Feel Weighed Down When Flying

[c0sm0nautt]

Hello All.

I've had a handful of spontaneous OBE and lucid dream experiences ever since I became infatuated with the subject a couple years back (still have trouble telling the two apart  ). I was able to reach the vibrational stage within my first week of reading Buhlman's Adventures Beyond the Body, but it seems I don't get the heavy energy sensations anymore. Most of my experiences now occur when I'm falling back to sleep in the middle of the night or when I become semi-lucid in dreams. What I do is I will focus my attention on the "energy of the body", which I suppose is Robert Bruce's Tactile Imaging technique. This seems to bring about some energy sensations when I find myself in the body-relaxed state, which then leads to my subtle body sort of "rolling" or floating out of my body.

Just tonight I took a nap and found myself in a dream where I was sleeping at my Aunt's house on the floor. The dream sort of ended and I found myself in that limbo state between sleep and waking. I focused on the feeling of my body, and after having my usual 'bout with doubt' and fear, I felt myself roll and float out of my body. I found myself on my driveway which is about 30 feet diagonal towards the ground from my room on the second story of my house. I was very excited about being out of body and I attempted flying as I usually do. But like always, I feel like I have a ball and chain weighing me down - I simply can't fly fast and high into the sky. I suspect the cause is doubts or subconscious fears? I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to overcome and transcend this blockage. I can still fly, it just seems weighed and I often lose control and gravitate towards the ground. I feel like I have a voice behind the voice in my head, like an inner critic which is always thinking of the worst case scenario.

The OBE itself was pretty amazing, regardless if my flying was weighed down. The stars were so vibrant. The moon shown brightly behind a small patch of blue clouds. When I attempted to explore a part of my neighborhood (which has been the topic of some interesting dreams) I lost focus and awoke. At one point I remember thinking I wanted to meet my spirit guide and I thought I saw a crab hanging out in a tree.

Well, thanks for reading. Any advise or comments welcome!

[shineling]

Flying is kinda rare for me too. Sometimes when I OBE I feel very light and can take off immediately. I once went from the ground all the way to the clouds and was able to fly around unencumbered. They way it started was that I looked up and saw a little rainbow in a hole in the clouds.

So I think flying has to do with really positive vibes.

If you can get into that light and love mentallity in your OBE I think flying is easy.  

[Xanth]

Hello All.

I've had a handful of spontaneous OBE and lucid dream experiences ever since I became infatuated with the subject a couple years back (still have trouble telling the two apart   ).

http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/08/31/dreams-lucid-dreams-and-astral-projections%E2%80%A6-what%E2%80%99s-the-difference/
Once you realize what the difference between the experiences are, you'll have no issue in recognizing them.

Just tonight I took a nap and found myself in a dream where I was sleeping at my Aunt's house on the floor. The dream sort of ended and I found myself in that limbo state between sleep and waking. I focused on the feeling of my body, and after having my usual 'bout with doubt' and fear, I felt myself roll and float out of my body. I found myself on my driveway which is about 30 feet diagonal towards the ground from my room on the second story of my house. I was very excited about being out of body and I attempted flying as I usually do. But like always, I feel like I have a ball and chain weighing me down - I simply can't fly fast and high into the sky. I suspect the cause is doubts or subconscious fears? I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to overcome and transcend this blockage. I can still fly, it just seems weighed and I often lose control and gravitate towards the ground. I feel like I have a voice behind the voice in my head, like an inner critic which is always thinking of the worst case scenario.

The OBE itself was pretty amazing, regardless if my flying was weighed down. The stars were so vibrant. The moon shown brightly behind a small patch of blue clouds. When I attempted to explore a part of my neighborhood (which has been the topic of some interesting dreams) I lost focus and awoke. At one point I remember thinking I wanted to meet my spirit guide and I thought I saw a crab hanging out in a tree.

Well, thanks for reading. Any advise or comments welcome!

The sense of being held down ALWAYS comes from the projector.
Even a person who has projected a lot can still become a victim to their own expectations from time to time.
You just have to re-affirm to yourself that gravity doesn't exist.  It's all in your mind.  

Flying is kinda rare for me too. Sometimes when I OBE I feel very light and can take off immediately. I once went from the ground all the way to the clouds and was able to fly around unencumbered. They way it started was that I looked up and saw a little rainbow in a hole in the clouds.

So I think flying has to do with really positive vibes.

If you can get into that light and love mentallity in your OBE I think flying is easy. 

"Positive vibes" have only so much to do with flying in that you need to BELIEVE that you can do it.
Other than that, it's just mind over matter.  Literally.

Next time you find yourself lucid or projecting... just jump into the air and BELIEVE.  Peter Pan really did have it right. 
Except you don't need fairy dust OR a happy thought.  LoL

[c0sm0nautt]

Thanks for the responses. So Xanth you think the only difference between a lucid dream and OBE is level of awareness and control? I feel most of my lucid dreams have the same amount of control as my OBE... Maybe they are all OBE? I do have some dreams once in a while were I feel like I am half-lucid, but most of them I know 100% I am aware within a environment other than physical reality. Robert Bruce makes the claim that we slip in both a dream and an OBE (two separate locals) at the same time upon falling to sleep. So there is almost a three-way mind split going on. I thought the dream sphere is more like a subjective training ground on the astral planes where our Higher Self or Dream Source can instill lessons upon us. 

[Xanth]

Thanks for the responses. So Xanth you think the only difference between a lucid dream and OBE is level of awareness and control? I feel most of my lucid dreams have the same amount of control as my OBE

Not control... just how consciously aware you are during the experience.
You could be Lucidly aware, yet have amazing control over the non-physical environment.
Likewise, you could be Projecting and not have any control over the environment.

It's a strange concept.  But for me, it only relates to Conscious Awareness.

... Maybe they are all OBE?

They are all OBEs.  Just OBE's of differing levels of conscious awareness.

I do have some dreams once in a while were I feel like I am half-lucid, but most of them I know 100% I am aware within a environment other than physical reality.

Awareness of being in a dream is a, straight up, lucid dream.  If you have that awareness AND you have full (or close to full) waking conscious awareness.

Robert Bruce makes the claim that we slip in both a dream and an OBE (two separate locals) at the same time upon falling to sleep. So there is almost a three-way mind split going on.

Well, Robert Bruce and I disagree on a lot of things. 

I thought the dream sphere is more like a subjective training ground on the astral planes where our Higher Self or Dream Source can instill lessons upon us.

The "dream sphere" as you call it *IS* the astral plane.
This "dream sphere" is where you dream, lucid dream and astral project... it's also known as the imagination and the subconscious. 

[c0sm0nautt]

  hehe... Sometimes trying to conceptualize this stuff makes my head spin. Do you think that we are all ultimately One? If so where do we draw the lines between subjective and objective, self and other?

For instance are the "people" I meet in my dreams part of myself or to some extent external to me? Or a little bit of both?

[Xanth]

hehe... Sometimes trying to conceptualize this stuff makes my head spin.

It can be quite confusing until you get the basics down.

Do you think that we are all ultimately One? If so where do we draw the lines between subjective and objective, self and other?

I do believe, at the very base of our creation, we are one.  The illusion is of being separate due to how we live our lives.  Where is the line between subjective and objective?  Who knows.    lol

For instance are the "people" I meet in my dreams part of myself or to some extent external to me? Or a little bit of both?

This one is actually a bit easier to grasp...
Basically, if, once you're aware enough to realize you're in a dream... if the people you meet have relatively blank expressions and if a doorknob would provide better conversation, then you're in a Focus 2 oC environment (astral) and the people are creations of your own subconscious/imagination.
If the people you meet seem more alive, and they provide conversation that you couldn't possibly come up with on your own... then you're in a Focus 3 oC environment.  These are REAL people. 

[c0sm0nautt]

Hmmm very interesting. Are there many astral environments that resemble water parks?

[Re]

Do you think that we are all ultimately One? If so where do we draw the lines between subjective and objective, self and other?

Think about how, when you decide to do something, there's always something other that motivates you to do so. It can be something someone has said, or a thought that ultimately comes from your environment. Something you have seen or heard. So you decide to do something. This in turn has an effect in your environment that will make others think and act, and those actions and thoughts will end up influencing something else, and so on.

You may think what's going through your mind right now it's you, but in fact if I hadn't written this post you wouldn't be thinking what you're thinking. In fact it is Xanth who made me write this, and whatever motivated you to write your first post has modified my mind and the minds of all the posters even if in a very subtle and insignificant way, forever. Just as a train of thought can shape your personality from within, any exchange, and specially emotional ones, with anyone, will do so too.

So it's just a matter of drawing the line somewhere, but it's just arbitrary. Your thoughts shape you, your bodily sensations too, weather, insects, traffic lights and other people's actions and ultimately their thoughts make you who you are too, unknowingly. It's like the butterfly effect applied to consciousness!

Neurons carry electricity along their bodies, but use chemical reactions to communicate with each other. The fact that I'm using light to convey information from my brain to yours shouldn't make any difference, it's just making the chain longer, but we are in some way part of the same neural network.

[Xanth]

Hmmm very interesting. Are there many astral environments that resemble water parks?

There are as many water parks as you can imagine there to be.  Understand? 

Think about how, when you decide to do something, there's always something other that motivates you to do so. It can be something someone has said, or a thought that ultimately comes from your environment. Something you have seen or heard. So you decide to do something. This in turn has an effect in your environment that will make others think and act, and those actions and thoughts will end up influencing something else, and so on.

You may think what's going through your mind right now it's you, but in fact if I hadn't written this post you wouldn't be thinking what you're thinking. In fact it is Xanth who made me write this, and whatever motivated you to write your first post has modified my mind and the minds of all the posters even if in a very subtle and insignificant way, forever. Just as a train of thought can shape your personality from within, any exchange, and specially emotional ones, with anyone, will do so too.

So it's just a matter of drawing the line somewhere, but it's just arbitrary. Your thoughts shape you, your bodily sensations too, weather, insects, traffic lights and other people's actions and ultimately their thoughts make you who you are too, unknowingly. It's like the butterfly effect applied to consciousness!

Neurons carry electricity along their bodies, but use chemical reactions to communicate with each other. The fact that I'm using light to convey information from my brain to yours shouldn't make any difference, it's just making the chain longer, but we are in some way part of the same neural network.

Re... that is waaaaaaaaaay over-thinking things. 

[justin35ll]

yeah i get that too where i'll be out standing in my driveway and i look up and jump and try and fly, but i'll only get about 10 or 15 feet and then i float back down to the ground.
But then other times i'll go outside and fly down the street without really thinking about it.
I think it has to do with self doubt or something

[Re]

Re... that is waaaaaaaaaay over-thinking things.  

Bu-- But, can't you see it?? You are all part of my mind!! You must be!!!



Well, I wished I could induce intentionally. Not to mention flying!

[c0sm0nautt]

Cool Re, I see what your saying.

Xanth, the reason I ask is that I have many reoccurring dreams dealing with water parks and amusement parks. I met Eckart Tolle at one and he gave me some advise that let lose some emotion in me where I almost cried in the dream. Just wondering what the symbolism is there.

[Xanth]

Cool Re, I see what your saying.

Xanth, the reason I ask is that I have many reoccurring dreams dealing with water parks and amusement parks. I met Eckart Tolle at one and he gave me some advise that let lose some emotion in me where I almost cried in the dream. Just wondering what the symbolism is there.

I see.
You'll have to figure out what the symbolism of the water park is to you.  As it's personal to you.

I'm still on the fence about the whole symbolism in 'dreams' thing anyways.

[Stookie]

I sometimes have recurring dreams of amusement parks and water rides too. Cruise ships as well. I don't know what they mean.

[shineling]

Ya me too... amusement parks and big cruises too.

I was on a cruise on a yacht that belonged to some famouse hollywood directors. You still had to buy your own breakfast though!

Amusement parks too... where they hand out poppers (drugs) like candy. If you don't have a fun time at the park tho, you're singled out and interrogated.

Weird huh?

[c0sm0nautt]

Hehe I'd say