Cold and Impersonal Angels?

[Huwie]

I think Robert Monroe reported the same thing about certain entites - if memory serves, the angel-type beings that he saw at the 'reception centre' area.

However, it was also revealed to Monroe that love is indeed essential, and that there is in fact a type of 'superlove' that exists in the astral planes and is even tangible.  According to him, it is extremely important.

So don't lose heart just on account of a couple of entities you have met. []

[kiauma]

This happened to me too, in the one time I was visited by an 'Angel'.

All I can say is his detached manner was essential to his message, which I found very important.  I really can't go in to much detail of just what his message was, it is too personal.

I had never expected to see an angel though, so I guess I was less disillusioned.

[Huwie]

Have you considered the possibility that maybe you aren't sufficently clairvoyant enough to 'pick up' on emotions/feelings/whatever from very high astral entities?

[Leyla]

I think the fact that I AP should say enough in iteslf. However, since you ask, I do astrology and tarot and am very accurate (so I am told.) After I began OBEs this ability has increased to the point that I have stopped people in public places to give them messages. Although a few have been frightened, all of them said I was accurate. (of couse I don't dare approach a stranger unless I know for a fact the message is clear.)

Nope, they were just very formal and detatched. It was all business. Sorry if that upsets you but there is no mistake.

I think maybe that's just how they are. I have to throw the pre-conceived notions my parents taught me out the window.

[Leyla]

Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong.

I mean, if you're up there, in charge of peoples lives you have to be serious about it, right? You can't go about it all casual with a "let the chips fall where they may" attitude.

And lets face it, it's got to be a high pressure position. Like being a doctor or something.

Would I place less confidence in them if they weren't formal? That's something to think about.

And less face it, I'm in a subordinate position. Maybe there's a rule against getting too close with people you have charge of. Like Teacher/Student Boss/Employee relations.

Do you think after work they go kick back, all casual, wearing jeans and a T-shirt, knocking back drinks with their angel buddies?

I bet they'd never dare let us see them like that.

You expect a certain degree of professionalism out of a guardian  angel.

[need]

Leyla , are you saying you met your guardian angel.

Is it possible to see guardian angels in real life

[Huwie]

"Sorry if that upsets you but there is no mistake."

Erm, not really.  This was your experience, not mine. [|)]

[Risu no Kairu]

Is it possible to use question marks? (< Looks like a 'yes.')

[purelight]

Leyla here is my opinion. I don't know if it;s wrong or right...
Let's say you met your spirit guides or some beings you have been with so many lives. You didn't met them while dead (thanx god []) but while out of body.
What i want to say it's that you are still on earth for the reason you are here and had not yet finished that reason.
I believe if you had met them after you died (when your time will come) they sure will be warm and all that.
You are still here to take lessons and maybe if they act the way you expect them too they might break some of you purpose?
After all they are your spirit guides and they know more than you do here about you and your life.

[michael]

Leyla..I think that is a BRILLIANT point you have made..I have been considering writing an article for a magazine entitled "Cold Angels" because.in my view..that is EXACTLY what these spiritual beings are like...there is NO way in my view that spiritual entities go all "Oprah Winfrey Emoting" sort of crap that we mortals indulge in down here..they cannot...their evolutionary task has no time to deal with folks who "emote" and draw attewntion to themselves at the slghtest drop of a hat or proverbial tear! Good point indeed!!!!

[cube]

I think it's important to realize that there isn't always a connection between an entity's astral power and their ability to be loving.

If these angels are really in to having status and an important job then maybe they've decided not to develop their loving sides. Perhaps they choose who they love and who they don't love.

That is a valid way to do things I guess but it's not unconditional love. God's love is completely unconditional so it would be a huge mistake to expect that God is just a more powerful version of the angels you met.

Love unconditionally to be more like God. Just because a notion is pre-conceived doesn't mean it's not true. If your parent's taught you unconditional love is our highest expression then I would definitely hang on to that idea.

[Leyla]

I re-read two ancient text that deal with Angels.

1) Bible angels are not warm and snuggly. Whenever they appear they are usually there to kick someones butt, or to give someone the order to go kick someones butt.

2) The only exception is with the visitation to Mary and the Shepherds, and when they saw them they were "sore afraid" not "filled with warmpth and love."

3) The Book of Enoch goes into detail about Angels relationships with human women. Now I truly understand the formality.

4) It seems a long time ago a few Angels were taking advatage of their position and making human women their wives and even having children by them. A race of giants and two other races came from these unions. They were put in astral-jail for this crime.

I think this may be why they didn't want me to embrace them. The appearance of impropriety.

After all, I'm a dancer/model in my twenties with hair down to my behind- there's a verse or two in there about angels being attracted to womens hair, which is why you're supposed to wear a veil in church. (odd, but that's what it says)

[Nay]

quote:After all, I'm a dancer/model in my twenties with hair down to my behind- there's a verse or two in there about angels being attracted to womens hair, which is why you're supposed to wear a veil in church. (odd, but that's what it says)

LOL..you go girl...with a statement like that, there wont be a lack of attraction towards ya now!..[]

Nay.[]

[cube]

Leyla,
You're more knowledgable about the Bible than I am, if it's true about impersonal angels I think it's too bad because I don't like things that separate people. Anyway it's good that you've got both the spiritual and physical beauty thing going on!

[Fat_Turkey]

Well, if angels got attached it could be like a professional worker in a mental institute getting attached to one of his patients. He would feel sorry for the patient if the patient had to undergo some serious treatment like shock therapy, and do whatever he could to stop the patient from recieving such treatment. Life is a harsh lesson at times, and if a guiding spirit or angel became too attached it could be quite hazardous to our learning our lessons.

Later
~FT

[Huwie]

You lot might want to read Robert Monroe's books.  He had a lot to do with the higher entities (in a manner of speaking), and wrote a lot about them.

[kiauma]

I really couldn't say, because of my limited experience, but as far as angels emoting and stuff I'm pretty sure if the job required it they would do what was necessary, even if it require smiling or cheering someone up.

Just my two cents.

[Leyla]

Not only that, but it also said of these other half-breed races, (besides the giants) that they have physical bodies from their earthly mothers, and astral bodies from their heavenly fathers, and thus can operate in both places. There's a lot of heavy implications there, conserning those of us who astral travel.

As for the other comment, The thing they did that got them in so much trouble was, after falling in love with the human women they taught them things the weren't supposed to know/weren't ready to know. Like warfare, how to make weapons, magick, homeopathic medicine, and so forth. After that there was a huge war on earth and the angels who leaked the forbidden information to their human wives were punished and locked up in astral-prison. The women were killed.  

Takes "upstairs/downstairs relationships" to a whole new level doesn't it?

[Gandalf]

Leyla_

I think the problem here is the use of the word 'angel'.
Really we are just using this term as a kind of umbrella term to describe a whole load of very high level beings.
I think people shouldnt get hung up on one single description of them, or go by the definition from the bible and so on.
most religions speak of high level beings. The bible uses the term 'angel', which we use for convinience, as it is culturally well known in the west.
In the east, Buddhists use the term boddhivista or Bosatsu, which ammounts to pretty much the same thing, i cant remember the Hindu words.

However, Boddhivistas or angels refer to a huge variety of different beings, some of which radiate pure love etc and other types of being who are much more functional in their nature and approach.
Like people, I think there are a huge variety of high level beings of all diferent types to whom we apply the term 'angel'.
you have encountred one such variety. There are others, many people HAVE had encounters with high level beings who DO radiate pure love.

It appears however that the beings who contact you are doing so because it is their approach you need right now, even if it doesnt make sense to you, they know more about what you need than you do.

Again I would reccomend Monroe's books as he came across a wide range of high level beings as described, some of which found emotion quite alien. Others were indeed radiators of 'pure love'.
He also found that this energy 'pure love' IS the most important and powerful energy in the universe.

One thing Monroe learned was that one of the ultimate goals of human life was to learn to become a radiator of pure love, rather than simply a receiver as we are at the moment. Maybe this is why simply melting in front of high level beings is not what is always wanted.

I remember Frank mentioned beings he met who caused this effect without realising it (their loving radiation caused him to 'melt') and he actaully had to ask them to turn it down a bit as he found it impossible to converse with them.
Perhaps they have learned from this!

Douglas

[Huwie]

"I remember Frank mentioned beings he met who caused this effect without realising it (their loving radiation caused him to 'melt') and he actaully had to ask them to turn it down a bit as he found it impossible to converse with them."

Fascinating!  Monroe experienced exactly the same thing!  I'm very glad to hear others have been verifying his work, because it would be great to know for certain that Monroe reported accurately; his views on the nature of reality and existence have filled me with a lot of hope.

[kiauma]

Monroe's books sound fascinating!

What is his full name, and could you recomend some titles?

[Huwie]

Robert A Monroe.  He only wrote three books - Journeys Out of the Body, Far Journeys, and Ultimate Journey.  You must read them in that order.

I cannot recommend them enough, they're what got me interested in projection, but projection is only the beginning.  Monroe went so far beyond the 'simple' OBE you wouldn't believe it.  By far the most astonishing books I've ever read in my life. []

[Gandalf]

Yeah, there are also many others out there who have been following up on Monroe's findings. especially after making use of the Monroe institute, founded by him back in the 70's. Its still going I believe. I like it because it is in no way any kind of 'cult' or whatever. the insitute simply trains in how to enter or 'focus' on the astral. After that its up to you.

The main guy at the moment who has followed on from the 'Monroe school' is a guy called Bruce Moen. He was just a 'normal' guy who had a remarkable vision, (during an accident I believe). His vision suggested that there was more to life than just the physical world. Afterwards he attended the Monroe institute in order to learn how to focus on the astral, and has went on to be an impressive explorer in his own right.

Monroe himself died around 10 years. In Moen's last book, he described how he and some others actually met up with the late Mister Monroe in one of the astral worlds, where he seems to be doing fine!

Douglas

[Huwie]

Indeed, Moen has a fairly informative website at http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com - as a matter of fact, it was through his website that I found Astral Pulse.

TMI is still going, I have communicated with them via email.  Their Hemi-Sync range is ever-increasing.

"In Moen's last book, he described how he and some others actually met up with the late Mister Monroe in one of the astral worlds, where he seems to be doing fine!"

I have heard that Monroe actually still has a hand in the running of the Institute!  At the very least, he has been reported to be a guide to the Explorer Teams that work from there.

Gandalf - do you recommend Moen's books?  Is there anything more to be learned, above what Monroe wrote?

[Gandalf]

To be honest, I havent read Moen's books yet but from what I've gathered from the website and from those who participate, they are very good. Moen himself seems like a nice guy, very much in the Monroe mould. Moen has even posted to the astral pulse forums on the odd occasion!

As far as I know, Moen's explorations tend to cover the same areas as Monroe, but Moen has built on Monroe's discoveries and focused on them in more detail.
So if you want more detailed info on some of the things Monroe discovered then Moen is your man.

I will get round to reading some of Moen's stuff at some point.

Douglas