Ap Friends,
If you take the time out and go back to the day that you came across OBE - how did you react, what was the reason why you wanted to learn, did you think that this would take you this far years down the road. Did you really understand that with these experiences, how you could help change and love the physical/astral worlds?
What was your true prime-moving force behind to project? How did it really change your life and have helped others?
Tvos
The first time I became aware of my OB as an OB was as a child. I had been having them as far as I can remember, I remember astral sight, flying and other type of 'dream experiences' and then thinking that I must have imagined it, but at a certain age (8 or 9) I became aware of their being more than dreams when my parents went to a party where some of my favorite relatives would be (my favorite aunt-I adored her) and left us home with a sitter. Later at night I had my OB and remember going through a concrete wall (impressive to a little kid) feeling the texture of the wall, how it looked on the inside seeing the little rocks it was made of, this kind of thing, flying to where the party was and seeing who was there. The next morning I was convinced I had gone there somehow in spirit (although I had a very foggy concept of what that meant, there was no other explanation) so I told my mom who was there and what they were wearing- She got all pale and started to get mad (for a split second she thought I somehow sneaked to the party- Imagine that- with a sitter and everything!) I had to explain real fast how it happened- how I floated out of my room, went through the walls, etc. She went from mad to relieved to spooked- but handled it really well, and then got a bunch of books about astral travel (or OOB experiences and learned about them.) Then when I was 10 or 11 she let me read them. So that's how I found out what I had been doing. (Sounds like a birds/bees thing, lol.) The thing is that I had a lot more experiences with guides, other realms, gateways and other cool stuff, but I was too young to be impressed by them. By the time I was old enough to get a clue, most of the cooler stuff had gone down in frequency and intensity. My last "intense" experience was at 12, then from then on I had one or 2 RTZ projections a year (with luck) and what could pass for a 'normal' life for many years. My adventures 'restarted' about 9 years ago, (not within the scope of this thread) and I learned to induce OB about 2 years ago, and now here we are! :lol:
That's a great story CFTraveler, thanks for sharing it! Mine too began spontaneously when I was very young, probably from the time I can remember my dreams. But the one that 'sticks' out as my first one was when I was 9. I 'popped' into a cat while OoB and this poor little cat was running away from some type of danger. I was viewing life through it's eyes, I felt the emotions of the cat and the primal fear that I can only associate with animal instinct to run. This cat ran literally for it's life, it kept looking over it's shoulder for whatever was chasing it. If it were only that I would have passed it off as a vivid dream, but I felt the grass on 'my chin' and it was wet with dew, I felt the wetness on 'my paws' and the heart racing pumping of adrenaline. It was as though I was the cat.
I've had many of these types where I view from inside another person, in fact at the time I was 9 and had this OBE I just thought it was an awesome dream, but many years later I realized what it was. The reason I know that I view from 'inside' other people is I've 'seen' many events that end up on the news. I feel their emotions, I can hear their thoughts and I can literally see what they see, it's really bizarre, and can be quite frightening.
Fliesatnite
Wow! I had an experience like that as a teenager, in which a woman jumped off a building. I thought it was some sort of psychic dream (since the building was where my dad worked and it happened on the same day I dreamed it) but I never realized it could have been an OBE. Spooky!
I found the thread: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22427&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=10
Oh, thank God... I thought I was the only one who viewed from inside. Did you 'feel' her emotions as well? Hear her thoughts? Know why she jumped? I've done this with airplane crashes, I know why they crash weeks before the F.A.A releases their findings. Go figure.
I had one recently where a woman jumped from a moving vehicle on the freeway. Funny thing though, I 'got' her name as Annie or Amy.. but when the news came out her name was actually Jennifer. I thought...WTH? But as it turned out... she had been using her roommates I.D. that night she jumped. Her roommates name was Amy.
I thought I was losing my touch. Okay, sorry that wasn't funny, but you know what I mean. Can't change it, might as well flow.
I guess I would call these types of OBE's kind of a precog. OBE. ? What do you think?
Interesting responses. I've been a cat too. I remember running very low across the ground (as a cat would) and finding the sensation almost stomach-churning as it felt so fast.
Going back to TVOS question, my prime motivation is curiosity and adventure.
It's totally changed my life. I live, eat and breathe OBEs. :smile:
However, I do try and stay grounded as well. Playing poker (and losing) tends to help. :shock:
Sarah
Selski,
Did you ever stop to think of a great purpose with OBE's that it calls you? Not so much of the adventure and the ability to explore, but from the perspective of guiding, helping people.
Tvos
Ooops, I never got to the second half of TVOS question.
TVOS asked:
QuoteWhat was your true prime-moving force behind to project? How did it really change your life and have helped others?
My prime motive for achieving OBE's is furthering my higher spiritual self so that I have the tools to help guide others in finding spiritual awareness. In my belief system, I realize there are some that oppose this idea, but in my personal belief system Astral Travel or OBE's are for reconnecting to the wholeness of the universe and all of it's knowledge, love and unity.
It has changed my life in the way I look at people and situations. The long range effects of what humans are doing to each other and how in the end, we are all one.
fliesatnite,
You hit it right on the mark! Imagine if we all were able to accept each other as equal, not separated by distance, race, color, or creed. I wonder if the human race will ever advance that far before the planet is blown up or hit by a meteor.
Tvos
Quote from: the voice of silenceDid you ever stop to think of a great purpose with OBE's that it calls you? Not so much of the adventure and the ability to explore, but from the perspective of guiding, helping people.
Tvos
Great purpose? Not sure about that at the moment! I am a compassionate person and will help where the need arises (physical or otherwise), but I'm in the OBE camp for the experience and excitement mainly.
Sarah
Thanks TVOS! It's really hard to fathom that all of us would consider ourselves equal to one another. I think the planet will blow up or dry up before that happens!
Fliesatnite
didn't think of that too..:) maybe thats the whole purpose.. for us to finally learn how to love one another, not judge, pure unconditional truth and help each other.
tvos
I'm a firm believer in what we do here has a direct effect on where we end up on the other side. I don't tell anyone what to believe in or how to conduct their lives, since I would be reluctant for anyone to tell me what to do or believe in.
My personal motto is: The Karma Gods never sleep! :shock:
At the time I had first heard of OBE's I was looking for a way to enjoy life and experience more out of it. I had been in a depressive slump for years and was tired of it. I read some Monroe and was immediately hooked. I had never heard anything like what he was talking about, and couldn't believe no one had ever mentioned it to me. My boring, depressive world became a new playground. No, I couldn't OBE, and it took months to be able to do it for one short time. And not another one for years after that. But the way I viewed the world, reality, and my life changed.
So without it, life sucked. Why would I not do it?
One more thing - when I read about it, I talked to friends about it and everyone thought it was nuts. You can't really do that. But for some reason I never really doubted it. I guess some people are born for it and others not.
Stookie,
Its the first time when someone explains to you about astral projection, the ability to leave the body and how one accepts or rejects the claim. From my experience, I was VERY curious and with a spring of joy to learn. There was also with a little bit of skepticism too.
Just the other day, a recruiter contacted me for a job opportunity. They didn't realize the job that was being offered was the same company I am working for, but relocating across the state.. The recruiter asked about "Mind Awake, Body Asleep" and I pointed them to my site. I asked the next day in response your thoughts and feelings. Only they could say "I am not fully on the level of understanding that you are, but i do appreciate your striving for enlightenment".
So there's no need for me to take this any further with that person, otherwise I would just become a hindrance and nuisance. But it was nice reply vs. the negative same song and dance.
Tvos
TVOS,
Do you find yourself in a few synchronized moments? I have had several of late and I'd like to share today's with you, if you don't mind.
Yesterday, I came across this post and obviously answered it, or tried to without getting 'too deep' into my beliefs and today I come across this passage in the book I'm reading. It explains to a "T" where my intentions for achieving OBE's lie.
QuoteCertain mystical techniques and substances have been known for centuries to provide glimpses of the upper floors. (This part book is talking about OBE's and spiritual development). These are best treated as sacred, rather than recreational, activities; they can be useful as 'previews of coming attractions.
Spirit is always here, always with us, around us, inside us. There are no shortcuts to this realization. Mystical practices generate heightened awareness, but if experiences aren't grounded in a responsible life in this dimension, they lead nowhere
(Dan Millman, Sacred Journey of the Peaceful Warrior)
With that being said, I, in NO way want to put a damper on another persons' point of view or their own reasons as to why they want to achieve OBE's. This doesn't mean that I don't respect any one else's reasons for it, I can appreciate everyone's point of view. This just states my
own personal explanation, one that I could not have summed up better.
So, when I read this in my book, I literally took pause to re-read it, think of synchronicity, smile, and thought of you.
Fliesatnite
fliesatnite wrote:QuoteOh, thank God... I thought I was the only one who viewed from inside. Did you 'feel' her emotions as well? Hear her thoughts? Know why she jumped? I've done this with airplane crashes, I know why they crash weeks before the F.A.A releases their findings. Go figure.
I just remember what she was feeling at the time- emotions, not thoughts per se. A very strong feeling of despair- vertigo, looking down and thinking that it had to end somehow. Perhaps an indecision (jump or no) then vertigo, and then flying in the air, then I woke up.
But no personal information, just pure raw emotion. Very distrurbing.
This happened over 26 years ago, but I don't think I forgot much of it.
CFTraveler,
I completely understand what you mean by disturbing, there are times when I am viewing from inside another person but don't have any details. Here's one I have rarely, if ever shared:
I was viewing from inside a man, he was with a few other men in a business district somewhere. They had come out of a building and it had been raining, the air was cool and damp. He had a gun in his hands.
I heard shots from behind me and a bullet pierced my leg and then I was shot with what I assume to be a shot gun because it took of the top part of my head. (Eeewww) Then I fell down on the pavement, I felt a weird numbness in my head and the wet rocky cold pavement on my face. My last thought was how come I'm not dead? The whole top of this man's head was gone. Then I felt the life go from this man and I 'exited' and flew away.
Talk about creepy.
I was working a night shift (when I was around 21) when one of the guys I worked with turned me onto astral travel and it intrigued me so he loaned me a book on the subject, "the handbook of astral projection" or something like that and I took it home after work (morning) and immediately read the first few chapters. I was really tired, so I hit the sack and BAM :shock: I had my first (short) astral projection right then and there! That was just mind bending and I was never the same. I studied up on it and practiced it night and day, sometimes with success but often without.
Then one time (I think it was just a year or so after my first projection) I had a bad experience and I had to fight to get back to my body. It scared me so much that I all but vowed to give it up for good. So I gave it up for about 3-5 years, but the vibrations were very strong and I eventually had to give in to them as they were exhausting me. I'm glad I did as I never had another bad experience and it was simply meant to be.
I think the most important thing I learned from all this is that there is more then meets the eye and things are not what they seem. Consciousness is hugely magical and hugely vast and reality is one state of consciousness, but it is one side of a many sided coin. More importantly it has allowed me to (IMHO) really understand so much about the nature of "God" and my relationship to the universal creative force and fellow human beings and animals and plants. A lot of questions that I could not answer before I seem to have answers to (at least to my satisfaction) and I feel prepared for anything that may come (or so I think :wink: )
Quote from: CFTravelerLater at night I had my OB and remember going through a concrete wall (impressive to a little kid) feeling the texture of the wall, how it looked on the inside seeing the little rocks it was made of, this kind of thing,
One of the coolest things about OBE is the similarity in peoples descriptions of the experience, most notably the "vibes", but also in things like this. I remember one time I was traveling through a wall and I had the very same experience. I could clearly see the microscopic material that the wall was made of as I passed though it right down to the fiber and air gaps. It was really amazing!
Token,
I enjoyed reading your experience and marvel the fact it only took you a few chapters and you'd the first OBE.
The one thing that I've learned in many years of astral travel is that there will be the beautiful, loving, kind experiences, and the dark and negative. This is universal that light and darkness permeates all - we just need to know how to live with it, learn and choose the right path towards the light.
Just like in physical waking life, there's good and bad all around us. Its how we choose and decide our reality.
Projecting can be scary at first, but the more you work with it, smooth out the wrinkles it definitely gets better in time. Your not alone with the experience of not being able to return and having endless false awakening, projections. Been there, done it and have always returned.
Tvos
Quote from: the voice of silenceAp Friends,
If you take the time out and go back to the day that you came across OBE - how did you react, what was the reason why you wanted to learn, did you think that this would take you this far years down the road. Did you really understand that with these experiences, how you could help change and love the physical/astral worlds?
What was your true prime-moving force behind to project? How did it really change your life and have helped others?
Tvos
In my early 20s I read about OBEs and decided to try having them. Main reason was just curiosity. I didn't have patience to train regularly, I just read about them and did some training. That wasn't succesful but in one morning I had spontaneous OBE. It gave me enough proof that OBEs are a real thing and there is life after death. Since then I haven't had enough time or interest to really practice, but I have done some meditation, received interesting visions, lucid dreams and little ESP.
I have also read Ian Stevenson's books and to me his research on reincarnation has far more valuable evidence on survival after death than OBEs or NDEs. OBEs are best way to personally verify these things, but it's not very wise to talk about OBEs to all people. I have told only about Stevenson's reincarnation research and other "scientific enough" stuff to other people. If I would talk about my own experiences, they would think that I'm crazy.
Having an OBE and achieving proof of soul's existence hasn't really changed my view of life dramatically, but rather added to it some positive elements. In short, I had same values and moral etc. but after spiritual experiences I got knowledge, that has strengthened my view of life. I know now that my ancestors understood how universe works. I am more motivated to become better human and help my family, friends and also my folk. I am also more calm and adversities in life don't bother me as much as before.
SS_Patrick,
I too have read Dr. Ian Anderson's books on reincarnation, and must agree with you. The scientific proof to me and the fact that he went out of his way to have a self professed skeptic journalist travel with him, only to be amazed at what he saw was quite interesting.
QuoteHaving an OBE and achieving proof of soul's existence hasn't really changed my view of life dramatically, but rather added to it some positive elements. In short, I had same values and moral etc. but after spiritual experiences I got knowledge, that has strengthened my view of life. I know now that my ancestors understood how universe works. I am more motivated to become better human and help my family, friends and also my folk. I am also more calm and adversities in life don't bother me as much as before.
Based on your above paragraph, I was wondering, have you ever read any of Dan Millman's books? The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, Journey of the Peaceful Warrior.. ?
Quote from: fliesatnite
Based on your above paragraph, I was wondering, have you ever read any of Dan Millman's books? The Way of the Peaceful Warrior, Journey of the Peaceful Warrior.. ?
No. I have never even heard of them.
I highly recommend them, if you do a search on Dan Millman, he has a website about his books. They are interesting and insightful, and very much in line with your post. Which is what made me think of him.
Quote from: fliesatniteI highly recommend them, if you do a search on Dan Millman, he has a website about his books. They are interesting and insightful, and very much in line with your post. Which is what made me think of him.
I'll check them out when I'll have more time.
Fliesatnite,
What is interesting about reincarnation are the Indigo Children ( I think that's what they are called). Children that are able to describe everything that happened in their past life, talents, loves, work up until their death.
How much farther do we've to look for proof?
Tvos
Some people accept re-incarnation as naturally as breathing, where as other people, no matter how much 'proof' they are shown will never have enough to convince them that there is any validity to re-incarnation, astral traveling, OBE's, NDE's, any thing beyond what they can't touch.
double post, oops.
I haven't been to this forum in quite awhile, and this is one of my first few posts hopefully among many.
In my fourteenth year of existence I found my way towards the subject of astral projection while in another forum about dreaming and was one among the "projections are merely hallucinations akin to dreaming" crowd. I tried one method recommended to me and one morning to my surprise I experienced the fabled vibrations so much talked about in Bruce's treatise and book and almost immediately afterward developed my astral sight. Needless to say, this took me quite off guard and threw my entire outlook on life completely upside down. Prior to this I was quite depressed, and felt no ultimate meaning or truth developing in my life... Afterward I read all I could on the subject, virtually consuming the knowledge in his book as fast as I could, trying to recreate that amazing state... I felt so close numerous times... I could recreate the trance state at will, developed my chakras, and was meditating daily... Sadly, soon after I fell into the pit of drug abuse (marijuana) he so warned about in his book and shot all the previous progress I had made in the matter.
I fell yet again into the abysmal depression I had experienced as a younger man for another two years until we come up to a time very recent. I began meditating again quite frequently, trying to fulfill the Buddhist principles of good karma (action) and benevolent love and compassion for all life in it's many forms, and I began feeling very good about life. Sobriety and happiness were not synonymous until now and I felt a very real and tangible sense of exuberance and purpose permeating my being...
And oddly enough, as this developed, I was anxious to try a new drug, a new panacea, much like the one that had before sent me down that dark slope of passive Nihilism and mental decay. Salvia Divinorum I somehow thought would give me an even greater perspective and scope on life in all it's intricacies and beauty. I had acquired this substance after much anticipation on my part and much irritation on the part of my sibling having to find it for me. It engendered inside a state of pure confusion and fear, in great contrast to the near-bliss and contented state I had felt a few hours earlier. The next day felt much the same and there was a lot of pain and sadness, almost to the point of tears... After a lengthy debate, almost a self-dialogue of sorts with a friend of mine, I decided to cast away my fetters and give up drugs altogether in order for my more spiritual nature to be cultivated.
How this has anything to do with OBEs and love, compassion, and spirituality is up to you guys, somehow it just flooded out and needed to be said to some soul out there in cyberspace.
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I had found that the ultimate truth, the ultimate happiness, the ultimate panacea could only be found within.
Berserk_Exodus,
First off, let me say welcome back! Hopefully you will share with us your perspectives on Astral Travels as well as your journey through this place we call life.
Thank you for sharing with us what you already have. I believe it says quite a bit about a person to share something so personal, as your trials and tribulations. Much less to admit to it to cyberspace for all to opine about. With such a reflection about yourself you must be aware that drugs are, although for some recreational and for others, well, just a down right bad habit. :wink:
We all have can have burdens with such things, whether it be marijuana, or cocaine, to nicotine and alcohol. Tempting as they are, experimental as we are, well... it's just a combination some of us, myself included, cannot pass up the opportunity to explore. I'm a beer person myself. Glad to know that you've come to the conclusion that it only brings about depression and anxieties. Recognizing that fact is, in itself HUGE! :smile:
I hope that this forum renews your interest in astral travel among other things and is a whole new wonderful spiritual journey for you. So, like I mentioned (pun intended) Welcome Back!
Fliesatnite
Berserk_Exodus,
QuoteHow this has anything to do with OBEs and love, compassion, and spirituality is up to you guys, somehow it just flooded out and needed to be said to some soul out there in cyberspace.
Good deal on understanding the importance of drugs and how it effects your ability to project. I stated in my faqs on my web site about Drugs:
Do you take drugs, drink, medication to produce the oobe?
No! – Any kinda of chemical that one consumes to alter their consciousness can produce a oobe. It takes great amount of energy to control, focus, and sustain the level of awareness when exiting the body and exploring the astral worlds. Drugs will just slow your reaction time, cloud your memory, and present inaccurate visions. Not also to mention that it effects your physical body which is not good for intake.
Now, I know there are cults, practices, religious ceremonies that use peyote, marijuana and other hulligenics. If its part of their practice, worship and for the grace of God to connect. Okay - can't argue it, but if its just to get oblivated and try to induce a obe - not good.
Going back 1/1/2005 I decided to stop drinking alcohol and to present I haven't touched beer, whiskey. It has definitely made a difference and impact on projecting. My mind is much clearer, don't need the drug to change my consciousness. Its at the best when you're OBE and astral traveling enjoying and absorbing every second of detail. To me - that is Gods gift and its better then any drug made in physical substance.
Keep up the excellent work!
tvos
Hah, thanks for the support guys... That's one of the things I love about the internet, it connects human experiences from all around and one doesn't seem as nearly alone as one might feel without it.
I strive to be real to myself and others; the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I think there are many, many more possibilities contained within the human mind alone than what some believe must expressed through external sources... I'd have to say the most amazing thing about that story to me was the fact that I had a direct and tangible result of one's action (karma) in it's most concrete form.
But, I feel quite good, my dream recall is finally starting to recover as a result.
Berserk_Exodus,
I think your on the right path and good to see. Just be thankful to God that you caught this at a early age vs. later in life. Some people don't ever get that gift.
Tvos