best idea I've had so far, and journaling may continue as usual. YAY!

[Phong]

I suppose I can clarify on why I referred to that articles thread. T.L. just seemed to have a very natural experience of navigating the continuum on consciousness, closest to the learning process I felt, so that's why I noted it.

Chopra believes coincidences emerge from the nonlocal self. Since dreaming, obe, etc are closer to nonlocal awareness, I pay attention to coincidences during the night. To nurture this I keep a record of coincidences that happen during the day. Many of them don't mean anything on their own and can seem quite trivial, but they build an experience of the soul.

So I should've mentioned that I used to keep a dream journal quite vigilantly, but now instead keep a daily coincidence journal - it's easier to write, as dream experiences can be increasingly difficult to put into words and become quite long. It's enough that I can just write them on notecard sized text documents at the end of the day. Eventually, you notice all sorts of connections through the continuum of consciousness, such that you can navigate it more and more naturally.

(Manix, I know how hard it is to think of easier ways to record dreams during the night. The more successful you are at remembering things, the more of a pain in the butt it can be. I hope this helped.)

[Kodemaster]

It took me over a year to have a full-blown projection. One guy on here was 50-some-odd years old and had been trying all his life and still hadn't made it out...I think he gave up and left this board...

[Manix]

Note to self: Highlighter ink, while very effective under a blacklight, does not dry on keyboard keys...
I've found it's easier to simply pick the laptop up and plop it on my lap during the night. The laptop weighs very little and that action takes no more work than hunting for the kepyboard and verifying a connection. With the strong light from the screen I can see the Keys as well. This can work as long as I remember where the table is for the LT. I think I would notice if I dropped it three foot...

Phong, I like the idea of a coincidence journal. Is there anything more you can tell me about it? I rarely notice coincidences so maybe I could think of a varient for something I do notice that's out of the ordinary.

[Phong]

Journaling in general, no matter what it is you're journaling, helps to build a larger picture of events, revealing connections, wholeness etc. Certain things happen that seem unrelated but through the process of journaling you notice how they may be only 2 or 3 times removed. It's really like a detective story.

Don't stop journaling dreams, Manix, if they still feel mysterious. I don't know what else to tell you except to keep your attention on the mystery, what deeply intrigues you, and what you notice will orchestrate around it.

[Nay]

Buy a little hand held recorder, I have been recording my dreams like this for well over a year!  You don't even have to open you eyes, just click record and talk away.  Then transcribe them later. [^]

Nay

[Manix]

I tried the recorder awhile back, then listened to it the next morning after trying it. That was the most hilarious thing I have ever listened to in my life! I hate the sound of my voice on recordings in general but listening to myself murmer and mumble and the occasssional snort was just too much! <giggles> I never did discover what it was I had said! At least I can read the badly spelled typed notes..

[Nay]

ROTLMAO!!!!!

Yeah, you just have to get past that part of hearing yourself and speak at least a little clearer.  I will admit there were a few times when I was like.."what in the heck did I just say?"

Too funny, the occasional snort.[]  

Smiles~ Nay

[BlackBox]

I'm not sure if I hear the same ringing as the rest of you. All I can hear, when I get into my relaxed state is what can only be described as an extremely low frequency/pulse. It could be described as a ringing in the ears after a rock-concert (except not as extreme).

I dont think that is what you guys/gals are describing though. Last night I got into a very deep trance. My vibrations start from questionable roots...like if I have a particular thought that interests me, I suddenly start to vibrate. I think the more I think about it, the more unsure I become that I'm doing any of this correct. heh

[Nay]

Don't feel that way BB..can I call you BB?

Like I say, there is no one right way, you must find what works for you!  And symptoms also vary from person to person, a lower/higher tone or stronger/weaker vibrations...  

Find your technique and run with it! Oh, and keep a positive outlook, believing you're not doing it right, will only cause you to block having more experiences.

Smiles~ Nay

[BlackBox]

Thanks Nay.

You're right about magnetizing exactly what you expect/anticipate.

I'm sure OBE's will become more frequent and easier with Venus' entrance.

The best I can do right now is continue to read everyones posts and 'click in' when it's my time. [8D]

[Kodemaster]

BlackBox,

Are you fan of the band by the same name, perchance?

(The dance music group from the early 90's with songs like "Everybody, Everybody" and "Ride on Time")

I was a huge fan back in the day

[oddjob1531]

i was wondering if Aping is really as easy as some people say. one person said making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is harder then APing. I have been trying to AP for about 2 months, and have read Astral Dynamics. i dont think im doing anything wrong but have never had a successful OBE that i am aware for. any direction or help would be great. i am very commited to AP, and really want to be a successful APer.