Do You Astral Project When You Go To Sleep Or When You Wake Up?

[astral traveler]

most of my astral projections occur right before i wake up versus right after falling asleep.

we have at least two chances to consciously astral project when we sleep:

1. right when we go to sleep

2. right when we wake up

again, most of my experiences occur when i'm waking up as opposed to when i'm falling asleep.

there are even times when i gain consciousness right in the middle of a sleep period, only to find myself already out-of-body.  this may occur in several waves during a sleep period.

[Starvingpercussionist]

I sometimes get vibes after unexpectedly waking early from a dream. Most of the time, though, I get them upon going to sleep if I am still tired by midday.

[astral traveler]

i think that it differs from person to person.

[Starvingpercussionist]

Most likely. One way or another, in order to astrally project you have to first cross the threshold of physical waking consciousness. Interesting question though.

[astral traveler]

Most likely. One way or another, in order to astrally project you have to first cross the threshold of physical waking consciousness. Interesting question though.

i find that it's easier for me to get into the dream state first.  then, when i realize that i'm dreaming, i may simply shut down the dream.  when the dream is shut down, one perceives directly into the astral realms.

i may additionally enter into a wake-dreaming state during sensory-deprived meditation practice.  then i just let my body fall asleep while retaining mental consciousness.  most people unfortunately wait until they're physically asleep to enter into the dream state, but i prefer to enter into the dream state while i'm still physically awake (called wake-dreaming).

[ka0s]

I've projected at night but not great results and VERY VERY rarely. 99% of the time I project in the morning and often have multiple OBE's while laying on my back. (meaning I project, return to body and physically awake then repeat)..

[jub jub]

Good question. After thinking about it, most of my projections occur after I've entered REM and start to come out. I'm sort of in the half awake, half asleep realm.

[David Warner]

my last OBE that I recorded with a three video camera setup, audio recording my heart beat and breathing.. should have it released sometime in the next month on my site.

what I found is that in these videos I record and upon returning back to the body and then awakening, you can see that I am clearly in a trance state which I shake my head back/fourth.. it does not look like a typical rem, peaceful awakening from a dream.

rather than playing guess games why don't you start recording your times and start tracking.. i just did a 3yr study and know exactly where I am at with projecting.

tvos

[astral traveler]

I've projected at night but not great results and VERY VERY rarely. 99% of the time I project in the morning and often have multiple OBE's while laying on my back. (meaning I project, return to body and physically awake then repeat)..

yes, this is how it happens with me most often.

[astral traveler]

Good question. After thinking about it, most of my projections occur after I've entered REM and start to come out. I'm sort of in the half awake, half asleep realm.

okay.  same here most often.

[astral traveler]

my last OBE that I recorded with a three video camera setup, audio recording my heart beat and breathing.. should have it released sometime in the next month on my site.

interesting.  i've never thought to record myself.

what I found is that in these videos I record and upon returning back to the body and then awakening, you can see that I am clearly in a trance state which I shake my head back/fourth.. it does not look like a typical rem, peaceful awakening from a dream.

how can you tell from a recording what the difference between a trance state and typical sleep is?  what are the indicators?  i sometimes fall into trance when i'm wide awake and meditating, depending on how we're defining trance.  most people have trances when their bodies are asleep, but i have them when my body is awake too.

rather than playing guess games why don't you start recording your times and start tracking.. i just did a 3yr study and know exactly where I am at with projecting.

tvos

hhmm, that would take a financial investment.  i'd be interested in trying it, but i'm probably more focused on paying down my mortgage first.  not a lot of excess cash flow right now.  that'd be my only hindrance.

[David Warner]

AT,

Are you willing to pay the price for being able to project weekly?  Tracking is a investment and it you have to show up everyday as it is the olympics.

Read my article on tracking:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/blankets-t28718.0.html

Read towards the thread.

Tvos

[astral traveler]

AT,

Are you willing to pay the price for being able to project weekly?

i've already paid the price for 25 years.  i'm already projecting several times weekly and am performing bio-manipulation enhancements which currently exceed anything publicly available.  we exchanced emails several days back.  i don't mean to be condescending, but spending my energies on tracking at this point will detour me from priority agenda.  i applaud you for your work in that direction.  we are on entirely different paths.  blessings to you.

[David Warner]

your not condescending, I don't remember everyone that visit my site, nor their nicknames.. just too many people to keep up with and I am always repeating the importance of tracking...

I wish more people would explore these avenue's and start tracking. To me it makes common sense!

Can you explain more indetail about bio-manipulation enhancements?

Keep up the good work.

Tvos

[+Explorer+]

I just can't get myself to attempt AP when I wake up. When I wake up I have to go pee and my nose is very stuffy and sometimes my back hurts. All this stuff would distract me from relaxing in the morning. This morning it was also very cold (in Florida) so how could I AP in the morning.

[Starvingpercussionist]

Hmm. Bioenhancements might be a good topic for a new thread, I have done some work like that myself actually, although it might not be the same thing AT is doing. 

[MinstruelZ]

OK what are bioenhancements? There's a word that comes up with zero hits on google. 

[astral traveler]

your not condescending, I don't remember everyone that visit my site, nor their nicknames.. just too many people to keep up with and I am always repeating the importance of tracking...

I wish more people would explore these avenue's and start tracking. To me it makes common sense!

yes, i fully agree that tracking is very important.  maybe i already do this in my own personal way, although i don't record and publish the results.  my current endeavors are taking up my full energies and resources.

Can you explain more indetail about bio-manipulation enhancements?

Keep up the good work.

Tvos

certainly.  thanks.

btw, these methods are extremely dangerous, and have a 99% chance of causing chronic or permanent brain and/or organ damage if practiced by anyone who would endeavor them without the necessary knowledge base.  please don't do this at home.  i've done a vast amount of research into these bio-enhancements over the last decade, so i'm working within a much safer framework.  it's safe for me, but not for others.

in this context, bio-enhancement primarily involves the reprogramming of the body's circadian rhythm (among other things), wherein an individual would be awake 2/3rds of the time and asleep 1/3rd of the time (as usual with anyone).  however, the waking and sleeping blocks would either be substantially lengthened or shortened with this particular methodology.

1. circadian extension: the circadian rhythm of the average person is on a 24 hour cycle (16 hours awake and 8 hours asleep).  my methods extend the circadian rhythm to a 48 hour cycle (32 or more hours awake and 16 or more hours asleep) or longer for a potentially lifetime basis.  i will even attempt to push it up to 72 hours and 96 hours.  please be aware that this requires years of knowledgable training along with a sacrifice or career and family contacts.  if a person lacks the research necessary, this will cause chronic to permanent brain and/or organ damage, and may even be fatal.  the effects of this training cause the brain, heart, lungs, stomach, eyes, ears, etc.  to function at several times the normal operating intensity, as well as inducing a hibernation-like sleep state incurring potential systemic hyper-regeneration of the organs.

2. sleep fragmentation: this method is somewhat safer, but should still be approached with care.  the merger of the waking and sleeping states is acheived through splicing the waking and sleeping blocks in half several times.  again, the average person is awake 16 hours and asleep 8 hours per day.  however, these times would be shortened (8hrs awake/4hrs asleep to 4hrs awake/2hrs asleep to 2hrs awake/1hr asleep to 1 hr awake/1/2hr asleep, etc.).  this is progressively trained gradually over several weeks, months and years, and is interspersed with the circadian rhythm extension as mentioned above.  this method causes the waking and sleeping states to overlap to a greater degree, depending upon how many years trained.

other secondary methods involve intensified long-term fasting over several weeks, sensory deprivation (of sight and sound) for several days, and adaptive temperature exposure for several hours.

again, i'm pushing these methods to the absolute limits of human health, to levels which require monkish-like sacrifices of career and family.  don't do this at home.  it will damage your health severely, and may prove fatal in some cases.  i'm simply more cognizant of safety methods than the average person due to my years of personal experimentation and research.  since the effects of these methods are so potentially dangerous, i've chosen not to publish them due to legal liability reasons.

[astral traveler]

Hmm. Bioenhancements might be a good topic for a new thread, I have done some work like that myself actually, although it might not be the same thing AT is doing. 

please feel free to share.

[astral traveler]

OK what are bioenhancements? There's a word that comes up with zero hits on google. 

that's just a fancy name for performing bio-manipulation to enhance the body and brain.

[Starvingpercussionist]

please feel free to share.

Haha, ok, it's nothing like your methods though, although maybe as dangerous (at least for me it was dangerous, lol) so a researcher like yourself might find this intriguing (or possibly worthy of investigation).

This method brings real physiological and immediately tangible changes in the brain and nervous system, and it's sort of like a chain reaction once the process is initialized. The researcher who discovered this was T. D. Lingo, and you can read more about him and the method of "clicking" your amygdalas (parts of the brain) here: www.neilslade.com . I must say, however, that Neil Slade's website comes across as unproffesional, to say the least (all you really need to know is where the amydgala is and how to stimulate it). Still though, the feather visualization method works, and if you do it long enough you WILL have a "frontal lobes pop" eventually (it took me only a few weeks). This is the initialization of the process. After the initial "pop", you gain the ability to click brain cells together and literally re-hardwire your brain (and entire nervous system as well). The danger for me was when at one point my whole brain literally started to expand, pushing my eyeballs forward and made it feel like I had a hemorrage in my brain. It was freakin' scary (and painful too), I mean I didn't know what was happening, I thought my brain was going to get too big for my head haha. I must admit, though, I was consciously doing this connecting process nonstop since I had gained the ability to do it because I had the goal of transcending the need to think from the outset.

I know it might sound crazy and all, but please, try out the feather method for yourself first if you're going to pass judgement. Not all the stuff on the website may work for you (he talks about other ways to stimulate the amygdala), but still, the method of visualizing a feather tickling that area of the brain is what really works (at least IMO) beyond a doubt (although don't expect to have a "pop" sensation until you've been "clicking" the amygdalas for at least a few weeks).

On a side note, I still believe that if you can connect ALL the nervous system together then you will have permenantly transcended the need to think. You might find this to be a worthwhile pursuit, if you think that may be possible.

PS - I opened my kundalini while doing this without using meditation. That was most likely a result of the rearrangement of my energy body as I did some other techniques I came up with on my own a few weeks before the kundalini awakening.

[astral traveler]

i'm not quite sure how this works.  i've never heard of this.  not sure if it's safe or not, from what you're telling me.

[Starvingpercussionist]

Trust me, it works, haha. I dunno how or why though, but it's definitely real.

It probably is safe, it's just when I opened my kundalini early that probably messed me up. It's been a year since I had that violent brain expansion experience though so I don't remember if that came before or after the kundalini awakening.

[MinstruelZ]

That's cool that you are into Neil Slade's book, percussionist. I read Frontal Lobes Supercharge but haven't had the success you described. I may get back into it. I found his work to be very interesting, but less-than-professionally delivered.

[astral traveler]

It probably is safe, it's just when I opened my kundalini early that probably messed me up. It's been a year since I had that violent brain expansion experience though so I don't remember if that came before or after the kundalini awakening.

i probably put my brain through enough rigor as it is, lol.