heard you on art bell have a question

[Bhikku]

I heard you on Art Bell as well Robert and you were great! Not to detract from Ladyofloves question, but I had a comment about the show. I have yet to read your books, but that story about your possesion was quite disturbing to me, although quite interesting. I just feel that too much time was used up telling such a disturbing story (the fault of Art, not you) and it may have turned many people away from Astral projection. I understand that story is an important truth that one should realize about projecting, but do you feel that your time speaking to the world could have been in a bit more of a positive light? Again, I realize that Art was running the show there, and not leaving much for you to discern for yourself to talk about. Thanks Robert, and excuse me Ladyoflight.

"Look within, thou art the Budda"

[Adrian]

I have yet to hear the show archive yet - really looking forward to that

However, to comment on postings above:

Regarding duration, Robert might well have been referring to (although I don't know), about the duration of "real time zone" projections in the physical buffer zone, where sustainable projections require significant energy to maintain.

Regarding the possession issue - if people found it disturbing it is no bad thing in my view. Demons and bad Spirits exist as well as the Angels and good Spirits which people are hoping to encounter. These things have to be done in full knowledge of the risks as well as the benefits, otherwise you are leaving yourself wide open to an attack or a possession. I have no idea what the "New Age" view is on this.

I am very much looking forward to Robert's forthcoming book - Psychic Self Defense - it should prove to be a valuable comliment to AD.

Adrian.

[manfred]

Hi there,

it is my first post here.
Well he said most...means not all. This also means that from time to time he can go longer.

I myself have them up to three hours sometimes.



Manfred
http://www.astralsociety.com/
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

[monicat777]

I heard the Art Bell show last night and I was wondering about creatures and things. You commented that sometimes demensional beings or creatures will present themselves at the beginning of obe maybe standing by your bed.  Is this common? Why do they come then? Are they meant to deterr you? What are they? Mine in particular was a grey skeletal googley guy short with little horns standing right by my bed right before the point of sleep(for me the beginning of obe is at that point) It was quite scary and i wanna know what he was up to or where he came from...was NOT DREAMING!
ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!! thanks

[MJ-12]

ss

[manfred]

It could be alot of things...It could be your own fear could attract other dimensional beings with a negative attitude.
It could be you yourself affraid to project....so the beings couild be parts of you also.

I once met a green guy but he was friendly...I was not scared at all.

Please bare in mind two things:
If they are negative don't join them, they are mostly stupid thinking of destructive things to others.

Do not go for the way they look they may look different doesn't mean automatically they have bad intent. Please....think of me and my advice lol

Ok well happy exploring whereever it is you are going.

Regards,
Manfred



Manfred
http://www.astralsociety.com/
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

[monicat777]

to:manfred

    I know this particular "thing" was there completely to mess with me.  It just bothered me because it was without my consent and normally obe is a smooth ride for me. I don't fear obe because it's always seemed quite natural.  How do you ground yourself to not become  distracted by things like this? I can't picture myself saying somthing like "back off I'm busy..." without losing it completely. It's not been somthing I've had to control, it's just happened and that's that. I totally enjoy it, but I don't want to have to try or work at it. When I do try it seems to occur even less.  I guess what I'm asking now is there a safe gaurd against this type of thing or will I have to start being more pragmatic about my psychic abilities as opposed to letting it happen naturally as it always has, due to these little visitors?
                       ANYONE?

[Salubri]

Hi there,

About the 'Dweller' awaiting at an OBE,.. Robert said a while ago that it is a possibility that these beings are some kind of test to see if you are ready for conscious obe. If you truly are you just go on with the obe without getting disturbed. Another possibility is what you say.. They are there to scare you away from projecting.. Once projected you can hurt these beings very easily, thats probably why they dissapear quickly from your exit.

To Ladyoflove, I would suggest reading the articels on Roberts site, www.astraldynamics.com. Here he describes a few very special obe's including one realm where he saw spirits being tended to before their departure to the next realm. In here he describes obe's of very long times.. I think Robert was talking about new projectors being able to project shortly, once you're doing it for 25 years... you're getting longer and longer projections... But this depends on your internal energy reserves to.. A lot of the tips Bruce has about these things are on the internet site too.. Including the way to raise your energy reserves.

I have no experience in obe yet myself, im still practicing. But I thought you might like this information.

Goodluck,
Salubri

[iamacavemen]

quote:
On the Art Bell show you said that most obes run around 20 minutes. Well I have been doing obes and remote views for over 25 years. An I can do it for hours. But that is not my question Robert also on the show you said something about making a place that can test and learn more about it would be interested in learning more about this. By the way I agreed with most of what you said but just use different ways of doing things. An yes walking through water and reflective substances can take you to many different worlds.
Have one more question from a fellow traveller to another have you ever gone to the level of broken spirits. Please if you can reply Robert I would greatly appreciate it.

/////
  hi .... 21 yrs ago .....i golden being came to woke me up and hug me show it self to me walk away like a GOD golden being !!!

love.....love.....love....

[manfred]

quote: I know this particular "thing" was there completely to mess with me. It just bothered me because it was without my consent and normally obe is a smooth ride for me. I don't fear obe because it's always seemed quite natural. How do you ground yourself to not become distracted by things like this? I can't picture myself saying somthing like "back off I'm busy..." without losing it completely. It's not been somthing I've had to control, it's just happened and that's that. I totally enjoy it, but I don't want to have to try or work at it. When I do try it seems to occur even less. I guess what I'm asking now is there a safe gaurd against this type of thing or will I have to start being more pragmatic about my psychic abilities as opposed to letting it happen naturally as it always has, due to these little visitors?
ANYONE?

U just gonna learn that. Learn how to say: stay away from me without losing. Be patient. I wish I could learn you more but I dont know how to.

Regards,
Manfred

Manfred
http://www.astralsociety.com/
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

[Violet]

quote:
On the Art Bell show you said that most obes run around 20 minutes. Well I have been doing obes and remote views for over 25 years. An I can do it for hours. But that is not my question Robert also on the show you said something about making a place that can test and learn more about it would be interested in learning more about this. By the way I agreed with most of what you said but just use different ways of doing things. An yes walking through water and reflective substances can take you to many different worlds.
Have one more question from a fellow traveller to another have you ever gone to the level of broken spirits. Please if you can reply Robert I would greatly appreciate it.

Dear Ladyoflove,

I have not been to the level of broken spirits.  But since you project for long periods of time I assume you have a very strong connection to your higher self and a very strong flow of energy from the source and thus have had many projections into the Absolute Light.  I am able to remember most projections except when I go into the White Light at the speed of light and then sometimes I am able to hold on to consciousness long enough to see hundreds of ancient symbols floating by. Have you seen these same ancient symbols. One symbol per flat stone. Do you know what they are?  I sometimes awake to see them in the middle of night and one time I heard my guardian say "Do you understand?" And I answered "Yes" and then my conscious mind said "Hey wait a minute I don't" and the symbols were gone.  So I know I am learning something that my conscious mind is not retaining.

Best Regards,
Violet

[Violet]

Dear Monicat777

Have you ever read any of Rudolf Steiner's work?  This may just be your guardian of the threshold.  If you do a search on the internet typing in "Guardian of the Threshold" in to your search engine (remember to put the "" around it) you can read about this. After reading this you will know better.  It is hard for me to know from a brief description.

Alternatively it could be you are leaking a lot of auric energy that is easy to feed off of.  The entity may just have been getting a free lunch no great harm to you if you are leaking it anyways. You just do not want entities latching on. Do you see it often?  It is very hard to say for sure what it is without more details.  What is the energy it puts out?  Does it scare you or are you just startled?  If its energy is not negative and you are just startled ask it what it is.  You will get an answer.  Sometimes not right away but you will get an answer.  If it feels negative then don't ask questions...follow Robert's suggestions. It is very helpful to be very secure in yourself and fear absolutely nothing just take precautions that is all.  I use to get scared of these things.  I found taking a nice shower helpful back then.  If you suspect you are leaking auric energy you may be interested in getting any of Barbara Ann Brennan's books.  She has really great healing books on this topic.  

Please note that there are many ways to rid yourself of these problem entities.  My personal favorite is to raise my vibration rate to very very high levels.  These entities do not like very high vibration energy.  How do you easily achieve this?  The easiest way that works for me is to visualize myself in a place of absolute light and even way better that I am standing before God with the Cheribum singing all around.  The speed at which you reach a high vibration is phenomenal I then send this love energy towards the being.  Usually though by the time I get to that point they are already gone though.  I posted a reply to Blue Light Mystic in the psychic defense folder explaining my first experiences with this and why I think it is particularly effective.

Very Best Regards,
Violet




Edited by - Violet on 23 February 2002  05:01:15

Edited by - Violet on 23 February 2002  05:04:14

[taom]

Just want to comfort those new to astral projection regarding possession..... I have APed over 500 times at least and have been in many realms from high to low.... no possession every took place..... my higher self or sprit guide did directly communicate with me and since then I have simply asked for protection whilst APing....... we all have our higher selves and all you need to do is ask... that's it... don't let fear control your experiences.... be calm and enjoy the experience wherever it takes you.....
peace...

[ladyoflove]

Have one more question from a fellow traveller to another have you ever gone to the level of broken spirits. Please if you can reply Robert I would greatly appreciate it.

Dear Ladyoflove,

I have not been to the level of broken spirits.  But since you project for long periods of time I assume you have a very strong connection to your higher self and a very strong flow of energy from the source and thus have had many projections into the Absolute Light.  I am able to remember most projections except when I go into the White Light at the speed of light and then sometimes I am able to hold on to consciousness long enough to see hundreds of ancient symbols floating by. Have you seen these same ancient symbols. One symbol per flat stone. Do you know what they are?  I sometimes awake to see them in the middle of night and one time I heard my guardian say "Do you understand?" And I answered "Yes" and then my conscious mind said "Hey wait a minute I don't" and the symbols were gone.  So I know I am learning something that my conscious mind is not retaining.

Best Regards,
Violet
[/quote]


Violet those symbols I have seen myself and have had  to learn a new way to bring the superconscious and subconscious back to the conscious mind.  Sounds like you saw the ancient writing symbols and yes your spiritual mind understood and took all of it in but when your editing and conscius mind went through it it decided because of old training from society and the such that it said no way I am not going to accept it and sent it back to the subconscious and super conscious. Its hard to get past these two blocks. But once past them your dreams become more real your obes become more colorful and more energized. I hope this has helped you

Blessings of love fall upon you and yours

[ladyoflove]

quote:
Hi there,

it is my first post here.
Well he said most...means not all. This also means that from time to time he can go longer.

I myself have them up to three hours sometimes.



Manfred
http://www.astralsociety.com/
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

Okay have a question for thee have you ever channelled for a day?

Blessings of love fall upon you and yours

[ladyoflove]

quote:
I heard you on Art Bell as well Robert and you were great! Not to detract from Ladyofloves question, but I had a comment about the show. I have yet to read your books, but that story about your possesion was quite disturbing to me, although quite interesting. I just feel that too much time was used up telling such a disturbing story (the fault of Art, not you) and it may have turned many people away from Astral projection. I understand that story is an important truth that one should realize about projecting, but do you feel that your time speaking to the world could have been in a bit more of a positive light? Again, I realize that Art was running the show there, and not leaving much for you to discern for yourself to talk about. Thanks Robert, and excuse me Ladyoflight.

"Look within, thou art the Budda"

Did ot detract from my question oly brought up something that was bothering you and glad you did. It seems that through no fault of Roberts or Arts people always want to hear the negative things. Look at the papers look at the tv. Only recently have i seen the american tv and that made me sick like you felt with this part of Roberts live being shared. I am sure that Robert would rather have not talked about it and talked more about his books and other things. But till we can get people to stop demanding blood and gore and hate we have a problem not telling the negative side of things.

Blessings of love fall upon you and yours

[ladyoflove]

quote:
I heard the Art Bell show last night and I was wondering about creatures and things. You commented that sometimes demensional beings or creatures will present themselves at the beginning of obe maybe standing by your bed.  Is this common? Why do they come then? Are they meant to deterr you? What are they? Mine in particular was a grey skeletal googley guy short with little horns standing right by my bed right before the point of sleep(for me the beginning of obe is at that point) It was quite scary and i wanna know what he was up to or where he came from...was NOT DREAMING!
ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!! thanks

Monica please don't take this the wrong way because i do think you had a right to have the fear you had. But don't let it deter you some discordants are there just to put the fear in us so we don't see whats on the other side of the viel. But I also have to warn you something that not all entities are bad and discordants I get the strongest feeling that your guardian angel guide was there but you only saw this creature and not your angel. Remember this that when a discordant appears the angel is right beside him you just have to get past the fear to see the loving angels eyes

Blessings of love fall upon you and yours

[manfred]

quote:Okay have a question for thee have you ever channelled for a day?

Nope never.



Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

[Robert Bruce]

G'day Folks!

First, as to visiting realms of broken spirits and etc, I'd like to point out that such places do not have signs reflecting particular names, but are highly fluid and subjective environments.

But yes, I've probably been there many times, if these relate to astral rest areas and astral type hospitals.

Most novice projectors can only hold themselves close to Real Time for a couple of minutes.  They may still think they are in reality, but their copy of reality is fluctuating and actual real time objectivity slips unnoticed away. They may think they stay in real time for the whole obe, but in actual fact they are in a more subjective copy.  A good example came my way a couple of days ago, when a guy made a full obe exit and then left the room via his window, and found himself in his mother's back yard, many miles away. He also seemed to have gone back in time.

However, this is not a simple issue.  Some projectors, like Sylvan Muldoon (early author on OBE) find themselves stuck in real time always. I had the same problem for a couple of years, till I found my way into the astral and etc.

The above shows just how difficult it is to scientifically prove the objective nature of real time obe.

As for duration of OBE, well yes, some people can stay out longer than others.  But, considering that astral time is very flexible, and that a whole day may seem to pass in some astral realms while only a few minutes pass in the real world, this is difficult to ascertain. The only fair way to validate this is to make a wake induced obe exit, and then finish with a wake induced reentry, and then sit up and check the time and write down the experience.  

But I rarely hear of projectors making a deliberate reentry after an obe.  This does happen occasionally, of course, but its not common. This is especially so with people who project from their beds.  A chair or some kind of sitting position is much more reliable for reentry purposes, and for the exit of course.

If a person stays out of body for longer than say thirty minutes, their physical body and mind enter deep sleep mode, from which sometimes even a good physical shaking will not wake them.  At such a time, the dream mind is also fully active, compounding matters enormously.  If a projector returns to their body after it enters deep sleep, they usually cannot reenter and reanimate it, and often have to wait for an alarm clock to go off or etc to accomplish reentry, and then reentry is not really reentry but a natural waking up.

The only way I know of to get around the above problem is to project from a sitting position while in full, stable trance.  In this state, the physical body mind goes to sleep, but the etheric mind stays awake and functional.  This is basically what happens during trance meditation.  Only then can extended OBE exploration take place.  

Now, again its not that simple.  You also have to allow for natural ability and other peculiarities. Its very difficult to come up with a global model on OBE that has any consistency.    

For example, some people have very strong natural shadow memory download abilities. Such people tend to remember most of their dreams, and most of their OBE's.  Such a person may remember very lengthy OBE experiences indeed.

You also have to consider the dream mind's involvement in many OBE's.  For example, many people will be dreaming, thinking they are in real life, even thinking they are still in bed trying for an OBE attempt, while they have actually fallen asleep and are continuing their efforts in the dream state.  During this time, a true projection takes place, and the dream body/mind experience vibrations, rapid heartbeat, etc, and feel themselves separating from what they believe is their physical body.  They may then have a spectacular OBE.  Now, they may either wake up with this memory during the night, or the next morning, and believe they have had an OBE, while in fact the aspect of mind they remember having this was the dream mind and not the projected double.

And further to this, some people will develop a 'skill' of having such dream copies of OBES, and thus believe they have obe ability.  But this is as good a way as any for reaching subtle dimensional states.

Confusing,  ja?

There are also many different types and levels of projection possible, that I have only barely explored, ie, Remote Eye Projection, kundalini projection, and a type of OBE I only suspect that may be the equal of WILD lucid dreaming.


This is why the OBE phenomena will never be understood from the analysis of many case histories, which is how 99% of OBE study is carried out today. There are way too many variables and only a disciplined firsthand approach really works.


Take care, Robert.

[manfred]

The mind is confused but the soul understands not Robert

Quote by Buddha

Regards,
Manfred

Manfred
http://www.astraltravellers.com/

[ladyoflove]

On the Art Bell show you said that most obes run around 20 minutes. Well I have been doing obes and remote views for over 25 years. An I can do it for hours. But that is not my question Robert also on the show you said something about making a place that can test and learn more about it would be interested in learning more about this. By the way I agreed with most of what you said but just use different ways of doing things. An yes walking through water and reflective substances can take you to many different worlds.
Have one more question from a fellow traveller to another have you ever gone to the level of broken spirits. Please if you can reply Robert I would greatly appreciate it.