I have heard that you can astral project in a way that you use so much etheric energy that you can stay in real time zone and effect and move physical objects.
Is there anyone here that can do this and if so, how do you train to do this?
where can i read about that
I would love to know where you read or heard that. I honestly do not believe it is possible, but I do have an open mind. After all; If I can get up out of my body and fly at night as it sleeps then I think almost anything can be possible.
this would be one heck of a experiment to test... maybe one can learn to "de-materialize" and appear or move a object. I wouldn't put it past that it could not be performed, but would take incredible skill, and higher knowledge.
tvos
i always thought that it was possible becasue etheric energy is physical so you can effect physical things if you have enough etheric energy outside of the body, but it does sound very difficult.
I'm not sure but i think that ghosts are ethiric in nature and if they can effect physical things why can't APers
im not sure if they are etheric or not, if they exist in F23oC, in stead of the Real Time Zone, but who knows, it would seem logical that they are etheric.
I think it's possible although i've never done it. I got a bit scared once because I got lost on the way back and when I finally found my body again and tried to get back, I found I couldn't. I had this idea that if I could turn the light on all would be well, totally crazy but there you go, mad gemini's way of thinking! It didn't work!
I think AP'ers cant affect physical objects because (as robert bruce said) they dont project exactly into the physical dimention. Apparently the RTZ is an energetic reflection of the physical dimention existing at a slightly less dense vibrational rate. This explains the reality fluctuations commonly experienced in the rtz, because its not as solid.
I would certainly agree with this theory from my experiences so far.
At the first stage of death (cessation of physical body), the etheric body and all its energeic substance converges with the subtle real time body.
Naturally this makes the new real time body more powerful and closer to the physical dimention than it could ever be during a self induced OBE, and in turn makes the experience very strong.
I think if the person had a well developed etheric body in theyre life they could do things which the average ghost couldnt do, eg manifest itself, move physical objects, make noises etc.
Targett -
Are you saying that the Etheric Body and the Real-Time Body are two different things? I always assumed it was the same. At the same time, I've heard other people say that the Etheric Body doesn't really exist, it only does because we want it to.
My original teaching of the Etheric Body is that it's an accumulation of energies that make our different physical organs and systems work the way they do.
Targett, I found your theory sounding most logical, although i have always just assumed the Real Time Body was just the Astral Body, no difference. And i can see that you would get more etheric energy out of body when you die, joining with the astral would make it more powerful then while projecting while alive and getting some energy onto your astral/realtime body.
Just to add my thoughts if someone was extremely good at telekinesis they would probably have a much better chance, if it is possible.
stookie
Yeah, Robert Bruce says the real time body is the vehicle used to interact with the real time environment. It is generated and powered by the etheric body during an obe.
From my experience the etheric body definitely exists, you can feel the sensations when you stimulate certain areas of it during energy raising exercises.
I don't want to talk much about the etheric body and its functions yet because I'm still learning and not fully clued up about the subject yet.
So maybe it's the real-time body that doesn't exist, and only does through the etheric body when we need it to. I also assumed that the RTZ and the Etheric Plane were the same thing - am I wrong?
yes they are the same thing