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Quote from: floriferous on October 05, 2018, 00:29:14This is why i advocate indirect obe methods first.
Quote from: Yodad on October 06, 2018, 00:58:41Got any links/details regarding recommended indirect methods?
Quote from: floriferous on October 06, 2018, 03:29:52I think any method that utilizes losing consciousness right before the OBE is great way for people to get some experience under their belt. This way, unlike direct methods, you don't get all analytical about it and constantly wondering if you're nearly there. Let your consciousness do the work for you. I think going straight for a direct OBE is hard but if you've already created a path in the long grass through some indirect methods it makes it easier to then do direct ones and once you do then move onto direct methods you know exactly what an obe is like for you abd so you k now just how close or far away you are.If I remember rightly when I first started I did the timer method which involved getting up at around d 5 am then listenING to some binaural beats to send you to sleep but it had a timer go off after a certain amount of time to wake you. You would then drift off again and the timer would go off again after a shorter period of time. This would continue about four times with the time betweens alarms getting shkrter and shorter and all the while your consciousness is levelling off around the wake sleep border and invariably you would automatically experience something like the vibrations or just find yourself out of body.Also the wake back to bed method is good. I still utilize a modified version of that with about a success rate of 85%. With these methids you don't need to worry about exit techniques or questions how close you are. William Buhl man did indirect techniques for years.With doing a direct method wit no experience you are flying a little blind not really ever sure if you're doing it right. Sure there are lots of generic symptoms of our OBEs as guidelines but reading too much into them can hinder progress because your experience of symptoms s might be different from another's and you question if you're doing it right. They experienced the vibrations. Why can't I? I must be doing something wrong.
Quote from: Nameless on March 19, 2021, 16:39:30Is it okay if I maybe derail this conversation just a little bit to ask a question? I'll go ahead and ask considering the slow pace here but will remove it if it is not appropriate.Has anyone considered that what we think of exit symptoms and sign posts may be something else?What I mean is that perhaps in your effort to 'exit' you have allowed yourself to partially view what actually is around us all the time. We just don't usually see/hear them. Has anyone tried 'staying' here (as opposed to exiting) and studying this phenomenon from 'this' side?
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on July 28, 2023, 01:47:09I agree with LightBeam on this in that these are energetic signals as our consciousness is moving/shifting/traversing through frequency levels,
QuoteG'day,I suggest that this phenomenon may be related to the reentry of your projected subtle aspects.This could be an energy phenomena related to reintegration, or it may involve the actual return of your projected astral double.robert
Quote from: Volgerle on July 28, 2023, 12:47:29Ok, now a 'slight' variation or reversal on this topic together with a question. Has anyone even had recurring re-entry sensations like I had (mostly 12 years ago)?Back then I called them PREES (post reentry electricity sensations). I asked in 2010 Robert Bruce about it. Still found it in the archives. So here's what he told me on his forum then:https://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11075-OBE-re-entry-(or-post-wake-up)-electric-chills-all-over-bodyI had this quite often around 2010-11 but later it vanished.On my old archived OBE-Journal on Astraldynamics (which is very well searchable still) I now found 15 entries mentioning it. It was quite a constant thing then for me it seems, at least in 2011, I suppose therefore I created the acronym PREES for it but I remember I was disappointed that almost no one experienced it like I did.https://www.astraldynamics.com.au/search.php?searchid=1269397So, after 12 years let me do an update survey ... anyone of you experiencing anything similar upon return and even a short time during 'wake up'?