Got there coincidentally and panicked. Wanna go there again

[BranStark]

Hello everyone,
I discovered your site just a few days ago and I have found it extremely helpful. I wanted to find a bigger community of experienced astral travellers who could help me to fully understand sth I went through (guess what it is ) and it seems like I am on the right place.

Let me share my story and thank you very much for any ideas, tips, recommendations... you might have:

Couple of years ago I read an article about AP somewhere and I thought it was the funniest and most ridiculous thing ever. I also heard about it from my friend who claimed to be able to do it. Poor lad, he must be ill, I thought.  Back then I was rather an atheist and had not experienced anything spiritual, not even a LD (none that I could remember, anyway).

But about 2 years ago (I guess it was about summer 2011) I was sleeping in my bed and suddenly realised I was dreaming. Wow, I thought. Almost instantly that AP article came across my mind (I have no idea how I got to think about it, it just happened). It was only such a brief thought, but still... I found myself rising in that horizontal position I was lying in and floating towards the ceiling. From what I know now, it could have been an awesome experience. But instead it was awful, because I also remembered that friend of mine telling me it was dangerous and that one might not be able to return. Guess what, I panicked. And I panicked so bad. I was afraid to open my eyes (I was not able to see, might be I had the eyelids of my etherical body shut?) so I did not. That is also why I am not 100% sure I was away from my body, just 99%. I really felt like I was hovering at the ceiling and if I had opened my eyes (possibly of the etherical body) I could have seen myself lying in bed. But might it also be that I was only close to being in astral but just not there yet? I am asking because from what I have come to understand about AP, you should always be able to see, no matter what, and even all the directions at once. Or is it not so? Thank you for answering this one, especially. But back to the experience. I wanted to go back into my physical body immediatelly and after a moment (no idea how long it was) I was kind of sinking back into it and I found myself fully awake in my body. That is where it really got awful. My body started to spasm fiercely and although awake, I could not open my eyes. It went on for maybe 20 seconds and first when my body calmed down I opened my eyes and got up.

I am quite sure it was so unpleasant because I became so hysterical while in there. Is it right?

This experience changed me quite profoundly. I became convinced that there is sth more to it. I do not recognise myself as a member of any movement or religion (since religion and especially church has nothing in common with real belief and spirituality but rather with making profit, in my opinion, no offense to anyone ) but I am very intrigued by eastern philosophies, mainly buddhism, and am inclined to believe in reincarnation. I practise judo so that might have influenced me in this area, too.  I also have had couple of LDs but no WILDs and I was not able to control them fully. That is probably because I haven't commited myself to learning LDs properly yet. One of them was quite funny, though. I was dreaming and realised it was so and I woke up, not into reality but into yet another dream and I thought it was the reality already. Dream in a dream. Like in the Inception movie. Does it happen to you, too?

BTW: What do you think de ja vu is? Is it sth one sees in a dream and it happens in real world afterwards? I am asking because when I was writing last paragraph I got very very strong de ja vu feeling. I thought I must have written this already, at this very place, on this very computer. But I am also sure I have never written anything like this. Just a thought. 

Back to the topic: I have also started meditating on regular basis. A few times while meditating I felt like spinning around my axis. Awesome feeling. I have read a few theories what it means but what do you guys think.

Ever since that astral experience of mine I described above (my only one so far) I have been afraid to attempt it intentionally. That is mainly because of lot of crap I read on the internet and stuff that my friend-who-can-do-astral-travel told me. You know, demons, attack by entities, danger of getting stuck there... It even got that far that I was afraid to fall asleep for a couple of nights for I feared I would find myself being there in astral, unable to get back.  I also read that it is safe, I did. But since there were 2 quite opposite opinions on the matter I was not sure what to make of it.

Then I found your site. I just think you guys are doing great job explaining things and it has helped me overcome my fears to a great extent. Now I am planning to get rid of it absolutely and start attempting APs. Thank you so much for assuring me that it cannot be dangerous as long as I stay calm. It seems like you all agree on this. Well, that is very helpful to me so I know now how things really are. Thumbs up!

I also came across the work of David Icke. I got the feeling most of you do not agree with conspiracy theories. Nor do I believe in every single thing I read on the internet. But I have been interested in the stuff even before I knew DI's work, done quite a research and am 100% convinced of couple of things (9/11, Big Pharmas...) so lot of what he says makes sense to me. Even that matrix stuff (since I have had that astral experience, otherwise I would have thought him a complete nutter). What I am intersted in: if I wanted to find out, if it really is true about reptilians etc. (about that, I really am not convinced at all, rather a sceptic but I admit there might be sth to it) through astral and if I saw reptilians there, would I know that I saw them only because I expected to or that they really were there. Could I tell the difference? And could it, in this specific case, indeed be dangerous if I met a true reptilian, alien or whaever?

Do not take me wrong. I do not want to AP just to confirm or debunk conspiracy theories. Spiritual development is my goal (that is why I do meditation, too) but it would be intersting to look into these things in astral, I reckon.

Thumbs up if you managed to read the whole post and thanks for any reply.

[Szaxx]

This may explain some of the symptoms you experienced. Its a valuable read. There's many an experience where a dream can be seen later in life, some of us have had this ability for many years. 
If you want to learn about the experiences in person you need only to be dedicated andthis can be a reality for you.
Have a read and see what you think, you're welcome to join in if you wish.
Start from the top, the rest is up to you.

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/destynee-s-plan-f65.html

[Volgerle]

As for Icke, I just yesterday posted a link to his new TV station about a show on AP / Lucid Dreaming.

I do not agree with everything he says (esp. some of his negative theories) but on the other hand I like some of his approaches on the nature of reality and this world, also from a spiritual PoV.

[BranStark]

Thank you for your replies.
Szaxx: I have had a look at the forum you have posted link to and I think it is very kind of you, guys, to help people this way. I am going to join in and will be very grateful for  any answers to my questions. I guess I will just write a similar introduction like here, although I have to set it straight a little bit. In my first post to this forum I  mixed up a lot of different things together which was not very wise, I can see. Therefore, I won't mess things up with Icke and so on in there and instead will focus on the main point I am interested in: self-development through learning to AP. That is why I signed for this forum in the first place, anyway. Apparently, the other forum is better-suited just for that. Do I get it right, Szaxx? And thank you once more for the great job you are doing with this.

As for Mr. Icke: I am fonder of conspiracy theories than most of you here seem to be but I am certainly not any die-hard fan of them. I look into them every now and then to see "the other side of the Moon." I am no sheep and no blind follower of the government (recent cases with Snowden, Manning etc. would have me right) so I always like to see what others (unofficial sources) have to say. It doesn't mean I believe everything anti-mainstream: I always ponder both sides and come to my own opinion from that. I think the truth is worth knowing since the truth is freedom, in a sense. There are theories I am quite sure are true (9/11, Big pharma conspiracy against alternative medicine, spiritual things...) - of tha latter two I have seen a proof for myself (that OBE I have had and also effect of alternative medicine and even energy/reiki healing on myself), otherwise I wouldn't have come to this place, would I? . Then there are theories plausible to me (puppet governments etc.) and others that I think are totally crap (chemtrails for instance, or one of the brand new ones: Paul Walker shot by a drone).

So don't consider me a conspiracy-nutter.

Why did I mention Icke. Well, I came across his work  only recently so the impression is still fresh and, like Volgerle, I was intrigued by his idea of a matrix and perceiving the larger reality. (Unlike you, though, I don't think he is being negative. In my opinion, it is only an missinterpretation of his message. If I listened only to 3 parts of his "Lion sleeps no more" lecture, I would think the same as you. But in the last part, he sets everything into a  very positive light.) So I wanted to know what you think of his reptilian theory: if you have ever seen something, while in astral or in physical reality, that would either support or disclaim it. So have you?

I just did the mistake of writing about it and about my OBE experience, which was the main point, in the same thread, and it might have confused the matter a little bit. Now that it is settled and I will focus on my main questions on that Destynee's plan, I still have this hypothetical question for you (I am just being curious what you think): If I used AP for validating Icke's theory and indeed found a reptilian out there, would I be able tell my imagination from reality? And if it was a real reptilian out there, would I be still safe (since you cannot be harmed in astral) or could they hurt me somehow (maybe even by locating my physical body and afterwards doing something to me)?

I remind you once more: I am rather sceptical about reptilians and my primary focus with learning to AP is self-development, but still... I wanted to look into it one day, I want to be sure what I am doing.

BTW: Thanks for the link, Volgerle, much appreciated.

[Astralzombie]

A few great travelers have already given us the best remedy to conquer our fears. That is to make up your mind right now if you can handle the consequences of the worse case scenario in exchange for the "truth"...but it will only be your truth (I know, everyone hates hearing that). The great thing is that you can't really expect anything more than that. Your new beliefs will resonate with you better because they will be based on your own experience instead of just being told what to believe. Even if you are later convinced that this really is just a bunch of manure, at least it will be your own experience and you should be content with that.

In our current supposed timeline, there have been an estimated 150 billion people whom have been born and died already. I guarantee you that they didn't all live to be a 100. Not one managed to convince the world of a definitive afterlife so don't be disappointed if you can only learn the truth for yourself.

I hope you decide to work through this fear and see for yourself.

[Szaxx]

Hi BranStark, welcome to the Pulse.
Destinys' plan is the best place to learn at present and I see you have joined in.
Your fears must be confronted and removed, this is one of the first things to sort.
The reptilians and more will be something you'll soon find out about if you have the dedication required.
You will have your own answers and the truth first hand.
Exciting stuff...

[BranStark]

I hope you decide to work through this fear and see for yourself.

That is exactly what I am intending to do.

[BranStark]

Hi BranStark, welcome to the Pulse.
Destinys' plan is the best place to learn at present and I see you have joined in.
Your fears must be confronted and removed, this is one of the first things to sort.
The reptilians and more will be something you'll soon find out about if you have the dedication required.
You will have your own answers and the truth first hand.
Exciting stuff...

I can already see that I am not so fearful toward AP anymore, partially thanks to this forum . But I guess I can get rid of it absolutely only while finally being there.

I just hope no reptilians noticed this thread who could silence me before I confirm their existence in AP and reveal it to the world... just kidding, really.

[Szaxx]

Reptilians, ROFL.
You may find some giant snakes if youre lucky. Reptilian Star-trek type characters must avoid me if they're as common as reported about.
Unless Im one and badass too.
There's another good reason to learn the art, a new game, spot the reptilian.

[BranStark]

Reptilians, ROFL.
You may find some giant snakes if youre lucky. Reptilian Star-trek type characters must avoid me if they're as common as reported about.
Unless Im one and badass too.
There's another good reason to learn the art, a new game, spot the reptilian.

I shall see for myself. I have been getting closer with my practise lately (I am going to write about that in the Destynee plan topic in a few days and some feedback would be helpful ) and I am looking forward to explore about the nature of reality. I thought it might be intersting to look into this dubious yet intersting theory as well (but surely I am no die hard fan of this and it wouldn't be the first thing I would do). But you make a very good point. If indeed they are so common, then you or some other member of this forum who is an experienced traveller, would be likely to encounter them. It seems like none of you have, though.

Unless you are indeed in league with them and just feeding me disinfo. Shame on you, nasty lizzards.

[Re]

I shall see for myself. I have been getting closer with my practise lately (I am going to write about that in the Destynee plan topic in a few days and some feedback would be helpful ) and I am looking forward to explore about the nature of reality. I thought it might be intersting to look into this dubious yet intersting theory as well (but surely I am no die hard fan of this and it wouldn't be the first thing I would do). But you make a very good point. If indeed they are so common, then you or some other member of this forum who is an experienced traveller, would be likely to encounter them. It seems like none of you have, though.

Unless you are indeed in league with them and just feeding me disinfo. Shame on you, nasty lizzards.

I have never seen these "reptilians" you talk about. In fact, this is the first time I hear of such a thing, and perhaps that's precisely why I have encountered none. See where I'm going with this?

And by the way, I'm an atheist. You don't need to believe deities (or a deity) exist in order to believe reality extends further, specially if faith has nothing to do with it, but rather first-hand evidence. But in any case, what is a god anyway?

[BranStark]

I have never seen these "reptilians" you talk about. In fact, this is the first time I hear of such a thing, and perhaps that's precisely why I have encountered none. See where I'm going with this?

And by the way, I'm an atheist. You don't need to believe deities (or a deity) exist in order to believe reality extends further, specially if faith has nothing to do with it, but rather first-hand evidence. But in any case, what is a god anyway?

Yeah, I see your point

If you go with the exact definition of who an atheist is, then you are indeed one. Like you I don't think God is a person/diety or something like that. But atheist is also a commonly used label for person who denies the existence of any other reality than the physical one he or she is living in. And that is what I ceased to be.